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Trajanus Caesar
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2014.07.27 21:46:00 -
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Can a dreadnought, the Revelation for example, hit battleships or battle/cruisers relatively well (while not in siege mode)? What I take from its description is if you go into siege mode you can only hit structures and other capitals.
But I'm thinking that a Revelation in siege mode trying to hit a battlecruiser is the same as a cruiser trying to hit a frigate, more misses than hits. So maybe that's not the case if not in siege mode. "Veni, vidi, vici" -Julius Caesar
"I came, I saw, I conquered."
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J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
4205
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Posted - 2014.07.27 22:06:00 -
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Even in siege, it IS possible. If the BS / BC pilot is a ****** and is flying straight into the barrel of that oversized gun (aka no transversal).
If they keep up transversal, and you don't need much for a dread and even less for a sieged one, they are very hard to hit. So, basically a dread is good for shooting slow or stationary things aka capitals and structures. Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy
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Trajanus Caesar
24th Imperial Crusade
9
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Posted - 2014.07.27 22:19:00 -
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J'Poll wrote:Even in siege, it IS possible. If the BS / BC pilot is a ****** and is flying straight into the barrel of that oversized gun (aka no transversal).
If they keep up transversal, and you don't need much for a dread and even less for a sieged one, they are very hard to hit. So, basically a dread is good for shooting slow or stationary things aka capitals and structures.
Lmao! I like your brand of intel. Its informative with humor tucked in "Veni, vidi, vici" -Julius Caesar
"I came, I saw, I conquered."
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J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
4206
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Posted - 2014.07.27 22:22:00 -
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Trajanus Caesar wrote:J'Poll wrote:Even in siege, it IS possible. If the BS / BC pilot is a ****** and is flying straight into the barrel of that oversized gun (aka no transversal).
If they keep up transversal, and you don't need much for a dread and even less for a sieged one, they are very hard to hit. So, basically a dread is good for shooting slow or stationary things aka capitals and structures. Lmao! I like your brand of intel. Its informative with humor tucked in
You know why I know it...I was one of those retards that tried it. Never considered that a stealth bomber with no transversal WILL be hit by a sieged dread.
And I can tell you, it hurts like hell when he does hit you. Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy
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Trajanus Caesar
24th Imperial Crusade
9
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Posted - 2014.07.27 22:48:00 -
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J'Poll wrote:Trajanus Caesar wrote:J'Poll wrote:Even in siege, it IS possible. If the BS / BC pilot is a ****** and is flying straight into the barrel of that oversized gun (aka no transversal).
If they keep up transversal, and you don't need much for a dread and even less for a sieged one, they are very hard to hit. So, basically a dread is good for shooting slow or stationary things aka capitals and structures. Lmao! I like your brand of intel. Its informative with humor tucked in You know why I know it...I was one of those retards that tried it. Never considered that a stealth bomber with no transversal WILL be hit by a sieged dread. And I can tell you, it hurts like hell when he does hit you.
I shall take your word for it. But would like to try it out one day just so I can recall your post and more "Veni, vidi, vici" -Julius Caesar
"I came, I saw, I conquered."
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Sabriz Adoudel
Mission BLITZ
3279
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Posted - 2014.07.27 23:34:00 -
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Trajanus Caesar wrote:Can a dreadnought, the Revelation for example, hit battleships or battle/cruisers relatively well (while not in siege mode)? What I take from its description is if you go into siege mode you can only hit structures and other capitals.
But I'm thinking that a Revelation in siege mode trying to hit a battlecruiser is the same as a cruiser trying to hit a frigate, more misses than hits. So maybe that's not the case if not in siege mode.
Generally you need massive support to hit a battleship that is being piloted by someone with half a brain.
'Massive support' might include a Vindicator on-grid providing two 90% webs (which due to EVE math reduces the battleship's speed to just over 2% of baseline speed).
One thing that is often overlooked is the 2000m 'signature resolution' stat on capital weapons. This means they suffer additional tracking penalties against anything with a 'signature radius' under 2000m. Battleship baseline sigrad is about 400m (increased if the ship is using certain shield tank modules/rigs that increase sigrad, dramatically increased if a MWD is active), so under normal conditions, the tracking is 5 times worse than you might have otherwise thought it was.
'Signature/Speed Tanking' (having sigrad much lower than the opponent's sigres and having higher angular speed than their tracking) is definitely a strong defense for a battleship against a dread, but it is not an idiot-proof defence. An idiot in a battleship - or even a smaller ship - can still manage to get themselves killed by a dreadnought. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=346564 - a proposal to overhaul the Logistics skill https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. www.minerbumping.com - ganking miners and causing chaos |
SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
1032
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Posted - 2014.07.28 02:47:00 -
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2ti9DFeRMI
It is, occasionally, hilarious. "Help, I'm bored with missions!"
http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
346
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Posted - 2014.07.28 03:11:00 -
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Armor tanked Bellicose with 2 TP's and a web can help make your dread out of siege rather effective v.s. BS's.
Something has to point them anyway. Might as well be something that gets your damage to land. |
Trajanus Caesar
24th Imperial Crusade
9
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Posted - 2014.07.28 03:34:00 -
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SurrenderMonkey wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2ti9DFeRMI
It is, occasionally, hilarious.
I tried to follow the lingo but its lost to me. Impressed to see those XL weapons hitting and almost instantly KOing targets in one salvo. The music just made it more funny "Veni, vidi, vici" -Julius Caesar
"I came, I saw, I conquered."
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Trajanus Caesar
24th Imperial Crusade
9
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Posted - 2014.07.28 03:35:00 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote:Trajanus Caesar wrote:Can a dreadnought, the Revelation for example, hit battleships or battle/cruisers relatively well (while not in siege mode)? What I take from its description is if you go into siege mode you can only hit structures and other capitals.
But I'm thinking that a Revelation in siege mode trying to hit a battlecruiser is the same as a cruiser trying to hit a frigate, more misses than hits. So maybe that's not the case if not in siege mode. Generally you need massive support to hit a battleship that is being piloted by someone with half a brain. 'Massive support' might include a Vindicator on-grid providing two 90% webs (which due to EVE math reduces the battleship's speed to just over 2% of baseline speed). One thing that is often overlooked is the 2000m 'signature resolution' stat on capital weapons. This means they suffer additional tracking penalties against anything with a 'signature radius' under 2000m. Battleship baseline sigrad is about 400m (increased if the ship is using certain shield tank modules/rigs that increase sigrad, dramatically increased if a MWD is active), so under normal conditions, the tracking is 5 times worse than you might have otherwise thought it was. 'Signature/Speed Tanking' (having sigrad much lower than the opponent's sigres and having higher angular speed than their tracking) is definitely a strong defense for a battleship against a dread, but it is not an idiot-proof defence. An idiot in a battleship - or even a smaller ship - can still manage to get themselves killed by a dreadnought.
Thank you for the indepthtitude :) "Veni, vidi, vici" -Julius Caesar
"I came, I saw, I conquered."
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Luwc
Biohazard. WINMATAR.
186
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Posted - 2014.07.28 06:36:00 -
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Google : "Blap Dread" http://hugelolcdn.com/i/267520.gif |
Baneken
Arctic Light Inc. Arctic Light
292
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Posted - 2014.07.28 07:02:00 -
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Also do note that the video was on fast forward (as usual) so things died 10x faster then usual but only real way to actually die on a dread is to not have a high enough transversal as pretty much anything with low enough sig and over 70m/s transversal is about immune to a dread, sieged or not. |
Delt0r Garsk
Sanctuary of Shadows Honorable Third Party
146
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Posted - 2014.07.28 08:36:00 -
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Typically when dreads are going to take on BS, they are normally a "tracking dread". So you compromise a few other things with the fit. But they can mostly still get close to 2 shots per BS.
However without some subcap support, the dreads are probably going to die. Esculation! Death and Glory!
Well fun is also good. |
Baneken
Arctic Light Inc. Arctic Light
292
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Posted - 2014.07.28 08:45:00 -
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Speaking of escalation we had a funny one with 1 moros and 4 carriers in a WH neither side could kill anyone, aside from our newbie BB-pilot who incidentally forgot his transversial ... .
We had a fleet of only 20 since they managed to collapse the hole but with 20 cruisers, a single bhaal, logis and some dps it was pretty much a stalemate that could had gone forever. |
Logan Joriksa
Brotherhood of Heart and Steel The Bastion
42
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Posted - 2014.07.29 08:27:00 -
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There was this one incident. Anything is possible. Part of the Ship, Part of the Crew. |
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