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Spurty
V0LTA Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2014.07.15 23:09:00 -
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IF CCP removed all supers from the game, what would you want to receive back to make you feel 'whole again'?
For example of an expected reply:
- FULL ISK returned - useless skill points returned to the pool - Characters docked high sec - Security status bumped up to -1.9 (if under)
Anything else you would need?
*signature is not allowed on the EVE Online forums* |
Cavalira
The Greater Goon Clockwork Pineapple
384
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Posted - 2014.07.15 23:13:00 -
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My old life back. My wife and my kids that I turned down in order to farm more isk for my super capital ship. |
Xercodo
Xovoni Astronautical Manufacturing and Engineering
3605
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Posted - 2014.07.15 23:20:00 -
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Better question, why in the flying **** would supers get removed? The Drake is a Lie |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
967
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Posted - 2014.07.15 23:26:00 -
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Xercodo wrote:Better question, why in the flying **** would supers get removed?
Good point.
In particular, Why single out supers ? Why are carriers dreads or titans OK but not supers? |
Spurty
V0LTA Triumvirate.
1362
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Posted - 2014.07.15 23:26:00 -
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Xercodo wrote:Better question, why in the flying **** would supers get removed?
open up your own thread and ask *signature is not allowed on the EVE Online forums* |
Grainsalt
6-10s Northern Associates.
195
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Posted - 2014.07.15 23:26:00 -
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Spurty wrote:IF CCP removed all supers from the game, what would you want to receive back to make you feel 'whole again'?
For example of an expected reply:
- FULL ISK returned - useless skill points returned to the pool - Characters docked high sec - Security status bumped up to -1.9 (if under)
Anything else you would need?
All of this and a pack of twizzlers.
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Yang Aurilen
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
257
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Posted - 2014.07.15 23:26:00 -
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Spurty wrote:IF CCP removed all supers from the game, what would you want to receive back to make you feel 'whole again'?
For example of an expected reply:
- FULL ISK returned - useless skill points returned to the pool - Characters docked high sec - Security status bumped up to -1.9 (if under)
Anything else you would need?
Buff highsec, nerf nullsec, remove lowsec, put WH in separate servers. |
Spurty
V0LTA Triumvirate.
1362
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Posted - 2014.07.15 23:27:00 -
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Hasikan Miallok wrote:Xercodo wrote:Better question, why in the flying **** would supers get removed? Good point. In particular, Why single out supers ? Why are carriers dreads or titans OK but not supers?
titans as well.
Carriers have counters (any other ship). So .. I'll fix title. *signature is not allowed on the EVE Online forums* |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
15350
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Posted - 2014.07.15 23:31:00 -
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Spurty wrote:Carriers have counters (any other ship). So .. I'll fix title.
I was pretty sure there were about 90000 threads that said the opposite, and that's why we cant have nice Sentries anymore.
Edit: forgot some zeros. Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
444
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Posted - 2014.07.16 00:15:00 -
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isk refund at above market rate, skillpoints refund. |
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Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1971
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Posted - 2014.07.16 00:17:00 -
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Spurty wrote:IF CCP removed all supers and titans from the game, what would you want to receive back to make you feel 'whole again'?
For example of an expected reply:
- FULL ISK returned - useless skill points returned to the pool - Characters docked high sec - Security status bumped up to -1.9 (if under)
Anything else you would need?
EvE 2 from another company because this is the type of bonehead move mmos never recover from. Whoever wants this is trolling, crazy, or wants EvEto die. ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10863
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Posted - 2014.07.16 00:26:00 -
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A pony Twitter: @EVEAndski
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10864
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Posted - 2014.07.16 00:37:00 -
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Alternatively instead of injecting trillions upon trillions of ISK into the economy they could provide a mineral credit to the owners. But not in the form of raw minerals (which would inevitably lead to a massive dump of minerals into the market) but a UI widget which allows you gradually use the mineral credit at your leisure - push button, get a T1 item (ship hull, mod, capital component, etc.) of your choosing as long as you have sufficient mineral credits. The item would have to carry a flag that does not allow it to be reprocessed.
This would probably have to be bound to the first station where it is used, and be tradeable.
Skillpoint refunds would be inevitable, as well as relocating the fittings and cargo/corp hangar contents to a station, aside from doomsdays, jump portals, remote ECM bursts and fighter bombers which would be added to the mineral credit. Twitter: @EVEAndski
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á |
Spurty
V0LTA Triumvirate.
1362
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Posted - 2014.07.16 00:40:00 -
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Sentamon wrote:
EvE 2 from another company because this is the type of bonehead move mmos never recover from. Whoever wants this is trolling, crazy, or wants EvEto die.
Personally, I think the chances of it dying are grossly blown out of proportion. Subject for another thread I guess as this thread is about wondering what would be needed by the current owners to buy em back. Cash for clunkers investigation. *signature is not allowed on the EVE Online forums* |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
968
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Posted - 2014.07.16 00:45:00 -
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I would swap a super for a Guardian Vexor any day :D |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
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Posted - 2014.07.16 00:53:00 -
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Spurty wrote:Xercodo wrote:Better question, why in the flying **** would supers get removed? open up your own thread and ask
Incitement to create terrible threads should be a reportable offence "Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
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Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1971
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Posted - 2014.07.16 00:59:00 -
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Spurty wrote:Sentamon wrote:
EvE 2 from another company because this is the type of bonehead move mmos never recover from. Whoever wants this is trolling, crazy, or wants EvEto die.
Personally, I think the chances of it dying are grossly blown out of proportion. Subject for another thread I guess as this thread is about wondering what would be needed by the current owners to buy em back. Cash for clunkers investigation.
Yeah well lets all agree for a minute the supers are a problem and need removal, the sane way to deal with this is weakening them somehow or creating a class of easier to aquire ships that counter their power or ships that are specifially designed to destroy supers.
Flat out removal and refunds is just crazy talk. ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
Gallowmere Rorschach
Enlightened Industries Goonswarm Federation
436
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Posted - 2014.07.16 02:21:00 -
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Sentamon wrote:Spurty wrote:IF CCP removed all supers and titans from the game, what would you want to receive back to make you feel 'whole again'?
For example of an expected reply:
- FULL ISK returned - useless skill points returned to the pool - Characters docked high sec - Security status bumped up to -1.9 (if under)
Anything else you would need? EvE 2 from another company because this is the type of bonehead move mmos never recover from. Whoever wants this is trolling, crazy, or wants EvEto die. Spoken like a person who doesn't understand that even the coalitions that are the most saturated with supers realize just how **** they are. Blocs collect them because the only real counter to supers is having more of them than the other guy. |
Ocih
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
637
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Posted - 2014.07.16 02:25:00 -
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Just give me another one when they do a new mirror on test server.
Oh wait, you mean those silly fucks who actually own them on live?
They need a straight jacket. |
Alexa Coates
Space Wolves ind.
731
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Posted - 2014.07.16 02:54:00 -
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i love my archon.
i can dock it. That's a Templar, an Amarr fighter used by carriers. |
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Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1972
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Posted - 2014.07.16 03:37:00 -
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Gallowmere Rorschach wrote: Spoken like a person who doesn't understand that even the coalitions that are the most saturated with supers realize just how **** they are. Blocs collect them because the only real counter to supers is having more of them than the other guy.
I realize that removing supers would mean all the Goon F1 monkeys would overrun the rest of the universe with sheer numbers alone. It's the only reason your self serving leader made his laughable suggestion without addressing blobbing and power-projection. ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
Glathull
Warlock Assassins
444
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Posted - 2014.07.16 08:13:00 -
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If we do this, can we at least get some better threads in this forum? Turrents |
Grimpak
Shifting Sands Trader Cartel Bleak Horizon Alliance.
1722
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Posted - 2014.07.16 08:40:00 -
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it also has to be in diamond, yes a real living pony made of diamond, and we will call it Butt Stallion! [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |
Blobskillz McBlub
STAHLSTURM
7
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Posted - 2014.07.16 09:03:00 -
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Sentamon wrote:Gallowmere Rorschach wrote: Spoken like a person who doesn't understand that even the coalitions that are the most saturated with supers realize just how **** they are. Blocs collect them because the only real counter to supers is having more of them than the other guy.
I realize that removing supers would mean all the Goon F1 monkeys would overrun the rest of the universe with sheer numbers alone. It's the only reason your self serving leader made his laughable suggestion without addressing blobbing and power-projection.
supers are the core of the ridiculous power projection that's going on at the moment in EVE. Null sec devolved into the question of who has more supers which is just awful game design. while at the same time any low sec roam with a decent number of ships has to be prepared to get hot dropped by bored PL / CFC super pilots, because null sec became stale **** that is so easy to manage that two power blocs can control all of it. |
Nimrod vanHall
Martyr's Vengence Nulli Secunda
92
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Posted - 2014.07.16 10:37:00 -
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I dont want supers to be removed. But i do want a change for them. At the moment all other ships immume to e-war, dreads in siege, carriers in triage and marauders in bastion, get a benefit in some area's and deficits in others. Namely benefits immume to e-war, increased local tank, increase in effecting other ships (dps for triage, application for bastion, remote repping for triage). They also get several downsides. Immobile, immune to remote assistance(trackinglinks remote sensorboosts remote repping remote eccm remote captransfers)apart from this the modules have some unique properties like sieged dreads get a penalty to locked targets, carriers in triage lose the ability to command drones, bastioned marauders get imptoved resistance.
My suggestion for supers is give them a downside due to beeing immume to e-war, taken from the list above. Beeing immobile would be rediculess so thats out. But beeing immume to remore assistance would be a nice idea. It does mean that the local tank is utterly inadequate, thus it needs to be buffed. Taking carriers as a base with half cycle time and double amount repaired we need something better since the use the same capital mods but need a better tank then a triage carrier. My suggestion would be something like give supers a third of the cycle time for their reps and triple the amount repaird and give titans a quarter repair time and four times the amount healed. one of the things i like in capital fights is that there is on the cap warfare so supers and titans should be vulnerable to cap drain. And should be abled to recive captransfers.
i like remote ECM-bursts so w I ll not change them. I also like the current doomsday no change for them either.
Now to Titan bridging. This one is really hard, i have not figured out a way to keep it in the game in a changed way that deminishes powerprojection without invoking malcanis' Law.
just my 2 cents |
Aralyn Cormallen
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
532
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Posted - 2014.07.16 11:16:00 -
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Nimrod vanHall wrote:I dont want supers to be removed. But i do want a change for them. At the moment all other ships immume to e-war, dreads in siege, carriers in triage and marauders in bastion, get a benefit in some area's and deficits in others. Namely benefits immume to e-war, increased local tank, increase in effecting other ships (dps for triage, application for bastion, remote repping for triage). They also get several downsides. Immobile, immune to remote assistance(trackinglinks remote sensorboosts remote repping remote eccm remote captransfers)apart from this the modules have some unique properties like sieged dreads get a penalty to locked targets, carriers in triage lose the ability to command drones, bastioned marauders get imptoved resistance.
I've always thought Dreads are the most balanced Capital; they do what they do very well, but a lack of care, and take risks without back-up, and they are very, very, vulnerable. The other capitals have nowhere near the vulnerability, since they can do what they do without exposing themselves to anywhere near the degree of vulnerability (this is also where I feel Carriers go wrong, since Triage is nowhere near as essential for them to carry out their role as Seige is for a Dread). Were Titans to require a Seige module (no Bridge or Doomsday without it, and maybe give them back their blap capability in Seige), and Supers require a Triage module (can't launch bombers, and remote rep seriously curtailed without it), they suddenly leap up in vulnerability, since just being in a ball of remote rep doesn't render them invulnerable, and using them becomes a little more dangerous. |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
12321
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Posted - 2014.07.16 11:29:00 -
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Some other ship that cannot dock and costs a lot of ISK.
/c
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Emma Muutaras
State War Academy Caldari State
21
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Posted - 2014.07.16 11:41:00 -
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for argument sake lets say ccp removes supers and titans. what changes?
the era of the titan bridge is over. (good thing or bad thing) personally i think it would be a good thing to reduce force projection
but that is the only thing that will change.
instead of it being supers and titans it will be carriers and dreads both of which has like 10 times more hp than a battleship the only real difference being carriers and dreads are lot cheaper to instead of 100 supers u see 300 carriers.
i just don't see the point in removing supers |
Xercodo
Xovoni Astronautical Manufacturing and Engineering
3610
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Posted - 2014.07.16 16:26:00 -
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http://i.imgur.com/yI5Nm6d.gif The Drake is a Lie |
Prince Kobol
1968
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Posted - 2014.07.16 16:46:00 -
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Blobskillz McBlub wrote:Sentamon wrote:Gallowmere Rorschach wrote: Spoken like a person who doesn't understand that even the coalitions that are the most saturated with supers realize just how **** they are. Blocs collect them because the only real counter to supers is having more of them than the other guy.
I realize that removing supers would mean all the Goon F1 monkeys would overrun the rest of the universe with sheer numbers alone. It's the only reason your self serving leader made his laughable suggestion without addressing blobbing and power-projection. supers are the core of the ridiculous power projection that's going on at the moment in EVE. Null sec devolved into the question of who has more supers which is just awful game design. while at the same time any low sec roam with a decent number of ships has to be prepared to get hot dropped by bored PL / CFC super pilots, because null sec became stale **** that is so easy to manage that two power blocs can control all of it. make alliances work to keep their null sec systems, and not just the poor scrubs that get forced into doing the alliance logistics.
Bollocks.
Even if there were no Supers or Titans and just carrier and dreads, who other then current powers could withstand hundreds of carriers + dreads + support?
All that would happen is that if you removed Supers and Titans is that in a few months you will crying that Carriers and Dreads should be removed because its not fair that a group can field hundreds at a time, will have hundreds more in reserve and will be be able to replace any loses in days.
The issue is not Supers and Titans but the simple fact that in Eve as in most things numbers is one of the most important factors in any fight.
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/memberCount
Now tell me how many in the Top 20 alliances are not a member or blue to CFC/PL/NC
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