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Winthorp
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Posted - 2014.08.06 20:41:00 -
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Can we please get a list of what the second static will be and what current c4 they will match up with please? |
Winthorp
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Posted - 2014.08.06 22:15:00 -
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So many bear tears here, really you have had it too good for too long hidden away in chains that don't interconnect with larger chains and that time is over accept it now or leave.
I recently moved to a C4 and I can't wait for the added opportunity this change will provide in PVP and PVE. I will have to await the list of matching the new statics with current WH's to decide if my current home is optimal to my needs or inhabit a new C4.
This is a long overdue change and combine this with the added effort to roll away the statics I can see a lot more C4 chains being open to "explore". |
Winthorp
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Posted - 2014.08.06 23:56:00 -
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HYPErion me up some C4 tears. |
Winthorp
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Posted - 2014.08.07 04:20:00 -
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BayneNothos wrote:This'll be interesting. Glad there's no K SPace connection, I like being out in deep space.
How will you be assigning the new statics? Opposite of current as in C1-3's get a C4-6 and vise versa? Or completely random selection?
I am very curious of this myself and with all these people leaving C4 space i won't have to invade their hole when theirs has better dual statics then my C4. |
Winthorp
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Posted - 2014.08.07 04:22:00 -
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Farsuth Khand wrote:Blah, no thanks.
More connections is not the issue. You can easily find Wh connections. The problem is finding people online and playing. That is your sticking point. If you reworked PvE content so people would log in to play on a nearly daily basis rather then just to shuffle reaction around or do a little PI. MAKE PVE FUN! that way you will get people logging in. That is how you get player interaction.
Also, remember one of the big draws for Wh living is the isolation. You can be a space hermit in WH space. No place in Eve has the frontier feel that living in a C4 gives you . Adding more statics and increasing the random WH spawn rate will reduce that unique feel. Is it really worth providing a small increase in ganks to potentially eliminate that unique Eve lifestyle?
If you want isolation go rent a dead end nullsec pocket. |
Winthorp
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Posted - 2014.08.07 04:38:00 -
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Farsuth Khand wrote:Winthorp wrote:Farsuth Khand wrote:Blah, no thanks.
More connections is not the issue. You can easily find Wh connections. The problem is finding people online and playing. That is your sticking point. If you reworked PvE content so people would log in to play on a nearly daily basis rather then just to shuffle reaction around or do a little PI. MAKE PVE FUN! that way you will get people logging in. That is how you get player interaction.
Also, remember one of the big draws for Wh living is the isolation. You can be a space hermit in WH space. No place in Eve has the frontier feel that living in a C4 gives you . Adding more statics and increasing the random WH spawn rate will reduce that unique feel. Is it really worth providing a small increase in ganks to potentially eliminate that unique Eve lifestyle? If you want isolation go rent a dead end nullsec pocket. At a much higher cost and you are not holding your own space. You are just a lacky. I like Wh space. I don't really like the way null sec works. At least not a much as WH space.
Well then get on board and accept this change and start looking at what statics would better suit your corp, or look at another Wh class. |
Winthorp
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Posted - 2014.08.07 08:38:00 -
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Kp Amelia wrote:Winthorp wrote:Farsuth Khand wrote:Winthorp wrote:Farsuth Khand wrote:Blah, no thanks.
More connections is not the issue. You can easily find Wh connections. The problem is finding people online and playing. That is your sticking point. If you reworked PvE content so people would log in to play on a nearly daily basis rather then just to shuffle reaction around or do a little PI. MAKE PVE FUN! that way you will get people logging in. That is how you get player interaction.
Also, remember one of the big draws for Wh living is the isolation. You can be a space hermit in WH space. No place in Eve has the frontier feel that living in a C4 gives you . Adding more statics and increasing the random WH spawn rate will reduce that unique feel. Is it really worth providing a small increase in ganks to potentially eliminate that unique Eve lifestyle? If you want isolation go rent a dead end nullsec pocket. At a much higher cost and you are not holding your own space. You are just a lacky. I like Wh space. I don't really like the way null sec works. At least not a much as WH space. Well then get on board and accept this change and start looking at what statics would better suit your corp, or look at another Wh class. Why do you feel the need to add your 5cents every time someone comments with a different view to you? You are insulting people in this thread calling them bears and swinging you d... around like you are the best Pvper alive. Your argument is actually very flawed. I am clearly a Pvper, my two co-owner of our C4 are Pvpers, one being on the top 10 in Eve list last month, but we use our C4 to fund our Pvp not to create it. The only thing this patch will do is benefit large wormhole entities while completely screwing over small groups. CCP claim to be wanting to improve desire for C4s while all this patch will do is make them less desirable. I will say the same thing I have been whining about in this whole thread, CCP if you want to increase risk you need to increase reward, or you are just going to have one more broken system added to your rapidly growing list.
I usually have a no NPC alt discussion policy but i will respond to you this once.
Firstly i didn't call anyone names, calling them a bear is what they are when there only rational for being against this change is we chose this "way of life in isolation" and "this hurts our ability to earn a good income and that's why we chose C4 space".
I think you will find i have more then 5c and i will throw it around however i feel, and i like how all the C4 residents are coming out and engaging on the WH forums for the first time after never having discussed C4 ideas in the countless threads that have discussed them. (The only person i see in here that has ever discussed C4's is from Sama Guild that i threatened to evict form C4 space and now they have left C4 space..... )
CCP seemed to have listened to those threads even know a few people didn't want them to change, why i keep saying what i said before is because CCP didn't listen to all of that discussion on C4's then spend dev time, make dev blogs only to quash it all when the C4 bears get all mad about it.
So you need to accept this and the other changes are now happening and your ranting could be better spent engaging with CCP on how you could make these ideas work better for your groups (Does your NPC corp have groups?). Start talking about the statics you want to match up with the statics you currently have, hell start talking about the mass and time limitations these extra statics will have while they are in this phase of development.
Or well just cry some more about how bad this will be for your bear paradise and get ignored further.
You can thank me later for my wisdom. |
Winthorp
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Posted - 2014.08.07 11:59:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote: We will not be publishing the list of new statics, but players will be able to investigate them on SISI once it is updated with this change. The second statics are not configured as predictably as they are in C2s, but there are still some patterns that can be discovered.
Thanks for answering this. Don't let the bears get you down Fozzie great work. |
Winthorp
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Posted - 2014.08.08 13:10:00 -
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Maul555 wrote:I moved into a C4 for the relative peace and quiet. Please don't turn my system into grand central station...
Peace and quiet, what are you even talking about, are you sitting in your hammock under a shady tree reading a John Grisham novel? |
Winthorp
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Posted - 2014.08.08 13:53:00 -
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Pavel Sohaj wrote:Winthorp wrote:Maul555 wrote:I moved into a C4 for the relative peace and quiet. Please don't turn my system into grand central station... Peace and quiet, what are you even talking about, are you sitting in your hammock under a shady tree reading a John Grisham novel? Unless you play at 4-4 undock all day, you-¦d know C4s are epitome of quiet place for retirement. Now.
I happen to live in a C4. |
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Winthorp
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Posted - 2014.08.09 07:14:00 -
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Odin Skydiver wrote: -20% corp tax
Dafuq |
Winthorp
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Posted - 2014.08.10 06:49:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:
We will not be publishing the list of new statics, but players will be able to investigate them on SISI once it is updated with this change. The second statics are not configured as predictably as they are in C2s, but there are still some patterns that can be discovered.
Can we get a date on this happening and will the move request get us some love or will we have to do it the hard way? |
Winthorp
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Posted - 2014.08.11 02:36:00 -
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Amgurr Alabel wrote:Trinkets friend wrote:
What the FAQ is the problem with this? If you can't figure out how to farm your static, you should move out, right now, and let me move in without having to pick a C4 hole I want, and then waste a weekend expunging your flaccid corpses from it.
The problem is we picked our static when we moved in and we know how to farm it. We can easily farm our c3 and we can hold our own in pvp against most c3 corps. We did not pick a c4/c5 or c4/c6 because we cannot farm them and we cannot for the most part pvp against the groups that live in them. If we are given a second static of c5 or c6 that screws us over.
It is what it is though, so when changes hit you will have to see what your extra static is and either like it or leave it. there will be other C4's that you will like and can take over if your current C4 isn't to your likeing.
P.S i am in the same boat. |
Winthorp
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Posted - 2014.08.11 03:15:00 -
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Amgurr Alabel wrote:Winthorp wrote:Amgurr Alabel wrote:Trinkets friend wrote:
What the FAQ is the problem with this? If you can't figure out how to farm your static, you should move out, right now, and let me move in without having to pick a C4 hole I want, and then waste a weekend expunging your flaccid corpses from it.
The problem is we picked our static when we moved in and we know how to farm it. We can easily farm our c3 and we can hold our own in pvp against most c3 corps. We did not pick a c4/c5 or c4/c6 because we cannot farm them and we cannot for the most part pvp against the groups that live in them. If we are given a second static of c5 or c6 that screws us over. It is what it is though, so when changes hit you will have to see what your extra static is and either like it or leave it. there will be other C4's that you will like and can take over if your current C4 isn't to your likeing. P.S i am in the same boat. Yeah but the fact that they aren't even giving us any warning as to what type of new static we will have is ludicrous. If you are in the same boat then you know that logistics in a c4 is not the easiest thing in the world. Now that is a trade off that was made for being in a secluded WH. What that does mean is it could take some time to actually physically move and set up in a new location. Plus the time that it takes to talk to members and make those decisions ensure everyone is able to get their things out of the hole. This is no small task. This is something we should be able to start doing now if we are going to have to move. Not waiting till patch day to start.
You moved assets into and grew assets into a WH, a dangerous location and you sound like you almost want them to transport your stuff out safely for you.
Changes will go live on SISI before they go live in game as stated by Fozie, so jump on check them out and prepare accordingly. /Shrugs. |
Winthorp
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Posted - 2014.08.11 03:41:00 -
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Amgurr Alabel wrote:fore they go live in game as stated by Fozie, so jump on check them out and prepare accordingly. /Shrugs.
Your right I said please move all of our stuff out of WH for us. Oh wait no I simply asked for time to prepare and do it ourselves if we need to. First of all no one has said when these changes will go on SISI. Even if they went up tomorrow that is only a 2 week period. Also if my character is not in WH on SISI because I have moved it out what are the chances I will just randomly scan down our WH to check it out. [/quote]
Yeah you practically did ask for that. You only have one scan alt in your WH? i sure hope not.
You seem to just be pointlessly whining TBH. Like i said they will go on SISI and you can check before they go live, if that time frame isn't enough then start moving now. So much pointless whining in this thread and none of it of any substance at all. |
Winthorp
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Posted - 2014.08.11 03:48:00 -
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Amgurr Alabel wrote:
Trolls will troll can't even come on with a real character because all you are trying to do is harass other people. Probably don't even live in a WH.
You don't come around here often do you?
Your post merely backs up my other post earlier where i said you are another one that has never interacted with any of the discussions about C4's that have been had time and time again and now when changes are happening you carry on like you have had no warning at all. But because i disagree with you i am trolling you right? Sure...... |
Winthorp
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Posted - 2014.08.11 04:09:00 -
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Amgurr Alabel wrote:Winthorp wrote:Amgurr Alabel wrote:
Trolls will troll can't even come on with a real character because all you are trying to do is harass other people. Probably don't even live in a WH.
You don't come around here often do you? Your post merely backs up my other post earlier where i said you are another one that has never interacted with any of the discussions about C4's that have been had time and time again and now when changes are happening you carry on like you have had no warning at all. But because i disagree with you i am trolling you right? Sure...... No because you take what I am saying and try to say that I am saying things that I am not. Because I have not been included in the conversation since the beginning my thoughts on the topic are invalid or just because they are different from your thoughts? Regardless of how long the conversation has been going on the vast majority of people were not included in the process until the Dev Blogs were posted. I have not once complained about getting a second static my complaint is the way it is being rolled out with very little notice. Also take your pick you can either state that I don't come here often or that I had plenty of warning but not both. As you stated I obviously don't come to the WH forums often and there I did not have any warning until the dev blog was posted. This does not make my opinions invalid as you seem to think.
As stated before you have plenty of warning which yes make your arguments invalid. Its up to you now what you do with your assets/WH.
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Winthorp
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Posted - 2014.08.11 23:59:00 -
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Looks like i will have to wait until changes go live to find my new static as my toon was in Jita last update and they won't move me on SISI.... |
Winthorp
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Posted - 2014.08.12 01:47:00 -
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Plox Pembroke wrote:Winthorp wrote:Looks like i will have to wait until changes go live to find my new static as my toon was in Jita last update and they won't move me on SISI.... Winthorp wrote: Yeah you practically did ask for that. You only have one scan alt in your WH? i sure hope not.
You seem to just be pointlessly whining TBH. Like i said they will go on SISI and you can check before they go live, if that time frame isn't enough then start moving now. So much pointless whining in this thread and none of it of any substance at all.
You only have one scan alt in your wh?
Now who is trolling on your alt...
And no. |
Winthorp
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Posted - 2014.08.12 11:00:00 -
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Pavel Sohaj wrote:Ya Huei wrote:Do you C4 neckbeards also complain this much when you get killed because OMG we're going to have a good time once we get settled in.
nope, thats part of the game. But since your post is just hate, nothing constructive, why bother? Have a good time, bimbo.
His post actualy indicated the positive change that a group like his was considering moving into a C4 once these changes hit. C4 could do with more of his kind and less of yours TBH. |
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Winthorp
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Posted - 2014.08.12 12:06:00 -
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Pavel Sohaj wrote:Winthorp wrote:Pavel Sohaj wrote:Ya Huei wrote:Do you C4 neckbeards also complain this much when you get killed because OMG we're going to have a good time once we get settled in.
nope, thats part of the game. But since your post is just hate, nothing constructive, why bother? Have a good time, bimbo. His post actualy indicated the positive change that a group like his was considering moving into a C4 once these changes hit. C4 could do with more of his kind and less of yours TBH. Game would do well without likes of you too. Care not for your stupid posts I do.
I can't wait until you get ganked so much you move to a C1.
happy dayz |
Winthorp
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Posted - 2014.08.13 05:55:00 -
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Pavel Sohaj wrote: and one less gruop to interact with.
I'm sorry did you interact with us before? |
Winthorp
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Posted - 2014.08.25 08:25:00 -
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Rahelis wrote:CCP does not want ppl to live in WHs. That is and was the original idea - easy to investigate. .
/Sigh, its people like you that fail to ever read devblogs or listen to any outside of game related info that continues to spread the stupid. |
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