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admiral root
Red Galaxy
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Posted - 2014.10.13 20:42:00 -
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Roche Pso wrote:How you play a game says nothing about your moral values. Ganking someone in EVE is no different to bankrupting them in monopoly or checkmating them in chess. In fact, it is not as bad as those two things as it does not put them out of the game it simply returns them to the station where they can pick up and carry on
When you play other games do you always let your opponent win?
It's different if you do it in Eve because ~vague, wishy-washy, unspecificied reasons~.
No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff |
Trixie Lawless
Reasonable People
Of Sound Mind
87
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Posted - 2014.10.13 21:01:00 -
[902] - Quote
When you are l337 you don't need no stinking reasons. What you say goes! When you can kill a comet with a cynabal then your opinion matters. Amirite or amirite?!?!
#wtfpwnnubsl337watermelonbbq |
Dirk Magnum
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
375
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Posted - 2014.10.13 22:00:00 -
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It's pure projection when a "victim" of in game crime accuses the perpetrator of out of game moral or ethical lapses, or the inability to differentiate the real world from a game. I know for a fact that I despise suicide bombers, scammers, extortion, and market-fixing in the real world, but I don't care about it in the game because its a fantasy Internet spaceship game. Just because YOU can't help but replicate your out of game ethics or beliefs in game doesn't mean others can't split the fantasy from reality.
The game is a different world with different rules, like literally every other game.
-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á "LIVE FAST DIE."
- traditional Minmatar ethos [citation needed] |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space
The ROC
10060
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Posted - 2014.10.13 23:39:00 -
[904] - Quote
Dirk Magnum wrote:Just because YOU can't help but replicate your out of game ethics or beliefs in game doesn't mean others can't split the fantasy from reality.
The game is a different world with different rules, like literally every other game.
Very much this.
Carebears need to stop trying to inflict their own mental illness on everyone around them.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs. |
CALDARI CITIZEN 14330909
The Conference Elite
CODE.
492
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Posted - 2014.10.14 01:43:00 -
[905] - Quote
I would very much another Veers reply.
The giggles I would make can provide happiness for myself.
The Artist Formerly Known As AC.-á
The-áterminal end of the digestive system.-á |
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
162
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Posted - 2014.10.14 04:58:00 -
[906] - Quote
Lots of confusion as usual from the nerf highsec/ganker folks. Some examples:
1. Utilizing known exploits disallowed by the EULA - Titan bumping in a POS, evading CONCORD, etc.... essentially "cheating" to gain an unfair advantage in the game. Doing so certainly shows a deficit in moral values.
2. Using the game to do other bad stuff - harassment, doxing, etc..... Again, a moral values problem.
3. Margin trading scam, etc.... Doing something that you know is misleading, and CCP would fix if it had an easy way to do so. You use the market's appearance of legitimacy to hoodwink new players (vets don't fall for this) into buying worthless junk by posting fraudulent buy orders that you never intend to execute. It's the type of garbage that would 100% land you in jail if done in RL, and adds literally no value to the game. And so yes, doing garbage like that does show a certain lack of moral values. |
CALDARI CITIZEN 14330909
The Conference Elite
CODE.
495
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Posted - 2014.10.14 06:19:00 -
[907] - Quote
Veers Belvar wrote:Lots of confusion as usual from the nerf highsec/ganker folks. Some examples:
1. Utilizing known exploits disallowed by the EULA - Titan bumping in a POS, evading CONCORD, etc.... essentially "cheating" to gain an unfair advantage in the game. Doing so certainly shows a deficit in moral values.
2. Using the game to do other bad stuff - harassment, doxing, etc..... Again, a moral values problem.
3. Margin trading scam, etc.... Doing something that you know is misleading, and CCP would fix if it had an easy way to do so. You use the market's appearance of legitimacy to hoodwink new players (vets don't fall for this) into buying worthless junk by posting fraudulent buy orders that you never intend to execute. It's the type of garbage that would 100% land you in jail if done in RL, and adds literally no value to the game. And so yes, doing garbage like that does show a certain lack of moral values.
1: Bullet....
2:Points.
3: YES!
4a: Promote Synergy.
4b: Like a Boss.
5: ???
8.5: Profit.
The Artist Formerly Known As AC.-á
The-áterminal end of the digestive system.-á |
Kaea Astridsson
Yggdrasil Belators
Dirt Nap Squad.
129
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Posted - 2014.10.14 09:08:00 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Lots of confusion as usual from the nerf highsec/ganker folks.
You seem to be the only confused one in here if we're to be frank.
Veers Belvar wrote:1. Utilizing known exploits disallowed by the EULA - Titan bumping in a POS, evading CONCORD, etc.... essentially "cheating" to gain an unfair advantage in the game. Doing so certainly shows a deficit in moral values.
I assume you're referring to plain good ol' bumping here. Which in a post right here on same sub-forum been verified as a valid tactic, used in many places in this game. More so than in the process of ganking. Bumping someone INSIDE their own POS shield was however deemed an exploit. Just like evading CONCORD is, and people can can get banned for them.
Dodging faction police and players that don't have the balls to engage suspects, not an exploit.
Veers Belvar wrote:2. Using the game to do other bad stuff - harassment, doxing, etc..... Again, a moral values problem.
I'm sure there are scammers out there that have taken it too far so it might be labeled harassment. A scammer doxing someone, well that's probably first time I hear it mentioned. And guess what BOTH BANNABLE OFFENCES. Your definition of harassment however might need reviewing before taking the moral high ground.
Veers Belvar wrote:3. Margin trading scam, etc.... Doing something that you know is misleading, and CCP would fix if it had an easy way to do so. You use the market's appearance of legitimacy to hoodwink new players (vets don't fall for this) into buying worthless junk by posting fraudulent buy orders that you never intend to execute. It's the type of garbage that would 100% land you in jail if done in RL, and adds literally no value to the game. And so yes, doing garbage like that does show a certain lack of moral values.
Thing is, market scams does bring value to the game. And as been stated over and over - this is not a problem for new players so don't even bring that into the discussion. The victim had enough of isk to buy an item well beyond it's worth. Thought she could make quick spacebucks and failed. Pulling a scam off in a game, is not something reflecting your ethics in real life. |
Steppa Musana
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
229
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Posted - 2014.10.14 09:35:00 -
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There is nothing wrong with using game mechanics to gain an advantage over less intelligent or less savvy players. This is what we call "competition". In major sports, teams will always engage in tactics that walk the line to make themselves better. Some even cheat, lie, and use banned substances. This doesn't make them immoral, it makes them competitive people and it makes them those who aim to win.
This means if you recruit someone for the purpose of scamming them for ISK, there is nothing morally repugnant about that, as frustrating as the experience may be for the victim. It's frustrating to lose a sports game to a team who has found a loophole in the rules, and exploit you for it each time they can. It's frustrating to lose a sports game to an opponent who cheated when the ref wasn't looking. That doesn't make them bad people.
The only thing that lacks morality in EVE culture is tear harvesting. When you do things to other human beings for the purpose of eliciting a reaction out of them for your own enjoyment, you are either a bad and shameful human being or you are sick in the head. This scales upwards based on the perception you have of how the action will affect them. Simple forum troll? Not so bad, don't feel too ashamed. Convo after a gank for tears? You are a douche, sorry to say. Join their corp and pretend to be their friend for 2 weeks, only to kill them for tears? Seek help you freak.
Hey guys. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
20914
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Posted - 2014.10.14 11:05:00 -
[910] - Quote
Veers Belvar wrote:Lots of confusion as usual from the nerf highsec/ganker folks. Some examples:
1. Utilizing known exploits disallowed by the EULA - Titan bumping in a POS, evading CONCORD, etc.... essentially "cheating" to gain an unfair advantage in the game. Doing so certainly shows a deficit in moral values. Bannable offences
Quote:2. Using the game to do other bad stuff - harassment, doxing, etc..... Again, a moral values problem. Bannable offences
Quote:3. Margin trading scam, etc.... Doing something that you know is misleading, and CCP would fix if it had an easy way to do so. You use the market's appearance of legitimacy to hoodwink new players (vets don't fall for this) into buying worthless junk by posting fraudulent buy orders that you never intend to execute. It's the type of garbage that would 100% land you in jail if done in RL, and adds literally no value to the game. And so yes, doing garbage like that does show a certain lack of moral values. Bullshit.
The difference between a carebear and a bear is that one expects the world to revolve around them, the other accepts the world for what it is and works around it.
Nil mortifi sine lucre. |
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Roche Pso
Deltole Research Labs
3
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Posted - 2014.10.14 11:32:00 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:
3. Margin trading scam, etc.... .... It's the type of garbage that would 100% land you in jail if done in RL.
This just amazes me. Saying something shouldnt be allowed because it would land you in jail in real life.
if I undocked from my house and blew up my neighbour's car I am pretty sure the police would have something to say to me. So how come I can blow up a player's ship in EVE? Surely this shouldn't be allowed as it is exactly the type of garbage that would result in jail in RL? |
Solecist Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
10933
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Posted - 2014.10.14 11:42:00 -
[912] - Quote
Roche Pso wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:
3. Margin trading scam, etc.... .... It's the type of garbage that would 100% land you in jail if done in RL.
This just amazes me. Saying something shouldnt be allowed because it would land you in jail in real life. if I undocked from my house and blew up my neighbour's car I am pretty sure the police would have something to say to me. So how come I can blow up a player's ship in EVE? Surely this shouldn't be allowed as it is exactly the type of garbage that would result in jail in RL? *ROFL*
I am Sol. I cook my bacon naked.
New capsuleer in need of money? You hope there is more you can do
than mining or being a slave to an agent? THERE IS! Send me a mail! |
Trixie Lawless
Reasonable People
Of Sound Mind
88
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Posted - 2014.10.14 15:39:00 -
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None of you can argue with Swordmasters OK. That level of L337 is not obtainable through peer to peer gameplay. Only those that have conquered "the tiny red cross" technique, spreadsheets, docking up, and giving hugs to space police have the game experience, the guts, and the moral compass to become one with the forums.
All us scrubs need to step aside and let the real player tell us how this PvP game needs to be handled. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
5769
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Posted - 2014.10.14 16:03:00 -
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just a driveby reminder to stop and laugh  Veers Belvar wrote:
Incursions is the eltie PvE content of Eve....and often running incursions can be more challenging than fleet level PvP
Edit: boom, sniped top page.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
7436
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Posted - 2014.10.14 16:03:16 -
[915] - Quote
just a driveby reminder to stop and laugh Veers Belvar wrote:
Incursions is the eltie PvE content of Eve....and often running incursions can be more challenging than fleet level PvP
Edit: boom, sniped top page.
"I'm also quite confident that you are laughing
and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers."
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Kon Kre8r
Konz Korp
2
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Posted - 2014.12.13 21:40:37 -
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Giuseppe R Raimondo wrote:a way to reduce highsec ganking is to remove the option to turn in tags and buy your security status up. Everyone knew it was a stupied idea when introduced, i am supriced its still a thing
Exactly what I was looking for in here -- I see someone has said it -- So no, hi-sec ganking will never end...
This is exactly why I donate Free Frigs for Noobs -- Over 400 Tristans donated so far.
Even after a hacker managed to hack the Wallet System and Rob me of over 850 MIL ISK -- I simply made my futile request/notification for that Exploit to be closed.
And yet -- The Great days on EVE make it easier not to dwell on the Darn its! :) |
Alana Charen-Teng
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
445
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Posted - 2014.12.14 06:17:58 -
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13 nonames wrote:I would like to see a harder punishment set out for hi sec gankers such as a sec limiter put in place to make it so anyone with a -6 sec may no longer get into hi sec no more criminal driving around hi security space seeing as a so call advanced society would not have wanted criminal walking the street as well as a faster response time for concord and a new sytem put in place that makes it so the concord on your grid will aggress new and old criminals not just faction police
HAHA
The slovenly hordes of carebears demand one more nerf to highsec aggression, yet again! |
Alana Charen-Teng
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
445
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Posted - 2014.12.14 06:21:40 -
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Christian Lionbate wrote:OrcaAll becomes clear 
Gank complete. Wardecs incoming, I imagine. |
Jurico Elemenohpe
14th Legion
The Bloc
32
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Posted - 2014.12.14 08:02:27 -
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13 nonames wrote:Cannibal Kane wrote:Saar Ynier wrote:
They're not, but only one gank pays for them tags. One gank that nullifies the sec status loss of aver 20 ganks...
And please both of you note, I said I didnt have an issue with ganking and considering it myself, but it is far too easy to repair the sec status.
Really? I did not know 1 gank pays 400mil. Also, majority gankers are -10. They are little if at all concerned about their sec status. there is almost no restrictions on -10 pilots iv watched them drive bc/bs around hi sec like its an evening drive
So.. Because the highsec carebears aren't willing to fight bc/bs, CCP should stop them from accessing highsec? Riight. |
Capt Starfox
Northstar Cabal
Tactical Narcotics Team
799
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Posted - 2014.12.15 04:30:19 -
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13 nonames wrote:
there is almost no restrictions on -10 pilots iv watched them drive bc/bs around hi sec like its an evening drive
Not quite your "evening drive"; more like, "Holy shiiit there's a couple frigates on gate ufck! If they have a scram, someone's getting ******! Commmmoooon, align, align, align, alging, asoigno, glaingls. ****. ****. Okay. Sweet made it."
Sometimes it does end badly of course.. after-all we are flashy and everyone can kill us. It's a risk we're willing to take, what about you?
Abandon all hope ye who x up in fleet
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XeX Znndstrup
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2014.12.15 16:19:39 -
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No outlaw here will help you to find the solution to destroy them.
They will only show every good reason you to feel guilty to be an honest pilot.
They enjoy to attack the weakest.
The World will work like you will help him to work.
We are pained until deepest of the heart that these poor outlaws are living each day a so difficult life.
So pained that, more than in High Sec, we are convinced they must have this so difficult life everywhere in New Eden.
So pained that the best for everyone is to eradicate them.
Bounties will surely help.
Like this, not only he is under the prosecution of white knight bounty hunters, he will have to deal also with his villainous and untrustable brothers.
Help The Law and The Law will help you.
Amen.
"Long is the way, and hard, that out of hell leads up to light". John Milton, Lost Paradise.
Assassins will be punished by The Law. May their souls be cleansed by retaliatory fire and bounties prosecutions.
_The Law_channel
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Kaarous Aldurald
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
10818
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Posted - 2014.12.15 16:41:54 -
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XeX Znndstrup wrote:No outlaw here will help you to find the solution to destroy them.
Here, I'll do it.
Shoot them. Most of them are perma flashy, so it carries no consequence in doing so.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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admiral root
Red Galaxy
1993
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Posted - 2014.12.15 17:09:06 -
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XeX Znndstrup wrote:
Bounties will surely help.
Like this, not only he is under the prosecution of white knight bounty hunters, he will have to deal also with his villainous and untrustable brothers.
Help The Law and The Law will help you.
Amen.
I commend you on your staggeringly terrible understanding of the bounty system.
No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff | No-one hates you, none of us care enough for that.
Sabriz for CSM
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Ned Thomas
Hellbound Turkeys
Alliance of Abandoned Cybernetic Rejects
473
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Posted - 2014.12.15 17:17:53 -
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XeX Znndstrup wrote:No outlaw here will help you to find the solution to destroy them.
I'd challenge that most people in C&P will gladly spell out in explicit detail how to thwart their efforts.
Vote Sabriz!
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CODE Agent AC
The Conference Elite
CODE.
870
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Posted - 2015.01.06 08:39:52 -
[925] - Quote
To answer all the previous questions:
Six and One Third.
C
The Magna Carta.
B
11.2
none of the above
and finally,
Sure, it's fun and I enjoy it.
PS: Bonus answer is permit purchase.
(YES this post is intentional)
The Artist Formerly Known As AC.
The terminal end of the digestive system.
The Best CSM Candidate
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CALDARI CITIZEN 14330909
The Conference Elite
CODE.
874
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Posted - 2015.01.06 08:39:52 -
[926] - Quote
To answer all the previous questions:
Six and One Third.
C
The Magna Carta.
B
11.2
none of the above
and finally,
Sure, it's fun and I enjoy it.
PS: Bonus answer is permit purchase.
(YES this post is intentional)
The Artist Formerly Known As AC.
The terminal end of the digestive system.
The Best CSM Candidate
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Jerry T Pepridge
Meta Game Analysis and Investment INC.
299
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Posted - 2015.01.06 10:21:14 -
[927] - Quote
posting in a necro'd code circle jerk thread |
Yang Aurilen
The Mjolnir Bloc
The Bloc
610
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Posted - 2015.01.06 10:48:09 -
[928] - Quote
Giuseppe R Raimondo wrote:a way to reduce highsec ganking is to remove the option to turn in tags and buy your security status up. Everyone knew it was a stupied idea when introduced, i am supriced its still a thing
An even more stupid idea. It'll just make gankers stay -10.0 forever which is what is happening right now.
Post with your NPC alt main and not your main main alt!
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Kaely Tanniss
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
154
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Posted - 2015.01.10 09:18:57 -
[929] - Quote
13 nonames wrote:I would like to see a harder punishment set out for hi sec gankers such as a sec limiter put in place to make it so anyone with a -6 sec may no longer get into hi sec no more criminal driving around hi security space seeing as a so call advanced society would not have wanted criminal walking the street as well as a faster response time for concord and a new sytem put in place that makes it so the concord on your grid will aggress new and old criminals not just faction police
O...M....G... Is this STILL a focus point for people. Eve is what it is...love it or leave it. If you have such "grand ideas for the perfect game", go create it..let the rest of us play EVE without the complaining..tyvm
If I had a nickel for every time someone said women don't play eve, I'd have a bag of nickels to whack the next person who said it..
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412nv Yaken
The Conference Elite
CODE.
260
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Posted - 2015.01.10 09:36:08 -
[930] - Quote
Would be interested to kmow if op is still playing or has rage quit yet.
A True Champion of High Security Space
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