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Jenna Cruz
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2014.07.30 19:04:00 -
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The reason why I am asking this question is that I love frigates and I am very focused on frigate combat.
I thought that it would be fun to run some higher level missions with a bunch of other folks also flying frigates. What I want to know is threefold:
1) Is it possible for multiple frigates in a fleet to fight Level 3 or Level 4 missions? 2) If it is possible, how many pilots would we need? 3) Is this just a dumb idea or does it sound like fun? |
Estella Osoka
Deep Void Merc Syndicate
425
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Posted - 2014.07.30 19:22:00 -
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Possible? Yes. I have actually done L4s in an Ishkur. Assault Frigates would prolly be best for this. |
Hakaari Inkuran
State War Academy Caldari State
157
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Posted - 2014.07.30 20:49:00 -
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It sounds like fun and it also sounds like you're going to get absolutely terrible isk/hour, so as long as you're cool with that....
Personally, my thought is bring yourself and 4 others for best fun, but any more than 2 will clear your missions without it feeling too much like pulling teeth. |
Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
349
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Posted - 2014.07.30 20:50:00 -
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What scout incursions were made for? |
Tibo Paralian
Dirt 'n' Glitter I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
31
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Posted - 2014.07.31 03:05:00 -
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Scout incursion sites look like a joke gone bad:
1-5 Players 1-3 minutes
Payout:
50,000 ISK and 50 CONCORD LP.
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Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
349
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Posted - 2014.07.31 03:17:00 -
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Because a L4 with a ton of frigs would be much better? |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1046
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Posted - 2014.07.31 04:31:00 -
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L4s with fleets of Assault Frigates is actually quite common.
The trick with Assault Frigates is change the frigate you are flying to get the right resists for the rat damage. |
Carniflex
StarHunt Mordus Angels
268
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Posted - 2014.08.01 13:51:00 -
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If you want to do missions in frigates why not go into FW? People farm FW lev 4's on regular basis with bombers. Granted you need to be watching the dir scan when doing these as they broadcast a public beacon when you start one and are exclusively in the low sec, usually in a low sec belonging to opposing militia.
I'm pretty sure you could also do them in attack frigates. You want approx 400 dps or some of the rats will tank you in there and/or it will take far too long and someone will come in to kill you Here, sanity... niiiice sanity, come to daddy... okay, that's a good sanity... *THWONK!* GOT the bastard. |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
2109
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Posted - 2014.08.01 13:59:00 -
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Ireland VonVicious wrote:Because a L4 with a ton of frigs would be much better? by several decimal powers, yes.
as for OP's question: i'm not sure where the appeal is in running missions with a large frigate gang. sounds like playing soccer against a team of trash cans to me. if you have enough people to form a fleet, maybe you should rather head for lowsec and try to kill some real players...?
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |
Chil
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.08.04 14:16:00 -
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To the OP, yes it can be done, and is great fun in AF's. ISK/hour isn't brilliant, and you're splitting over several pilots.
Trying it in T1 frigates is even more fun, and I think we made a profit after ammo & hulls (getting webbed & all agro isn't something you'll survive).
Note, we were doing this in the pre-Lvl 4 days, so things have changed a bit! |
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Tao Dolcino
Jolly Jumpers Squad
316
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Posted - 2014.08.04 17:21:00 -
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There 's a big difference between a T1 and T2 frigates. I easilly solo lvl 3 missions with an AF. Do you talk about a fleet only made of T1 frigates ? Favoritism is good - CCP 2013 |
Jenna Cruz
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2014.08.04 19:11:00 -
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Daniel Plain wrote:Ireland VonVicious wrote:Because a L4 with a ton of frigs would be much better? by several decimal powers, yes. as for OP's question: i'm not sure where the appeal is in running missions with a large frigate gang. sounds like playing soccer against a team of trash cans to me. if you have enough people to form a fleet, maybe you should rather head for lowsec and try to kill some real players...?
I really appreciate everyone's comments and it is really good to know that this is a possible tactic. I fully understand it might not be the most efficient or profitable tactic
Daniel, your point is well taken but doesn't really address the question, it gets ahead of the capabilities of the peeps I am talking about.
Just to be clear, the primary purpose is having some fun (isk not important) and doing it with a bunch of people in a fleet.
There are 2 other reasons: The first is to be able to practice FCing in the least dangerous way. The second is to be able to take really inexperienced newbros out and have active fun in a fleet setting. Again, in the least dangerous way.
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Leoric Firesword
Dark Fusion Industries
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Posted - 2014.08.04 19:13:00 -
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my corp actually does this from time to time. T1 frigs (sometimes T2) with no local reps, all buffer and 2 T1 rep frigs.
It's great fun, but not so great isk/hr.
Buzz Kill is RATHER exciting |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
576
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Posted - 2014.08.04 20:23:00 -
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it is fun, maybe once? A bunch of years ago most people jumped into Assault Frigs and went to a cosmos complex and killed stuff. Now a days I have no plans to ever try killing battleship NPCs with anything smaller than an ishtar. With an AFs high resists, low sig radius, and decent speed, well NPCs are just boring. You can trust me, I have a monocole |
Gorr Shakor
Shakor Freight and Mining Service
5
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Posted - 2014.08.06 13:08:00 -
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By all means, do it. Ask the guys to fit proper resists and some buffer and take two logi frigs. Hilarious times can be had like this, especially for beginners! |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
5425
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Posted - 2014.08.06 13:24:00 -
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You'll get murdered by missile boats. Be aware of that and make sure you take logistics frigates along with you. Fit everything dirt cheap until you're comfortable with your ability to deal with those missiles. Everything else is just a matter of learning about maintaining angular velocity (or "transversal").
I would suggest starting off with a focus on buffer tanks until your logistics pilots are comfortable in their roles, then look at ways of tweaking the combat ships to deliver more DPS while still having enough buffer to handle the incoming missile fire. You'll lose ships, especially to opening salvos. It may be worth having one pilot follow the group around with an orca full of "fleet doctrine" frigates to help reduce reshipping times.
As FC your role in cooperative PvE will be to call (and mark) targets, which gets easier in missions once you learn how they work. Just remember that in PvP you won't have the advantage of rehearsal :)
Marking targets is assisted by keyboard shortcuts, look out for them under Shortcuts -> Combat.
As your fleet grows in competence and SP you'll be able to fly frigates with local tanks and lose fewer of them to NPCs.
Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
Dersen Lowery
Narwhals Ate My Duck. Narwhals Ate My Duck
1181
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Posted - 2014.08.06 14:25:00 -
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My old corp did this. We called them "piranha ops." This was before logistics frigates, so everyone local tanked, and what we would do is have all EWAR (and target calling) done by experienced pilots in shiny frigates who could manage the aggro, while the new players welped around in ordinary T1 frigates and shot things. We very rarely lost ships, but if we did, the corp paid for them--they're just T1 frigates. We even had a stash of them lying around in case someone wanted to borrow one.
It's not a bad way to get pilots familiar with things like range and transversal, it's a good social event, and I personally loved the sight of an entire room of ships shooting at my humble little boat and missing. :-D Proud founder and member of the Belligerent Desirables. |
Velarra
315
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Posted - 2014.08.10 18:07:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:You'll get murdered by missile boats.
Really? Was there a change to NPC missile boats within the last year or so?
L4 Damsel and a few other missions, out in Curse (GG & UW environs), Hawk / Manticore t2 fit duo. No issues with incoming missiles. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
28720
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Posted - 2014.08.10 21:10:00 -
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Jenna Cruz wrote:Running Missions with a Fleet of Frigates
The reason why I am asking this question is that I love frigates and I am very focused on frigate combat.
I thought that it would be fun to run some higher level missions with a bunch of other folks also flying frigates. What I want to know is threefold:
1) Is it possible for multiple frigates in a fleet to fight Level 3 or Level 4 missions? 2) If it is possible, how many pilots would we need? 3) Is this just a dumb idea or does it sound like fun? 1) It's very possible and basically easy mode if a small fleet coordinates their attacks. Years ago I use to solo level 3 encounter missions in a T1 Frigate (Rifter) fit with T2/Faction/Deadspace modules. I also know players who run level 4 encounter missions solo in Assault Frigates, course those are also fit with T2/Faction/Deadspace modules.
2) I would say 'More The Merrier' but definitely at least 2 pilots. 3 or more pilots will definitely make the missions more fun, less time spent to complete them.
3) It's not a dumb idea at all. It actually Sounds Dangerous.
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