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Maldiro Selkurk
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Posted - 2014.07.28 21:14:00 -
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The value of looted items from L4's has dropped with some items losing >50% of their value and some essentially reaching the point of being of no real ISK value at all.
I would like to see a scaling implementation of mission payouts both in terms of LP and straight ISK rewards for mission completions. I don't know if this is needed for all mission types but certainly the highsec L4 payouts need a scalable change.
Yes I'm aware of the reason for the L4 loot price drop, yes I'm aware that highsec is safer than other regions but killing off about 20-30% of our income is too much of a hit. Yawn,-á I'm right as usual. The predictability kinda gets boring really. |
Maldiro Selkurk
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Posted - 2014.07.29 19:57:00 -
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Antillie Sa'Kan wrote:Lol no. L4 missions still pay too well for how silly easy they are.
Do you know where the ISK was transferred to effectively?
Im guessing you do not so i shall enlighten you, it went to miners. I have no beef with miners my alt mines all day, but if it bothers you that L4 missions are too easy for the return they get then im guessing you wouldnt be thrilled to find out where the ISK went. Yawn,-á I'm right as usual. The predictability kinda gets boring really. |
Maldiro Selkurk
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Posted - 2014.07.29 19:59:00 -
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Pheusia wrote:Maldiro Selkurk wrote:The value of looted items from L4's has dropped with some items losing >50% of their value and some essentially reaching the point of being of no real ISK value at all.
I would like to see a scaling implementation of mission payouts both in terms of LP and straight ISK rewards for mission completions. I don't know if this is needed for all mission types but certainly the highsec L4 payouts need a scalable change.
Yes I'm aware of the reason for the L4 loot price drop, yes I'm aware that highsec is safer than other regions but killing off about 20-30% of our income is too much of a hit. It's a gross exaggeration to say that L4 income has been generally reduced by 30% or even 20%.
I checked the amount of ISK generated for me personally the way i run missions, what method did you use to arrive at your conclusion?
Yawn,-á I'm right as usual. The predictability kinda gets boring really. |
Maldiro Selkurk
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Posted - 2014.07.29 20:03:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:Now factor in all the buffs to ships used for running missions and how they have affected ISK generation from high-sec missions.
All of which existed before the nerf to ISK. I don't recall CCP saying that because of the buffs to ships used in running L4's we are going to nerf L4 ISK returns. If you have a link to such a post I would be open to discussing it further. Yawn,-á I'm right as usual. The predictability kinda gets boring really. |
Maldiro Selkurk
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Posted - 2014.07.29 20:11:00 -
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Danika Princip wrote:But I thought the way you guys made the most money from them was to completely ignore all the drops, blitz the missions as quickly as possible and just roll on to the next one?
Blitzing was the most profitable way of running missions, it in fact has become even more profitable because looting has dropped in value by so much.
I would like to keep blitzing as the more profitable method as it takes a bit more knowledge and skill than running L4s the full clear method.
As things stand now though the gap between full clear and blitzing has grown considerably so that we that choose the full clear method will tend towards blitzing more, I am certainly going to change over even though i prefer full clear as i find it more fun but i need the plex to pay for my account and the payout now for Blitzing over full clear is too great to pass on. Yawn,-á I'm right as usual. The predictability kinda gets boring really. |
Maldiro Selkurk
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Posted - 2014.07.29 20:57:00 -
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Ive read some posts and realized my original suggestion would in fact benefit blitzing too much so I'm altering my suggestion to include a triad of changes:
1. A one time increase to LP payouts (as someone else suggested the inclusion of [more?] LP items only offered by mission agents)
2. Mission payouts indexed to the value of plex (this needs to be done so that skills related to payouts retrain their value).
3. Mission rat payouts indexed to plex (there might need to be some rat payout redistribution as it currently favors killing only BS's too heavily).
This is NOT a mission income buff and I take exception to those respondents characterizing it as such. It is simply a request to compensate L4 runners for income that was effectively transferred from L4 runners to miners.
I will restate here that I have a miner and he mines all day, I hold no ill will towards miners and I'm thrilled to get an income buff to my miner but not at the expense of L4 runners. Yawn,-á I'm right as usual. The predictability kinda gets boring really. |
Maldiro Selkurk
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Posted - 2014.07.29 21:12:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:Maldiro Selkurk wrote:Riot Girl wrote:Now factor in all the buffs to ships used for running missions and how they have affected ISK generation from high-sec missions. All of which existed before the nerf to ISK. I don't recall CCP saying that because of the buffs to ships used in running L4's we are going to nerf L4 ISK returns. If you have a link to such a post I would be open to discussing it further. I don't think you get what I'm saying. A buff to combat ships is a buff to L4 ISK. Especially when they're Marauders and Pirate BSes, but not excluding all other types too.
I do believe I understand your point but the drop in my mission running income was about 20-30% or so. I would bring up two points:
1. CCP probably balanced mission running ships around the state of missions as they existed at the time (though i have no proof of this of course, meaning they were okay with whatever income boost these ships brought).
2. Even given that ships have been buffed I don't think it can be said that the buffs increased the effectiveness of running L4's by 20 - 30%. Yawn,-á I'm right as usual. The predictability kinda gets boring really. |
Maldiro Selkurk
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Posted - 2014.07.29 21:23:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:Maldiro Selkurk wrote:1. A one time increase to LP payouts (as someone else suggested the inclusion of [more?] LP items only offered by mission agents) First part benefits blitzers, no idea what you plan for the second part. Quote:2. Mission payouts indexed to the value of plex (this needs to be done so that skills related to payouts retrain their value).
3. Mission rat payouts indexed to plex (there might need to be some rat payout redistribution as it currently favors killing only BS's too heavily). Would have been ideal, but CCP have already lost their grip on power creep and don't seem to have any intention of reining it back in. Quote:This is NOT a mission income buff and I take exception to those respondents characterizing it as such. It is simply a request to compensate L4 runners for income that was effectively transferred from L4 runners to miners. They don't need to be compensated, they need to adapt.
1a. The blitzers need compensated, not because I believe that blitzing should inherently pay more than non-blitzing but because it is the historical precedent and I don't desire to change that (the adjustment would have to be weighed surely to prevent too wide a gap forming again between the full clear and blitzing groups).
1b. The unique LP items are to reduce competition with players getting LP other ways which could water down the income of both groups (this might not need to be done).
2. Sadly, yes you are probably right they wont do it.
3. I don't understand what you mean when you say: "they need to adapt". Adapt how and to what?
Yawn,-á I'm right as usual. The predictability kinda gets boring really. |
Maldiro Selkurk
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Posted - 2014.07.29 21:51:00 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:What if the reduction in income was actually a target CCP wanted to achieve? Could it mean they don't need to give anything abck because it was intended to reduce the income generated from mission by nerfing the value of loot?
Possible, Im saying I disagree and want it changed back. Yawn,-á I'm right as usual. The predictability kinda gets boring really. |
Maldiro Selkurk
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Posted - 2014.07.29 21:59:00 -
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Adunh Slavy wrote:Maldiro Selkurk wrote: Yes I'm aware of the reason for the L4 loot price drop, yes I'm aware that highsec is safer than other regions but killing off about 20-30% of our income is too much of a hit.
No, and why is it your income? For years missions have been taking value from other activities, and continue to do so. If missions are not paying you enough, go do something else. Going to want health care for your ship crews next.
1. because i worked for that income, just like everyone else works for theirs doing whatever they do in EVE.
2. In the past this argument could be said to be true, as it stands i see no justification behind the statement.
3. I prefer to do the activities im involved with now, I just want paid as i have been the last 1.5 years i have played.
4. My crew has full health care, 5 weeks of vacation, 1 week of sick leave and dental. I appreciate your concern for my crew, quite touching. Yawn,-á I'm right as usual. The predictability kinda gets boring really. |
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Maldiro Selkurk
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Posted - 2014.07.29 22:05:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote: They're compensated by inflation.
You mean like SoE ships?
They need to adapt to the economical environment by either learning to blitz or to earn their ISK through other means.
1. I see your point but how else to make up the lost income?
2. Possibly more of these.
3. While i respect your opinion, I also disagree that the solution is for me to start doing what i dont want to do to solve the problem. If we dropped everyone's ISK/hr and told them to go do something else in EVE if they didn't like it I have a feeling that wouldn't go over very well. Yawn,-á I'm right as usual. The predictability kinda gets boring really. |
Maldiro Selkurk
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Posted - 2014.07.31 18:07:00 -
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Caleb Seremshur wrote:Maldiro Selkurk wrote:The value of looted items from L4's has dropped with some items losing >50% of their value and some essentially reaching the point of being of no real ISK value at all.
I would like to see a scaling implementation of mission payouts both in terms of LP and straight ISK rewards for mission completions. I don't know if this is needed for all mission types but certainly the highsec L4 payouts need a scalable change.
Yes I'm aware of the reason for the L4 loot price drop, yes I'm aware that highsec is safer than other regions but killing off about 20-30% of our income is too much of a hit. I think the real question is what the hell do you spend all your money on? My golem runs for free these days. It doesn't cost a dime.
PLEX Yawn,-á I'm right as usual. The predictability kinda gets boring really. |
Maldiro Selkurk
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Posted - 2014.07.31 18:11:00 -
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GordonO wrote:Hakan MacTrew wrote:Maldiro Selkurk wrote:Yes I'm aware of the reason for the L4 loot price drop, yes I'm aware that highsec is safer than other regions but killing off about 20-30% of our income is too much of a hit. Your maths is wrong. In Null you rat anoms and get roughly 45% of the income as loot. Highsec missions have much lower loot income percentages, primarily because of LP. And as a reformed Highsec Carebear I say this: "You can't spell Risk without ISK". As is yours, null anom running loot is not worth 45% of your income.. its way less. You need to use Jita prices cause thats where you going to have to sell it.
I have no idea what the % of income loot is for anoms but for highsec L4s most mods are reprocessed for minerals which is more dependent on local economics than Jita pricing. Yawn,-á I'm right as usual. The predictability kinda gets boring really. |
Maldiro Selkurk
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Posted - 2014.07.31 18:17:00 -
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Black Canary Jnr wrote:So salvage is a lvl 4 issue only? LOL
My salvaging in 0.0 just got shafted too, every ones salvage got shafted by the change.
Lvl 4's are fine at the moment, if not deserving a nerf in high sec.
Lvl 1's are bad bad bad at the moment and need buffing up to help new bros. If people think lvl 1s are good go grind lvl 1's for a week and see how much isk you make. Pulling in 200k isk for 10-15 mins game time for newbros is bad, CCP need to sort this out badly because it's forcing people into isk/hr efficiency straight away to look at getting a cruiser hull, which means people mining when they don't want to, which causes them to quit cos it's so f**kin boring.
Missions in low and 0.0 need their LP rewards buffing, as it is it's not worth doing lvl 4's in low sec if there is an agent in high sec.
And LP stores need a good look at, too many Dud corps to mission for and too many that have everything good.
1. i restricted the thread to L4's since i have no understanding of other mission running types.
2. I disagree, hence the thread.
3. Agree that lower missions need buffing, it would have been nice to frig longer.
4. Again, i have no idea what is required outside of highsec L4s
6. I only run for a single corp and again cannot make comment on concepts that i know nothing about. Yawn,-á I'm right as usual. The predictability kinda gets boring really. |
Maldiro Selkurk
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Posted - 2014.07.31 19:09:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:Maldiro Selkurk wrote:3. Agree that lower missions need buffing, it would have been nice to frig longer. You can stay in a frig as long as you like, the only reason to rush out of one is to get into level 4s faster so you can plex your account. So this thread is essentially just a plex whine thread.
No, its about getting back the ISK lost during last expansion; you are entitled to your opinion, no matter how wrong it is. Yawn,-á I'm right as usual. The predictability kinda gets boring really. |
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