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Abel Kugisa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.08.02 16:12:00 -
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I believe a freighter that could use a covert ops cloaking device would add some fun to this game. It should have less ehp and a little bit less cargo, everything else could be the same. It should not cost much more than a normal freighter. |
Fer'isam K'ahn
None Of One
274
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Posted - 2014.08.02 16:14:00 -
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Sorry, but nothing constructive and non-offensive comes to mind, so I'll keep it as civil as I can with a simple:
No!
Are you sure your issues aren't elsewhere ?! |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
5815
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Posted - 2014.08.02 16:16:00 -
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Jump Freighters are what you want OP. They can appear and disappear at will... they just need a second person to facilitate this ability. Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective.
"How did you veterans start?" |
rothmal
Vengance Inc. Space Warriors
19
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Posted - 2014.08.02 16:27:00 -
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the only problem I see is the Freighter jumping into a system with 5 people in it and then warping off grid waiting until the people leave system. while the other guys go and dock up and start writing afk cloaking posts on the forums. overnight null sec will die with freighter afraid to leave system because they might get ganked and the other guys afraid of undock because they might get ganked by the cloaky ship. |
Abel Kugisa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2014.08.02 16:34:00 -
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No, jump freighters are not what I want. Jump Freighters just don't add any fun to this game. They are too expensive and they are almost impossible to catch if flown properly. |
Ammzi
Love Squad Pasta Syndicate
1816
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Posted - 2014.08.02 16:35:00 -
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Abel Kugisa wrote:No, jump freighters are not what I want. Jump Freighters just don't add any fun to this game. They are too expensive and they are almost impossible to catch if flown properly.
I want you gone from this game. That would be fun. |
Abel Kugisa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2014.08.02 16:42:00 -
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Ammzi wrote:Abel Kugisa wrote:No, jump freighters are not what I want. Jump Freighters just don't add any fun to this game. They are too expensive and they are almost impossible to catch if flown properly. I want you gone from this game. That would be fun.
No, that is not what you want. You want me to lose my cloaked freighter on a gate camp in low sec. |
Iain Cariaba
Veritas Theory
179
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Posted - 2014.08.02 16:50:00 -
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Abel Kugisa wrote:No, jump freighters are not what I want. Jump Freighters just don't add any fun to this game. They are too expensive and they are almost impossible to catch if flown properly. Of course jump freighters add fun to the game. You just have to realize how few people know how to fly them properly.
Covops cloaks on freighters is just inane. It gives no benefits as a freighter's align time is so long you'd have no issues at all decloaking one on gate. The only role I could see a cloaking freighter being used for is as a giant blops fuel/ammo can, a role already taken by DSTs and blockade runners. Disclaimer: My opinion does not necessarily reflect that of my corp or alliance. My opinion is my own, and if you don't like, that is your problem. |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
2368
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Posted - 2014.08.02 20:13:00 -
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Covert-cloaking freighters are hilariously broken even as an idea.
I suspect OP lost a freighter trying to fly alone and this is his kneejerk reaction to it. |
Celthric Kanerian
Ascendance Of New Eden Workers Trade Federation
26
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Posted - 2014.08.02 21:24:00 -
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Obvious troll. |
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DrysonBennington
Aliastra Gallente Federation
155
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Posted - 2014.08.02 22:20:00 -
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No, jump freighters are not what I want. Jump Freighters just don't add any fun to this game. They are too expensive and they are almost impossible to catch if flown properly.
All you have to do is catch a freighter at a gate and bump it with a Speed Tanked Mach to keep it from aligning. Once it is far enough from the gate the Udder Care Bear Ganker's arrive in their Catalyst Blob and take it down within a few seconds.
I have seen this happen far to many times.
So even if you are flying the freighter correctly there is no assured method of avoiding The Gank.
What I think would be better would be to break the Freighter down into more localized class types such as ore, mineral, ship, modules, cow milk, cow milk types of freighters that would have base cargo holds of around 75k to 100k and then larger specialized cargo sections and vice versa. Basically the same as the smaller industrials but on a larger scale.
The freighters also need the ability to escape a Bumper Gank without having to buy a permit to ensure their safe travel.
Without having the ability to escape the gank by theirself the Capsuleer is being made to either purchase a permit or be destroyed which is actually in violation of EULA Section 16
Quote:You may not do anything that interferes with the ability of other EVE Online subscribers to enjoy the game or web site in accordance with its rules. This includes, but is not limited to, making inappropriate use of any public channels within the game and/or intentionally creating excessive latency (lag) by dumping cargo containers, corpses or other items in the game world.
Which because the Freighter Pilot does not have any other means of escaping the Gank except by purchasing a permit the pilots ability to enjoy the game has been interfered with. |
De'Veldrin
Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders
2709
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Posted - 2014.08.02 22:24:00 -
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No.
Just...just no. De'Veldrin's Corallary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null. |
Big G Chelien
The Conference Elite CODE.
2
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Posted - 2014.08.02 22:32:00 -
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DrysonBennington wrote:
Without having the ability to escape the gank by theirself the Capsuleer is being made to either purchase a permit or be destroyed which is actually in violation of EULA Section 16
Since when are you CCP? Also, CCP has already made their decision on this issue. Which I fully support. |
Ocih
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
683
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Posted - 2014.08.02 22:45:00 -
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I took a Providence Freighter to the New Eden System once for shizzles.
The scout I used to get it there and back was always cloaked and the Freighter only logged in when I saw fit to do so.
Where there is a will, there is a way. |
DrysonBennington
Aliastra Gallente Federation
155
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Posted - 2014.08.02 22:55:00 -
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Big G Chelien wrote:DrysonBennington wrote:
Without having the ability to escape the gank by theirself the Capsuleer is being made to either purchase a permit or be destroyed which is actually in violation of EULA Section 16
Since when are you CCP? Also, CCP has already made their decision on this issue. Which I fully support.
I never said that I was CCP nor am I implying that I am a representative of CCP but I am merely quoting the from the EULA the exploited game mechanic that must be fixed to insure that the Freighter Pilot has the ability to employ other options other than self destructing the freighter, ejecting and abandoning the freighter, having the freighter destroyed by the gank or purchasing a permit in order to escape from being ganked.
All of these actions do violate the Freighter piltos right to enjoy the game based on EULA 16.
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admiral root
Red Galaxy
1488
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Posted - 2014.08.02 23:07:00 -
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DrysonBennington wrote:All you have to do is catch a freighter at a gate and bump it with a Speed Tanked Mach to keep it from aligning. Once it is far enough from the gate the Udder Care Bear Ganker's arrive in their Catalyst Blob and take it down within a few seconds.
This only works if the freighter pilot is incompetent or bloody unlucky. No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff |
Mag's
the united
17704
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Posted - 2014.08.03 00:55:00 -
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Fer'isam K'ahn wrote:Sorry, but nothing constructive and non-offensive comes to mind, so I'll keep it as civil as I can with a simple:
No!
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
Jur Tissant
Unreal Darkness
126
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Posted - 2014.08.03 02:54:00 -
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Then once you've reached a certain level of ISK you automatically become immune to ganks.
Freighters are supposed to be a bit of a danger to fly. If you want a covops hauler, then that's what transport ships are for. |
DJentropy Ovaert
The Conference Elite CODE.
684
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Posted - 2014.08.03 06:38:00 -
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DrysonBennington wrote:
I never said that I was CCP nor am I implying that I am a representative of CCP but I am merely quoting the from the EULA the exploited game mechanic that must be fixed to insure that the Freighter Pilot has the ability to employ other options other than self destructing the freighter, ejecting and abandoning the freighter, having the freighter destroyed by the gank or purchasing a permit in order to escape from being ganked.
All of these actions do violate the Freighter piltos right to enjoy the game based on EULA 16.
CCP has clearly stated about ten thousand times that bumping is a valid game mechanic.
You forgot a option in your list. it's called "friends" or even "alts" and using these weird new tools like the "starmap" to avoid warping a hauler into a hot spot. I've even heard tales of some freighter players actually using "friends" in combat ships to assist them and escort them.
Sure makes a lot more sense then flying a giant space brick around totally blind, refusing to use any of the tools that CCP provides to keep yourself self, then crying all over the forums when things don't go well.
CCP says no, and however you personally read the EULA is without meaning - what actually has meaning is what CCP has said, and they have clearly said "NO" to your thought process, about 4 dozen times. Perhaps you should take a moment to use the search tool and look up CCP's response to this? |
Kaerakh
Surprisingly Deep Hole Try Rerolling
396
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Posted - 2014.08.03 07:11:00 -
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DJentropy Ovaert wrote:DrysonBennington wrote:
I never said that I was CCP nor am I implying that I am a representative of CCP but I am merely quoting the from the EULA the exploited game mechanic that must be fixed to insure that the Freighter Pilot has the ability to employ other options other than self destructing the freighter, ejecting and abandoning the freighter, having the freighter destroyed by the gank or purchasing a permit in order to escape from being ganked.
All of these actions do violate the Freighter piltos right to enjoy the game based on EULA 16.
CCP has clearly stated about ten thousand times that bumping is a valid game mechanic. You forgot a option in your list. it's called "friends" or even "alts" and using these weird new tools like the "starmap" to avoid warping a hauler into a hot spot. I've even heard tales of some freighter players actually using "friends" in combat ships to assist them and escort them. Sure makes a lot more sense then flying a giant space brick around totally blind, refusing to use any of the tools that CCP provides to keep yourself self, then crying all over the forums when things don't go well. CCP says no, and however you personally read the EULA is without meaning - what actually has meaning is what CCP has said, and they have clearly said "NO" to your thought process, about 4 dozen times. Perhaps you should take a moment to use the search tool and look up CCP's response to this?
While I support your position and admire your alliance, your grammar is severely lacking.
What I think our OP is failing to understand(to reiterate it more bluntly and plainly) is the the EULA exists to justify CCP's actions towards their customer base. It is not a constitutional bill of rights. (I find it shocking that I had to say this)
Edit: Wow, I thought I was posting in the other topic. These all look the same with all the whining. Schrodinger's Hot Dropper - The Fate of Forum Alts - Click me! Click me! |
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Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
2370
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Posted - 2014.08.03 12:50:00 -
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DrysonBennington wrote:
I never said that I was CCP nor am I implying that I am a representative of CCP but I am merely quoting the from the EULA the exploited game mechanic that must be fixed to insure that the Freighter Pilot has the ability to employ other options other than self destructing the freighter, ejecting and abandoning the freighter, having the freighter destroyed by the gank or purchasing a permit in order to escape from being ganked.
All of these actions do violate the Freighter piltos right to enjoy the game based on EULA 16.
Freighters never were, are not now, and will never be ships for the solo pilot. If you need to fly one, then you need a friend in your corp. Or an alt in your corp. Or an enemy in your corp - though I don't particularly recommend that last one. You need someone who will web your freighter during alignment so that it can warp off to an off-grid safe spot in a reasonably timely fashion.
Don't complain because a group of players are capitalizing on the weaknesses of your ship that you aren't compensating for by flying it the way it was meant to be flown. |
De'Veldrin
Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders
2723
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Posted - 2014.08.03 13:02:00 -
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DJentropy Ovaert wrote: You forgot a option in your list. it's called "friends" or even "alts" and using these weird new tools like the "starmap" to avoid warping a hauler into a hot spot. I've even heard tales of some freighter players actually using "friends" in combat ships to assist them and escort them.
I have said it before, and I will say it again. Friends are clearly OP, and CCP should nerf friends. De'Veldrin's Corallary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null. |
Abel Kugisa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2014.08.03 20:00:00 -
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Alvatore DiMarco wrote: Freighters never were, are not now, and will never be ships for the solo pilot. If you need to fly one, then you need a friend in your corp. Or an alt in your corp. Or an enemy in your corp - though I don't particularly recommend that last one. You need someone who will web your freighter during alignment so that it can warp off to an off-grid safe spot in a reasonably timely fashion.
Don't complain because a group of players are capitalizing on the weaknesses of your ship that you aren't compensating for by flying it the way it was meant to be flown.
You don't really believe that using this trick is how it was meant to be, do you? You can fly a freighter solo. Almost everyone does it, most of them know what they are doing. Even I let my slaves sometimes fly my freighter solo. |
Christopher Mabata
Dominion Tenebrarum Reverberation Project
86
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Posted - 2014.08.11 01:57:00 -
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Cloaky freighters? Can i get a NOPE
Something that big, slow, and is basically a flying cargo bay with engines does not have the ability to facilitate an advanced device such as a cloaking device. Also you said jump freighters were too expensive, well these would probably cost you the same if not more,
bad idea please never speak of this again
Is it bad if your friend says "that was a Metaphor" and you say "Meta 4? Get Tech II or faction" ?I love the sound of silent explosions in Space.-á |
epicurus ataraxia
Lazerhawks
999
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Posted - 2014.08.12 23:34:00 -
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Whilst travelling with a freighter between the trade hubs there are not a lot of options where using scouts would help as there are always hotspots. And while I sympathise with your concerns, Ganking for profit is a valid playstyle that many use to fund other activities or just because they enjoy it.
CCP naturally will atempt to keep the predators from making the prey extinct or the prey overrunning everything, but micromanagement is not really their concern in a sandbox.
If you feel the balance is wrong, it is probably better to attack that directly, a cloaked freighter, would gain no advantage as it could be bumped either way, if you see a whale and you are 5 feet away from it you can still throw the harpoon quite effectively.
The only current mechanics to reduce your risk are to use a webbing alt, to reduce time on gate, travel with friends who bump the bumpers, or simply keep the profitability for gankers low.
Remember it is not neccessary to run faster than the bear, just quicker than your companions. There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE |
Christopher Mabata
Dominion Tenebrarum Reverberation Project
100
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Posted - 2014.08.12 23:45:00 -
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I'm a particular fan of the bear and whale analogies, very well said Is it bad if your friend says "that was a Metaphor" and you say "Meta 4? Get Tech II or faction" ?I love the sound of silent explosions in Space.-á |
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