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Terraform
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Posted - 2006.07.03 13:18:00 -
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Which race is the most advanced? and how would you make a list to show the hierarchy of the races and their technological state?
i was thinking maybe something like:
1. Jove
2. Caldari
3. Gallente
4. Amarr
5. Minmatar
also if you have any information on the different branches of each race like the Khanid, add them to your list too :)
thanks in advance.
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Viktor Fyretracker
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Posted - 2006.07.03 15:21:00 -
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its speculation about the Jove honestly as we dont know if they have continued progressing.
as for the active empires id say the caldari are the most advanced based on storyline the Amarr are too full of themselves to think they need upgrades(imo tech is their main reason to ally with the Caldari, they would rather have us a friend then an enemy as a Fleet(or would it be wing?) of Ravens over Amarr prime would be bad) and the Gallente Navy has been suffering budget cuts.
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Sadayiel
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Posted - 2006.07.03 18:20:00 -
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from my personal toughts right now it's:
1. jove
2. caldari
3. gallente
4. ammar
5. minmattar
Jove never suffered the massive lost in knowledge when the eve gate closed so they are the top technology out there for sure.
Caldari they are the most advanced even in combat philosophy even in ships designs due their previous contacts with the jove, also the mega-crop design from caldari society forces them to walk a steap ahead their adversaries everytime.
Gallente/ammar this both races are so equal in technology develop following both similar design for ship resistances, the difference just came in their weaponry while ammar uses the lasers, gallente sticks to the hybrid, the real diference becomes in the forced gallente design about drones, it's due this field when they step ahead on ammar technology mostly due Ammar still remain in their old traditions slowling their technology advances (wich not means they lack the knowledge just their traditions slow the current design spread)
minmmatar it's the less technology one but not the weaker one the minmmatar focus more in the efficiency design than in the technological ones, easy to understand when you see their ships, even with such crappy look every ship accomplish his basis design superb, also the last develop and design race leading to capital ships, has show the minmmatar innovation as one of the most important in the upcoming years.
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Terraform
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Posted - 2006.07.03 18:23:00 -
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Edited by: Terraform on 03/07/2006 18:25:00
but what about small factions like the Khanids? IIRC the Khanids have superior technology vs. the traditional Amarr fleet, as they continued the development on the old Amarr warship-designs? or am i just babbling here?
Now that we have motherships, Carriers and Titans, i have a feeling that the other races aren't that far behind the Jove in the technology department.
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Daestra
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Posted - 2006.07.03 23:11:00 -
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I doubt that we are at level with the Jovians. The current races were for the most part thrown back into times even less technologically advanced that current day earth. Over 20k some odd years we've grown to what we are. The Jovians if I understand correctly, didn't get thrown back, and so have had a whole lot more time to advance than we have.
Since so little is known about Jovians I don't think we can guess based only on that fact that we can build ships as big as theirs that we're as advanced as they. I'm sure Jovian space is full of wonders and secrets. Sorta their whole point 
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Wanoah
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Posted - 2006.07.04 01:10:00 -
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Hmm, interesting.
It sounds obvious, but the races have different strengths and weaknesses. The Caldari have the best shields, but they are no better than the Gallente when it comes to railguns. They aren't too hot at making the battleships move very fast, either.
The Amarr are the undisputed kings of the armour tank. They also have numerical superiority and disposable cannon fodder in the form of slaves.
As for the Jove, well, their frigates can wtfpwn our battleships, so they win the tech race.
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Daestra
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Posted - 2006.07.04 03:55:00 -
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Maybe when looking at technology levels we should tend towards looking past ship building, though that's the only thing we really have to go on from gameplay and prime fiction :/
In the space race I'd say that all races are pretty equal. I'm sure it's common practice to steal design ideas from others and improve on them/change them for each race's taste.
The fun question would be, how does the technology level of a the average gallente's day to day live compare to that of an Amarr? A minmatar? Not pod pilots, but your every day person.
Example: Your average gallente women has small cleaning drones that sweep her kitchen floor once a day. Your average minmatar woman doesn't have access to this or sees it as frivalous or lazy and prefers to do it herself by hand.
Do the levels of technology and reliance upon it cross the racial boundaries or no?
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Sadayiel
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Posted - 2006.07.04 15:20:00 -
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well my point of view it's the use technology mostly for common.
since jove can't be discused about their technology, caldari are extremely similar to jove toughts on develop, make posible the maximum efficiency with the less personel posible , this added to the aggresive caldari society.
gallente after the caldari war are developing new technology to counterpart, but their kind of society not prime those develops like caldari (justimagine gallents are average european country while caldari are like japan, the different societies make the diference)
For ammar and minmmatar both are very rooted in their traditions, while ammar still have an awesome technology develop when they focus their slave traditions make them a bit passive.
Meanwhile minmmatar traditions are even less focused in technology, so i guess minmmatar throw all his ideas in the ship design,wich show an awesome develop from their old vessels.
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2006.07.04 15:22:00 -
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Edited by: Istvaan Shogaatsu on 04/07/2006 15:23:02
Jovians come a distant second. The most advanced race is... well, you'll find out ;)
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Sadayiel
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Posted - 2006.07.04 15:36:00 -
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well of course i forgot the one mentioned for first time by the joves in theodicy.
*thx for the remind istvaan *
So far if we stuck to the basis top advances would be old earth (may be valid terrans word? ) and that strange race mentioned by joves (wich remind me a short tale from isaac asimov about the human evolution) so far both remain in mysterious, until jove space it's open and the history keeps going on =)
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Cortana Raven
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Posted - 2006.07.06 02:36:00 -
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Of course this is for game balance reasons, but realistically, it would be unreasonable for the four races to be so closely matched in technology levels. (The differences between them are more strengths/weaknesses rather than outright technological disparity.)
It just seems wierd for a militaristic, technocratic society and a liberal democracy (two systems which tend to promote science and technology) to be so closely matched up with a religious fundamentalism and recently freed slaves still living under a tribal system (governments which tend to strongly repress technological progress).
To make matters worse, the Caldari and Gallente, while enemies, have for most of their history been culturally intertwined. Historically, this has promoted accelerated tech development. They even outright worked together at times, see Creliere or Caldari working at CreoDron.
On the opposite side, the Amarr continue happily repressing the subjubated Minmatar slave population, which if anything should encourage stagnation.
One could make an argument for the Amarr that since they are the largest and oldest of the races, their size and experience in rediscovering old Earth technology helps them keep up, even if their society impedes progress and innovation.
I don't see any story-wise reason for the Minmatar to be as advanced as they are, though.
Fortunately the game manages to be (mostly) balanced while still maintaining the "backstory" perception of technology level, where Caldari > Gallente > Amarr > Minmatar.
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Yoshito Sanders
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Posted - 2006.07.06 08:00:00 -
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Most of the Minmatar are using technology stolen from the Amarrians or given to them by the Gallenteans, then pasting in their own tech.
Projectile weapons, for example, are much lower tech than hybrids. It's only for game balance that they are capable of inflicting the same amount of damage.
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Daestra
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Posted - 2006.07.06 10:37:00 -
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Also keep in mind that the common image of the Amarr desending on a peaceful bunch of tribal nomads is a common misconception. At the time of the arival of the Amarr the Matari had managed space flight and had colonized the worlds in their system if I remember right. They had technology of their own design which surpasses modern day earth, if I remember my PF correctly.
After contact with the Amarr for a thousand years, in which I'm sure slaves were used for various technology jobs, the mysterious 'supplier of weapons' just before the revolution, freedom of their own and the help of Gallente allies after the creation of the Republic there isn't any reason that the minmatar should be so far behind the rest. On a social and economic scale certainly, a thousand years of slavery and genocide will do that to you ;) But technology with the level of contact had between the four nations should be pretty shared across the board.
And it is, matri ships might look like they're held together with duct tape but they'll take a shiney amarr ship as easily as any phalic Gallente one will blow up the same gold plated ship :P
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Celedris
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Posted - 2006.07.08 01:40:00 -
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With their strange ship designs and zombie-cloning technology, I'd rank the Sansha's near the top of the list with Caldari.
Just read the description on the phantasm...
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Sadayiel
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Posted - 2006.07.08 03:42:00 -
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sansha it's a kind of self psychotic develop of a caldari merchant with implatns for better slaves... mixing ammar and caldari tech but TBH all those tech data from years before even the first tech 2 ships out.
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Viktor Fyretracker
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Posted - 2006.07.08 04:06:00 -
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Amarr are held back though, their fleet is aging as they think their god will allways be there to make their ships compairable to the latest thing rolling from a Caldari factory.
of course EVE is also like reality and you can bet each empire has a CIA or MI6 type unit that spies on the other. or in the case of the caldari each corperation spies on the other empires and eachother.
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Balklanac
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Posted - 2006.07.08 21:46:00 -
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 Originally by: Sadayiel
well of course i forgot the one mentioned for first time by the joves in theodicy.
*thx for the remind istvaan *
So far if we stuck to the basis top advances would be old earth (may be valid terrans word? ) and that strange race mentioned by joves (wich remind me a short tale from isaac asimov about the human evolution) so far both remain in mysterious, until jove space it's open and the history keeps going on =)
Could you pretty plz tell me what page is that little detail on in theodicy.
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Lady Explosion
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Posted - 2006.07.09 08:21:00 -
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Edited by: Lady Explosion on 09/07/2006 08:25:13
Originally by: Balklanac
Originally by: Sadayiel
well of course i forgot the one mentioned for first time by the joves in theodicy.
*thx for the remind istvaan *
So far if we stuck to the basis top advances would be old earth (may be valid terrans word? ) and that strange race mentioned by joves (wich remind me a short tale from isaac asimov about the human evolution) so far both remain in mysterious, until jove space it's open and the history keeps going on =)
Could you pretty plz tell me what page is that little detail on in theodicy.
You should read it, it's an awesome story.
Anyways, I'll try digging it up for you.
EDIT: Well, i found a few lines on page 168.
Trying to find more.
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Sadayiel
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Posted - 2006.07.09 17:15:00 -
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page 71-82 and 101 to 101 to 105 for the general knowdledge about them.
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Balklanac
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Posted - 2006.07.10 01:40:00 -
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thanks
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Imiarr Timshae
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Posted - 2006.07.11 14:51:00 -
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Nice thread.
For those of you that think that the Jovians are not the top of technology, it is plain fact you are either being deceptive, or you are yourself decieved.
I have seen the attribuites for the Eidolon. The Jovians will rule the space-lanes.
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Sadayiel
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Posted - 2006.07.11 15:29:00 -
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Originally by: Imiarr Timshae
Nice thread.
For those of you that think that the Jovians are not the top of technology, it is plain fact you are either being deceptive, or you are yourself decieved.
I have seen the attribuites for the Eidolon. The Jovians will rule the space-lanes.
i would request a further explanation, if you mean about the current know races in game then you are right (jove-caldari-gallente-ammar-minmmatar)
if you mean in the whole background with all the chronicles and short storys written, then i suggest you read theocity, where a "jove" dare to say they are nothing compared to the ennheduani
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Imiarr Timshae
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Posted - 2006.07.11 22:30:00 -
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I am saying, if there was a war between the races in Eve right now, i would put my money on the Jovians.
The Enigma frigate alone would be a force to be reckoned with.
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Bael Don'adur
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Posted - 2006.07.14 02:37:00 -
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Originally by: Balklanac
Could you pretty plz tell me what page is that little detail on in theodicy.
I will do you one better, they are called the enheduanni, and they scare the jovians. What does that tell you?
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Pax Althaleen
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.14 20:02:00 -
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The above stated - We as a Community only have this Comment by the Jovians about the "Enheduanni" right ?
Whoa - They must be pretty Impressive then...
BTW - Has anyone seen a Jovian, or a Jovian Ship, or for that matter - Been to Jovian Space ?
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Arron S
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.17 12:47:00 -
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Edited by: Arron S on 17/07/2006 12:48:57
1.Jove
<Big nber tech gap>
2.Gallente and Caldari
4. Angel Cartel
5. Amarr
6. Minmatar.
Should be noted that Minmatar ships are very effective ships. When in the hands of an experianced pilot.
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magnus amadeus
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Posted - 2006.08.22 06:58:00 -
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Why does everyone assume that the Amarr are near the low end of the tech train? If you look at the timelines, they were the first to re-discover warp drives and invent jump drive technology. If anything I would think they are not held back by religion and "thinking god will make them better."
Of course the jovians kicked thier butts and are much more advanced, but I do not think they are less advanced than gallente, well at least in navigational tech.
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Mitsurugii
Amarr
Industries of Temptation
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Posted - 2006.08.25 16:08:00 -
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I hate to say it but i think one of the above views were correct,the Amarrians were the most technologically advanced race(Removing the jove from the equation) but got complacent...A little civil war with us khannids livened them up a little for a while and now they need khannid engineers more than ever to stay competative.Technology is only half the equation when you factor in sheer numbers and ferocity.. ie:Minmatar.
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Cree Austinteen
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Posted - 2006.08.25 22:32:00 -
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what about the sleepers etc.
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Majin82
Caldari
Sammael's Legion
Arkhangelos Command
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Posted - 2006.08.26 20:08:00 -
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From what we have been able to read and learn about the world of EVE.
The Technology ranks are this:
1. Enheduanni
2. Jove
3. Caldari
4. Amarr
5. Gallente
6. Minmatar
The Enheduanni "scared" the Jovians
The Jovians were able to destroy a fleet of Amarr with 1 ship.
The Gallente see the Amarrians as a bigger threat than the Caldari.
The Caldari were able to reverse engineer the tech of old earth and do a lot fo trading with the Jove.
The Minmatar were and some still are slaves of the Amarr.
So knowing basic facts about the races, you can see where I get my idea from.
Of Course the Tarrens (people of Earth) must be far more advance than even the Enheduanni or maybe they are not?
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Graelyn
Amarr
The Aeternus Crusade
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Posted - 2006.08.27 10:03:00 -
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The Jove forces at the battle of Vak'Atioth was much more than one ship.
I would also argue that CONCORD, as a hybid of all the race's tech, are pretty high up there.
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Sadayiel
Caldari
Tropical Killer Bananas
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Posted - 2006.08.27 15:01:00 -
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yep at vah akioth Joves used a mothership (wich is a kind of titan ) and a massive frigate fleet.
The frigates keep on hold the ammar fleet while the mothership destroyed 1 by 1 the Bs with a single shoot each.
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Posted - 2006.09.14 20:45:00 -
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From what I have seen in ship building technology, jove are obviously at the top.
the Enheduanni are not necessarily a technological threat so much as a very well placed logistical one and really are not quantifiable factor in the politics of EVEit self...not a visibly attributable one anyhow.
Caldari: advanced in energy field manipulation and long range combat, as well as users of missile technology. Maximize the use of their capacitors.
Gallente: advanced in particle field enginering and on a similar level of metallurgy with Amarr.
Minmatar: Speedy for the most part, efficient designs that mimimize the use of capcitor reserves for combat, tech level 2 ships have highest base resistances and shield generation is more advanced than Caldari at this level.
Amarr: Tried and true systems. Most advanced metallurgy out of all the races save Jovians. Least advanced weaponry of the races. Lasers are distinctly worse than kinetic weapons except to remove a cataract from a Brutor's eye... (and even then, their base EM resists might prevent that frombeing effective ;)) Amarr have the second most advanced combat drone program in EVE thanks to a recent upgrade of the Arbitrator cruiser as well as a new focus on tracking disrupting.
The Amarr alliance with the Caldari state will undoubtedly result in a large technology exchange on both sides. Once the Amarr Empire chooses a new Emperor matters will certianly move ahead. The Caldari are stable politically as all their metaphorical eggs are not in one also metaphorical basket. Quite possibly the Caldari are holding the Amarr Empire together economically ever since the assassination. Though together they might be a stronger political force than the Gallente/Minmatar pact.
The Gallente/Minmatar Alliance has resulted in a net loss to the more advanced Gallente so far. Minmatar gained new war fighting technology, funding, and access to Gallente space. Gallente get a balooning budget, overpopulation of Minmatar ex-patriots and refugees along with unity problems in the Placid Region.
Each side has some destabilizing political events that may weigh heavily on the ability of each society to cope. Caldari can leverage tech the most effectively but Minmatar can exploit the sympathy vote.
I would give Mimatar the actual edge in technological development as the Gallente are actively subsidizing the Mimatar military industrial complex.
Caldari might be able to deliver accurate fire from long range, but only Minmatar can deliver a single shot payload capable of annihilating a battleship.
Caldari strategy however is superior to Minmatar and might equalize the technological gap.
Gallente and Caldari are still roughly equal
Amarr are now significantly behind the Minmatar and unless a major societal change happens, slow and steady will not win the race.
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Yoshito Sanders
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.09.15 08:05:00 -
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Considering the Jove use lasers on their ships, I'd hardly say that lasers are the least advanced weapons.
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Karl Shade
FinFleet
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.09.15 14:34:00 -
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Originally by: Imiarr Timshae
I am saying, if there was a war between the races in Eve right now, i would put my money on the Jovians.
The Enigma frigate alone would be a force to be reckoned with.
The enigma isnŠt jovian though.
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Jon Engel
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Posted - 2006.09.15 16:50:00 -
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Id put the 4 playable races in the order of most advanced as.
Caldari Gallente, both relatively equal in technology, just the Gallente military is underfunded and a constitutional democracy dosnt usually allow for militarization of an economy in all but except the most extreme cases. Such as America in WWII.
Amarr. Aging rusting hulks of scrap is the bulk of the Amarr fleet.
Minmitar. Despite the usefullness of there ships, theyre not all that advanced.
At the top you have the Jovians.
The most advanced ships available in the game would be the Angel Cartel, IMO.
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Viktor Fyretracker
Caldari
Worms Corp
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Posted - 2006.09.18 13:16:00 -
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angels aint that advanced, their explosive damage weapons can barely break the tank on a Ferox.
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