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Mnengli Noiliffe
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Posted - 2006.06.26 02:46:00 -
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Edited by: Mnengli Noiliffe on 26/06/2006 02:49:46
I mean, it looks like all the offers except for
- gift for things to come
- connections books
- ships for tags
are removed from the offer table.
Please if you had any other offers since patch then report here...
If that's true, I wonder where do one gets those +5% implants from now. And what the hell am I supposed to do with all those elite drone ais?
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Acceber Reuabnehel
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Posted - 2006.06.26 05:32:00 -
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Been receiving >ALOT< of the offers for Mining Crystals... Actually I think the last 6 offers I've received (using 2 accounts) have been for mining crystals.
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jonies
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Posted - 2006.06.26 06:03:00 -
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For the last 2 months (includes today) I have only recieved implant offers. I beginning to think that the offers are broken. 2 months worth of implant offers is starting to **** me off. I don't know if its just bad luck or my agent (Caldari Navy lvl 4). Would be nice if CCP would put a little variation on the offers. Once you hit 200k lp your offers are limited to maybe 3-4 different ones. Why not offer some of those really rare implants, officer mods. If something isn't done I expect alot of people to stop doing missions.
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Fuujin
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Posted - 2006.06.26 06:44:00 -
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I'm certainly not complaining about getting 2 skill book offers these past few days.
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Hoshi Takasu
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Posted - 2006.06.26 07:01:00 -
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Offers arent broken, theyre random 
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Ralitge boyter
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Posted - 2006.06.26 08:35:00 -
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I have only been seeing the: "Crazed commander" offer, 2 times a day everyday, since the patch no mather how much points I have I have been getting the same offer over and over and over again.
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Paper Pusher
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Posted - 2006.06.26 11:09:00 -
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Why would anyone come and say "offers arent broken" , what proof do you have?
My proof is:
Ive had a Petition in for 12 hours now and havent had a response , BUT my petition went a step farther.
ALL offers are broke.
My PROOF:
Goto an R$D agent ang look at the predictable patents.
ALL Starship offers are "Not predictable"
ALL.
Would be nice if when you present your "opinion" you could back it with some proof or a reason!
Im Guessing that what the agents offer are what havent been claimed. Thats why tons of minning crystals and ALOT of people dont have the LP's for the skillbooks. (so save up Im betting they are a sure bet now)
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Devanesc
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Posted - 2006.06.26 11:14:00 -
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Well, with over 400,000 lps now. my last 6 offers have all been for 200,000 lps. Why is my agent giving me offers for lp values worth approx half what i have?
Not sure if its broken and certainly not saying it is, but a tad confused myself
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Contralto
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Posted - 2006.06.26 11:22:00 -
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 Originally by: Devanesc
Well, with over 400,000 lps now. my last 6 offers have all been for 200,000 lps. Why is my agent giving me offers for lp values worth approx half what i have?
Not sure if its broken and certainly not saying it is, but a tad confused myself
Yes ditto here, 2 agents at 300k plus, all offers at 200k and for implants.
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Dorah Hawkwing
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Posted - 2006.06.26 11:22:00 -
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same here.. 400k+ LP's, only getting 200k implant offers since the patch. |
Tachy
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Posted - 2006.06.26 11:53:00 -
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Originally by: Paper Pusher
Why would anyone come and say "offers arent broken" , what proof do you have?
My proof is:
Ive had a Petition in for 12 hours now and havent had a response , BUT my petition went a step farther.
ALL offers are broke.
My PROOF:
Goto an R$D agent ang look at the predictable patents.
ALL Starship offers are "Not predictable"
ALL.
Would be nice if when you present your "opinion" you could back it with some proof or a reason!
Im Guessing that what the agents offer are what havent been claimed. Thats why tons of minning crystals and ALOT of people dont have the LP's for the skillbooks. (so save up Im betting they are a sure bet now)
The devs decide how many T2 items are to be produced.
They decide on the number of BPO for each T2 item.
They drop the BPO into the T2 lottery.
Agents randomly decide who and when the BPO are offered to pilots.
When all BPO in a group are handed out, there are no results easily predictable.
This has nothing to do with the agent offers for LP.
Agent offers for LP aren't broken (entirely). The devs removed quite some offers fro mthe list though. Due to the total mission system restart, the LP offers aren't back to the amount you have yet.
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D'onryu Shoqui
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Posted - 2006.06.26 12:11:00 -
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i just got a gift for things to come on two different agents and a ship bpc for tags offer on my third agent 
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Saryn Lightyear
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Posted - 2006.06.26 13:36:00 -
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Has it ever been not broken? I've never gotten a navy battleship offer and Ive had two agents sitting at 300K LP + for months, completing a mission or two every time I receive a crap offer like navy comet for 220kLP or 200k LP for a couple of 3% implants.
I have not received an offer yet after the latest patch so cant comment on that. |
Mnengli Noiliffe
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Posted - 2006.06.26 13:37:00 -
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Originally by: Tachy
Agent offers for LP aren't broken (entirely). The devs removed quite some offers fro mthe list though. Due to the total mission system restart, the LP offers aren't back to the amount you have yet.
I have 10 agents with number of LP varying from 6k to 130k lp.
I've done lots of missions for many of them since patch.
From all those agents the ONLY offers I got since patch were "gifts for things to come", and 1 time I've got a connections book. I suspect though that this book was scheduled before patch by the system.
Really, if THAT's not broken I don't know what is...
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Saryn Lightyear
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Posted - 2006.06.26 13:40:00 -
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Edited by: Saryn Lightyear on 26/06/2006 13:43:05
Originally by: Mnengli Noiliffe
Originally by: Tachy
Agent offers for LP aren't broken (entirely). The devs removed quite some offers fro mthe list though. Due to the total mission system restart, the LP offers aren't back to the amount you have yet.
I have 10 agents with number of LP varying from 6k to 130k lp.
I've done lots of missions for many of them since patch.
From all those agents the ONLY offers I got since patch were "gifts for things to come", and 1 time I've got a connections book. I suspect though that this book was scheduled before patch by the system.
Really, if THAT's not broken I don't know what is...
so you dont get anymore junk 3% implant offers and drug for money offers ??
so tell me you actually want those 3% junk implants??
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Mnengli Noiliffe
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Posted - 2006.06.26 13:57:00 -
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There were useful 5% implants available through offers.
5% to all turret damage comes to mind, and super-rare armor implants. Some other non-implant offers were good too, like assault frigs and battleships for reduced mineral cost. Maybe they weren't that good isk/lp-wise but considering the amount of "gift"-offers generated now expect attrib-implant prices to fall very fast which will sudenly make those old offers seem very good.
Anyways I don't think it's certain yet that all the goodies were removed, as it's obvious that the offer system is broken and doesn't show all the offers still left in DB. Other people getting the same kind of offers (even non-"gift") all the time are good indication that such problem exists.
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Incinate
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Posted - 2006.06.26 14:03:00 -
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For the past 6 weeks all i've had are implant offers or the navy vexor offer for lp + tags. Still waiting for my navy thron offer to come up....
Originally by: Backdoor Bandit
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Saryn Lightyear
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Posted - 2006.06.26 14:30:00 -
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Originally by: Mnengli Noiliffe
but considering the amount of "gift"-offers generated now expect attrib-implant prices to fall very fast which will sudenly make those old offers seem very good.
Gotcha. Its good to see attrib implant prices fall, so new players will be able to afford them. Im sure they'll fall to a level where people will PVP with their deep pockets and implants plugged in. |
Inspiration
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Posted - 2006.06.26 14:33:00 -
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Originally by: Saryn Lightyear
Originally by: Mnengli Noiliffe
but considering the amount of "gift"-offers generated now expect attrib-implant prices to fall very fast which will sudenly make those old offers seem very good.
Gotcha. Its good to see attrib implant prices fall, so new players will be able to afford them. Im sure they'll fall to a level where people will PVP with their deep pockets and implants plugged in.
New players have always been able to use their mission LP to get them without any ISK required. On top of that the low end ones have been uber cheap for ages! What realy happens is that new mission runners wont be able to make any decent ISK on their LP implant offers at all!
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Mnengli Noiliffe
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Posted - 2006.06.26 14:52:00 -
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Originally by: Saryn Lightyear
Originally by: Mnengli Noiliffe
but considering the amount of "gift"-offers generated now expect attrib-implant prices to fall very fast which will sudenly make those old offers seem very good.
Gotcha. Its good to see attrib implant prices fall, so new players will be able to afford them. Im sure they'll fall to a level where people will PVP with their deep pockets and implants plugged in.
i'd rather pvp with 5% hardwirings (or even 3% ones, it's better than nothing) than with attribute implants, as at least hardwirings can give an edge in combat.
where do you get them from now that these offers have vanished, that's the question.
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Avaleric
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Posted - 2006.06.26 15:32:00 -
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LvL 3/4 pool is broken - for three weeks now the ONLY offer I have received is 'A gift for things to come'. And that is one offer a day from two agents...
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Fidgit
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Posted - 2006.06.26 17:05:00 -
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3 book offers last night.. One of the agents had 34k lp's. Never seen that before, so if its broken, don't fix it.
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Hockston Axe
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Posted - 2006.06.26 19:27:00 -
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Just my screwball theory, but I think that offers are at least slightly tied into the agent/corp youÆre working for. I get spammed by mining crystal offers from my R&D corp agents (I donÆt think IÆve got those from other corpsÆ agents) and used to get the drug offers all the time from negative quality agents. Now that I donÆt really do any missions for negative quality agents I havenÆt seen a drug offer in a long time (since way before the patch). ItÆs probably just a coincidence. I do get a lot of implant offers too lately, although I did get a second cruiser nexus chip a couple of days ago, and a BS nexus chip today.
Also afaik there is no ælvl 3,4Æ offer pool, all offers can come from any level agent, it just takes forever to get that many LP from a lower level agent. I run all lvls 1-4 still and will get the exact same offer from a lvl 1 as a lvl 4 if they have the same LP. (I had my lvl 1 that I do up to 3000+ LPs till I finally got something worth taking. That did take forever at 15-25 LP a pop, and is a testament as to how crappy most offers are, if I can easily turn down the first, whatà 50 offers I got because they are crapÆs crap.) Offers should be tempting, something that you have to think about whether you want it or if you should wait for the thing you really want. Not just 9 parts instant decline crap to 1 part everyone will accept it because itÆs the only good offer there is at this LP level.
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2006.06.26 19:41:00 -
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I've gotten nothing but skillbook offers. 6 in a row now. This IS a problem because the skillbooks will be worth absolutely nothing soon. If thats all we get, they won't even be worth the 10 mill they cost for the offer.
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Mortelli
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Posted - 2006.06.26 19:50:00 -
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Edited by: Mortelli on 26/06/2006 19:51:01
Originally by: Inspiration
Originally by: Saryn Lightyear
Originally by: Mnengli Noiliffe
but considering the amount of "gift"-offers generated now expect attrib-implant prices to fall very fast which will sudenly make those old offers seem very good.
Gotcha. Its good to see attrib implant prices fall, so new players will be able to afford them. Im sure they'll fall to a level where people will PVP with their deep pockets and implants plugged in.
New players have always been able to use their mission LP to get them without any ISK required. On top of that the low end ones have been uber cheap for ages! What realy happens is that new mission runners wont be able to make any decent ISK on their LP implant offers at all!
Yup, that's the problem I've got right now. I was making around 1500ISK/LP on the +2 implants. But there's currently a glut on that portion of the market and it's dropped to under 1000. I guess I'll try saving the LP up and go for the higher rewards.
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SonOfAGhost
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Posted - 2006.06.27 05:40:00 -
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3 different corps (Brutor, Urban Management and Republic Fleet) several agents each and I'm getting 85% of my offers for starbase charters and 15% for mining crystals, no other offers at all and I've had several dozen since the patch. Even another offer for something else crappy would be nice just for a change. I could have had enough starbase charters to run an empire space POS for years to come, except I'm in an NPC corp and not allowed to own one 
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Admiral Keyes
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Posted - 2006.06.27 12:04:00 -
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Ever since the patch ive only recieved implant offers from my brutor tribe lvl 3 agent. One was 8+1 willpower implants, another one was 2 +2 intel implants, then 2 +3 perception implants.
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Contralto
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Posted - 2006.06.27 12:13:00 -
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Just got a 5 run Gall Navy Comet print offer, 220k lp's and a bunch of obscure tags. refused!! need that Navy Thron 
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Cs3Sl2
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Posted - 2006.06.27 14:12:00 -
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Lol im having the same bad experience i have just over 200K LP and i am recieving the same damm offer for 2 social implants. WWOooooOOOOT!! i know they said they have changed the BPC blowout offers but to what i really wish they would post some details on stuff that they change as im sat at 220K LP with 520 mil waiting for this damn CNIR offer. and if its changed id like to know so i can aim for it.
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Zandramus
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Posted - 2006.06.27 17:00:00 -
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Originally by: Saryn Lightyear
Has it ever been not broken? I've never gotten a navy battleship offer and Ive had two agents sitting at 300K LP + for months, completing a mission or two every time I receive a crap offer like navy comet for 220kLP or 200k LP for a couple of 3% implants.
I have not received an offer yet after the latest patch so cant comment on that.
navy bs's come at 500k and 600k :)
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Joshua Foiritain
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Posted - 2006.06.27 17:31:00 -
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Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 27/06/2006 17:33:20
Originally by: Paper Pusher
Why would anyone come and say "offers arent broken" , what proof do you have?
My proof is:
Ive had a Petition in for 12 hours now and havent had a response , BUT my petition went a step farther.
ALL offers are broke.
My PROOF:
Goto an R$D agent ang look at the predictable patents.
ALL Starship offers are "Not predictable"
ALL.
Would be nice if when you present your "opinion" you could back it with some proof or a reason!
Im Guessing that what the agents offer are what havent been claimed. Thats why tons of minning crystals and ALOT of people dont have the LP's for the skillbooks. (so save up Im betting they are a sure bet now)
Lol you have no idea how the RnD actually works do you?
When agents have no BPOs to hand it simply means theyve all been handed out, untill CCP adds new t2 items to the game the BPO que will remain empty. Its always worked like that and its not related to the LP system.
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Stradivarious
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Posted - 2006.06.27 22:25:00 -
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Just got an offer for 4 slave gammas yesterday, 240k lp and some trade goods. So I would say its not broken...
I like to think of myself as the chlorine in the gene pool.
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Tehyarec
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Posted - 2006.06.28 00:02:00 -
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I've mostly been getting offers for two +2 implants for 18k after the patch. Exceptions being the mining crystal offers, had a couple of those, and FINALLY one Military Connections that I'm now training. The total crap offers like the two +2 implants and mining crystals etc are really annoying. I just wish they'd implement the "LP Shop" idea.
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Neue Regel
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Posted - 2006.06.28 02:17:00 -
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350k LPs and last 3 offers from the patch to now have all been 200k LP offers...
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Sylper Illysten
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Posted - 2006.06.28 04:02:00 -
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Relatively new player here, but for the last week or so the only offer I've gotten through any of my agents is "The Butterfly Effect" minig crystal offer, completely useless as (a) I don;t mine and (b) I can't even sell/reprocess them.
Additionally all my storyline rewards seem to have gone to pot, for the last two storyline missions my reward has been pathetic (200 small lead charges?? doesn't even cover my ammo).
Not saying it's broke, just not worth it currently...especially for we n00bs.
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Buraken v2
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Posted - 2006.06.28 10:25:00 -
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- gift for things to come
- connections books
I've gotten these offers, got several implant offers, and one Military Connection offer.
Quote:
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2006.06.06 19:25
Our research has been fruity. If you're interested, I believe I have found what might be a banana in the corner of my office draw.
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Noobie Noobsen
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Posted - 2006.06.28 11:13:00 -
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just got slave omega, no problem for me
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Katini Darin
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Posted - 2006.06.28 11:42:00 -
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Originally by: Mnengli Noiliffe
i'd rather pvp with 5% hardwirings (or even 3% ones, it's better than nothing) than with attribute implants, as at least hardwirings can give an edge in combat.
where do you get them from now that these offers have vanished, that's the question.[/quote
I received a 5% speed implant as a mission reward yesterday on my first ever lvl4 mission. I wasn't aware that implants were given out as normal mission rewards, so maybe this is how the hardwirings are now given out. Pity none of my missions since have handed me a 30mil+ implant 
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Miss Overlord
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Posted - 2006.06.28 11:59:00 -
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CCP are trying to boost the overall supply of skillbooks ie political connections - once they have reached a certain level CCP will tweak the offers again so if u want to increase youre supply now is a good time to do it.
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BustyBounty
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Posted - 2006.06.28 16:10:00 -
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got another 2 a gift for things to come today
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Neue Regel
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Posted - 2006.06.29 13:32:00 -
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Same here. Yet another, that is four in a row since patch, 200LP gift to come offer when my total LP is well over 350LP now.
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Yves DeFleur
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Posted - 2006.06.29 14:02:00 -
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I got 6 offers in a row for "A gift for....." spread across 3 agents. All were perc implants.
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Neue Regel
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Posted - 2006.06.30 17:26:00 -
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Edited by: Neue Regel on 30/06/2006 17:27:06
well it seems very broke to me. 6 offers in a row now, all 200,000 LP (I now have over 375,000 LP) and all the same offer. Almost half the LP reward too.
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Aramendel
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Posted - 2006.06.30 17:46:00 -
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I think it is not exactly broken, but more like "diminished".
It seems to me that CCP did exactly what people asked for - they removed all useless offers. Which essentially were all exept the (attribute)) implants and the ship offers. No taghunt, no 5000 janitors, no 1 zillion units of garbage...
The problem is that there isn't really something new out there, so the offer table lacks some diversity.
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Neue Regel
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Posted - 2006.06.30 18:38:00 -
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But why would i continue to get offers substantially lower in LP than what I currently have? I never had that issue until I this patch. Before. I would get offers either close or up to the total LP that I had. Not almost half like i am now.
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SonOfAGhost
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Posted - 2006.06.30 19:20:00 -
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I've now gone 24 hourse without any starbase charter offers. 1st time since patch I've gone that long without at least 3 of them. I too am still seeing quite a spread between LP I have and what the offers are for. Not a problem in my case though as my agents are all have lower LP than I want or the offer I'm trying to get is closer to the offers than what I have.
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Jacob Holland
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Posted - 2006.06.30 21:34:00 -
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Nothing but 25 Veld + 25 Scord mining Crystals recently...
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VaMei
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Posted - 2006.07.01 00:54:00 -
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Same here, nothing but mining crystals for the last several offers.
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Amateratsu
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Posted - 2006.07.01 10:36:00 -
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Same here, had "The Butterfly Effect" 100 kernite and 100 Jaspet mining crystals 6 times in a row now from different agents requesting different LP amounts for the same offer
This needs to be sorted out pronto
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Paper Pusher
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Posted - 2006.07.01 11:10:00 -
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Edited by: Paper Pusher on 01/07/2006 11:11:32
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 27/06/2006 17:33:20
Originally by: Paper Pusher
Why would anyone come and say "offers arent broken" , what proof do you have?
My proof is:
Ive had a Petition in for 12 hours now and havent had a response , BUT my petition went a step farther.
ALL offers are broke.
My PROOF:
Goto an R$D agent ang look at the predictable patents.
ALL Starship offers are "Not predictable"
ALL.
Would be nice if when you present your "opinion" you could back it with some proof or a reason!
Im Guessing that what the agents offer are what havent been claimed. Thats why tons of minning crystals and ALOT of people dont have the LP's for the skillbooks. (so save up Im betting they are a sure bet now)
Lol you have no idea how the RnD actually works do you?
When agents have no BPOs to hand it simply means theyve all been handed out, untill CCP adds new t2 items to the game the BPO que will remain empty. Its always worked like that and its not related to the LP system.
So your saying. There are never going to be anymore R&D offers.
Who dosnt know how the system works? Guess again.
Also please reead before you spout your incorrect guesses.
I said goto ANY Starship agent (thats from ANY race) , your trying to tell me that there was a patch , then ALL the BP's were claimed in EVERY race.
Like I said. GUESS again(but keep your guesses to yourself)
Update: Its been DAYS and still NO Response on my petition about rewards being broken.
My Guess would be is that they dont want to answer my page until they figure out whats going on! (and yes that is My Opinion and may be just as useless as the next)
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Juwi Kotch
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Posted - 2006.07.01 15:34:00 -
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Originally by: Neue Regel
But why would i continue to get offers substantially lower in LP than what I currently have? I never had that issue until I this patch. Before. I would get offers either close or up to the total LP that I had. Not almost half like i am now.
Probably because you haven't reached the next threshold level? When one is eligible for 200k LP offers and the next threshold will be 500k LP, then you won't get anything else then 200k LP offers for a long time...
Juwi Kotch
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Bactrian
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Posted - 2006.07.01 18:52:00 -
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 Connections skill book offer?? I`ve yet to get any...all I get is garbage and the occasional +3 implant...
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Neue Regel
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Posted - 2006.07.02 03:30:00 -
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Originally by: Juwi Kotch
Originally by: Neue Regel
But why would i continue to get offers substantially lower in LP than what I currently have? I never had that issue until I this patch. Before. I would get offers either close or up to the total LP that I had. Not almost half like i am now.
Probably because you haven't reached the next threshold level? When one is eligible for 200k LP offers and the next threshold will be 500k LP, then you won't get anything else then 200k LP offers for a long time...
Juwi Kotch
Well I would agree with you, but there are offers at 220k, 240k, 300k and 320k. so your logic is not accurate because there are many more offers above 200k and below what I now have, 385k....
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Firequill
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Posted - 2006.07.02 03:42:00 -
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last 6 offers were :
4x implant offers
2x mining crystal offer
naah, not strange at all.
or do agents just try the offers on everyone until someone bites before offering something else?
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Hickock
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Posted - 2006.07.02 13:35:00 -
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12 consecutive gift for things to come offers, lps ranging from 10,000 to 72,000.
it's broke
Absurdity, n.: A statement or belief manifestly inconsistent with one's own opinion.
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mrg29
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Posted - 2006.07.02 14:02:00 -
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its quite sad that when people have been complaining for months that there was too little variety in the offer system that ccp actually reduce the variety even further.
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RangerXT
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Posted - 2006.07.03 03:33:00 -
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You know what would be nice? Some response from someone at CCP about this. Is it bugged? Is CCP just screwing us? It would be nice to know.
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Sirial Soulfly
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Posted - 2006.07.03 09:27:00 -
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The offer system does not necessarily have to be broken, what it sounds to me reading the posts in this thread is that pirate agents have nice offers, high sec agents got a slight nerf as usual, and research agents are same as usual :)
The only thing lacking here is CCP explaining what exactly they did, and as usual the player base may fill in the blanks, and there are a lot of blanks.
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Miss Overlord
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Posted - 2006.07.03 09:36:00 -
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CCP make nerfs or short term changes to boost certain items ingame this time specialised connection skills then nerf em and open up other areas
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Paper Pusher
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Posted - 2006.07.03 11:16:00 -
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Its been over a WEEK? and still no Response to my Petition about the Rewards System being BROKEN.
If it wasnt "Broke" or was just a "nerf" I feel they would have at least responded to my Petition. That Implies to me there is a Problem and they have NO IDEA on what to do about it.
Do we have to do it as a "Report a Bug"?
I thinks its Strange that we havent herd ANY comment 1 way or the other , from anyone connected to CCP.
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mrg29
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Posted - 2006.07.03 12:17:00 -
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Originally by: Paper Pusher
Its been over a WEEK? and still no Response to my Petition about the Rewards System being BROKEN.
If it wasnt "Broke" or was just a "nerf" I feel they would have at least responded to my Petition. That Implies to me there is a Problem and they have NO IDEA on what to do about it.
Do we have to do it as a "Report a Bug"?
I thinks its Strange that we havent herd ANY comment 1 way or the other , from anyone connected to CCP.
as other people have tried to explain to you the LP system for agent offers and the RP system for r&d agents are 2 completely separate entities and work in different ways.
For lps there is a table of offers that u receive random offers from depending on the number of lps u have. there are no limits to the number of people who can receive the same offer.
what people are expressing concern about in this thread is that the number of different types of offer in this table was reduced in the static update last week.
the r&d system works differently. there are a set number of bpos in each research field. when RMR was released last december a batch of new tech2 items were introduced into the game. each bpo is assigned to a research field and these bpos are then randomly allocated via a lottery system to people with rps in the relevant research field. once all the bpos associated with that research field have been allocated then the staus of that research field is changed to show "nothing easily predictable".
all the issue you have petitioned means is that all the tech2 bpos associated with the research fields in question have now been given out.
this is working exactly as intended.
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Mnengli Noiliffe
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Posted - 2006.07.03 18:28:00 -
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are you the dev alt to say it works exactly as intended?
if it works as intended, then why different people get different SAME TYPE of offers from all of their agents
I could believe that for example each agent has now only 1 offer he ever offers, but then why all the agents give the same offer? At least one of them could have something different from 10 of others. It doesn't seems to be corp-related even as I have agents in different corps and divisions, and they all give ONLY the "gift for things" offers. Same for other character.
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mrg29
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Posted - 2006.07.03 18:44:00 -
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Originally by: Mnengli Noiliffe
are you the dev alt to say it works exactly as intended?
if it works as intended, then why different people get different SAME TYPE of offers from all of their agents
I could believe that for example each agent has now only 1 offer he ever offers, but then why all the agents give the same offer? At least one of them could have something different from 10 of others. It doesn't seems to be corp-related even as I have agents in different corps and divisions, and they all give ONLY the "gift for things" offers. Same for other character.
try reading my post.
i have agreed that the situation with LP offers is broken.
the person i was answering also seems to suggest that the r&d agents are broken as his research field shows "nothing easily predicted". it is the r&d aspect that i said is working correctly.
to repeat, try reading my post next time.
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Petit Faucon
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Posted - 2006.07.04 07:14:00 -
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Edited by: Petit Faucon on 04/07/2006 07:16:45
Originally by: Mnengli Noiliffe
are you the dev alt to say it works exactly as intended?
if it works as intended, then why different people get different SAME TYPE of offers from all of their agents
I could believe that for example each agent has now only 1 offer he ever offers, but then why all the agents give the same offer? At least one of them could have something different from 10 of others. It doesn't seems to be corp-related even as I have agents in different corps and divisions, and they all give ONLY the "gift for things" offers. Same for other character.
moron.
is there any word on when they are gonna fix this? Is it actullay bugged, or are navy ship offers now just extremely rare?
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Sildar Ironheart
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Posted - 2006.07.04 07:33:00 -
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Whee! Mining crystals! At least I've had a variety of different mining crystals offered as I accumulate more LPs. Out of the last 4ish offers I've had, only mining crystals. And more mining crystals. Wouldn't even mind some of the drug offers, I got some drugs from a few of the missions for the agent, might be able to use 'em. But no. Crystals. Oh, would you like some crystals? I've got plenty handy.
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Mnengli Noiliffe
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Posted - 2006.07.04 07:49:00 -
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Originally by: mrg29
For lps there is a table of offers that u receive random offers from depending on the number of lps u have. there are no limits to the number of people who can receive the same offer.
what people are expressing concern about in this thread is that the number of different types of offer in this table was reduced in the static update last week.
I think it's not about the number of offers in the table, it's about the fact that some people only receive 1 offer from this table all the time. This offer gives different rewards (different mining crystals, different attribute implants etc) but it's still the same. Why should one man only receive attribute implants, other only mining crystals, and the other one - only connections books? Shouldn't they all receive random offers from the table instead?
I assumed your comment about working as intended applies to this behavior as well, hence my response. Excuse me if I've got it wrong.
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Paper Pusher
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Posted - 2006.07.04 11:46:00 -
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Originally by: mrg29
Originally by: Paper Pusher
Its been over a WEEK? and still no Response to my Petition about the Rewards System being BROKEN.
If it wasnt "Broke" or was just a "nerf" I feel they would have at least responded to my Petition. That Implies to me there is a Problem and they have NO IDEA on what to do about it.
Do we have to do it as a "Report a Bug"?
I thinks its Strange that we havent herd ANY comment 1 way or the other , from anyone connected to CCP.
as other people have tried to explain to you the LP system for agent offers and the RP system for r&d agents are 2 completely separate entities and work in different ways.
For lps there is a table of offers that u receive random offers from depending on the number of lps u have. there are no limits to the number of people who can receive the same offer.
what people are expressing concern about in this thread is that the number of different types of offer in this table was reduced in the static update last week.
the r&d system works differently. there are a set number of bpos in each research field. when RMR was released last december a batch of new tech2 items were introduced into the game. each bpo is assigned to a research field and these bpos are then randomly allocated via a lottery system to people with rps in the relevant research field. once all the bpos associated with that research field have been allocated then the staus of that research field is changed to show "nothing easily predictable".
all the issue you have petitioned means is that all the tech2 bpos associated with the research fields in question have now been given out.
this is working exactly as intended.
And then in your next Post you "Bark" at someone saying "Read what I wrote"
Thats TOO FUNNY becuase if you would have "READ WHAT I WROTE" you would realize you opened your mouth and Nothing Important came out.
As I had stated before.
I STILL havent had a response to my Petition (isnt this odd?)
and that Petition was about "ALL" Rewards being broke and part of my proof was (which you didnt deal with , you just didnt "READ WhAT I WROTE" is that ALL Races run out of BPC's (starship) ALL AT ONCE. You cant make me belive that that IS Possable so STOP trying to tell me how something works AND
READ WHAT I WROTE
You answer Nothing. You Give NO evidence.
You just state Opinions as though you "KNOW" something (which is VERY clear to me you dont) Becuase you dont work for CCP and you donr READ WHAT I WROTE
Can we have Factual statements? MIne were and yours werent.
ALL rewards ARE BROKEN. I dont care to hear another person come here and not READ WHAT I WROTE and say "Everything is the way its supposed to be"
WELL OBVIOUSLY IT ISNT
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Miss Overlord
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Posted - 2006.07.04 11:53:00 -
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perhaps CCP inadvertently changed the offer tables - little untested hotfix and undocumented quite often slip thro or they put things in on purpose to see how the game playerbase will react to changes if theres minimal complaints then they might leave or nerf or boost if players complain then stuff like the RAM chips only being on agent manufacturing agents (that caused t2 prices to go up so CCP added BPOs for RAM Chips) took em a few weeks to react tho and the same for advanced science skillbooks (were manufaturing agents) now they come from those and also at 8k LP offers.
CCP make untold changes quite often.
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mrg29
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Posted - 2006.07.04 12:55:00 -
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to paper pusher
no i dont work for CCP but having played the game for over 2 years, spend alot of time on the fourms, read every dev blog, read all the links to dev chats or interviews posted and most importantly follow closely any forum posts related to missions and mission changes i think i have a fairly good idea of how things work.
in a recent response from zrakor he indicated that one of their intentions was to remove alot of the deadwood from the lp offers table. this would focus on the offers that are rarely, if ever, accepted by players. it looks like this was done in the static update 2 weeks ago.
the end result of this has left a lack of variety in the offer table which is meaning people are getting the same type of offers repeated.
as far as your previous rants they seemed wholly focussed on the r&d system and the fact that your research agents were showing "nothing easily predictable" which is completely unrelated to loyalty points.
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Miss Overlord
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Posted - 2006.07.04 13:01:00 -
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ok so they have refined a lot of hte offers and left the most popular without even tweaking existing ones or adding new ones - ah well lets just accept whats there and flood the market
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mrg29
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Posted - 2006.07.04 13:22:00 -
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u might want to check paragraph 5 in the attached post by zrakor.
Linkage
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Mnengli Noiliffe
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Posted - 2006.07.04 13:49:00 -
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Originally by: mrg29
u might want to check paragraph 5 in the attached post by zrakor.
Linkage
ok .. let's try again.
pre-patch:
I get mining crystal offers and "gift..." offers and some others,
post-patch:
I get ONLY "gift..." offers,
But some other guy gets ONLY mining crystal offers.
Now tell me, if crystal offers weren't removed from the table, why dont' I get them at all? As well as some other good offers still in the table, like ship offers.
If they only removed crap offers we would still get different remaining offers. What we have now could only be caused by a new bug which causes offer system to not show all eligible offers to some (if not all) of people, only giving them one type of offer all the time.
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mrg29
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Posted - 2006.07.04 14:10:00 -
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Originally by: Mnengli Noiliffe
Originally by: mrg29
u might want to check paragraph 5 in the attached post by zrakor.
Linkage
ok .. let's try again.
pre-patch:
I get mining crystal offers and "gift..." offers and some others,
post-patch:
I get ONLY "gift..." offers,
But some other guy gets ONLY mining crystal offers.
Now tell me, if crystal offers weren't removed from the table, why dont' I get them at all? As well as some other good offers still in the table, like ship offers.
If they only removed crap offers we would still get different remaining offers. What we have now could only be caused by a new bug which causes offer system to not show all eligible offers to some (if not all) of people, only giving them one type of offer all the time.
maybe coz its been less than 2 weeks since they changed it and the offers available at the range of lps u currently have dont include other offer types.
dont get me wrong here i am as unhappy about the current situation as u r.
over the last 12 months we have seen the variety of items available through lp offers reduced at almost every patch. alot of the offers previously available were so out of sync with market values that no-one in their right mind would take them.
what we have been left with is a situation where the limited nature of offers left means supply of certain items will increase, the price will drop thus making lps worth less. 120k lps gets u 8 +3 implants, using int implants as an example, a few weeks ago those 8 implants would have got u 250-300 mill on the market. now u r lucky to get 200 mill for them. thats a 20-30% reduction in return for your lps.
what we need is for more variety to be added to the offer table again. faction mods or bpcs for faction mods, faction ammo or more trade goods, POS items etc.
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Paper Pusher
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Posted - 2006.07.05 22:12:00 -
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to Mrg29
You are wrong.
1 Simple fact. Rewards AND Reasearch are BOTH broken.
Look at the proof people have posted (and then you flamed them for it).
I Personally Confirm that with a variety of LP's that the offers har Extremly lopsided and ALSO I checked on the Research Agents. It Impossable to belive that "ALL" of them gave out "ALL" of thier BP's at the "SAME TIME"
Stop attacking people that give proof and you do have an attitude as if you were an Employee for CCP. Back up and let the players post FACTS
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mrg29
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Posted - 2006.07.05 22:25:00 -
[75]
Originally by: Paper Pusher
to Mrg29
You are wrong.
1 Simple fact. Rewards AND Reasearch are BOTH broken.
Look at the proof people have posted (and then you flamed them for it).
I Personally Confirm that with a variety of LP's that the offers har Extremly lopsided and ALSO I checked on the Research Agents. It Impossable to belive that "ALL" of them gave out "ALL" of thier BP's at the "SAME TIME"
Stop attacking people that give proof and you do have an attitude as if you were an Employee for CCP. Back up and let the players post FACTS
excuse me.
the only person i have corrected is yourself and that is because you clearly do not understand how t2 bpos are issued by r&d agents as at least one other person in this thread also pointed out to you.
the last time new tech2 bpos were intorduced into the game was RMR which is now 8 months ago.
since that time they have gradually been seeded to players via the lottery system.
the reason all r&d agents are now showing "nothing easily predictable" is that the finite number of bpos available have now been issued. it is probable that ccp updated the research field info and the agent info in the static update they did last week that is why it appears it all happened at the same time.
i even posted a link to a DEV post where they stated that alot of the deadwood was going to be removed from the offer system and that they would only be leaving those offers which people took with any regularity.
now u can choose to believe or disbelieve me but i do not think a single thing i have stated anywhere in this thread is incorrect.
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Ropper
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Posted - 2006.07.05 23:02:00 -
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My personal opinion is following.
They changed the offertable, meaning took out the offers that got systematically refused (HW offers). This means almost 50% of all offers i got before patch are gone. Result is that now i get more of the same offers (implants). I think, next to factionship offers this is the most accepted offer around. And the result is that implants receive a total overkill and drop in prices.
They also stated that faction ship offers changed: More LP, less isk.... get ur agent to 200k and ull never get a bs offer... cos the principle is more lp, less isk. ive received new offers on 220k lp for the frig in exchange for some RHOZ tags. Which used to be alot lower (dont know the exact amount). I think before u can state that the offersystem is broken people have to see at what lvls offers come now. But i do agree variaty is low. However how many different offers there are, doesnt make a difference, there will always be 1 or 2 offers people accept. The rest will get passed cos of low isk/lp value. So this rant is a no win situation in my opinion.
PS correct me if im wrong, but if i get this right this thread is not about research, but about lp offers from agents.
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Paper Pusher
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Posted - 2006.07.06 11:55:00 -
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Edited by: Paper Pusher on 06/07/2006 11:56:59
Everyone go and read my FIRST post here.
I said that ALL agent offers were broken and that I had gone a step father when I submitted a Petition. In my petition I also showed evidence that even the R&D was ALSO broken.
Just becuase I provided More facts dosnt meant that My info dosnt pretain to this topic. Read My First Post.
If after the patch they "Removed offers" That would explain how ALL Starship BP's were ALL gone at Once.
I tried to present facts and added Additional Information. Im sorry if someone got fixated on that and assumed I was Ignorant of how something worked.
Also my Petition STILL hasnt had ANY response.
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Sirial Soulfly
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Posted - 2006.07.06 16:07:00 -
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Originally by: Paper Pusher
Edited by: Paper Pusher on 06/07/2006 11:56:59
Everyone go and read my FIRST post here.
I said that ALL agent offers were broken and that I had gone a step father when I submitted a Petition. In my petition I also showed evidence that even the R&D was ALSO broken.
Just becuase I provided More facts dosnt meant that My info dosnt pretain to this topic. Read My First Post.
If after the patch they "Removed offers" That would explain how ALL Starship BP's were ALL gone at Once.
I tried to present facts and added Additional Information. Im sorry if someone got fixated on that and assumed I was Ignorant of how something worked.
Also my Petition STILL hasnt had ANY response.
I shall repeat what others said, the research and development agents never ever had anything to do with the loyalty point offer system that exists for all the other agents.
They are 2 completely seperate systems.
But reading your posts in this thread it looks like you wont believe anything what other people tell you so *shrug.
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Mnengli Noiliffe
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Posted - 2006.07.06 17:52:00 -
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Ok I was wrong, probably the thing is that you get crystals when you got less than 1k lp, because there are no implant offers for that amount.
Looks like the offers still in the table are -
- gift for things to come
- butterfly effect (lol, they said they removed offers no one took .. but apparently they lied because I won't ever believe anyone in their mind, except for complete noobs, took those crystals which you can't even reprocess)
- connections books
- and ships for tags which are impossible to get.
I guess one can expect navy battleships and hardwirings to raise in price...
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Ropper
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Posted - 2006.07.06 18:36:00 -
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Edited by: Ropper on 06/07/2006 18:41:34
Originally by: Paper Pusher
Edited by: Paper Pusher on 06/07/2006 11:56:59
Everyone go and read my FIRST post here.
I said that ALL agent offers were broken and that I had gone a step father when I submitted a Petition. In my petition I also showed evidence that even the R&D was ALSO broken.
Just becuase I provided More facts dosnt meant that My info dosnt pretain to this topic. Read My First Post.
If after the patch they "Removed offers" That would explain how ALL Starship BP's were ALL gone at Once.
I tried to present facts and added Additional Information. Im sorry if someone got fixated on that and assumed I was Ignorant of how something worked.
Also my Petition STILL hasnt had ANY response.
The reason why your petition didnt have a response is probably because alot of people keep petitioning stuff that isnt necessarily broken. If i get your tone in this forum right, you havent petitioned just once as well. I think I heard that avarage response time atm is about 3 weeks, thats because reading all those pages of people moaning just takes time. Petition once and wait ur turn, like everyone does. Also because CCP has actual people working there as well, I can possibly imagine if someone is very unfriendly they let that person wait.
Im not sure u are and do all these things, but if i am it might be an answer to why there has not been a response yet.
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Hockston Axe
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Posted - 2006.07.07 01:36:00 -
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The primary thing that I've noticed about offers post-patch is that they tend to dip further back down the LP offer pool when they pick your offer instead of giving you the closest LP level offers.
Right before the patch I finally got a lvl 4 up to 15k LP (doing little courier missions) and got an offer at 15k LP that wasn't a connections book. Since the patch I've only done one small (~150LP/per) courier mission to reactivate the offer, and every one has been for 12k LP. Agents that are between 10k-15k LP are giving me 8k LP offers.
It's nice for lvl 4 combat mission runners who can blow past an offer bracket, but a little annoying to have to get to the next bracket to get an offer for the one I'm in.
Oh and the mining crystal offers come at more than 1k LP's in response to a previous post, and have more names than just Butterfly Effect. They just give more crystals and different combos. My fav is the one that pairs up Pyrox crytals with Mercoxit crystals, now that's an odd couple.
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Sonos SAGD
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Posted - 2006.07.07 18:18:00 -
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i just wish my agent would realize that i dont want social implants
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Aramendel
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Posted - 2006.07.07 19:14:00 -
[83]
I think you should take that as hint from the agent to shower more often and use a deodorant now and then
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Contralto
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Posted - 2006.07.08 12:50:00 -
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yes we keep telling old Sonos that but he wont listen (like someone else in this thread)
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