Fallen Seal should have been banned.

The Code members involved in this latest rubbish should be banned.

But none of that will happen unless it is petitioned (My understanding is that a petition has been made and Code are dealing withi it internally also).

The OP of this thread should be banned too.

Let it drop and let these things be dealt with in the right place. At least, if you are going to come whine in the forum on an issue like this, do it objectively and not with your one sided opinion about who is worse.

The more detail-oriented guys with the times and dates have petitions up mate.

Exactly.

So why bring this bullshit to the forum like a whiny little kid who just sees an opportunity to make his own point at the expense of an already poor situation.

Because they targeted the inner mind of my friend, who'd lost his wife, and did a cynical assault on it. And they insulted the deceased. That's enough for me. Actually I hope either I or the culprit get banned. That would leave no gray areas.

Why am I not surprised code are not only bad people in game, but bad people in real life to. So sick of reading about them, and this is very much a perma ban worthy incident.

If you think the actions of 2 people apply to everyone who has fun in game through the Code, then you must surely think everyone else (I'm also in the everyone else category, as are you I'm guessing) must also be bad people in real life based on the actions of Fallen Seal prior to the stupidity of the Code guys.

Would that be right? You're a bad person also because of Fallen Seal.

I meant the ban being for those involved with this situation obviously...not their whole entire group. That should have been obvious but you were to busy trying to run to the rescue and defend code.

But... thereafter, CODE's designated diplomat (who is, incidentally, a member of the current CSM)

CODE's designated diplomat (who is, incidentally, a member of the current CSM)

Just a nitpick, I assume you're referring to DJentropy Ovaert?

He's not on the CSM, that's DJ FunkyBacon.

The Code members involved in this latest rubbish should be banned - but it was down outside EvE.

It seems these ppl are unavoidable filth of EvE .

it is hard to draw a line what is vid game and what is rl life to ppl who don't have any.

I pity them.

Khergit, I think you shouldn't lend your name to defend Gorila. His comments were inappropriate, he tried and failed to finger loyalanon for reprehensible comments against his wife, which were never actually made.

Now that the smear campaign has failed, Gorila is fueling more drama.

Is this really someone you want to defend?

Can you prove it was them?

No, of course not and not trying to. Should say, all involved irrespective of side, should be banned, but it was all done out of game, which complicates things.

The problem with banning code members is the vast majority of them are throwaway alts.

The problem with banning code members is the vast majority of them are throwaway alts.
Now, if CCP had the stones to ban all accounts associated that share the same IP, plus anyone who publicly donated cash, (plus all associated accounts of the same IP) to this group of pure evil, that would be start.

But of course, that won't happen. Too many prominent players might actually go down. let alone the financial hit to CCP.

Instead, I'd like to see them take action against all the real life threats and flagrant verbal abuse being thrown around by our detractors. You know, since that actually is a violation of the EULA and ganking is not.

I've heard some crap from these "people" that I wouldn't hear in a warzone. That's why I give to CODE, after all. Because that kind of abuse needs to be persecuted relentlessly.

Yes, you and CODE. are righteous champions of justice. Ever occur to you that those threats and verbal abuse come right after you gank them?

Yes, you and CODE. are righteous champions of justice. Ever occur to you that those threats and verbal abuse come right after you gank them?

I don't believe I ever said they were justified, only that they were caused by it.

I don't believe I ever said they were justified, only that they were caused by it.

So you agree that there is no excuse for it? That it's not justified?

No, they're caused by bad attitudes on the part of the person who failed to defend themselves.

And, to answer your question, no. They don't just do that when they get ganked, they do it if they see a CODE corp ticker, they do it if you mention the word "permit", and they do it if you even question their supposed right to be afk in open space.

No, they're caused by bad attitudes on the part of the person who failed to defend themselves.

And, to answer your question, no. They don't just do that when they get ganked, they do it if they see a CODE corp ticker, they do it if you mention the word "permit", and they do it if you even question their supposed right to be afk in open space.

However, they have recently begun what I consider a campaign that borders on new player harassment. That is not something I find acceptable in any way and the attitudes shown by their recent victims may have something to do with the fact that they have only been playing for less than a week and aren't even aware of what's expected of them.

Normally I have no problem with CODE. and it's roleplaying as gankers of the "New Order". However, they have recently begun what I consider a campaign that borders on new player harassment. That is not something I find acceptable in any way and the attitudes shown by their recent victims may have something to do with the fact that they have only been playing for less than a week and aren't even aware of what's expected of them.

You're going to need to provide evidence for this claim. Pardon us if we don't take you at your word.

Edit: Please do it in a way that adheres to the forum rules.

I did not know you were another one of the acolytes of this group.
That explains a lot.

I know you're already aware of the Venture Kills Competition and with killboards like these I don't know how you can argue it's anything but rookie griefing. If you look up the names of the victims you can see that most are less than a week old.

Long ago, it's reported that a person opposed to The New Order of Halaima (hereinafter "CODE." or "ganker") got involved in a Local Chat battle. Local Chat battles seem to very enjoyable events for CODE. members. They are something of a separate sport outside of piloting ships, it seems. If there is an intermission on the action, CODE. can often be counted on to do its best to whip up some intermission entertainment in Local Chat. Sometimes they can be quite diligent and persistent about it, as if trying to force a response.

In any event, on one of those occasions, reportedly, the person opposed to CODE. that we speak of (hereinafter "F. SEAL") made a comment or comments about text in a ganker individual's bio. The text was a tribute to a deceased member of the EVE community. Unforgivable and tasteless conduct, I think any reader will agree. But apparently, that communication was made in Local Chat, or perhaps Private Convo. In any event, it was communicated to a limited audience, and the text of limited duration, subject to being lost unless deliberately found by Scroll Up.

But... thereafter, CODE's designated diplomat (who is, incidentally, a member of the current CSM), posted notice of that Local Chat communication here in General Discussion. By this writer's reading of the post, the content could be summarized as: "A member of the anti-ganking community said something foul and despicable about a murdered member of the EVE community. But out of respect, etc., etc., we'll let it drop." Said post thereby (in this writer's opinion), not limiting the damage of a harmful but temporary Local Chat post, but instead spreading it's exposure to the entire General Discussion-reading community. Where it notice of the harm would sit and be accessed by otherwise unknowing people over a period of days.

Time passed. CODE. people and anti-ganker people battled in space and in Local Chat. All was well. Then, a prominent member of the anti-ganking community posted on his blog that his spouse had passed away. It seems it was only a matter of time before CODE., with its love of prolonged Local Chat/Private Convo mind fooking, could not resist working that vulnerable point. The attack on the player featured The Conference Elite (main CODE. corp) loyalanon digging the player about his deceased wife in Convo, with prolonged gang-up/tag-team support. (An interesting detail: A Conference Elite corp member saying "and you're still doing her.") So much for "We're so offended about offensive chatting"....

The player quit the game, apparently he also took down all of his gankerbumping blogs. So I can't link the chat log that he'd posted. I or somebody can get the documentation though.

In summary: a) If you want to make hay with hypocritical propoganda, best do it right. It may make you look stupid if you get caught. b) Welcome to the Bonus Room, round 2! Same old thing, new package. c)

Did a 6 mile run today, in the heat, and then some time to think in the shade, with a jug of water.

I decided this morning that I can no longer tell other people who are into online games that I play Eve. Thing is, every time I did, I got my balls busted for it.

It's also starting to appear obvious at this point that no matter what they do to improve the game (and what CCP is doing is actually very good, IMO they are innovative and responsive to the community and I have not seen better anywhere else) the reputation of the game precedes it. I find myself hemming and hawing on that, saying "well, they are improving it, um... ". I'm also starting to want to see the actual statistic of "individuals" versus number of accounts to get the real number of actual subscribers instead of how many individual accounts there are. Just wondering.


Then this.


We need to have limits. Or we won't have a game. Or maybe we will have a game, but nobody will play it, and then we have good people working hard on improving the game, and anybody coming in to try it will leave in an hour with that "I don't feel like paying to babysit" feeling.

We will have this problem as long as there are people willing to abuse other people's misfortunes as a way to "attack" the "other guys".

In my book, the "Hey guys look what those dude's said about (person's misfortune)" are just as disgusting as the people who actually use a person's misfortune as a weapon, and the people who fake a misfortune like family death as a ploy to "trap" people.

It's all screwed up emotional manipulation no matter the context.

The incredible amount of verbal abuse and real life threats being slung at gankers did not start, nor will it end, with the venture killing contest. (which, by the way, is pretty fun)

*leafs through hatemail*

Ah, here we are. I have one from nearly a year ago, in which the individual says that he wishes that I, and I quote: "get ass cancer and die in a gutter somewhere where the homeless will **** (my) corpse". There were a bunch of exclamation points and it was cleaned up some, but that's a pretty close paraphrase. His character was three years old at the time of the evemail.

This is not about new players. It's about entitlement, and the ugly mindset that accompanies it.

Really? Where's your evidence for that?

Completely agree, however the only to put a stop to this is for CCP to come down very hard on people who do use the misfortunes of others to attack people.

If CCP do this and importantly are consistent, then less people will do this as they know they will be punished.

Um... as a moderator for 14 years for some websites with rather huge egos, I have to remind you that someone saying they hope you die of cancer (though not nice) and someone saying they will or are planning to kill/harm/give you such a pinch are two entirely different things.

So please don't be a part of that. Know what a threat is, and know what simple hate mail is. As one who has had to provide logs because someone made a threat, and look over the evidence, I think I'm most qualified to know the difference.

Fake a tragedy to farm sympathy/trap others=ban

Why?

We know for a fact that CCP can and has drawn on out of game sources for material with which to ban someone(they've done this a bunch of times), so why are any of these people allowed to play the game anymore?

Because they don't get reported?
CCP will punish EULA violations, but they can only do that if they're aware of it in the first place.

Pulling crap like "Mwaahaa, I'll tell everyone I have cancer, and when those awful (group X) people make fun of it, I'll get them banned/harassed/looked down on!" is quite frankly, disgusting. It's a pretty huge breach of the RL/game divide, only done to manipulate others, and ends up generating even more drama and ill-will than needed.

Oh, I agree on that part.

I thought you meant that I should get banned if I told people my husband died and I'm 7 months pregnant so I need isk to plex my account.

Heh heh, there was a reddit thread a while back where someone was willing to pay isk for somebody to do his math homework for him.

Isn't that RMT tho?

Isn't that RMT tho?

The incredible amount of verbal abuse and real life threats being slung at gankers did not start, nor will it end, with the venture killing contest. (which, by the way, is pretty fun)

*leafs through hatemail*

Ah, here we are. I have one from nearly a year ago, in which the individual says that he wishes that I, and I quote: "get ass cancer and die in a gutter somewhere where the homeless will **** (my) corpse". There were a bunch of exclamation points and it was cleaned up some, but that's a pretty close paraphrase. His character was three years old at the time of the evemail.

This is not about new players. It's about entitlement, and the ugly mindset that accompanies it.

No.

Not to say that it's allowed, but it kind of fails the definition of RMT.

Why am I not surprised code are not only bad people in game, but bad people in real life to. So sick of reading about them, and this is very much a perma ban worthy incident.

Smacktalk

The thing that you get when you decide to engage in mind-dumbing activity, an activity that would instantly justify Don Quixote's battle against windmills as a worthy cause or an activity which does not provide any meaningful content whatsoever. All-3-combo included.

As long as we have one side that does not have any meaningful downside for their actions and another that is impotent to do anything other than fish the killmails (you know the proper term for this... I'm just being polite) with CONCORD, you will have this Mexican standoff situation with a lot of foul mouth from all involved parties.

Enjoy the "emergent gameplay" and "community made content"... or the complete lack of both.

Because that's how people work.....

Exactly!

Pretty much what Christina Project said above... you have to have the personality that enjoys this kind of stuff to do it in the first place, or simple put, you wouldn't - that simple!

It's unlikey players who despise what CODE. does will be drawn to join them, ergo those who do enjoy this kind of activity will want to join, partake and up the ante...

It's unlikey players who despise what CODE. does will be drawn to join them, ergo those who do enjoy this kind of activity will want to join, partake and up the ante...

OMG COMMON SENSE!
THANK YOU ERIN!

I have converted more than a few people to the CODE way of thinking...

No shortage of those.

I'm sure you have, as that was exactly what they ended up wanting or they, simply again, wouldn't have joined. The fact that they were miners in the first place makes no difference - only what they end up doing does.


That's the thing about humans, there'll never be a shortage for anything... and is the reason why CODE. will always exist, one way or another, in this game.

lol, I like making myself feel clever by stating the obvious!

I think he meant "not being afk" etc,
but its sad and stupid he calls it the code way,
ignoring that they did not actually invent that.

Propaganda machine showing its working.

I'm sure you have, as that was exactly what they ended up wanting or they, simply again, wouldn't have joined. The fact that they were miners in the first place makes no difference - only what they end up doing does.

O...k? What is your point?

Are you going with the tired old "you can't make people PvP if they don't think it's fun" argument, or what?

you have to have the personality that enjoys this kind of stuff to do it in the first place, or simple put, you wouldn't - that simple!

Just that one has to have that type of character or personality, even if it comes out later, that's all.

Nah, not at all. Just that if you enjoy this then that's what you enjoy and that's because of personality - so simple.

I'm not arguing in any direction, was actually just agreeing with what Christina Project said: that whatever you do, in RL or in game, is merely a reflection of your personality.

Are you going with the tired old "you can't make people PvP if they don't think it's fun" argument, or what? I honestly don't know where you're going with this.

Edit -- and, I think I totally misread the tone of your post the first time through, Kaarous.

Why am I not surprised code are not only bad people in game, but bad people in real life to. So sick of reading about them, and this is very much a perma ban worthy incident.

It takes effort to roleplay the villain for normal people, if you are already a sociopath and arse****, of course it takes very little effort since its your nature.

Code members have time and again trespassed the boundaries of what can be called human behavior which brings me to the point were I do not believe them to be roleplaying arse**** but RL arse***** as well.

It takes effort to roleplay the villain for normal people, if you are already a socio path and arse****, of course it takes very little effort since its your nature. Code caters to that, in fact CCP caters to that as well, the "be a villain" ad sadly does not attract the GHSC kind of guy or the eve bank heist kind of guy but the small sociopath arse**** kind of guy. Which is why CCP should really think about that kind of Ad campaign since its not the schoolyard bully that made EvE famous but the guy who invested months and years for his heist.

I would not mind if Code was just another pirate gang, in fact I find the miners permit scam very much in line with EvE's general gameplay but Code members have time and again trespassed the boundaries of what can be called human behavior which brings me to the point were I do not believe them to be roleplaying arse**** but being RL arse***** as well.

It takes effort to roleplay the villain for normal people, if you are already a sociopath and arse****, of course it takes very little effort since its your nature. Code caters to that, in fact CCP caters to that as well, the "be a villain" ad sadly does not attract the GHSC kind of guy or the eve bank heist kind of guy but the small sociopath arse**** kind of guy. Which is why CCP should really think about that kind of Ad campaign since its not the schoolyard bully that made EvE famous but the guy who invested months and years for his heist.

I would not mind if Code was just another pirate gang, in fact I find the miners permit scam very much in line with EvE's general gameplay but Code members have time and again trespassed the boundaries of what can be called human behavior which brings me to the point were I do not believe them to be roleplaying arse**** but being RL arse***** as well.

I rather doubt that enjoying a videogame requires a specific personality type.

That, or because it's just fun? That's what videogames are for, after all.

IGÇÖm not arguing in any direction, was actually just agreeing with what Christina Project said: that whatever you do, in RL or in game, is merely a reflection of your personality.

No, I really don't think so. You do realize video games are make believe, right?

So, condense the two above and you get: What you do in RL or in-game are both reflections of your persona.

why thank you polarising nameless faceless npc.
Now i see that i hunt my fellow capsuleer because i am in fact a Sociopathic predator with a perphensiy for collecting corpses in real life.
how did i miss this all these years well adjusted family life.

I already< know you are a low level wanna be school yard bully I thank you for confirming my earlier post.

And I seriously doubt you ever had social interaction with a female, a cat or even any other animal that is capable of higher brain functions.

And I seriously doubt you ever had social interaction with a female [remainder redacted]

You are soo wide of the mark im not even annoyed with you.

Seriously, we're all here to try having a good time.
For some of us, that's building sandcastles.
For others, it's kicking them over.

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