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migaaresno
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Posted - 2006.06.30 08:41:00 -
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Edited by: migaaresno on 30/06/2006 08:56:13 NO, it isn't!
But WTF!! EVE has nothing to do with fair!
To the hell with it! We need buying ISK unbanned now!
Why? You can rather ask : why not It is banned becouse they give a unfair adventage over those who have worked for it. Thise is totally nonsense since Eve isn't fair and should be dealt with.
CCP lose money because GTC's are suddenly not allowed? Truth. BUT, they allow GTC's not because of the money. They allowed it because it's a Eve related service by Kieron. And he clearly said it was not driven by profit. So they don't care if it hurts their profit. Isn't that true dedication to us players?
And about some peaple can't compete with that kid who can afford all uber faction loot? Well, they are just lazy dump or choose not to use the real life money.
Everybody can pay out of game to get ISK in-game! They just need to earn it first, it's easy to get a million in-game. Just skip a Coke and you got it. Ask for a raise, do chores around home.
You are only limited to your mind! There is actually no unfairness! Since everybody can get out of game cash to buy ISK! You just must use your mind to do it.
BTW: I could not find another post about this topic on http://www.eve-search.com/, but if there is another topic opened, too, I move there.
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burek
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Posted - 2006.06.30 08:46:00 -
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No it issent fair... but selling can be...
"You are only limeted to you mind! There is actually no unfairnis!" Make isk and sell like the rest of us..... with multiple accounts!!!
j/k
oh, IBTL
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2006.06.30 08:47:00 -
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Edited by: Rod Blaine on 30/06/2006 08:47:56 Well, actually, if you are prepared to take the argument to it's conclusion, buying isk *is* fair.
However, we don't need to behave totally logical, that's just some silly ideal isn't it ? So let's say that you can be allowed to play the game in whatever way you like within reason. And let's leave the within reason-part to CCP shall we ?
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dimensionZ
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Posted - 2006.06.30 08:48:00 -
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becouse i dont want to
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Locke DieDrake
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Posted - 2006.06.30 08:48:00 -
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Here we go...
Actually, I'll be back in about 12 hours. If this thread still exists, I'll post something useful. ___________________________________________ The deeper you stick it in your vein, the deeper the thoughts there's no more pain. ___________________________________________ |
SonOTassadar
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Posted - 2006.06.30 08:48:00 -
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Originally by: migaaresno Edited by: migaaresno on 30/06/2006 08:43:18 NO, it isn't!
But WTF!! EVE has nothing to do with fair!
To the hell with it! We need buying ISK unbanned now!
Why? You can rather ask : why not
It is banned becouse they give a unfair adventage over those who have worked for it. Thise is totally nonsense since Eve isn't fair and should be dealt with.
CCP lose money because GTC's are suddenly not allowed? Truth. BUT, they allow GTC's not because of the money. They allowed it because it's a Eve related service by Kieron. And he clearly said it was not driven by profit. So they don't care if it hurts their profit. Isn't that true dedication to us players?
And about some peaple can't compete with that kid who can afford all uber faction loot? Well, they are just lazy dump or choose not to use the real life money.
Everybody can pay out of game to get ISK in-game! They just need to earn it first, it's easy to get a million in-game. Just skip a Coke and you got it. Ask for a raise, do chores around home.
You are only limited to your mind! There is actually no unfairness! Since everybody can get out of game cash to buy ISK! You just must use your mind to do it.
BTW: I could not find another post about this topic on http://www.eve-search.com/, but if there is another topic opened, too, I move there.
I took the liberty of going over your entire post, correcting each and every grammatical error, and changing words to make some sentences complete thoughts.
Having done that: I disagree, and that's putting it lightly. ___________________________ |
Sonos SAGD
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Posted - 2006.06.30 08:49:00 -
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well i bought some isk a while back and all i can say is that if you do buy stuff like skills
i bought some nice mods and after i lost them it makes if feel a lot worse since you realize that x dollars just went pop instead of x isk ----------------------------------------------- I lost 5 sp of skill trainning time during the last patch an i demand that ccp refund it to me |
Too Kind
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Posted - 2006.06.30 08:52:00 -
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Edited by: Too Kind on 30/06/2006 08:54:04 No, it's fine that they aren't allowed to buy isk on ebay. So if they want isk, they have to go the gtc route. The demand for gtc is limited and that stabilizes the price.
Ok, it's unfair that they get all these isk, but they pay my gametime and that's cool. And then I can pod them with their faction fittings and +5 implant sets and get another gtc for isk from them and they use the millions of isk to get new implants and faction gear. Cool system.
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slave111
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Posted - 2006.06.30 08:53:00 -
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Originally by: Rod Blaine
]. And let's leave the within reason-part to CCP shall we ?
So, why do you explain "within reasons" logic so much ? You could wait as others for CCP to reply or not
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migaaresno
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Posted - 2006.06.30 08:53:00 -
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Edited by: migaaresno on 30/06/2006 08:53:11
Originally by: SonOTassadar I took the liberty of going over your entire post, correcting each and every grammatical error, and changing words to make some sentences complete thoughts.
Having done that: I disagree, and that's putting it lightly.
Thank you.
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Yukiko Kura
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Posted - 2006.06.30 08:54:00 -
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Originally by: SonOTassadar
Originally by: migaaresno Edited by: migaaresno on 30/06/2006 08:43:18 NO, it isn't!
But WTF!? EVE has nothing to do with fair!
To the hell with it! We need buying ISK unbanned now!
Why? You can rather ask : why not
It is banned because it gives an unfair advantage over those who have worked for it. This is total nonsense since Eve isn't fair and should be dealt with.
CCP lose money because GTC's are suddenly not allowed? Truth. BUT, they allow GTC's not because of the money. They allowed it because it's a Eve related service by Kieron. And he clearly said it was not driven by profit. So they don't care if it hurts their profit. Isn't that true dedication to us players?
And about some people can't compete with that kid who can afford all uber faction loot? Well, they are just lazy dumb or choose not to use the real life money.
Everybody can pay out of game to get ISK in-game! They just need to earn it first, it's easy to get a million in-game. Just skip a Coke and you got it. Ask for a raise, do chores around home.
You are only limited to your mind! There is actually no unfairness! Since everybody can get out of game cash to buy ISK! You just must use your mind to do it.
BTW: I could not find another post about this topic on http://www.eve-search.com/, but if there is another topic opened, too, I move there.
I took the liberty of going over your entire post, correcting each and every grammatical error, and changing words to make some sentences complete thoughts.
Having done that: I disagree, and that's putting it lightly.
I gave it a polish.
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Novarei
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Posted - 2006.06.30 08:56:00 -
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Edited by: Novarei on 30/06/2006 08:56:21 Weeeeeeeee
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spurious signal
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Posted - 2006.06.30 08:56:00 -
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Guys, haven't you worked out yet that migaaresno is a forum troll?
He deliberately ignores all reasonable and valid counter arguments presented to him, he is posting only on the most inflammatory topics he can find and he has worked out how to get the most angry and strident responses possible by simply repeating his flawed logic over and over again.
Plus his name is an anagram of "I among arse". Case closed
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2006.06.30 08:58:00 -
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Edited by: Rod Blaine on 30/06/2006 09:00:39
Originally by: slave111 Edited by: slave111 on 30/06/2006 08:56:50
Originally by: Rod Blaine
]. And let's leave the within reason-part to CCP shall we ?
So, why do you explain "within reasons" logic so much ? You could wait as others for CCP to reply or not
They're not going to reply. They're goign to read it, see an uncosntructive thread with a whiny and irresponsive original poster that has no control over his own thread, see nothing new has been said and discard it as useless since it in no way can accurately reflect how the community feels about the subject anyway being as flamy as it's going to be.
Sorry If I explain much, but most people simply don't seen to get it if you don't.
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migaaresno
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Posted - 2006.06.30 08:58:00 -
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Edited by: migaaresno on 30/06/2006 08:58:43
Originally by: spurious signal Guys, haven't you worked out yet that migaaresno is a forum troll?
He deliberately ignores all reasonable and valid counter arguments presented to him, he is posting only on the most inflammatory topics he can find and he has worked out how to get the most angry and strident responses possible by simply repeating his flawed logic over and over again.
Plus his name is an anagram of "I among arse". Case closed
i agreed whit my previous post.
Fighting Illegal mining Since, 2 months ago |
Flyer11
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Posted - 2006.06.30 08:58:00 -
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/emote hits migaaresno with the whiner stick Flyer11 Turbulent Subversion Director
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2006.06.30 09:06:00 -
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CCP own the game and the ISK on the server.
Since its their game, they can decide how it works. They decided ISK sales are not allowed. Fair or unfair? Who cares, it's their game and their rules.
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Tachy
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Posted - 2006.06.30 09:07:00 -
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There is a lot of threads about GTC selling all over the place.
If ccp disallowed GTC-Isk trades they'd remove a lot of their customers from the game (pupils, students).
Each GTC equals a certain amount of >paid< time in the game.
Isk are not generated, only redistributed.
Trading GTC for Isk is basically the same as hiring someone to earn the Isk for you.
As soon as ccp allows tradinging ingame Isk and items for real world values, the whole trades would be fully taxable - See your thread about multiaccounting. --*=*=*--
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Khajit Smitty
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Posted - 2006.06.30 09:11:00 -
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Originally by: migaaresno They allowed it because it's a Eve related service by Kieron. And he clearly said it was not driven by profit. So they don't care if it hurts their profit.
I suggest you Re-read Kierons post again and again, maybe get someone else to read it to you and explain it, manipulating ones words to benefit your argument is wrong.
I have nothing to say regarding this topic, and will most likely not have anything to say in any of your future topics.
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Traxio Nacho
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Posted - 2006.06.30 09:14:00 -
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migaaresn as already stated life isn't fair if it was Jessica Alba would be my gf and people like you wouldn't be able to post on the forums.
If you actually wanted an answer to this question you would have done the clever thing and emailed the GM's, but instead you just wanted to wind people up.
Legal Isk selling would just ruin the game, as people with too much real life money would have too much money ingame.
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migaaresno
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Posted - 2006.06.30 09:16:00 -
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Originally by: Khajit Smitty
Originally by: migaaresno They allowed it because it's a Eve related service by Kieron. And he clearly said it was not driven by profit. So they don't care if it hurts their profit.
I suggest you Re-read Kierons post again and again, maybe get someone else to read it to you and explain it, manipulating ones words to benefit your argument is wrong.
I have nothing to say regarding this topic, and will most likely not have anything to say in any of your future topics.
I cant find any mis-understanding. Can you point me on what i done wrong and explain it?
Fighting Illegal mining Since, 2 months ago |
slave111
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Posted - 2006.06.30 09:18:00 -
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Originally by: Rod Blaine They're not going to reply. They're goign to read it, see an uncosntructive thread with a whiny and irresponsive original poster that has no control over his own thread, see nothing new has been said and discard it as useless since it in no way can accurately reflect how the community feels about the subject anyway being as flamy as it's going to be.
Sorry If I explain much, but most people simply don't seen to get it if you don't.
I know the answer from CCP wont come easy and fast. But we have 2 sides of opinions mostly regarding some subject. If one side is in majority doesnt neccesary mean they are right. So, only one that can clear up some things ism trusted third party....which in many casses would be CCP.
Its not like ppl dont understand each other, or dont read. Its just that explanations are not as they would hoping to get. ------------------------------------------------ Minority report:Father Tommaso Caccini denounced Galileo's opinions on the motion of the Earth, judging them dangerous and close to heresy |
Moghydin
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Posted - 2006.06.30 09:18:00 -
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ISK selling for RL money should be a bannable offence. It doesn't matter if it's GTC or e-bay. The reasons for this are numerous and they are mentioned in countless threads on these forums and on forums of many other MMORPGs.
Most GTC clients are not those "poor" ppl without the credit cards. They are powergamers who support their 2,3,4...,n-th account with ISK, as paying for many accounts with RL money can be expensive at some point. And more ppl will be powergaming with multiple accounts or RL cash -> ISK system, the more ppl will get into this business, as if you won't do the same, you'll be left behind, eating dust.
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migaaresno
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Posted - 2006.06.30 09:20:00 -
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Originally by: Traxio Nacho migaaresn as already stated life isn't fair if it was Jessica Alba would be my gf and people like you wouldn't be able to post on the forums.
Who is Jessica Alba?
Originally by: Traxio Nacho If you actually wanted an answer to this question you would have done the clever thing and emailed the GM's, but instead you just wanted to wind people up.
I tought thise was the normal way to discus things like thise. But i gues your right, who should i sent to? you know the E-mail?
Originally by: Traxio Nacho Legal Isk selling would just ruin the game, as people with too much real life money would have too much money ingame.
Why would too mutch ISK be bad?
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2006.06.30 09:23:00 -
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Edited by: Rod Blaine on 30/06/2006 09:24:27 Are you going off-topic in your own thread now or are you just turning it into an anti multiple-account thread belatedly ?
edit: nm, read it worng, that was moghysomething doing that.
The basis of your agument seems to be that anything out-of-game that influences the competition ingame is by definition unfair and should be stopped where possible right ?
The basis of my arguments is that that's not possible, nor should we desire it since it can be taken into excesses far worse then the excesses of a system that regulates and allows outside influence within reason.
Shall we stop the threads ? They can't be resolved anyway, and unless you feel like actually discussing the basis of these arguments they are not going to lead to anything new either.
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Traxio Nacho
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Posted - 2006.06.30 09:27:00 -
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Quote: Who is Jessica Alba?
See my Sig
Quote: I tought thise was the normal way to discus things like thise. But i gues your right, who should i sent to? you know the E-mail?
Well it is if you want a discussion if you want an actual answer from a GM your better off emailing as they do come on here but your very unlikely to get an answer here.
Regarding email under support on the left hand side of this forum there is a petetion you should be able to "ask a question" there.
Quote: Why would too mutch ISK be bad?
Because then Isk becomes worthless.
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2006.06.30 09:30:00 -
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Originally by: slave111
Originally by: Rod Blaine They're not going to reply. They're goign to read it, see an uncosntructive thread with a whiny and irresponsive original poster that has no control over his own thread, see nothing new has been said and discard it as useless since it in no way can accurately reflect how the community feels about the subject anyway being as flamy as it's going to be.
Sorry If I explain much, but most people simply don't seen to get it if you don't.
I know the answer from CCP wont come easy and fast. But we have 2 sides of opinions mostly regarding some subject. If one side is in majority doesnt neccesary mean they are right. So, only one that can clear up some things ism trusted third party....which in many casses would be CCP.
Its not like ppl dont understand each other, or dont read. Its just that explanations are not as they would hoping to get.
Oh, I already know the answer CCP has given. You see, this isn't exactly the first discussion on the subject. But I like arguing too much to pass on another thread tbh .
Bear in mind when asking them however, that CCP may have different values and most certainly has different interests then most people here.
I think CCP are going for the practical way. Practical meaning maximum benefit while minimising damage. That's not going to be dissalowing all isk for real value trading btw. Since that's neither beneficial to CCP nor minimises damage to the game.
But if you want to know, you'll have to ask CCP. Reading some of the old threads might help too, some have some pointers as to what's likely to happen.
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spurious signal
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Posted - 2006.06.30 09:31:00 -
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Jesus guys, don't feed the troll! He even just stole someone else's sig yesterday, which IMO should get him a temp-ban from the forums.
He's playing you all like a cat with a bit of string
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Avon
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Posted - 2006.06.30 09:34:00 -
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GTC's are a service, just like TS servers, sigs, killboards, and a host of other things.
The only thing that really needs to be in place is a system to ensure people aren't using ISK to buy GTCs to then sell on for $$.
This could be done by having a webpage where a player name can be entered, and the GTC, and that account is credited with the game time. The buyer never sees the actual GTC.
CCP's position on this is fair.
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slave111
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Posted - 2006.06.30 09:37:00 -
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Edited by: slave111 on 30/06/2006 09:37:40
Originally by: Rod Blaine Not the "haulers need to defend themself better*
And thank you for somekind common sence reply. As I said, things have changed a lot since last year. Not all these changed were as they ment to be in first place (IMO), so thats why talking about this subject might be different then it was back then with diffeent facts and ideas.
Yet again, I would rather post and read this kind of thread then majoritiy threads you could find all over forum. Future is near by ------------------------------------------------ Minority report:Father Tommaso Caccini denounced Galileo's opinions on the motion of the Earth, judging them dangerous and close to heresy |
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