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Riot Girl
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Posted - 2014.07.28 21:22:00 -
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Now factor in all the buffs to ships used for running missions and how they have effected ISK generation from high-sec missions. Oh god. |
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Posted - 2014.07.29 09:15:00 -
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Valkin Mordirc wrote: I felt like dropping my two cents on missioning, I don't find it fun, I honestly don't think it need's a isk buff, or a isk nerf. But if I can solo lvl 4's in an omitanked Tengu perma active tanking lazily locking and pressing F1, I can personally say, missions need a buff in the 'fun' factor. Nothing about it is challenging, skillful, or runs any sorta risk.
I've done some high-sec exploration and found it quite profitable. It's also quite competitive. Other players might try to force you out of a site or try to steal your loot and that is what makes it interesting for me. It's still a form of PvP and still friendly for those who are afraid to lose ships. This is the dynamic all high-sec 'PvE' activities should follow, imo. HS mission runners rarely encounter any player interaction, and when they do, it's because they're getting blown up. I've also found HS anoms to be pretty competitive too, though not very profitable, they are far more enjoyable than missions. Missions should go, competitive 'PvE' gameplay should be promoted. Oh god. |
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Posted - 2014.07.29 20:44:00 -
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Maldiro Selkurk wrote:Riot Girl wrote:Now factor in all the buffs to ships used for running missions and how they have affected ISK generation from high-sec missions. All of which existed before the nerf to ISK. I don't recall CCP saying that because of the buffs to ships used in running L4's we are going to nerf L4 ISK returns. If you have a link to such a post I would be open to discussing it further. I don't think you get what I'm saying. A buff to combat ships is a buff to L4 ISK. Especially when they're Marauders and Pirate BSes, but not excluding all other types too.
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Posted - 2014.07.29 21:11:00 -
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Maldiro Selkurk wrote:1. A one time increase to LP payouts (as someone else suggested the inclusion of [more?] LP items only offered by mission agents) First part benefits blitzers, no idea what you plan for the second part.
Quote:2. Mission payouts indexed to the value of plex (this needs to be done so that skills related to payouts retrain their value).
3. Mission rat payouts indexed to plex (there might need to be some rat payout redistribution as it currently favors killing only BS's too heavily). Would have been ideal, but CCP have already lost their grip on power creep and don't seem to have any intention of reining it back in.
Quote:This is NOT a mission income buff and I take exception to those respondents characterizing it as such. It is simply a request to compensate L4 runners for income that was effectively transferred from L4 runners to miners. They don't need to be compensated, they need to adapt.
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Posted - 2014.07.29 21:35:00 -
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Maldiro Selkurk wrote:1. CCP probably balanced mission running ships around the state of missions as they existed at the time (though i have no proof of this of course, meaning they were okay with whatever income boost these ships brought). No idea.
Quote:2. Even given that ships have been buffed I don't think it can be said that the buffs increased the effectiveness of running L4's by 20 - 30%. Hard to say without data, I can only go on what I've heard people say. When I first started playing about 2 years ago, I remember reading that blitzers were making 40m/hr in their Machariels and that was pretty impressive at the time. A year later, they were saying it was 70m/hr. I have no idea what they can make now. Oh god. |
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Posted - 2014.07.29 21:38:00 -
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Maldiro Selkurk wrote:1a. The blitzers need compensated, not because I believe that blitzing should inherently pay more than non-blitzing but because it is the historical precedent and I don't desire to change that (the adjustment would have to be weighed surely to prevent too wide a gap forming again between the full clear and blitzing groups). They're compensated by inflation.
Quote:1b. The unique LP items are to reduce competition with players getting LP other ways which could water down the income of both groups (this might not need to be done). You mean like SoE ships?
Quote:3. I don't understand what you mean when you say: "they need to adapt". Adapt how and to what? They need to adapt to the economical environment by either learning to blitz or to earn their ISK through other means.
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Posted - 2014.07.30 19:48:00 -
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Sal Landry wrote:Riot Girl wrote: They need to adapt to the economical environment by either learning to blitz or to earn their ISK through other means.
Your first option is already prevented by default, since the people who aren't blitzing missions is the only reason blitzing is valuable at all. Mission rewards are based on average mission completion time and if everyone blitzed with perfect efficiency then the LP rewards would nosedive. Yeah, that's true. lol.
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Posted - 2014.07.31 16:24:00 -
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Probably something like this https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=362111 Oh god. |
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Posted - 2014.07.31 19:01:00 -
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Maldiro Selkurk wrote:3. Agree that lower missions need buffing, it would have been nice to frig longer. You can stay in a frig as long as you like, the only reason to rush out of one is to get into level 4s faster so you can plex your account. So this thread is essentially just a plex whine thread.
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Posted - 2014.07.31 19:16:00 -
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Maldiro Selkurk wrote:Caleb Seremshur wrote:I think the real question is what the hell do you spend all your money on? My golem runs for free these days. It doesn't cost a dime. PLEX Yes, my opinion is wrong. I'm so glad you weren't trying to impair efforts to improve New Eden to satisfy your own selfish desire to play for free. Oh god. |
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