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shwarzkauph
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Posted - 2006.06.29 20:33:00 -
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Just an informal poll. The only way CCP will listen is if we players who are unhappy with the staus quo show our numbers. I have played this game since day one. THis is as much my game as it is a PVP persons ganker/scammer persons game . Why is this play style winning out? Because they whine more than anyone else and tell others who want to play the game differently that they should STFU and eve is not the game for them and your stupid etc....
I can easily play my 360 which I have been neglecting. I can pop in Oblivion and not have any desire to play EVE/ Pay CCP. I can play Ghost Recon. I can Play other MMO's. There are some really good ones comming out and there are some really good ones on the market. It is quite obvious CCP only cares about the PVP players and gankers and the big alliances.I pay my subscription every month. Why should ppl like me stay. BTW, there are thousands of ppl like me who pay every month.
I would also like an official response from CCP. Tell us, should the players who feel it is too easy to get ganked just leave the game? Tell us, is this the game for us?
I would like this thread to contain only posts from players/customers who feel the way I do, but I know some of you cant refuse to flame. Please try and keep it civil.
High security space is supossed to be high sec. Gate guns are supposed to be a detterent. I could go on...
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Wormtong
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Posted - 2006.06.29 20:37:00 -
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it's a game
if you dont find it amusing to play then why play it at all ? This is not a stfu thread but more of a real question cause im wondering ?
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Caleb Paine
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Posted - 2006.06.29 20:37:00 -
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Edited by: Caleb Paine on 29/06/2006 20:37:38 The thing is that, like in the real wold, the ones that think about their actions, the ones that focus on what they are doing and where they want to be tomorrow, will always win from the mindless cattle.
The second you stop thinking about yourself as a target, you become the hunter.
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Frezik
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Posted - 2006.06.29 20:41:00 -
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Originally by: shwarzkauph Just an informal poll. The only way CCP will listen is if we players who are unhappy with the staus quo show our numbers. I have played this game since day one. THis is as much my game as it is a PVP persons ganker/scammer persons game . Why is this play style winning out?
Because Eve has always been designed around a PvP playstyle (not just combat PvP). If you don't like it, WoW might be a better game for you (not a slight against either you or WoW, just a possibility). ---- "Well in this case, he's being flamed, and rightly so, for whinning about a game mechanic that doesn't actually exist." -Lorth |
Nimie
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Posted - 2006.06.29 20:46:00 -
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most of the recent ganking only came a month ago. most of the current empire ganking are bandwagon pirates.
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Locke DieDrake
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Posted - 2006.06.29 20:54:00 -
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What makes it so easy to get ganked?
If you are in .5 or higher, it's not really possible to get ganked unless you are foolish.
If you are in .4 or less, you need insta's and stabs.
If you can't handle that, well, I saw a bridge somewhere near here.
When I was a nub, I thought it was pretty unfair that pirate players had all the advantages. Now I know better. Use the game mechanics to your advantage. Fit Stabs and ECM bursts.
But please don't expect CCP to change the game because you can't handle the reality of it. I love this game for the fact that any second, anywhere you can be killed. It gives me that warm fuzzy feeling when I fly around with BPO's or a full set of Arby launchers. ___________________________________________ The deeper you stick it in your vein, the deeper the thoughts there's no more pain. ___________________________________________ |
Scoundrelus
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Posted - 2006.06.29 20:58:00 -
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Can I have your stuff? =============================================== *If you don't want me to complain about WCS then don't complain when I gank you with a 5 man fleet just so I have enough points on |
shwarzkauph
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Posted - 2006.06.29 20:58:00 -
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Originally by: Frezik
Originally by: shwarzkauph Just an informal poll. The only way CCP will listen is if we players who are unhappy with the staus quo show our numbers. I have played this game since day one. THis is as much my game as it is a PVP persons ganker/scammer persons game . Why is this play style winning out?
Because Eve has always been designed around a PvP playstyle (not just combat PvP). If you don't like it, WoW might be a better game for you (not a slight against either you or WoW, just a possibility).
What a suprise, a "this is not the game for you post". lol
Just for the record, Im not against PVP. Im against gate ganking, thieves, and scammers. Seems many og you want to act like criminals and think everyone should accept this. I would be all for it if there were penanlties for the criminals, but there arent.
Why Do I play this game? Becaise I lie Sci Fi. I like the freedom.
I take that maybe some of the players who feel as I do may be intimidated to post thier thoughts. Please post, CCP wont much care if they lose $15 a month, but they may care if they lose 150k a month.
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Emily Spankratchet
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Posted - 2006.06.29 21:01:00 -
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I'm an out-and-out carebear. Nonetheless, I knew when I started playing EvE that it is a PvP-focused game. And that a player isn't necessarily safe, anywhere.
EvE is a rather niche game. It's become much more popular recently, and a lot of people play who are unhappy with the idea that you can get ganked when you think you're safe. You can see that by the regular forum posts on the subject. Nonetheless, I don't think that CCP should change the game just because a lot of people play who think it should be different. They have their own vision, their own idea of what life in EvE should be like.
Like you say, there are other single player and MMO games out there that don't offer the unexpected gank. If that's your thing, leave EvE and embrace them. Wanting homogeneity in games is recipe for dullness.
And just a reminder in case anyone missed it - I'm a carebear and dislike that unexpected gank as much as the next pod pilot.
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shwarzkauph
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Posted - 2006.06.29 21:01:00 -
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Edited by: shwarzkauph on 29/06/2006 21:02:42
Originally by: Locke DieDrake . Fit Stabs and ECM bursts.
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Fit ECM....I lost my ferox recently because I activated ECM at a gate camp. The campers didnt get me, the sentry guns did....NEXT.
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shwarzkauph
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Posted - 2006.06.29 21:02:00 -
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Originally by: Scoundrelus Can I have your stuff?
See, these are the typical idiotic responses I wanted. Can you gank lovers stop posting insults.
"CAn I have your stuff" lol
Moronic
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Niki Noir
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Posted - 2006.06.29 21:09:00 -
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I have been playing for about 4 months. In my opinion, I think the game is stacked in favor of those who wish to run. If you want to avoid combat, it's really quite easy. And before you ask, yes i live in lowsec (0.2), and no I am not part of an alliance.
Primarily I am a miner/producer and I spend a lot of time out in the belts. Yes, I have to be cautious, and yes I have lost ships to pirates, but once I started aligning for warp and watching local I have been able to avoid every fight.
I came to this MMO from City of Heroes. I left them because they only had pvp arena and a small number of pvp zones, with no loss whatsoever upon defeat. Even though I am a miner, I like the possibility of risk and loss.
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.06.29 21:10:00 -
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I am a happy bunny.
/me senses UO Carebear Corp forming. ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
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mrg29
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Posted - 2006.06.29 21:12:00 -
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gotta agree 100% with emily
i dont go looking for PvP but "live" in low sec and will defend myself if need be.
the environment which you describe is what gives this game its edge however and without it i'm fairly sure i wouldn't still be playing after 2 1/2 years. -
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Cabadrin
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Posted - 2006.06.29 21:14:00 -
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Gank or be ganked. If you've really been playing since day one, you'd remember what it was like (m0o blockade in mara/passari anyone?) and how much more friendly the game is now. There's supposed to be risk in the game and a high loss factor; it's part of EVE's design philosophy, not a flaw.
As for asking for "only posts from players/customers who feel the way I do," perhaps by saying I disagree I can disabuse you of the notion you're in the majority and therefore should be listened to. _______________________________________________
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shwarzkauph
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Posted - 2006.06.29 21:15:00 -
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Originally by: Cabadrin Gank or be ganked. If you've really been playing since day one, you'd remember what it was like (m0o blockade in mara/passari anyone?) and how much more friendly the game is now. There's supposed to be risk in the game and a high loss factor; it's part of EVE's design philosophy, not a flaw.
As for asking for "only posts from players/customers who feel the way I do," perhaps by saying I disagree I can disabuse you of the notion you're in the majority and therefore should be listened to.
SO there are no imbalances, huh?
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Scoundrelus
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Posted - 2006.06.29 21:15:00 -
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Originally by: shwarzkauph Edited by: shwarzkauph on 29/06/2006 21:14:15
Originally by: Scoundrelus Can I have your stuff?
See, these are the typical idiotic responses I did not want. Can you gank lovers stop posting insults.
"CAn I have your stuff" lol
Moronic
So... can I have your stuff or not? =============================================== *If you don't want me to complain about WCS then don't complain when I gank you with a 5 man fleet just so I have enough points on |
Kurren
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Posted - 2006.06.29 21:18:00 -
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Originally by: shwarzkauph
Originally by: Scoundrelus Can I have your stuff?
See, these are the typical idiotic responses I wanted. Can you gank lovers stop posting insults.
"CAn I have your stuff" lol
Moronic
Right, this has been the sum of your responses to players offering real choices. Granted, this particular response is "justified" due to the sarcasm of the question, but ECMs DO work. No sense in shooting down something people are suggesting. Why? Because you probably used it wrong. You can't block somebody's targeting unless they are shooting at you. Why? Because you could very well be jamming them to shoot at them. That's why the sentries jumped on you.
There are ways to beat everything in this game. If you don't want to try and figure them out then this thread WILL turn into a "this game is not for you" thread.
You can either take the advice from the people (those veterans and people that have been in your shoes before) you ASKED for the advise from, OR... you shouldn't have asked.
My advice on gate camping... bookmarks and instawarps. Have a safespot you can warp to, so they can't get you... and have instajumps bookmarked from the safespots so you can jump instantly and avoid the danger. --- --- --- ---
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.06.29 21:18:00 -
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BTW, we all pay CCP to receive punishment from other players every month. Just enjoy EvE as if pain is a pleasuring feeling to cherish. ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
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shwarzkauph
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Posted - 2006.06.29 21:18:00 -
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Originally by: Cabadrin you're in the majority and therefore should be listened to.
Never said I was the majority. But we are a good chunch of income. Any Capitalist money grubbing cororation does not like losing a source of capital.
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.06.29 21:19:00 -
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Originally by: shwarzkauph
Originally by: Locke DieDrake . Fit Stabs and ECM bursts.
Fit ECM....I lost my ferox recently because I activated ECM at a gate camp. The campers didnt get me, the sentry guns did....NEXT.
Want a cookie for being a ********? If you shoot someone who isn't aggressed to you, you are the criminal. If you can't work out why sentry guns shoot you, thats your fault, not the campers. I bet they just sat and laughed as you got eaten by the sentry guns, not due to their actions, but purely due to your own misguided actions. I bet you made their day. Be proud: its not often you can amuse someone as much as I think you must have done
The game is not here to play itself. It requires you to think, and to care, and not tp **** up. If you **** up, you die. Thats how it works. Thats what makes it fun. Your inability to pick targets is not CCP's fault, it is not the pirates fault, it is not the game's fault. Its yours. I live and learn. I hope you do too.
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Rodge
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Posted - 2006.06.29 21:21:00 -
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Originally by: shwarzkauph Just for the record, Im not against PVP. Im against gate ganking, thieves, and scammers. Seems many og you want to act like criminals and think everyone should accept this. I would be all for it if there were penanlties for the criminals, but there arent.
Why Do I play this game? Becaise I lie Sci Fi. I like the freedom.
You like the freedom?
You like the freedom to do what?
If you like the freedom to do what you want, and accept the ingame consequences of your actions - then this is the game for you.
If you like the freedom to do what you want, as long as no-one can do anything against you, then perhaps Eve isn't for you.
Just for the record, I don't like gate ganking, thieves or scammers. But I have enough sense to never get caught out by any of them. CCP have given everyone the ingame tools to avoid each of these. Most people choose not to be careful, and some of them end up paying a heavy price.
Sig inappropriate-not eve related -Abdalion
[ 2005.04.17 00:34:30 ] Nagilam > u better leave Rodge, u will not gank any1 else 2nite......
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Chief Seattle
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Posted - 2006.06.29 21:22:00 -
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if you cant get by a gatecamp, go the other way, if you cant...... thats rdiculous, since i have walked through muffin gatecamps
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Claude Leon
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Posted - 2006.06.29 21:25:00 -
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Originally by: HippoKing
Originally by: shwarzkauph
Originally by: Locke DieDrake . Fit Stabs and ECM bursts.
Fit ECM....I lost my ferox recently because I activated ECM at a gate camp. The campers didnt get me, the sentry guns did....NEXT.
Want a cookie for being a ********? If you shoot someone who isn't aggressed to you, you are the criminal. If you can't work out why sentry guns shoot you, thats your fault, not the campers. I bet they just sat and laughed as you got eaten by the sentry guns, not due to their actions, but purely due to your own misguided actions. I bet you made their day. Be proud: its not often you can amuse someone as much as I think you must have done
The game is not here to play itself. It requires you to think, and to care, and not tp **** up. If you **** up, you die. Thats how it works. Thats what makes it fun. Your inability to pick targets is not CCP's fault, it is not the pirates fault, it is not the game's fault. Its yours. I live and learn. I hope you do too.
This game requires little to no thinking. Surviving in low sec is quite easy and don't EVEn let me get on the "F1-F8", whoops PvP.
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.06.29 21:27:00 -
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Tell the guy who doesn't know who to ECM
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Verone
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Posted - 2006.06.29 21:29:00 -
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Originally by: Claude Leon
Fit ECM....I lost my ferox recently because I activated ECM at a gate camp. The campers didnt get me, the sentry guns did....NEXT.
OMFG
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Weirda
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Posted - 2006.06.29 21:30:00 -
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tbh - it haven't been 'made any easier to gank' AFAWK... but as someone mention above, the more post you see about this, the more people will try it.
so in effect, the pilot that don't want to get ganked this way should probably keep quiet... __ Weirda Join QOTSA Now |
Scoundrelus
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Posted - 2006.06.29 21:34:00 -
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Originally by: shwarzkauph I have played this game since day one.
And yet you aggro'ed someone at a gate with ECM in a Ferox that obviously couldn't tank. OR you used an ECM burst within a range where it can hit the gate. What exactly have you been doing since "day one", because learning the game doesn't seem to be one of them.
Originally by: shwarzkauph
THis is as much my game as it is a PVP persons ganker/scammer persons game.
I 100% agree with you. This is as much your game as it is theirs, so what makes YOUR playing style so much better then theirs?
Originally by: shwarzkauph
Why is this play style winning out? Because they whine more than anyone else and tell others who want to play the game differently that they should STFU and eve is not the game for them and your stupid etc....
We whine too much? I suppose people who get ganked don't whine at all.
/me looks at this thread
Originally by: shwarzkauph
I can easily play my 360 which I have been neglecting. I can pop in Oblivion and not have any desire to play EVE/ Pay CCP. I can play Ghost Recon. I can Play other MMO's. There are some really good ones comming out and there are some really good ones on the market.
So go do it.
Originally by: shwarzkauph
It is quite obvious CCP only cares about the PVP players and gankers and the big alliances.I pay my subscription every month. Why should ppl like me stay. BTW, there are thousands of ppl like me who pay every month.
And I suppose you've rallied the support of all those thousands of people that are just like you, and now your all preparing to leave the game?
Originally by: shwarzkauph
I would like this thread to contain only posts from players/customers who feel the way I do, but I know some of you cant refuse to flame.
So basically this isn't a discussion or anything, its just a thread where all the gank-whiners can get together and group-whine until they feel better about themselves.
Originally by: shwarzkauph
Please try and keep it civil.
You just called me a moron above. Hypocrite.
Originally by: shwarzkauph
High security space is supossed to be high sec. Gate guns are supposed to be a detterent. I could go on...
High Security space is safe. Unless your a moron and carry really good stuff in a really weak ship and afk transport it. =============================================== *If you don't want me to complain about WCS then don't complain when I gank you with a 5 man fleet just so I have enough points on |
shwarzkauph
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Posted - 2006.06.29 21:38:00 -
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Originally by: Rodge
Originally by: shwarzkauph Just for the record, Im not against PVP. Im against gate ganking, thieves, and scammers. Seems many og you want to act like criminals and think everyone should accept this. I would be all for it if there were penanlties for the criminals, but there arent.
Why Do I play this game? Becaise I lie Sci Fi. I like the freedom.
Just for the record, I don't like gate ganking, thieves or scammers. But I have enough sense to never get caught out by any of them. CCP have given everyone the ingame tools to avoid each of these. Most people choose not to be careful, and some of them end up paying a heavy price.
I have never been the victim of scammers or thieves myself, but it annoys me that humans act like this and get rewarded. Eve is just a microcosm of RL, i'll guess. As far a gate gankers are concerned.
Example. I Have BM;s through all the regions I travel through on a regular basis. I happend to make a jump through a gate that was camped by about 6 campers. I come out of cloak and am aligning to the other gate. as im aligning, I become targeted. They targeted me first, mnd you, i turn on my jammers befire they start shooting. Sentry guns open fire on me. Befire I can stop warp, I warp to the other gate via my book mark. Im at about half shields by this point. I pop in at the opposite gate. Sentry gun opens fire on me, as well as the campers at that gate. I panic and warp to the first this I see, which was a station. I get shot by those sentry guns. Bye bye ferox.
I could care less about the ship but what I do care about is the fact that I was responding to a hostile act, me being targeted and I was the one the sentries opened up on. That is utterly ridiculous. So 6 blinking red RATS commit an overtly hostile act on me and I defend myself and I am the one the sentry guns open up on. Seems like the advantage lies with the gankers to me.
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Prestis
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Posted - 2006.06.29 21:41:00 -
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There sure are a lot of these topics recently. Has SWG finally packed up?
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