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haq aan
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Posted - 2006.06.24 17:53:00 -
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Now Hawk got its missed (?!) missile hardpoints,its shield hitpoints increase and takes its place in the AF line ..Well , a little bit passed the line and may be considered as the uber frig serial killer. Let me explain. Hawk : 4 missile 2 turret HP 180 cpu 42 pow grid 2 low 4 med 5 high
and 831 shield !
well actually,..a smart Hawk pilot d fit 1 med Shield extender II + 1 small shield booster II + 4 standard missile T II with only 1 MAPC. And can play the rest empty slots whatever he like. Which ll gives u over 2000 shield with 4 t2 missiles..and insane range and dmg output.Do the detailed math yourself..coz i dont care what u fit the rest. Pls lets be honest for a minute and ,think what this ship can do to its counterparts. If u r a frig pilot,..just find yourself a Hawk pilot , who is specialized in small missiles,and make a pvp test with him in your any frig class ship.. This is not a fitting topic,..and i do not wanna hear ' ECM owns ' comments..or ' have u ever flied a Hawk ' ..
!!! And more important of this : Lets ignore its uberness for a second. Every race has 2 AF. and 1 of em is a gun platform which can fit 4 guns from the same type. i.e : Wolf , Retribution , Enyo , HARPY ! But now Caldari has 2 AF s with 4 hardpoints each..! For all the whinnings,..complains ,and yells now we ve the Uber wtfpwn machine ever in the frigate class.
My suggestion is : Drop Hawks missile hardpoints to 3 , or : Make hawks layout 2 missile 2 turret, and add 4 missile hardpoints to Harpy. which ll make her a platform for both gun types. which d really make sense about the balance between races.
Please forgive my spelling ,..but i know u all got the point!
haq aan
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.06.24 17:59:00 -
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Hawk is fine as it is. It is a crap AF. No need to nerf it into pure junk. ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
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Karsus Maim
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Posted - 2006.06.24 18:09:00 -
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Edited by: Karsus Maim on 24/06/2006 18:09:08 it's average to slightly above at best, and think its fairly well balanced.
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kharon khala
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Posted - 2006.06.24 18:14:00 -
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a typical answer from a caldari /emotes a dull face : its avarage to slightly aboove at best and think its FAİİİRRLY WELLL balanced? ok lets add moa 6 missile slots and lets get over done with it... and yea! they may want to fit 8 cruise missiles to their new tier 3 hybrid battleships so devs please add 8 missile slots to that ship too. Yeah who cares if they can use hybrids...f@@k harpy right?...and yea caldari doesnt uses their armor lets reduce armor to 1 and shield to 1300 to hawk..yea that sounds good...AND lets add another med slot couse 4 missile slots in an af isnt uber enough.DAMN!
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.06.24 18:17:00 -
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Originally by: kharon khala a typical answer from a caldari /emotes a dull face : its avarage to slightly aboove at best and think its FAİİİRRLY WELLL balanced? ok lets add moa 6 missile slots and lets get over done with it... and yea! they may want to fit 8 cruise missiles to their new tier 3 hybrid battleships so devs please add 8 missile slots to that ship too. Yeah who cares if they can use hybrids...f@@k harpy right?...and yea caldari doesnt uses their armor lets reduce armor to 1 and shield to 1300 to hawk..yea that sounds good...AND lets add another med slot couse 4 missile slots in an af isnt uber enough.DAMN!
Fly Hawk then come back and comment please. ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
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kharon khala
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Posted - 2006.06.24 18:21:00 -
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Edited by: kharon khala on 24/06/2006 18:22:23 i have right to leave a comment anywhere i like dear lady.and its math...numbers i am talking bout.
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.06.24 18:29:00 -
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Originally by: kharon khala Edited by: kharon khala on 24/06/2006 18:22:23 i have right to leave a comment anywhere i like dear lady.and its math...numbers i am talking bout.
Fine. Feel free to comment. Just remember that not everything is theoreVe. ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
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madaluap
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Posted - 2006.06.24 18:30:00 -
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Edited by: madaluap on 24/06/2006 18:30:35 Look you can discuss this the entire day, it wont change the fact that my ishkur will kill your hawk any day.
Light missile damage isnt that hax _________________________________________________
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FFGR
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Posted - 2006.06.24 18:31:00 -
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Damage is fine at the Hawk. If any, it's not good (but it has a very very good range and a good tank for a tradeoff).
Each race has 1 "pure" ship and a "mix" (secondary racial trait) one.
Gallente have Enyo as pure (many turrets, good damage) and Ishkur (frig sized drone, AKA small pwnmobile as it has proven after the drone changes). Amarr have Retribution (tankage!) and Vengeance (the usual Khanid ship with no point, they need a redesign ) Minmatar have Wolf (DAMAAAAGE) and Jaguar (a VERY fast AF). Caldari have Harpy (rail platform) and Hawk (after the revamp it's a msl boat).
Jaguar can also have 2k shields as it has been pointed out at another thread, while it has a very good speed and good damage potential.
And actually I don't think that t2 standards are any good on the Hawk. It is better off with javelin rockets (you will be slower than a freighter though ) due to pg and cpu problems.
I haven't seen one yet in PvP, but I don't think that it will be imba or bad. It will be decent.
BTW : Boost enyo ! _____________________________
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haq aan
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Posted - 2006.06.24 18:41:00 -
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Originally by: FFGR Each race has 1 "pure" ship and a "mix" (secondary racial trait) one.
Its not like that anymore ...Thats the main reason for this topic. Hawk and Harpy have the same slot layout..and 4 hardpoints each. They had the longest range sniper frig with Harpy as a gun platform...and now have the Missile ver.0.1 of the same ship,..same layout,..
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FFGR
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Posted - 2006.06.24 18:48:00 -
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Yea, but what else do you want them to be ? I think an EW AF would be WAY too powerful. It has to mix up with each races traits. Making half-assed 50-50 ships is deff not the way to go, noone likes these and nobody will fly them.
Amarr have tank and (dunno find this yourself or ask the devs about the second one that damn ship has no identity). Gallente have drones and turrets/damage. Minnies are speed and max damage (the new damage multiplier on the Wolf is 4tw, too bad it lost the optimal though). Caldari are turrets and missiles. _____________________________
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.06.24 18:56:00 -
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I would love to ransom a Hawk pilot these days... --- The Eve Wiki Community Portal | Eve Tribune |
Nebuli
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Posted - 2006.06.24 19:00:00 -
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Originally by: madaluap Edited by: madaluap on 24/06/2006 18:30:35 Look you can discuss this the entire day, it wont change the fact that my ishkur will kill your hawk any day.
Light missile damage isnt that hax
Indeed, nothing wrong with Hawk at all, why do people have to moan all the time about problems that dont exist.
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Novarei
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Posted - 2006.06.24 19:00:00 -
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anyone got any of those funky spreadsheets or graphs with theoretical AF dps? Would be interestin to see, i can see the hawk being lots of fun, i love my ishkurs though :)
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2006.06.24 19:05:00 -
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At the OP if you are going to make dumb posts filled with misleading ideas at least do us a favor and use proper English.
I know nothing changes my opinions like a ranting loon in too much of a hurry to write out "because."
Wherever you went - here you are.
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Frakri Hogsto
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Posted - 2006.06.24 19:08:00 -
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this must be an alt of the dude who posted nerf raven tread,
both are totaly clueless
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Grimpak
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Posted - 2006.06.24 19:09:00 -
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Originally by: Nebuli
Originally by: madaluap Edited by: madaluap on 24/06/2006 18:30:35 Look you can discuss this the entire day, it wont change the fact that my ishkur will kill your hawk any day.
Light missile damage isnt that hax
Indeed, nothing wrong with Hawk at all, why do people have to moan all the time about problems that dont exist.
it's the way human's are -------
Originally by: Abdalion
Originally by: Jebidus Skari What, in EVE, is a Tyrant?
Me. Especially when it comes to troll threads.
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Doc Pinkster
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Posted - 2006.06.24 19:57:00 -
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the hawk is okay - it really is... Harpy is still better and I got lv3ish gunnery skills... Hawk got a very nice role, a bit worse fitting than Harpy but it's definately not the killer people think it is... besides anybody can do the same with a caracal with low skills (At least almost)
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Akiman
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Posted - 2006.06.24 20:07:00 -
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Edited by: Akiman on 24/06/2006 20:07:56 First a ship was appeared from the anvil of caldari...for a time it was good then nobody used it becouse there was a better ship..for a time it was good...then people demanded a boost to that ship and then boost was granted for a time it was good but they couldnt fit it properly...for a time it will be good...
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Crellion
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Posted - 2006.06.24 20:22:00 -
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The only problem with the Hawk is that without a 60 mill SB it will probably die to a good ceptor (on the standard missles set up the OP gives as "uber"). Then again it can fit precisions and beat a solo ceptor (beat = make it run away) and die to everything else including a Ganka-Covetor....
Yeah nerf teh Hawk.
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Jarra Wixx
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Posted - 2006.06.24 22:02:00 -
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Fine, fine. Have it your way, in order to avoid the same slot layout as the harpy, let's just convince Tux to drop that shiney new high slot down to a mid slot. Would that make you happy?
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.06.24 22:04:00 -
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Sounds like the perfect counter to missile crows tbh.
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.06.24 22:23:00 -
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Originally by: Nebuli
Originally by: madaluap Edited by: madaluap on 24/06/2006 18:30:35 Look you can discuss this the entire day, it wont change the fact that my ishkur will kill your hawk any day.
Light missile damage isnt that hax
Indeed, nothing wrong with Hawk at all, why do people have to moan all the time about problems that dont exist.
Yea. The REAL problem is the setup I want to use is 0.12 grid short. GAH!
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.06.24 22:24:00 -
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The damage output sucks tyvm.
please check that before posting "insane range and dmg output.Do the detailed math yourself..coz i dont care what u fit the rest."
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Grey Area
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Posted - 2006.06.24 22:47:00 -
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I've been waiting for the Hawk mod for ages...a missile based T2 frigate. Why? So I can scan for Talocan artifacts in the spawn in Okkelen that only allows frig sized ships in. Harpy was okay, but had to fit 2 x rails and 2 x blasters for the NPC interceptors. No missile ship of that size had the Tech II type shield resists, and the spawn rate in these places is a bit extreme.
All I need to do now is be able to afford one! I wish I'd bought one before the changes - no way I'm paying 40 mill for it!
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Leon 026
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Posted - 2006.06.25 00:11:00 -
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Question is, try not flying one, but try fitting one.
4 launchers is all well and good, but now its a fitting nightmare. -------------------------------
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Stormhold
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Posted - 2006.06.25 00:40:00 -
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Hawk is way overhyped. The dps with standard missiles is pretty crappy, and rockets, well, they're rockets. People mostly whine about std missiles anyway.
Most of the cases where t2 std missiles can fry your interceptor a harpy with t2 rails could've done the same.
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Akiman
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Posted - 2006.06.25 01:20:00 -
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Originally by: Stormhold
Most of the cases where t2 std missiles can fry your interceptor a harpy with t2 rails could've done the same.
so whats the point? did u get it?
and dont forget missiles always hit.
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Rexthor Hammerfists
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Posted - 2006.06.25 01:45:00 -
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missiles always hit,
from 0.9 dmg upwards - Purple Conquered The World, We the Universe.
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Stormhold
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Posted - 2006.06.25 13:19:00 -
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Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists missiles always hit,
from 0.9 dmg upwards
Yup. Smaller rails however track fast enough in most cases. The thing is that hawk dps is not good, it is by far not imbalanced. It's a good AF, but seriously there's no way you can say it's imbalanced.
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