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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2014.07.09 23:25:00 -
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Val'Dore wrote:What I don't get, is why anyone would play at full screen. I get infuriated when mmos developed today don't offer borderless windowed. I mean, what century are these people living in? full screen was out of date once DOS mode games became playable in a window. Because you don't want irrelevant bits of UI to intrude on your game, or the OS to start reacting to input you have no intent to give to the OS? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2014.07.09 23:42:00 -
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Val'Dore wrote:Never been an issue for me. Hell, when I did play EvE full screen it made doing anything else on my computer much more irritating. Meh. vOv It's the opposite for me: Gîÿ-tabbing out has never been an issue or cause for irritation, but random bits of unrelated UI intruding on my game has. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2014.07.10 00:06:00 -
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Rankan wrote:So when the IGB is finally removed and I have no choice but to ALT-TAB out to get some information that I would have previously gotten with the IGB while watching what I was doing in game, will you replace my stuff when I get blown up for being "AFK"? If you start saving now, you'll probably be able to afford a second screen (or a second computer) by then. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2014.07.10 00:14:00 -
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Seraph Essael wrote:And what if he doesn't have the room for one (such as myself). Not to mention, people shouldn't have to buy a second monitor just to play EvE. They don't have to. It's just occasionally useful GÇö kind of like the current IGB.
Granted, if they manage to go through with what they're describing, any second screen will do, even your phone. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2014.07.10 02:43:00 -
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Jessica Danikov wrote:I think the current IGB definitely needs nuking...
...in favour of something more modern like CEF (Chromium Embedded Framework). It's not that the IGB needs to go, just a massive overhaul. The IGB uses chromium. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2014.07.10 03:33:00 -
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Val'Dore wrote:When you say random bits of UI, what are you talking about? Oh all kinds of things. Notifications, start menus, title bars, docks, widgets, those win7/win8 trinket whatchamacallits. All the stuff that some silly person thought should be proximity or gesture triggered.
Really, the key benefit of fullscreen is that it steals all focus and does not let anything else trigger based on your input unless you very specifically set it up that way. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2014.07.11 05:16:00 -
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Anabella Rella wrote:This! Maybe the leet types on the CSM all have multi-display setups but, I seriously doubt that to be the case for the majority of the player base. I have neither the desk space nor the inclination to purchase a second display just to play Eve. Do you have a phone?
Quote:We already have to rely on an out of game solution to avoid the monotonous Eve soundtrack. So what you're saying is that the removal of the jukebox didn't really change anything and that their reasoning for dumping it was pretty much spot on.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2014.07.11 22:09:00 -
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Anabella Rella wrote:Yes, I have a smartphone with a small (compared to my computer display) screen. But, that misses the point. Why remove a convenient in-game feature that's widely used and force us to rely on a second display, a smartphone, tablet, etc.? As another poster pointed out, when the current IGB was created it was touted as a major upgrade in terms of both functionality and future maintainability. Was that all just hogwash? Was CCP being dishonest with us then or, are they being dishonest now? First of all, the question is whether it actually is widely used. Second of all, I'd imagine that the IGB is fairly easy to update. It's kind of the point of chromium. But even then, the question is if it's worth it. Even an updated IGB would not provide the benefits they're talking about.
Quote:As to the jukebox, you ignored my main point again; in order to get beyond hearing the same 4 tunes over and over we're supposed to use a 3rd party app whereas before we didn't. No, I didn't ignore it. I twisted it in a direction you didn't like. The old jukebox actually created exactly that problem because it was the only (hideously poorly-featured) music controller in the game. Anything in the game that triggered a track to play would reset the entire player and you'd be back to hear the same 4 tunes GÇö the one at the top of your list GÇö over and over againGǪ if you were lucky and it didn't just stop outright.
If you wanted proper music in EVE before, you still had to use an external media player. They just made a hard cut in what the in-game music player was used for: now it's only in-game music.
The reason we see so many third-pary applications is because they're simply vastly better than what the game has to offer. At that point, the question is whether it's worth the developers' time to implement or maintain code that will duplicate but always be inferior to the generally used and universally available options. If it already exists, why do it all over again, why do it badly, and why increase your workload by having to maintain this bad replication of functionality? The reason you don't see this in other games is because they don't have that built-in functionality and/or exactly zero third-party support. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2014.07.11 22:57:00 -
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Seraph Essael wrote:Tippia wrote:First of all, the question is whether it actually is widely used. There's ten pages of posts here and the gist of them ten pages is to not remove the IGB. Not to mention the sheer number of Wormholers that use static mapper and wormhol.es and a number of other sites within the IGB... Yes, but how many of thuse use it as an actual in-game browser rather than as a means to feed in-game data back and forth to out-of-game processing?
It's that last functionality that CREST is supposed to replace. The sites you listed are doing just that and seem to be pretty much exactly what CREST is aimed at. Granted, some sort of in-game data browser might be needed to view the output of that processing but really, that's not nearly as neat (or secure) as having a way to feed data back into the game through a purpose-built interface. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2014.07.11 23:20:00 -
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Seraph Essael wrote:And not to be funny, but using WH mappers through the IGB is still using the IGB. Yes, but it's a fairly silly and cumbersome hack compared to just automatically feeding the data to an external processor. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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