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Gariuys
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Posted - 2006.06.29 12:41:00 -
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Originally by: migaaresno
Originally by: Traxio Nacho Out of interest how do other people having more accounts than actually effect you?
They use a other account to have a hauler near a mining ops and every time i try to steal from them, the hauler will take the ore.
Evil hu?
You're slacking, I know it's hard to keep up after 4 pages, but you're losing your edge... this one is so far fetched noone is gonna buy it.
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Nira Li
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Posted - 2006.06.29 12:42:00 -
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Originally by: migaaresno
Originally by: Traxio Nacho Out of interest how do other people having more accounts than actually effect you?
They use a other account to have a hauler near a mining ops and every time i try to steal from them, the hauler will take the ore.
Evil hu?
ok dude read what I posted
You can pay your account or accounts with in game money!
Therefore it's not unfair!
You Will Cry My Name Funny Guys
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migaaresno
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Posted - 2006.06.29 12:42:00 -
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Originally by: Gariuys
Originally by: migaaresno
Originally by: Nira Li
Originally by: migaaresno The rant
Ok I'm just gonna say this once.
Multiple accounts are not unfair because: Everyone can get more than one account. If you "can't" that only means you are lazy and not that's it unfair.
Therefore your argument about it being unfair is not valid.
What part of : "I cant support more then 1 account" dont you get?
Who are you to say im lazy? why am i lazy?
Cause earning 10 bucks a month is something anyone could do in say 1 hour a week, at most?
I am unable to earn 10 bucks in 1 month every week a hour.
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migaaresno
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Posted - 2006.06.29 12:43:00 -
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Originally by: Biltic Creen
Originally by: migaaresno No, i dont care if they are rich in real life. as long as theydont spoil my in-game fun.
Well than i demand that you downgrade your PC, cause i only have an old Athlon 600 with a Riva TNT and can run Eve only with 2 FPS. I¦m broke and can't get a new one In case we would meet in PvP, it would spoil my fun if you had a better PC
I feel ur pain.... Lets make the game fair! support downgrade graphics NOW!!!
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Traxio Nacho
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Posted - 2006.06.29 12:47:00 -
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Originally by: migaaresno
Originally by: Traxio Nacho Out of interest how do other people having more accounts than actually effect you?
They use a other account to have a hauler near a mining ops and every time i try to steal from them, the hauler will take the ore.
Evil hu?
I mean why does it effect you if someone has abit more isk than you, theres prob 100's if not 1000's of people out there using one account that have more isk than you doesnt that bother you?
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migaaresno
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Posted - 2006.06.29 12:50:00 -
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Originally by: Nira Li
Originally by: migaaresno
Originally by: Nira Li
Originally by: migaaresno The rant
Ok I'm just gonna say this once.
Multiple accounts are not unfair because: Everyone can get more than one account. If you "can't" that only means you are lazy and not that's it unfair.
Therefore your argument about it being unfair is not valid.
What part of : "I cant support more then 1 account" dont you get?
Who are you to say im lazy? why am i lazy?
I'm sorry if I offended you, looks like my post wasn't edited
this is what it was supposed to say:
If you are broke: Then you mine/npc/missions/pirating till you can afford to buy a Game Time Card with your isk to pay your 2nd account with.
If you say you can't spend that much rl time, it wouldn't be usefull for you to have a 2nd account
Ah... but i totally agree whit paying ISK for more accounts. no problems here.
States in first post, edited.
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Nira Li
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Posted - 2006.06.29 12:53:00 -
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Originally by: migaaresno
Originally by: Nira Li
Originally by: migaaresno
Originally by: Nira Li
Originally by: migaaresno The rant
Ok I'm just gonna say this once.
Multiple accounts are not unfair because: Everyone can get more than one account. If you "can't" that only means you are lazy and not that's it unfair.
Therefore your argument about it being unfair is not valid.
What part of : "I cant support more then 1 account" dont you get?
Who are you to say im lazy? why am i lazy?
I'm sorry if I offended you, looks like my post wasn't edited
this is what it was supposed to say:
If you are broke: Then you mine/npc/missions/pirating till you can afford to buy a Game Time Card with your isk to pay your 2nd account with.
If you say you can't spend that much rl time, it wouldn't be usefull for you to have a 2nd account
Ah... but i totally agree whit paying ISK for more accounts. no problems here.
States in first post, edited.
Well then there is no problem.
You Will Cry My Name Funny Guys
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migaaresno
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Posted - 2006.06.29 12:54:00 -
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Originally by: Gariuys
Originally by: migaaresno
Originally by: Traxio Nacho Out of interest how do other people having more accounts than actually effect you?
They use a other account to have a hauler near a mining ops and every time i try to steal from them, the hauler will take the ore.
Evil hu?
You're slacking, I know it's hard to keep up after 4 pages, but you're losing your edge... this one is so far fetched noone is gonna buy it.
Its not only that, Multi account users are better at mining. Harder missions. R and D. More specializations at same time, like manufacture and BP copy'ing, refining, selling.
And dont try to denie some of these play a big part of EvE.
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Naburi NasNaburi
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Posted - 2006.06.29 12:55:00 -
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It would pretty much be same as saying:
It is unfair that some people have 2 jobs. They can achieve so much more than me with my part time job.
*shrugs*
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Matthew
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Posted - 2006.06.29 12:55:00 -
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Originally by: migaaresno
Originally by: Biltic Creen Edited by: Biltic Creen on 29/06/2006 12:29:58
Originally by: migaaresno
Its easy to blame a other somthing, but its the trick to prove it. Prove my arguments wrong. Give your best post! im ready for it!
Well you asked for it:
You are wrong because everybody is allowed to have more than one account.
Untill it is proven otherwise. I have proven otherwise, I said why we should remove the abilety to have more accounts in first post. Not heard a final uncounterble argument witch voids all my arguments yet.
No, you have proven that you cannot afford to have a second account, not that you are not allowed to have one. There is an important difference.
Besides, if we say no-one else can have a second account because you can't afford one, why stop there? After all, your one account gives you a massive advantage over all those people who cannot afford one account. Therefore you having one account is just as unfair to those that can't afford one account, as me having 2 is unfair to you.
Similarly, someone who can afford a faster PC has an advantage over someone who doesn't. Should we ban anyone from playing on a PC that performs better than yours?
Someone who can afford a childminder can play for longer than someone who can't, and thus has an advantage. Should we ban anyone who hires a childminder?
Eve should not, and in terms of practical application, cannot, impose restrictions that level the playing field based on RL circumstances.
You also seem to assume that having a second account is some magical passport to have things fall into your lap in Eve. It isn't. You still have to pay all the in-game running costs of each character individually (clones, ships etc), and you still have to put full effort into each account if you are going to get anything out of it. For one person to play 2 accounts simulateously at anything remotely close to the effectiveness of two seperate players requires a huge amount of effort - certainly more than twice the effort of playing a single account. There are only limited situations where this is even possible at all, and they only arise because there is so much "idle time" involved in certain aspects of the game. This is the key point that makes paying for a second account different from paying for isk - paying for isk gives you the advantage without further effort, paying for the second account gives you the oppourtunity to put more effort into the game, but you still have to put that effort in to get any benefit.
Originally by: migaaresno They are better becouse they learned the game. Everybody can learn the game.
But not everybody has the same ability to learn the game. Despite what the politically-correct brigate would have you believe, some people are more intelligent than others, and can learn faster than others. Their level of RL education will also affect their ability to learn aspects of the game. Their ability to learn the game is affected by RL factors in exactly the same way as their RL ability to afford a second account, play for longer, or any of the other factors mentioned. In fact, their RL ability to learn is likely to have a direct relation to their RL ability to afford a second account (by having a better job). ------- There is no magic Wand of Fixing, and it is not powered by forum whines. |
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Gariuys
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Posted - 2006.06.29 12:57:00 -
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Originally by: migaaresno
Originally by: Gariuys
Originally by: migaaresno
Originally by: Traxio Nacho Out of interest how do other people having more accounts than actually effect you?
They use a other account to have a hauler near a mining ops and every time i try to steal from them, the hauler will take the ore.
Evil hu?
You're slacking, I know it's hard to keep up after 4 pages, but you're losing your edge... this one is so far fetched noone is gonna buy it.
Its not only that, Multi account users are better at mining. Harder missions. R and D. More specializations at same time, like manufacture and BP copy'ing, refining, selling.
And dont try to denie some of these play a big part of EvE.
Much better, like the little touch at the bottom, normally workes pretty well.
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Nira Li
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Posted - 2006.06.29 12:58:00 -
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Originally by: migaaresno
Originally by: Gariuys
Originally by: migaaresno
Originally by: Traxio Nacho Out of interest how do other people having more accounts than actually effect you?
They use a other account to have a hauler near a mining ops and every time i try to steal from them, the hauler will take the ore.
Evil hu?
You're slacking, I know it's hard to keep up after 4 pages, but you're losing your edge... this one is so far fetched noone is gonna buy it.
Its not only that, Multi account users are better at mining. Harder missions. R and D. More specializations at same time, like manufacture and BP copy'ing, refining, selling.
And dont try to denie some of these play a big part of EvE.
Well that's not unfair since everyone has the abillity to do it. It's just a matter of how much you want to dedicate on the game.
You Will Cry My Name Funny Guys
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migaaresno
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Posted - 2006.06.29 12:58:00 -
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Originally by: Traxio Nacho
Originally by: migaaresno
Originally by: Traxio Nacho Out of interest how do other people having more accounts than actually effect you?
They use a other account to have a hauler near a mining ops and every time i try to steal from them, the hauler will take the ore.
Evil hu?
I mean why does it effect you if someone has abit more isk than you, theres prob 100's if not 1000's of people out there using one account that have more isk than you doesnt that bother you?
Its not they have more ISK. But that they gain more ISK then me using somthing i cant attain. The things other solo players do to get cash is availeble for me too (once).
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Femme LaNoir
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Posted - 2006.06.29 13:00:00 -
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Now this point has been brought up a few times, and ignored by the OP.
POWER OF TWO, yes, thats right, the ccp offer to tempt people to buy a second account, im really sure CCP would give out an offer like that and then ban all those extra accounts.
Originally by: TerrorWOLF Hmm do you use right size of crystal. Small turrets use medium crystals, medium turrets use laghe crystals, large turrests use XL crystals.
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Niccolado Starwalker
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Posted - 2006.06.29 13:01:00 -
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Sigh.
Think ill start a "ISK for cookies" movement. a movement to gather enough ISK to buy cookies for the poors, who can only have one accounts.
First taste. Here. Take a cookie.
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migaaresno
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Posted - 2006.06.29 13:04:00 -
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Originally by: Nira Li
Originally by: migaaresno
Originally by: Gariuys
Originally by: migaaresno
Originally by: Traxio Nacho Out of interest how do other people having more accounts than actually effect you?
They use a other account to have a hauler near a mining ops and every time i try to steal from them, the hauler will take the ore.
Evil hu?
You're slacking, I know it's hard to keep up after 4 pages, but you're losing your edge... this one is so far fetched noone is gonna buy it.
Its not only that, Multi account users are better at mining. Harder missions. R and D. More specializations at same time, like manufacture and BP copy'ing, refining, selling.
And dont try to denie some of these play a big part of EvE.
Well that's not unfair since everyone has the abillity to do it. It's just a matter of how much you want to dedicate on the game.
Oh no.. I can mine, fine. But that multi account user will ALWAYS mine more in space time period.
And have more specializations as soon i reach 1 specialization.
They are always better in those things.
Its not about the abilety to do somthing, its about the abilety to do somthing better then me whit out of game influence.
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Traxio Nacho
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Posted - 2006.06.29 13:05:00 -
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Originally by: migaaresno
Originally by: Traxio Nacho
Originally by: migaaresno
Originally by: Traxio Nacho Out of interest how do other people having more accounts than actually effect you?
They use a other account to have a hauler near a mining ops and every time i try to steal from them, the hauler will take the ore.
Evil hu?
I mean why does it effect you if someone has abit more isk than you, theres prob 100's if not 1000's of people out there using one account that have more isk than you doesnt that bother you?
Its not they have more ISK. But that they gain more ISK then me using somthing i cant attain. The things other solo players do to get cash is availeble for me too (once).
your wrong you can obtain another accounts its just you cannnot afford a second. Thats no anyone's fault.
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Nira Li
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Posted - 2006.06.29 13:09:00 -
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Originally by: migaaresno
Originally by: Nira Li
Originally by: migaaresno
Originally by: Gariuys
Originally by: migaaresno
Originally by: Traxio Nacho Out of interest how do other people having more accounts than actually effect you?
They use a other account to have a hauler near a mining ops and every time i try to steal from them, the hauler will take the ore.
Evil hu?
You're slacking, I know it's hard to keep up after 4 pages, but you're losing your edge... this one is so far fetched noone is gonna buy it.
Its not only that, Multi account users are better at mining. Harder missions. R and D. More specializations at same time, like manufacture and BP copy'ing, refining, selling.
And dont try to denie some of these play a big part of EvE.
Well that's not unfair since everyone has the abillity to do it. It's just a matter of how much you want to dedicate on the game.
Oh no.. I can mine, fine. But that multi account user will ALWAYS mine more in space time period.
And have more specializations as soon i reach 1 specialization.
They are always better in those things.
Its not about the abilety to do somthing, its about the abilety to do somthing better then me whit out of game influence.
What?
You mean because he started before you it's unfair or what you mean? If you don't want to have two accounts don't complain about others having it.
Those who have multiple accounts have worked for them not just gotten them for free.
Ofcourse they will always have more skills because they started before you but you can make as much if not more isk than they do if you want, but tbh it looks like you refuse to work for your isk.
You Will Cry My Name Funny Guys
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Nev Clavain
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Posted - 2006.06.29 13:09:00 -
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Edited by: Nev Clavain on 29/06/2006 13:11:26 Edited by: Nev Clavain on 29/06/2006 13:09:57
Originally by: Gariuys
He's at home dip****. It takes all sorts to make the world go round, but I'm 100% sure the world of eve would still go round without the likes of you.
So he's at home, posting his personal opinions. I have no problem with that. When he uses his Dev account to do it, it kind of becomes a work matter.
For example - I don't use my work email for various things for a good reason.
As for your other posts in this thread, about all people should be able to afford a $10\ month unless 'lazy stupid or disabled': to say the least you display a remarkable lack of sensitivity.
There are people playing this game who cannot afford a single account alone, and can only realistically play regularly by paying for timecards with isk. People who come from poorer countries who cannot afford expensive credit cards, and who do not earn anything like the wages people from western europe and the USA expect.
People with multiple accounts are to an extent unfairly advantaged, especially in the case of multiple accounts working to a single agenda without the need for communication. However as Rod Blaine has pointed out so well - where do you draw the line? Lots of things are unfair, but the reality is to change anything you need an effective solution to the problem.
That doesn't, in my opinion, make it acceptable to wholesale crap on people who feel agreived because they can't compete because of out of game circumstances.
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Seleene
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Posted - 2006.06.29 13:13:00 -
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I know how to play EVE. Many others do not seem to. Quick, nerf me for my unfair advantages. -
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Nira Li
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Posted - 2006.06.29 13:13:00 -
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Originally by: Nev Clavain People with multiple accounts are to an extent unfairly advantaged, especially in the case of multiple accounts working to a single agenda without the need for communication.
That is not unfair since you can pay for all your accounts with in game isk. Which means everyone has the abillity to gain multiple accounts even if they are poor in RL
You Will Cry My Name Funny Guys
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Traxio Nacho
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Posted - 2006.06.29 13:21:00 -
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Originally by: Seleene I know how to play EVE. Many others do not seem to. Quick, nerf me for my unfair advantages.
Yes nerf Sel and Farjung while your at it!!!
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Gariuys
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Posted - 2006.06.29 13:24:00 -
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Originally by: Nev Clavain Edited by: Nev Clavain on 29/06/2006 13:11:26 Edited by: Nev Clavain on 29/06/2006 13:09:57
Originally by: Gariuys
He's at home dip****. It takes all sorts to make the world go round, but I'm 100% sure the world of eve would still go round without the likes of you.
So he's at home, posting his personal opinions. I have no problem with that. When he uses his Dev account to do it, it kind of becomes a work matter.
For example - I don't use my work email for various things for a good reason.
As for your other posts in this thread, about all people should be able to afford a $10\ month unless 'lazy stupid or disabled': to say the least you display a remarkable lack of sensitivity.
There are people playing this game who cannot afford a single account alone, and can only realistically play regularly by paying for timecards with isk. People who come from poorer countries who cannot afford expensive credit cards, and who do not earn anything like the wages people from western europe and the USA expect.
People with multiple accounts are to an extent unfairly advantaged, especially in the case of multiple accounts working to a single agenda without the need for communication. However as Rod Blaine has pointed out so well - where do you draw the line? Lots of things are unfair, but the reality is to change anything you need an effective solution to the problem.
That doesn't, in my opinion, make it acceptable to wholesale crap on people who feel agreived because they can't compete because of out of game circumstances.
1. About Hammers post, lighten up a little, is all I'll say about that. Don't take yourself or a game forum so serious.
2. You know you'd have a point if this thread was serious. But it's NOT!!!! The OP isn't talking about any of that. Hell I support the GTC for isk sales exactly because I want people that can't realisticly pay for the game with RL money to play the game. And you've got some very convincing arguments, but that's not what the OP is on about.
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Khajit Smitty
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Posted - 2006.06.29 13:31:00 -
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i pity you migaaresno, i really do.
Its somewhat sad to see an individual fight for something that he/she believes in so much, yet our underlying societys structure and make up will be,always will be not fair or just to some of those in it.
The only way it becomes fair is when you adapt to it and change your situation, saying that "you cannot", "or will not" is not the attitude one needs to have in this day and age, going through life with that mentality will only make the world seem more unfair and unjust.
Im not taking a personal attack at you im just illustrating a mere fact of life.
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Ithildin
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Posted - 2006.06.29 13:39:00 -
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Matthew truely made an excellent post. I'd like to see someone try to refute his arguments. Please? New sig coming soonÖ By "soon" I do not necessarily mean "this year" |
F'nog
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Posted - 2006.06.29 13:43:00 -
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Originally by: Ithildin Matthew truely made an excellent post. I'd like to see someone try to refute his arguments. Please?
I doubt it'll be the OP who can.
Originally by: Panzer Goddess I podded wrangler, and all I got was this lousy forumban.
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Galk
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Posted - 2006.06.29 13:44:00 -
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Edited by: Galk on 29/06/2006 13:45:07
Originally by: Gariuys
He's at home dip****. It takes all sorts to make the world go round, but I'm 100% sure the world of eve would still go round without the likes of you.
lighten up a little, Don't take yourself or a game forum so serious.
Take your own advice.
______ Long ago one gorgeous night, we let the stars grow free. We let Zhuge do that once, he came back carrying a traffic cone, a forsale sign and three empty bottles of dutch lager. He also lost his Zimmer Frame... - Imaran
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Mr Happ
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Posted - 2006.06.29 13:54:00 -
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Originally by: migaaresno Edited by: migaaresno on 29/06/2006 10:38:22 I think multi account users are unfair becouse they can mine faster/do harder missions/use more R and D agents then any non-multi account users can whit same in-game skills/money.
Nobody can compete and mine faster in same time alone then a multi account user. Beside, the multi account user is almost inmune to ore thiefery since there is always a hauler nearby.
To compete whit them you must earn a lot of real life money and invest that. Not everybody can that since thise game is played by every age on almost every country. Diferances in age/country/familey born in dertermine if you have the cash to afford more accounts. I think these should not be a game factor. That is why i wonder if they are fair.
Thise issue has nothing to do whit spaying in-game for extra accounts. Spending ISK on GTC's for more accounts is fair since everybody can do that, if they got the ISK.
EDIT: Players who bought a extra account who dont enchant the abilety of the other accounts and use they seperatly are fair. Since every charecter who got same skills/money can compete whit them.
What is your opinion? Why should the multi account users stay?
Ill be blunt since i dont really have diplomatic skills
Your post rpetty much says this
Hi, im jelous of multi account users because a, my pc wont run 2 or b, im poor
Here's my reponse, get a job, get a better pc, get another account and stop *****ing.
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Traxio Nacho
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Posted - 2006.06.29 14:15:00 -
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Originally by: Ithildin Matthew truely made an excellent post. I'd like to see someone try to refute his arguments. Please?
Matthew usually does make a good post with sensible and rounded comments.
*snip*
Please stay on topic - Petwraith
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Petwraith
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Posted - 2006.06.29 14:18:00 -
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Thread cleaned again, please keep it polite, stay on topic and refrain from flaming or flamebaiting anyone ---
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