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Gevlon Goblin
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.07.15 09:08:00 -
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We know that 4x more people "level their Raven" than gets involved in the "real EVE". The main reason for that is "real EVE" needs you to engage in PvP. PvE is merely an enabler for PvP: you rat/mission/mine/whatever to buy yourself ships to shoot the enemy with. But if you don't want to do the shooting, you can't really do anything with your ISK and get bored. I've been there, collecting more than 500B with trading and not being able to do anything with it. Then I started donating it to PvP-ers who fight with the CFC and since then I'm involved in the greater gameplay and like EVE much better.
This suggestion is to make this way supported by a donation feature. Anyone could start a new donation drive. When someone opens the UI element, he sees the ongoing drives, corp, alliance and public on different tabs, ordered by ISK collected. They can be searched too and one can set favorites that move to another tab.
Clicking on one donation drive would show the pilot who started the drive and the description he wrote. The next tab would list the top 100 donators with their donations. This would act as a "hall of fame" that the PvE players can compete to climb. There would also be a payout tab, showing where the collected donations went. The owner can send the collected ISK to a pilot or corp and these payours would be logged on this tab so the donators can see where their money went.
The corp/alliance only drives would only be visible to the members of the corp/alliance. They would be used by the leadership to raise money for various goals. When I was in TEST, we used a third-party feature and raised 300B+ for Fountain defense. Such feature would allow "carebears" to be useful within an alliance.
For public drives, there would be a 1B starting fee for filtering out trolls and it's already against the EULA to fake being someone's alt, so you'd get banned for starting a donation drive in the name of anyone else. To start it in the name of a corp or alliance, you must be a CEO and then the logo of the corp/alliance will be listed. So E-Uni could start a public drive.You can't offer any kind of benefit to donators (like "top 5 donators get invited to my alliance"), any such offer gets your drive deleted and you lost the 1B and whatever money was donated and not yet spent. The public feature is for charitable donations, the donator gives away his money for an idea he supports.
Still, most donation drives would be scams. However - just like trusted third parties - sooner or later trusted real donations would emerge that don't steal the money but spend it on the goal they declared. After these are established within the community, PvE players could affect the course of EVE by putting money on these.
I'm currently spending 30B/month to pay for the wardecs of The Marmite Collective against all CFC alliances. Last month they killed 273B worth of CFC. I'm also giving 13B/month to Mordus Angels so they can have SRP for their battles in nullsec against CFC. They killed 109B CFC last month. So in June I supported/enabled 12% of the total CFC losses. Imagine what would happen (besides couple thousand more mad Goonie posts) if hundreds or thousands of "highsec carebears" would give their excess income to the cause! I would definitely run a donation drive to find out.
Other likely donation recipients were the Angel Project, EVE-Uni, popular streamers, third party tool providers and so on. It could be used to supplement PLEX for Good: ISK collected will be used to purchase PLEX on Jita for the next PLEX for Good.
But above all, this feature would allow PvE players to be and feel connected to the sandbox, matter in the big picture, instead of just leveling a Raven. My blog: greedygoblin.blogspot.com |
HiddenPorpoise
Under Dark Sins of our Fathers
255
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Posted - 2014.07.15 11:08:00 -
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Gevlon Goblin wrote:We know that 4x more people "level their Raven" than gets involved in the "real EVE". Everytime you lead off with that a noob venture gets ganked in high.
No, it's worse than just asking for money, because for some reason I can't understand, it takes a billion isk to start a quest for money. |
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation Ineluctable.
627
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Posted - 2014.07.15 12:40:00 -
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Why should people engage in the "real EVE"? |
Julius Rigel
181
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Posted - 2014.07.15 12:47:00 -
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Sounds like a great idea for a website. Why don't you "donate" some of that 500b to a web designer who can set it up for you?
I don't see why it needs to be an in-game feature, though. It sounds like you're managing to do it just fine without any help, and I'm sure with a little instruction, you could teach others the glorious ways of your philanthropy! Do YOU like to undock? |
Fer'isam K'ahn
None Of One
212
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Posted - 2014.07.15 13:06:00 -
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You start with wrong conclusions and misuse strawmans and sentimental placeholders to misrepresent issues as well as assuming whats right and whats wrong and deducing from your own set of mind (feelings) how things are in general for everyone.
I have nothing against donations, which is a community feature and can be implemented and used as such and is. Adding an ingame mechanic is just taking ISK doubling and scamming to a higher level and the big hitters. Groups who can afford such a fee and make good use of the feature and also have the credibility - already have and do all those things including advertsing and marketing, which makes it unnecessary.
And how does cluttering the UI help any new player and what use are they to donate ? They would be rather on the receiving end. And the ones setting it up for them already know how to do that and get in new players to spend it.
In the end I think the active community effort is woth pursuing, but the 'feature' as suggested completely unnecessary and defeats itself at every corner.
PS: And regarding Marmite: SO IT WAS YOU
Nah, do what you think is right. cause I don't care about such things.... I play my game and Are you sure your issues aren't elsewhere ?! |
Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
1812
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Posted - 2014.07.15 13:26:00 -
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Probably will just lead to scams
Hiring mercs and renting space in null sec are two ways carebears can donate money but i have the impression most dont care what happens in the sandbox as long as it doesnt affect them. EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY?No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided""So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time" |
Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders
1279
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Posted - 2014.07.15 13:39:00 -
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Yeah, useless.
Two things come to mind as being very important to get donations:
1) Become trustworthy 2) Give the donators feedback on how their money is being spent
OP's idea wouldn't help with neither.
OTOH, if you put in some personal dedication and skill, all you need is a forum thread. EVE Online: Death-o-meter |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
2322
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Posted - 2014.07.15 13:43:00 -
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...at first I didn't notice this was a Gevlon Goblin thread.
Then I noticed. |
Bohneik Itohn
Amarrian Salvage Gnomes and Associates
496
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Posted - 2014.07.15 13:47:00 -
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Thoughts. Wait, CCP kills kittens now too?!-á - Freyya
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Mhari Dson
Lazy Brothers Inc
102
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Posted - 2014.07.15 19:32:00 -
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Investment funds gathering scheme maybe?
This would be too easy to abuse for more reasons than I care to clutter the thread up with.
it'd be about as bad as loan contracts were. |
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Corraidhin Farsaidh
Hello-There
616
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Posted - 2014.07.15 20:10:00 -
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I can't help but wonder how people define 'the real Eve'...by gameplay? By number engaging in activities? The real Eve is a player engaging in activities that they enjoy in my view. The 80% who live in hisec and have no wish to PvP are playing how they like. No amount of donations would persuade them to engage in PvP in any area. The gankers are playing the game in a way that hey enjoy, good for them and I hope it gives them much enjoyment (even the odd ones that have caught me). Those in PvP are also doing their thing how they please and that is how it should be. |
Professor Solus
The Chicago School
3
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Posted - 2014.07.15 20:20:00 -
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Gevlon Goblin wrote:I want to force other people to play this game the way I play it!
Somebody elect this man to the CSM or give him a job at CCP. |
Bohneik Itohn
Amarrian Salvage Gnomes and Associates
500
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Posted - 2014.07.15 21:42:00 -
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Professor Solus wrote:Gevlon Goblin wrote:I want to force other people to play this game the way I play it! Somebody elect this man to the CSM or give him a job at CCP.
Brilliant deduction of the exact opposite of what he posted.
Do you even try? Wait, CCP kills kittens now too?!-á - Freyya
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Gevlon Goblin
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
271
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Posted - 2014.07.16 04:00:00 -
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I wouldn't be worried too much about scams. Since it's a donation feature, everyone would understand that he gives away his money and get nothing in return personally. So if the money gets stolen and wasted, the donator literally didn't want it anyway. Next time he picks the donation drive more carefully.
My blog: greedygoblin.blogspot.com |
Antillie Sa'Kan
Forging Industries Silent Infinity
531
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Posted - 2014.07.16 04:25:00 -
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They already have this feature. Its all the rage in Jita local. Has been for years. |
Issac Stravo
Capital Storm. Violent Declaration
0
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Posted - 2014.07.16 09:08:00 -
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I really can't get behind this idea, I'm just seeing too many problems.
Gevlon Goblin wrote:We know that 4x more people "level their Raven" than gets involved in the "real EVE". The main reason for that is "real EVE" needs you to engage in PvP. PvE is merely an enabler for PvP: you rat/mission/mine/whatever to buy yourself ships to shoot the enemy with. But if you don't want to do the shooting, you can't really do anything with your ISK and get bored. I've been there, collecting more than 500B with trading and not being able to do anything with it. Then I started donating it to PvP-ers who fight with the CFC and since then I'm involved in the greater gameplay and like EVE much better. This suggestion is to make this way supported by a donation feature. Anyone could start a new donation drive. When someone opens the UI element, he sees the ongoing drives, corp, alliance and public on different tabs, ordered by ISK collected. They can be searched too and one can set favorites that move to another tab.
Ok, so you found something you like, fair enough, but what I'm not sure what I am supposed to be inferring from this. People like fitting expensive ships because they don't know how to give away their isk? More people would rather give away their isk than do stuff they don't want to do? It occurs to me that you may be talking about the player retention issue with the leveled ravens stuff, if so are you saying people are quitting because they don't know how to give way their isk, whatever interpretation is correct, this is supposed to make them feel connected how? if they are not connected to the game why would they know enough about anything going on in the game to think that they are doing more than just throwing away their isk? the idea that impersonal donations make many people feel more deeply connected to a community they are otherwise not interacting with doesn't make a whole lot of sense, and seems to rely on a lot of assumptions that are shaky in their reasoning at best.
Gevlon Goblin wrote:Clicking on one donation drive would show the pilot who started the drive and the description he wrote. The next tab would list the top 100 donators with their donations. This would act as a "hall of fame" that the PvE players can compete to climb. There would also be a payout tab, showing where the collected donations went. The owner can send the collected ISK to a pilot or corp and these payours would be logged on this tab so the donators can see where their money went.
This is an utterly terrible idea, yes the idea of having a paper trail is useful, but think of the consequences of having that trail. Once someone has donated they now know how all of this isk is spent, giving free intel out to whoever can spare an isk or two, unless you revoke that ability after the amount of isk they donated is spent which could be done in a few ways, such as a queue based that sets people in order of donations, or simply disabling their viewing privileges after the amount of isk is spent, but then why even bother allowing people to know have money is being spent as either has the opportunity for extreme exploitation. There is always the option of laundering the isk but again that defeats the purpose of the paper trail. Worse this idea gives targets in the form of both donators and the ones receiving funds, unless they use alts to obscure transactions which defeats both the paper trail and the hall of fame.
Gevlon Goblin wrote:The corp/alliance only drives would only be visible to the members of the corp/alliance. They would be used by the leadership to raise money for various goals.
Why do you need additional ui for this? alliance/corp motd and bulletins could cover this on their own. I should know, I've been in groups that have done this.
Gevlon Goblin wrote:When I was in TEST, we used a third-party feature and raised 300B+ for Fountain defense. Such feature would allow "carebears" to be useful within an alliance. Correct me if I'm mistaken, but based on everything I've seen and read about the fountain war, test was beaten in such a way that more isk would have been borderline irrelevant, why would repeating that make people feel useful?
Gevlon Goblin wrote:For public drives, there would be a 1B starting fee for filtering out trolls and it's already against the EULA to fake being someone's alt, so you'd get banned for starting a donation drive in the name of anyone else. To start it in the name of a corp or alliance, you must be a CEO and then the logo of the corp/alliance will be listed. So E-Uni could start a public drive.You can't offer any kind of benefit to donators (like "top 5 donators get invited to my alliance"), any such offer gets your drive deleted and you lost the 1B and whatever money was donated and not yet spent. The public feature is for charitable donations, the donatior gives away his money for an idea he supports.
Why? Why not allow donation incentives? What harm does it literally do? Also, wouldn't the hall of fame count as an incentive? You are being rewarded with recognition for it. Why that high of a fee to start a drive? especially since as stated earlier the drives are sorted by funding in descending order. why only the CEO and not make it part of a role so that it can be assigned to a director or some other management officer? Why all of these seemingly arbitrary restrictions?
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Issac Stravo
Capital Storm. Violent Declaration
0
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Posted - 2014.07.16 09:10:00 -
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Gevlon Goblin wrote: Still, most donation drives would be scams. However - just like trusted third parties - sooner or later trusted real donations would emerge that don't steal the money but spend it on the goal they declared. After these are established within the community, PvE players could affect the course of EVE by putting money on these.
If most of the drives are scams why would anyone bother, though as you said it is a bannable offense to impersonate someone there is a glaring loophole, you don't have to impersonate someone to raise money in their name, all it take is the following sentence: "I am raising isk for______. " That is a lie yes, but it is not impersonation. Given that fact the entire thing becomes a question of why not donate directly to the person/corp/alliance and circumvent the chance at being scammed/ the need for additional ui?
Gevlon Goblin wrote:I'm currently spending 30B/month to pay for the wardecs of The Marmite Collective against all CFC alliances. Last month they killed 273B worth of CFC. I'm also giving 13B/month to Mordus Angels so they can have SRP for their battles in nullsec against CFC. They killed 109B CFC last month. So in June I supported/enabled 12% of the total CFC losses. Imagine what would happen (besides couple thousand more mad Goonie posts) if hundreds or thousands of "highsec carebears" would give their excess income to the cause! I would definitely run a donation drive to find out.
What does that have to do with the proposed feature? This seems more like ego stroking than an actual supporting argument for the feature, while it could be argued that this is changing the course of eve that is a very large assumption that quite frankly seems seems to have no base in reality, having taken a look at their killboard. it also fails to consider any other factors, Why is this relevant to the discussion?
Gevlon Goblin wrote:Other likely donation recipients were the Angel Project, EVE-Uni, popular streamers, third party tool providers and so on. It could be used to supplement PLEX for Good: ISK collected will be used to purchase PLEX on Jita for the next PLEX for Good. But above all, this feature would allow PvE players to be and feel connected to the sandbox, matter in the big picture, instead of just leveling a Raven.
I don't know if this is could be a good feature at its core, but as you have presented and described it, this is a terrible idea. It clearly doesn't have a tremendous amount of thought put into it, because as mentioned it disregards the tools already present and manages to be a catch 22 at the same time. You say a lot of things but don't actually back them up with solid reasoning and use a lot of vague wording. you also talk a lot about yourself, which while not necessarily a bad thing, given how poorly it is used to support your idea comes across as bragging rather than support for the core idea. I would strongly recommend giving this another draft or two since, as it stands now, it is not worth the time or effort to implement. |
Grobalobobob Bob
Hedion University Amarr Empire
35
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Posted - 2014.07.16 09:27:00 -
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Gevlon Goblin wrote:We know that 4x more people "level their Raven" than gets involved in the "real EVE". The main reason for that is "real EVE" needs you to engage in PvP.
What? huh? I play EvE to 'level my Paladin'. Personally dont care about, nor get involved in, NULL, Low, FW or whatever other shenanigans. Nor would I care if the 'goons', or TEST, or Marmite, Bovril, Vegemite or even Mr Pantyman and his lycra clad ballet dancers occupied 99.99% of NULL... If that what other people want to do, it's fine with me.
Sorry I just see red when someone tells me that the real EVENEEDS me to engage in PvP... I do what I want to do.
Player retention, on the other hand is important. The Mittani made some great points about NPE, it's hard to not agree with some points in there.. so whilst I applaud your motive, CCP have bigger fish to fry, and work on getting new players over that first deadly hurdle. |
Adrie Atticus
The Shadow Plague The Bastion
154
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Posted - 2014.07.16 09:41:00 -
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Gevlon Goblin wrote: When I was in TEST, we used a third-party feature and raised 300B+ for Fountain defense. Such feature would allow "carebears" to be useful within an alliance.
300B bought you a shameful defeat, that's kinda cheap compared to what you're currently paying, no?
Fundraisers are good for launching new projects with public interest and possible usage to a large chunk of people. Creating charts for a game about internet spaceships which are not seen by more than a few dozen people isn't really something worth supporting. |
Danika Princip
Freelance Economics Astrological resources Tactical Narcotics Team
2819
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Posted - 2014.07.16 10:55:00 -
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Why not make a website for it? Call it ISKstarter and let people make their own lil projects. Take 10% of what they make as fees, and if it takes off, you're laughing. |
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Gevlon Goblin
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
274
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Posted - 2014.07.17 04:34:00 -
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Danika Princip wrote:Why not make a website for it? Call it ISKstarter and let people make their own lil projects. Take 10% of what they make as fees, and if it takes off, you're laughing. Because third party websites are not within the client and they aren't supported by CCP. My blog: greedygoblin.blogspot.com |
Mhari Dson
Lazy Brothers Inc
106
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Posted - 2014.07.17 07:14:00 -
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Gevlon Goblin wrote:Danika Princip wrote:Why not make a website for it? Call it ISKstarter and let people make their own lil projects. Take 10% of what they make as fees, and if it takes off, you're laughing. Because third party websites are not within the client and they aren't supported by CCP.
My suggestion would be to refine this idea further and repost once you've ironed out the bugs and answered the obvious ways this idea could and will be abused.
In the meantime if you want to get carebears to pay you, I'd suggest opening a missioner corp and running logistical support for them and get the tax reward. |
Gevlon Goblin
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
274
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Posted - 2014.07.18 03:49:00 -
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Mhari Dson wrote: My suggestion would be to refine this idea further and repost once you've ironed out the bugs and answered the obvious ways this idea could and will be abused.
No need. Since it's about charitable donations, players can't be tricked into it by offering them great rewards, like double ISK. If they throw away excess ISK, their problem. Sooner or later, the few genuine charity drive will emerge.
My blog: greedygoblin.blogspot.com |
Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3437
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Posted - 2014.07.22 08:51:00 -
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Gevlon Goblin wrote:Mhari Dson wrote: My suggestion would be to refine this idea further and repost once you've ironed out the bugs and answered the obvious ways this idea could and will be abused.
No need. Since it's about charitable donations, players can't be tricked into it by offering them great rewards, like double ISK. If they throw away excess ISK, their problem. Sooner or later, the few genuine charity drive will emerge. In a long list of hopelessly naive statements you have made about human nature, this is (maybe) number one of them all.
Context: Gevlon was scammed over and over by TEST, who abused his hopelessly lax 'donation' idea in the Fountain war. This previous attempt to prove the worth of donations also showed that outside of scamming someone offering to legit double ISK, people just stop donating.
Jury is out why he wants CCP to implement a completely useless feature into the client. Wait, no, it's not, it's just his own "virtual money is all that matters" rararararar stuff again. "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930 |
Bohneik Itohn
Universal Freelance CONSORTIUM UNIVERSALIS
570
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Posted - 2014.07.22 12:41:00 -
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Khanh'rhh wrote: In a long list of hopelessly naive statements you have made about human nature, this is (maybe) number one of them all.
Context: Gevlon was scammed over and over by TEST, who abused his hopelessly lax 'donation' idea in the Fountain war. This previous attempt to prove the worth of donations also showed that outside of scamming someone offering to legit double ISK, people just stop donating.
Jury is out why he wants CCP to implement a completely useless feature into the client. Wait, no, it's not, it's just his own "virtual money is all that matters" rararararar stuff again.
Nice thought but... You know... If the product he received was the product he expected, it wasn't really a scam was it?
Only way I can see this working for you Gevlon is if you started a small corporation of like-minded people to help you fund-drive, and do what everybody else does. Advertise. Questions of legitimacy will fade away if you post weekly screenshots of the corp wallet showing all of the isk going in is truly going out to the alliances it's supposed to support. After a little buildup you can just keep a link to your thread (probably in Crime and Punishment?) in your Bio, corp info, and maybe put a brief description at the beginning of the thread so that you can just put a TinyURL on some random jetcans in space.
If you're not trolling and you truly took the initiative to donate to those alliances, great. Player initiative is the only thing that's going to break up Sov. Keep up the good work. A donation UI interface won't inspire players to take initiative though, just to scam each other. You always have the option to continue to take initiative though. Wait, CCP kills kittens now too?!-á - Freyya
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Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3437
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Posted - 2014.07.22 13:03:00 -
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Bohneik Itohn wrote:Khanh'rhh wrote: In a long list of hopelessly naive statements you have made about human nature, this is (maybe) number one of them all.
Context: Gevlon was scammed over and over by TEST, who abused his hopelessly lax 'donation' idea in the Fountain war. This previous attempt to prove the worth of donations also showed that outside of scamming someone offering to legit double ISK, people just stop donating.
Jury is out why he wants CCP to implement a completely useless feature into the client. Wait, no, it's not, it's just his own "virtual money is all that matters" rararararar stuff again.
Nice thought but... You know... If the product he received was the product he expected, it wasn't really a scam was it? Only way I can see this working for you Gevlon is if you started a small corporation of like-minded people to help you fund-drive, and do what everybody else does. Advertise. Questions of legitimacy will fade away if you post weekly screenshots of the corp wallet showing all of the isk going in is truly going out to the alliances it's supposed to support. After a little buildup you can just keep a link to your thread (probably in Crime and Punishment?) in your Bio, corp info, and maybe put a brief description at the beginning of the thread so that you can just put a TinyURL on some random jetcans in space. If you're not trolling and you truly took the initiative to donate to those alliances, great. Player initiative is the only thing that's going to break up Sov. Keep up the good work. A donation UI interface won't inspire players to take initiative though, just to scam each other. You always have the option to continue to take initiative though. Yeah, see your idea involves talking to and interacting with other people, which he thinks is a pointless waste of time. He's already done what you suggest, but because he refused to run it himself, his alliance got poached from him, and it was revealed that no one shared his 'vision' and were instead using him as a cash cow.
Gevlon's MO in Eve is "throw money at someone already doing X, claim I caused X to happen". This is just (another) extension of his 2 or 3 year long campaign to make people think hoarding ISK is the end goal of Eve. "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930 |
Bohneik Itohn
Universal Freelance CONSORTIUM UNIVERSALIS
571
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Posted - 2014.07.22 13:34:00 -
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I never considered throwing isk into a bottomless pit of destruction "hoarding". What a novel perspective.
Doesn't matter, all of your teeth gnashing will just convince the Grr Goons crowd that this is a great idea, since you haven't provided any legitimate case for not attempting this beyond "I don't like him". By all means continue. Wait, CCP kills kittens now too?!-á - Freyya
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Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3437
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Posted - 2014.07.22 16:55:00 -
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Bohneik Itohn wrote:I never considered throwing isk into a bottomless pit of destruction "hoarding". What a novel perspective.
Doesn't matter, all of your teeth gnashing will just convince the Grr Goons crowd that this is a great idea, since you haven't provided any legitimate case for not attempting this beyond "I don't like him". By all means continue. You ... you need to just take a moment to look into the guy whose ideas you are supporting before you continue this embarassing series of posts, friend.
Or just learn to read good, because dozens of reasons this idea is brazenly awful on the face of it have already been provided. "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930 |
Bohneik Itohn
Universal Freelance CONSORTIUM UNIVERSALIS
575
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Posted - 2014.07.22 17:28:00 -
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Khanh'rhh wrote: You ... you need to just take a moment to look into the guy whose ideas you are supporting before you continue this embarassing series of posts, friend.
Or just learn to read good, because dozens of reasons this idea is brazenly awful on the face of it have already been provided.
You.... You need to take a deep breath, wrap yourself in one of those cozy moon-goo blankets with a nice cup of soykaf, and revisit what I wrote.
I never supported his idea. I suggested he would find it easier and it would be more efficient to organize this by himself than to get CCP to implement it.
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Dally Lama
Republic University Minmatar Republic
91
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Posted - 2014.07.23 12:23:00 -
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A thread with actual, proper criticisms of the OPs idea! No way!!! Nice to see though.
I'm not sure why people are saying "this would just lead to tons of scams" like it's a bad thing. That would be one of the best parts of this feature, in fact.
Gevlon might I suggest creating an unrelated forum alt to post these ideas. You will never get the support you should because, well, your name to be honest.
+1 from me though. New Fitting Window | Distances above 10km | Maximums for buy orders |
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