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Sponge Bobb
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Posted - 2006.07.13 09:28:00 -
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2006.07.13 09:31:00 -
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Eve-Tanking.com - For tanking spreadsheet and resources. |
Zuper Phrend
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Posted - 2006.07.13 09:32:00 -
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Edited by: Zuper Phrend on 13/07/2006 09:32:44 You guys ***** me up
EDIT: The *'d out word is a certain drug that is also synonymous with "laugh" and "split-open"
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Sponge Bobb
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Posted - 2006.07.13 09:34:00 -
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dam pressed enter in the topic box well heres the thread lol
wht do u think is more plausable somone employing an army of people to sit at computers costing 1000s of pounds not to mentiomn having to pay them somthing. having to manage a buisniss and i assume some sort od office/building to pay for to condiuct the operation.
or just use 1 computer or small network to run several clients with macro programs running them.
one seems expensive and very complex the other is efficeint and has little or no overheads.
dont flame this if just a thought
i mean has anyone actualy SEEN one of these so called sweatshops in action or is it just rumours
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Alan Bell
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Posted - 2006.07.13 09:35:00 -
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asia? http://coldfusion.online-guild.com |
Zuper Phrend
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Posted - 2006.07.13 09:35:00 -
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Yes, there have been documentaries on the sweat shops.
The problem with your line of thought is that you assume that labor is expensive everywhere.
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Sponge Bobb
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Posted - 2006.07.13 09:38:00 -
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cheep labour in third world countries and child labour is nothing new to me.
but u missid my point u DONT have to pay a macro anything it dosnt get tired, go to the toilet, phone in or be off sick it dosnt complain it just gets on with it flawless for free..
every buisness in the world automates when it can i mean soon we will have automated burger flippers at macdonnalds lol.
no buisniss will pay humans to do a job when a bot can do it better for FREE !!!!
thinki about it
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Zuper Phrend
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Posted - 2006.07.13 09:41:00 -
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the Macroing can only go so far -- the sweatshops DO utilize macros, but they still need human elements to do a lot of tasks. I think for EVE, the sweatshops do 3-4 computers per "laborer"
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Sponge Bobb
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Posted - 2006.07.13 09:49:00 -
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why do they need human influance i could do it myself if i wanted 4 computers 4 clients 16 macros thats 16 accounts wouldnt take much brains to make that 20 computers and so on at most id need a 1 or 2 more people,
when u say sweatshop isk farmers u get the immages of tons of poor little asian minions slaving away at thier compuetrs makin isk for there evil ebaying masters. paying them a bowl of rice a month fot thier troubles.
more likley 1-3 people with macro programs
the point is isk farmer = macro user we cant defend isk farmers who have a gang macromining ban tham all
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Res Tance
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Posted - 2006.07.13 09:52:00 -
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Originally by: Sponge Bobb
when u say sweatshop isk farmers u get the immages of tons of poor little asian minions slaving away at thier compuetrs makin isk for there evil ebaying masters. paying them a bowl of rice a month fot thier troubles.
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Sponge Bobb
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Posted - 2006.07.13 10:06:00 -
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oooh yea its on the internet so it must be true
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look we are all doomed
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Callistus
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Posted - 2006.07.13 10:14:00 -
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Edited by: Callistus on 13/07/2006 10:14:01
Originally by: Sponge Bobb oooh yea its on the internet so it must be true
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look we are all doomed
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Sergeant Spot
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Posted - 2006.07.13 11:14:00 -
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Yep, I believe in Isk farming sweat shops
Which is THE reason I view sale of GTCs as the "lesser" evil (it sucks, but some things suck worse)
Someone wants Isk? Buy GTCs and sell em for Isk. If an Isk seller buys them, he now has GTCs, and not cash.
While GTCs will never eliminate the Ebay isk, they do consumn a lot of that market, thus screwing over the Ebay sellers. GTCs are risk free, unlike Ebay.
GTCs for Isk suck, yes, in that, they SHOULD be condemned. But I've yet to hear better ideas.
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Mathias Black
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Posted - 2006.07.13 11:31:00 -
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You can farm ISK with just macros, but you can farm more with both macros and humans. If you are somewhere you can pay the humans less money than the ebay cost of the extra ISK they generate, then you have a good reason to hire them.
That said, I would assume that EvE probably has less human farmers and more macros since it is much easier to macro your way to wealth than in other MMO's. Games like WoW that require combat to farm gold at a good rate are harder to macro and thus use more human farmers.
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Miss Overlord
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Posted - 2006.07.13 11:36:00 -
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30c an hour seems to be the going rate for payments in these sweatshops - usually organised crime or government officals running it thing is its usually unemployed university graduates taht end u apparently working in these places yes it does exist but hey dont buy ingame ISK and youre right - its against the EULA anywya
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Sensor Error
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Posted - 2006.07.13 11:42:00 -
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Edited by: Sensor Error on 13/07/2006 11:42:55
Originally by: Sponge Bobb dam pressed enter in the topic box well heres the thread lol
wht do u think is more plausable somone employing an army of people to sit at computers costing 1000s of pounds not to mentiomn having to pay them somthing. having to manage a buisniss and i assume some sort od office/building to pay for to condiuct the operation.
or just use 1 computer or small network to run several clients with macro programs running them.
one seems expensive and very complex the other is efficeint and has little or no overheads.
dont flame this if just a thought
i mean has anyone actualy SEEN one of these so called sweatshops in action or is it just rumours
normally it's one computer controlling multiple accounts simultaneously, and getting paid like 50p a day. Quite a lot of the sweat shops do use macros, but it's supervised macro'ing...
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Jacob Holland
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Posted - 2006.07.13 11:49:00 -
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Given that there was a piece on the BBC last night on the subject, including an interview with the guy who ran one of the six "Gold Farming" operations in the small town concerned I would say that Sweatshop farming operations definitely exist.
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.07.13 12:29:00 -
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The only one *proven* by major news media was in Mexico, FYI.
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Infinity Ziona
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Posted - 2006.07.13 12:37:00 -
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Why do people assume that its 'Asians' running or participating in these things. I would bet there are as many or more european, arabic, south and central American countries involved in this as there are asian countries.
Poverty is not limited to Asia, its a global tragedy.
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Kalaan Oratay
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Posted - 2006.07.13 12:41:00 -
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Originally by: Infinity Ziona Why do people assume that its 'Asians' running or participating in these things. I would bet there are as many or more european, arabic, south and central American countries involved in this as there are asian countries.
Poverty is not limited to Asia, its a global tragedy.
Well, every evemail advertising a website selling isk Ive recieved, has had that website resolved to Asia through DNS lookups.
--- Originally by: Archilies Ignore what others say: Fit what you want, with what you have, whenever you want.
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.07.13 12:44:00 -
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Edited by: Maya Rkell on 13/07/2006 12:45:04
Originally by: Infinity Ziona Poverty is not limited to Asia, its a global tragedy.
And that has WHAT to do with it? It's not the farmers themselves who get the profits, it's the corperate bosses...
Kalaan Oratay, websites sure..because it's harder to shut them down with complaints. That really dosn't mean ANYTHING else, tbh.
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Corunna ElMan
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Posted - 2006.07.13 12:48:00 -
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Originally by: Infinity Ziona Poverty is not limited to Asia, its a global tragedy.
Actually, poverty is when the land doesn't produce enough resources to support its population.
The REAL tragedy is overpopulation. Perhaps these countries with 1 billion inhabitants wouldn't be so impoverished if they weren't producing more people than resources.
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Infinity Ziona
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Posted - 2006.07.13 13:04:00 -
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Originally by: Corunna ElMan
Originally by: Infinity Ziona Poverty is not limited to Asia, its a global tragedy.
Actually, poverty is when the land doesn't produce enough resources to support its population.
The REAL tragedy is overpopulation. Perhaps these countries with 1 billion inhabitants wouldn't be so impoverished if they weren't producing more people than resources.
In most cases theres plenty to go around, the problem is its 'owned' by someone else.
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Emmy Marsin
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Posted - 2006.07.13 13:10:00 -
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Nobody ever mentions the people actually BUYING the ISK. If people weren't buying it, nobody (from any country) would mass farm it.
I think ISK farming is far less of a problem in EVE than it is in other games however. It's not difficult to make ISK in EVE in comparison to other games. Indirectly buying ISK (GTC's) is even approved of by CCP themselves.
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Gariuys
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Posted - 2006.07.13 13:22:00 -
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Nope they're a complex scheme cooked up by nasty aliens that want to convert all real life cash into virtual cash so our economy crashes and they can take over the WORLD HA HA HA HA ( lots more evil laughter )
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Corunna ElMan
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Posted - 2006.07.14 02:59:00 -
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Originally by: PeeWee Pee not rly dude. buy isk in eve is more useful becoz loser corps and alliances very desperate. you pin em down they can buy a number of pos and rock on.
that who macro miners and gtc isk sellers munch on. its a vicious cycle dude
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Corunna ElMan
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Posted - 2006.07.14 04:22:00 -
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Edited by: Corunna ElMan on 14/07/2006 04:21:53
Originally by: Infinity Ziona In most cases theres plenty to go around, the problem is its 'owned' by someone else.
Actually, in most cases there is not - what little there is will be fought for.
Somalia and Ethiopia are not verdant, lush arable land - they're man made desert that cannot support the numbers that reside there. Yet, we are the only animal stupid enough to persist in living somewhere that cannot sustain us. When other animals do so, they meet with predation or a die-back.
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PeeWee Pee
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Posted - 2006.07.14 16:28:00 -
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Originally by: Rend'rin Sorrows My thoughts are a bit more cynical on this subject. Take a moment, and consider the main avenues of ISK sales. Online megashops, and ebay stores. These "conglomerates" sell items and currency for nearly every MMORPG available. Those are the easy targets, so why are they still up and running? Out of the 3-4 major ones, they are still up and running. CCP has the ability to track ISK flow from character to character. Why are they not buying small increments of ISK or ships from these companies and promptly shutting them down? Freezing assets of entire accounts, and connecting credit card numbers and names with other accounts? I have my own beliefs on this, but i would not care to express them in this forum. I like playing eve, and i certainly do not wish to insult or accuse anyone of less than moral behavior... But think about it, who stands to benefit the most from selling ISK, GOLD, ARMOR, SHIPS, etc? Usually the parties with unlimited supplies of it...
careful dude! what are you instigating fool?
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