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Major Trant
CTRL-Q Iron Oxide.
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Posted - 2014.07.29 15:23:00 -
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I have received complaints that my OP is biased towards the Minmatar POV. I do apologise if this is the case. People who know me will tell you that I always try to give a fair and balanced view.
Thus in the interests of correcting any balance issues I offer you this link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGoukavPXww
I would request that the Amarr stop complaining. Please try to remember that you opened this can of worms.
Now... please bend over, the Minmatar haven't finished shoving. CTRL-Q - Minmatar FW - Low Sec PvP - Euro TZ - New Player Friendly Contact: Major Trant In game channel: FeO Public Recruitment thread: CTRL-Q |
Rahelis
Viziam Amarr Empire
91
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Posted - 2014.07.29 16:43:00 -
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Every POV is biased - so I respect MTs tale of the burn houla campaign. MTs story adds content to EVE - and that is what faction warfare is about. Every man has to stand for his own opinion.
Some facts from an insider:
-The campaign started one month before schedule. After the inital command meeting (I attended on TS) the attack was begun with a the mere prep time of 24 hours.
-We sold nearly all our stuff and mobilzed the corp (AVNG) with about 4-6 active pilots. Compare this to Unternehmen Barbarossa - that attack was stalled six weeks, so the assault forces had to fight an an early beginning winter. I want to point out that a rush is not optimal when timing is of the essence. So Barbarossa failed - with advance troops in the suburbs of the emeny capital. The same happend in burn huola.
-The amarr miltia - mostly Biohazard and AVNG attacked and fought against the full weight of the scrambling minmatar milita, a gal expedition force (big respect for your gals effort on field and in command) and local pirate entities- PL etc.
-Neutrals helped us - Misty in the first place. Most neutrals fought us.
Who ever dared and did that in FW? - Nobody.
-This all out assault was done only because of one reason: Boredom about the dead warzone. Some of our pilots had no fun playing EVe any more and wanted to do one last thing before quitting the game.
-The attack force did break from the inside - some agreements that were made at the command meeting were not met. Many allies did not show - due to the rush and some unneccesary diplomatic incidents. Some "allies" even avoxed the amarr milita.
-Many facts that AVNG command pointed out to their allies where not recieved - until the **** started flying.
Nevertheless - Burn Huola was the biggest fun I had in Eve since the Bos campaign.
I would engage in an offensive like this any time again - I burned some 4 bil in about 90 hour fighting and made 400-500 kms.
Exact numbers are hard to tell.
The funny thing - even in a game like EVE "history" is distorted and bent, so any historian has a hell of a job even to get a glimpse about what happend.
As I posted before: 07 to all who fought in the burn huola campaign! |
Zen Guerrilla
CTRL-Q Iron Oxide.
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Posted - 2014.07.29 17:34:00 -
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Rahelis wrote:-We sold nearly all our stuff and mobilzed the corp (AVNG) with about 4-6 active pilots. Compare this to Unternehmen Barbarossa - that attack was stalled six weeks, so the assault forces had to fight an an early beginning winter. I want to point out that a rush is not optimal when timing is of the essence. So Barbarossa failed - with advance troops in the suburbs of the emeny capital. The same happend in burn huola. You're really comparing your advance with Hitlers invasion of russia?
I know you're a lunatic plus you're playing a spacerace of religious slaver zealots but you might want to rethink that analogy. Because you're ****** in it.
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Rahelis
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
92
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Posted - 2014.07.29 18:05:00 -
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Zen - that is military history.
England refered to Napoleon simply as "the monster" in the times of the napoleonic wars. That was propaganda. Napoleon may threw europe into an unequalled war at his time - but he also was the man that broke many ppl form the old yokes. German law to this day has many remnants of napoleonic laws, called "code civil".
I know you are german - the Unternehmen Barbarossa took place and it was the biggest assault in known history.
It failed - barely - I know, in Germany ppl do not talk and think much about recent history (I live in Germany).
In England ppl think otherwise, and military history is part of daily life.
Also nive style to insult me for posting here - I did not create the Amarr as content - blame CCP for that - start thinking.
If you pod someone in EVE you simulate the act of killing - this is a war game, after all.
The huola campaign was content is EVE - in a war game - faction war is a game of war.
If you do not like that - start mining, bro. |
Christine Peeveepeeski
The Imperial Fedaykin Amarrian Commandos
647
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Posted - 2014.07.29 18:05:00 -
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from a tactics perspective why would you not recall those used by the ****'s? There morale and ethical reasoning was ****** up no doubt but their military strategy is worth learning from if you are into that kind fo thing.
Oh but wait, space **** makes better trolling :) |
Rahelis
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
92
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Posted - 2014.07.29 18:21:00 -
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Shelling ppl is never humane - does not matter who shelles whom - war is a crime in itself. War is barbaric - at all times.
Neither dropping bombs on ppl is humane - there is no excuse for that.
We here are lucky to wage pixel war - where only pixels die.
Noone of the internet though guys dies here - and I am glad about it.
Rommel telegraphed to Montgomery that he would fight him in his best tank with the best tank crew - in his own best tank and his best tank crew - to decide the campaign, but that their respective leadership would not approve.
Wake up, mate. |
Merely Runaway
CTRL-Q Iron Oxide.
46
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Posted - 2014.07.29 19:44:00 -
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I'm calling Godwin's Law on this entire thread.
The Amarr mentioned ***** first so I guess that means that we, the Minmatar, won the forum war/psy-ops or whatever nonsense you clever military types want to call poasting on a forum.
gg
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Colt Blackhawk
Ordo Drakonis Nulli Secunda
303
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Posted - 2014.07.29 20:45:00 -
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Loryanna wrote:Colt Blackhawk wrote:ROFLROFLROFL...
Stalking Mantis wrote quite nice and tried to be objective but that one here... HAHAHAHAHA. Nothing else than propaganda.
Summary about Arzad: Minnies had 3 times the numbers first few weeks and were defending well. When they had to face even numbers they ran away. Plain and simple. Your science fiction fantasy stuff is funny. Such obvious heavy handed lies aren't actually very clever. They are easily refuted by the cold hard facts found on killboards or by the reports of people on your own side. Check out FHP and I talking about Arzad in the infamous Burn Huola thread, somewhere in the mid-20s, for something nearer the truth. A lie this blatant cannot stand. Try going somewhere even vaguely near reality for your psych-ops to have any value, mate. If you actually believe what you said and you were in the Arzad Campaign I strongly suggest seeking medical attention because your brain has malfunctioned spectacularly.
Omg... Grow up, finish college, get certain level and we may discuss. [09:04:53] Ashira Twilight > Plant the f****** amarr flag and s*** on their smoking wrecks. |
Destru Kaneda
CTRL-Q Iron Oxide.
238
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Posted - 2014.07.29 21:41:00 -
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So, are you gonna share those drugs with the rest of the class or? I like it best when the beats are naked. |
Anslo
Scope Works
6178
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Posted - 2014.07.30 02:31:00 -
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A shout out to my bros in the various pirate alliances that either came to Huola or ran large/small scale interference. I owe you the beer and cigs i promised haha. This event started out fun and I did enjoy it. However, there was a point where the Amarr just really rubbed I and others of the Pirate Coalition very very wrong. It wasn't just one thing, but a combination.
In the end, we have more fun with the Minmatar. They chilled out since we've moved in and Huola has become a pretty cool place that let's us do our thing to help newbros and carebears get into lowsec. The way the Amarr conducted themselves led us to believe they'd end the cool little set up we'd made.
We didnt like that.
If you wanna come fight, come fight. Pew pew is always happy fun times.
But don't ever try this bullshit again. Ever.
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Luwc
Biohazard. WINMATAR.
192
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Posted - 2014.07.30 06:50:00 -
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Major Trant wrote:TL'DR : Did Read, Can't think of a valid Counter. LOOK AT ME!
TD'DR
Too Delusional - Didn't Read http://hugelolcdn.com/i/267520.gif |
Rahelis
Space-Brewery-Association 24eme Legion Etrangere
92
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Posted - 2014.07.30 08:19:00 -
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So much fear in this threads . . .
Anslo is also upset - being the altruist he is - helping newbros and carebears into lowsec.
Anslo - do you even pay them newbros and carebears their plex with your minnie farming alts? |
Anslo
Scope Works
6178
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Posted - 2014.07.30 08:29:00 -
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There's too much to do on one toon. I don't have time for alts. Besides if I did have alts I'd have money. Yet I have none. Ask the Minnie fw group or my own corp. I literally have problems affording an Ishtar. I am a pleb.
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Rahelis
Space-Brewery-Association 24eme Legion Etrangere
92
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Posted - 2014.07.30 08:37:00 -
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Do you even read the stuff you just posted - altruist anslo?
I told you guys in huola local about your IQ rating - I was not lying with that one . . .
On the other hand, truth is a lie in itself, according to siddartha.
Perk up.
Get a brain.
Learn to use it. |
Anslo
Scope Works
6178
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Posted - 2014.07.30 08:40:00 -
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What the actual **** did I just read...whatever. Surely your saiko awps will work against us sooner or later.
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Crosi Wesdo
War and Order Repeat 0ffenders
1029
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Posted - 2014.07.30 09:40:00 -
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Luwc wrote:Major Trant wrote:TL'DR : Did Read, Can't think of a valid Counter. LOOK AT ME! TD'DR Too Delusional - Didn't Read
History is written by the winners. |
Nameira Vanis-Tor
Hoplite Brigade Iron Oxide.
28
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Posted - 2014.07.30 09:40:00 -
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I have to wonder why some of these Amarr militia guys thought they would agree with the content of this thread at the point they read the title?
We may not see another Burn Huola for a while, you can bet that the Amarr are throwing mud at each other as vigorously as they are throwing it at the Huola coalition.
As for IQ I am happy to announce my recent graduation with a Masters Degree that I did in my spare time, whilst being employed in advising a multimillion -ú turnover per annum company on how to invest their money and whilst dealing with a young family... and occasionally finding time to fight for the Minmatar in EVE.
Please make your fortress system available for militia content by signing Major Trants Egglahende petition linked earlier in the thread. |
Rahelis
Space-Brewery-Association 24eme Legion Etrangere
92
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Posted - 2014.07.30 11:58:00 -
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History written by the winner - that is a misconception of recent history - - - like searching for WMD in irak . . . |
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order Repeat 0ffenders
1031
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Posted - 2014.07.30 12:43:00 -
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Rahelis wrote: History written by the winner - that is a misconception of recent history - - - like searching for WMD in irak . . .
Perfect example. The current narrative for the iraq war is said to be the liberation from a cruel dictator, before that WMDs, before that, laughably, 911 but ultimately it was about oil, which you will never hear any influential person admit.
all evidence is that minmatar extinguished the amarr horde easily, with the amarr only just reaching half way to their objective before folding. |
Arla Sarain
61
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Posted - 2014.07.30 12:48:00 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote:
all evidence is that minmatar extinguished the amarr horde easily
If only every gallente and their mother didn't scream about how they were there.
Too late to make it sound like Minmatar ran that.
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Cromwell Savage
Quantum Cats Syndicate Repeat 0ffenders
186
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Posted - 2014.07.30 12:59:00 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote:... but ultimately it was about oil, which you will never hear any influential person admit.
Off topic...but...
I will freely admit so (not that I'm 'influential' - lol). But probably not for the reasons you think...
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Plug in Baby
Crouching Woman Hidden Cucumber
230
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Posted - 2014.07.30 17:00:00 -
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Finally a thread to bring some objectivity to the matter!
In the past it may have been possible to assume that only the Amarr militia housed comedic levels of delusion, now any self-aware Mini must accept that they too have their share of crazy. This is not a forum alt, this is a forum main. |
Nameira Vanis-Tor
Hoplite Brigade Iron Oxide.
30
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Posted - 2014.07.30 18:35:00 -
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Plug in Baby wrote:Finally a thread to bring some objectivity to the matter!
In the past it may have been possible to assume that only the Amarr militia housed comedic levels of delusion, now any self-aware Mini must accept that they too have their share of crazy.
Madness?....THIS IS HUOLA!!!!!!! |
Luwc
Biohazard. WINMATAR.
193
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Posted - 2014.07.31 07:43:00 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote:Luwc wrote:Major Trant wrote:TL'DR : Did Read, Can't think of a valid Counter. LOOK AT ME! TD'DR Too Delusional - Didn't Read History is written by the winners.
I haven't seen a gallente post about it yet. So no history from the winners yet :) http://hugelolcdn.com/i/267520.gif |
Rahelis
Space-Brewery-Association 24eme Legion Etrangere
93
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Posted - 2014.07.31 08:08:00 -
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Crosi - we start to agree - I like that.
As this thread statuates - it is a minmatar POV - and as I said I deeply respect that.
My objection is that other men have other opinions - so we are on the same boat here.
Let us agree that the burn huola campagin was good content for FW - that may have brought some newbros into the fold.
07
PS: the irak war of 2003 was the third irak war in succession - that is only interesting in a military point of view . . . .
PSS: Luc made the most important remark in this thread. |
Plug in Baby
Crouching Woman Hidden Cucumber
237
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Posted - 2014.07.31 09:07:00 -
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wut? This is not a forum alt, this is a forum main. |
Luwc
Biohazard. WINMATAR.
193
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Posted - 2014.07.31 12:11:00 -
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_War
you welcome. http://hugelolcdn.com/i/267520.gif |
Rahelis
Space-Brewery-Association 24eme Legion Etrangere
95
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Posted - 2014.07.31 15:30:00 -
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Very simple facts for failed campaigns.
An known state installed iran/perisan shah - and removed him as he tried to sell his oil to the russ. A known state installed socialist gov in irak (including ****** as part of that) - removed the socialist gov and installed khomeni in 1979. The russ attack afghanistan this year and came near to iran/ irak with a shared border. A known state installed the "holy book warriors" in pakistan an equipped them to fight the russ in the early 1980s. A known state installed ****** as dictator and let him try to remove khomeni - that let to the first gulf war - for that the state started saddams nuke program, because iran had much more manpower. The also provided ****** with german WWII V2/A4 tech. A known state tried to remove saddan - he asked the state if he can claim the old british part of irak - the state said yes - as he took the old province the state declared war on him in 1991. The state did not take the irak capitol in this war. The main reason for this das saddams threat to sell his oil in another currency that the currency of the state. A known state started a war against the "holy book warriors" that they had created themselves in 2001. The states own oil resiuces started to run ran dry since the mid 1990s. So the state sought the nukes they themselves tried to install in irak in 2003 and went to war with ****** to get them some oil. Irak hat the 4th biggest supply in oil. Iraks capitol fell and ****** was killed.
That all is military history - what ppl nowadays call history is nothing than the theological shell around history.
Same in EVE - there are undercurrents that control the war we wage.
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Zen Guerrilla
CTRL-Q Iron Oxide.
231
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Posted - 2014.07.31 16:50:00 -
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Dude, can you stop derailing all our threads with your weird stories of war campaigns?
I'm finished with school. pew pew |
Luwc
Biohazard. WINMATAR.
195
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Posted - 2014.08.01 06:46:00 -
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Zen Guerrilla wrote:Dude, can you stop derailing all our threads with your weird stories of war campaigns?
I'm finished with school.
He just seems to historical knowledge http://hugelolcdn.com/i/267520.gif |
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