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Winthorp
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Posted - 2014.08.12 10:47:00 -
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Jack Miton wrote:calaretu wrote:Jack Miton wrote:calaretu wrote:I have solo closed wormholes in the face of two! hostile fleets. I can not fathom how anyone can call that good game mechanics. if the alternative is your little corp not getting to do anything until the larger corp goes away? yes, I say it is good game mechanics as it allows small corps to continue looking for content when they cant interact with their current chain options. But I could do it risk free. Their fleets wasnt on 0 on wormhole. Thats whats wrong imo. The risk free part. And its only in 5/6-5/6 you have the option of instaclosing. Shoukd small groups be able to live in these systems? I suggest perhaps not. A lot of other systems to live in. And we are making this move ourself as our active numbers had a drop. So yes I dont support the argument that small groups should be able to live in 5/6-5/6 it is NOT risk free. ive killed MANY people closing WHs before and expect to do it again in the future. It isnt hard and there is VERY real risk involved in combat rolling and anyone claiming otherwise is either lying or incompetent.
The point is you have killed stupid people that can't log a simple scout on, once they have a scout they are 100% safe and if they know they are not they don't roll it.
But you can always count on stupid Jack.
It actually disappoints me CCP has listened to all the whining here and is changing this to be more carebear friendly. |
Winthorp
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Posted - 2014.08.12 11:05:00 -
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Pavel Sohaj wrote:
unlike now you could simply roll even when it wasn't safe. AFter change, nope. STuck, log off.
So log off and cry me a river. You rolling your chain safely and then continuing to carebear away benefits no one.
You logging off cause it wasn't perfectly safe for you to achieve a Wh with no entry points actually benefits the rest of the players that actually only PVE to PVP by increasing the value of MNR's when all you whining carebears can't farm more then you should be. |
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Posted - 2014.08.14 11:19:00 -
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Lenroc Elisav wrote:Rek Seven wrote:
Your logic is flawed.. Why do you assume there will be less rage rolling?
If a group wants to rage roll specifically to kill caps, the 2 additional minutes that the change will add to the process, will not stop them.
Farmers will be less likely to roll as they actually have to put their carrier in danger and if they don't want to take that risk, they either have to run sites with open wormholes or log off.
So yeah, it is a direct nerf to farmers like i said... get it?
Erm no . You can't say that rage rolling will take longer, even by 2 minutes which i think is about a 50% increase in time, and then pretend it will have the same effectiveness. And farmers will roll with BS's . But I do agree with you that PvE for small corps receives a nerf too because sometime a small corp will have to log off cause of a very bad connection which will be too risky to close, not that now is risk free as some people pretend. TLDR - can we agree that neither PvE nor PvP are improved by this change? Yes some occasional gank of some poor SOB will happen but .... meh. P.S. By less i meant less effective not that it won't take place, speaking of rage-rolling.
In my opinion it is of no great loss if a smaller PVE group logs off when they see hostiles, there is no difference from that lack of interaction to the lack of interaction with others if they close their Wh safely and then just farm. Both situations result in no interactions with anyone.
The only interactions that they have with other people if they roll their chain is they are cheap ganks for groups that roll in.
So if they log off they log off, no great loss honestly. We talk all the time of the lack of ISK in low class Wh's and yet we are ok with small groups rolling away any danger and jewing away quietly thus lowering MNR prices that is the main ISK source for low class WH's.
Again i say let them log off, no great loss and only benifit to other people in lower class Wh's. |
Winthorp
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Posted - 2014.08.14 14:21:00 -
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Faren Shalni wrote:Sigh CCP better update us on this soon before the WH'ers here continue eating each other and it starts to derail
You think this didn't derail after page 4..... You must be new here. |
Winthorp
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Posted - 2014.08.14 14:23:00 -
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Noxisia Arkana wrote:I do have to ask, why again, there wasn't some kind of debate here since I see 4-5 threads in F&I that ask for feedback and direction (especially from industrialists). For example - asking about changes that people would like to see implemented... https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=360465I mean it is nice to feel like a second class citizen and that your opinion doesn't matter but hey. Just thinking out loud here.
There has been countless debates in this WH subforum, COUNTLESS DEBATES.
I am sorry you have only noticed this subsection and or cared to post here when you saw a dev blog or reddit post, but to say there has been no debates about this stuff is just ludicrous. |
Winthorp
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Posted - 2014.08.14 21:04:00 -
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Lenroc Elisav wrote:OK I understand your position but it seem that you advocate for less populated C5/C6 because all the small corps that are now making a living there will be moving out or sparsely play. It also seems that you think they'll "downgrade" and go live in C4s or smaller but with the increase connectivity for C4s and new frig holes I doubt you are correct but, hey, that's opinion vs opinion so.... On a side note I really don't give a rats arse about the player driven economy (I know others do and I agree is a matter of play-style) but if CCP continues to remove people from space by diminishing the incentives to be there I'm afraid they'll end up with spreadsheets in station instead of spreadsheets in space.
And finally Winthorp do you really think this change is the best way to increase the risk of rolling worm-holes? I bet people will find ways to roll with BS's effectively (if they can be bothered too) and we are going to be stuck with incapacitated offensive capitals (yes Nestors I know) and with a weakness against null alliances that will be better suited to control wh-null worm-holes and will always have the numbers advantage.
I have always said that i don't agree with the numbers given for this change but yes i do feel this change is a step in the right direction and CCP themselves have proven recently the will to make changes after the fact if things havn't worked out so well so i trust that they will jump in if things get dire as you all think will, i do not think it will come to that.
Sadly you need to consider the player economy though as that is probably 90% of why people come to WH space to begin with, but the state of farming in C5/6 space really needs a shakeup i hope you can agree on that part. (p.S i really don't think the majority will move out of C5/6 space at all, farmers will always adapt)
Now if that does get shaken up then you will be left with PVP entities in C5/6 space or at least PVP entities that do use their ISK to fund PVP within WH space and not the state we are in now where the great majority of the farmers use our space to fund their Null/LS PVP, that i can't abide with and that is why i support these changes.
I also don't think C4's will be a wasteland like the hysteria suggests, sure will it take a little longer to roll their unwanted connections? Yes and they will be at a touch more risk when doing so and may lose an extra BS or two but it really wont be the end of the world as they are calling it. CCP has already stated they are looking at the ISK income of WH sites so there will be extra incentive to take the extra risk that is given.
No change CCP can make will suit everyone 100% but man they needed to start somewhere because it isnt at all ideal the way it is. |
Winthorp
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Posted - 2014.08.15 23:44:00 -
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Kirasten wrote:
25 pages and counting is enough. Make your move.
CCP made their move, its actually your turn now. |
Winthorp
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Posted - 2014.08.16 01:21:00 -
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Kirasten wrote:Winthorp wrote:Kirasten wrote:
25 pages and counting is enough. Make your move.
CCP made their move, its actually your turn now. Did they post something I missed? All I have seen is speculation over what people think the meaning is behind very sparse replies from ccp.
No actually, CCP have listened to years of discussions and ideas/feedback and have made their move with Hyperion so it is your move now with what you do and then if the changes don't work out so well they will make further changes.
People that keep whining about the changes and they need to not be made need to realise CCP have spent dev time on this, they have had some serious thought about it and will implement these changes and see how they play out. I expect they will change a few of the spawn numbers downwards but they won't scrap these changes. |
Winthorp
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Posted - 2014.08.17 07:34:00 -
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Hatshepsut IV wrote:
I'm a chef.
I don't cook by vote either, but by the same token you better don't put something on the menu you know 90 percent of your customers won't eat/order.
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So as a chef you never put new things on the menu just because a few rich old and bitter neckbeards say it will taste ****?
Maybe you would be a better chef if like CCP you tried out a few new dishes and see if the other less vocal people end up really loving them, you never know it could be a real hit and if its not you can always go back to the same boring meal you have been dishing up for years. |
Winthorp
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Posted - 2014.08.17 09:36:00 -
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So after listening to the town hall section that was regarding mass/distance i heard a lot of people claim some absurd **** like they kill 3-4 caps hole rolling a week... (Your KB's tells me that's not so true..........)
There has been so many other people mention that they constantly catch caps rolling and TBH i think its bullshit, sure i have killed caps rolling and a cap gank is easy to set up but it really isn't anywhere near what you claim.
Please post your SUCCESSIVE hole rolling cap KM's to prove me wrong. (Don't bother posting me the KM you got 3 weeks ago then 4 months prior to that...) |
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Winthorp
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Posted - 2014.08.17 12:16:00 -
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jonnykefka wrote:Well this is going to make everything in w-space tedious and make combat as we know it a jumbled mess. I'm going to let my sub run out after the patch, it's not worth my limited playtime to deal with this.
Can i have your stuff?
Seriously though will that mean only 2 other people left active in ADHOC? |
Winthorp
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Posted - 2014.08.22 13:35:00 -
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epicurus ataraxia wrote: Universal rejection of the principles of the change Large, Medium and small all very against it, and the consensus was it was bad in every way for the game.
Yeah it was not "universal" at all. |
Winthorp
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Posted - 2014.08.22 14:10:00 -
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epicurus ataraxia wrote:Winthorp wrote:epicurus ataraxia wrote: Universal rejection of the principles of the change Large, Medium and small all very against it, and the consensus was it was bad in every way for the game.
Yeah it was not "universal" at all. Agreed, there was you, sorry I forgot. .
Yeah it was only me.... Sigh..
Please continue going full ******. |
Winthorp
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Posted - 2014.08.22 21:58:00 -
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Valenthe de Celine wrote: I'm sure when gates in 0.0 have polarization and cynos give a mass based random chance for scatter placing your fleet of supers out of position of each other the Null crowd will have a 500 page thread of tears. In the meantime, please don't bother commenting on a sector of space you just visit briefly on the way back to your hovels out in the big blue donut. Unlike in Nullsec, most everyone in WH space is actively trying to kill you, not just exact tolls to cover Sov bills in exchange for blue status.
If you ever bothered to stop by and discuss any WH mechanics/Ideas EVER you would know i live 100% in WH's and have done for a long time.
But i also post on my main unlike you who is scared of their own shadow. |
Winthorp
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Posted - 2014.08.22 22:52:00 -
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Valenthe de Celine wrote: As to "posting on my main" you are damned presumptive that I even have a "main" in this game where the average player seems to have 3+ accounts. I am posting on the character I am most vocal on. If that sticks in your croup, good. Not like a siilent, nearly meaningless WH character that's a few years old and never once spoke in a forum means any more. But go ahead, try to say otherwise.
No see you are posting on a character that has only ever posted since the Hyperion changes announced so i don't see how it could ever be your most vocal character.
You call me out for being in nullsec when your character posted with is in a HS NPC corp. You see when i post here and have argued strongly for these changes i have posted with my main that lives in a WH and actually puts assets at risk with what i say unlike you who is too scared to post with your main.
So yes when you post with your main it will make a difference to how i interact with you like i have interacted with other people here in more meaningful discussion on the mechanics of these changes, but seriously why would i bother posting anything of meaning to you when you will just recycle your character to your next alt when the discussion doesn't go your way.
This thread had meaningful discussions in the first 20 pages and all it is now is whining people that need to accept what is coming and start working on how they will adapt to them.
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Winthorp
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Posted - 2014.08.22 23:26:00 -
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Valenthe de Celine wrote: Classic NPC ALT Ramblings
Come back to me when you can use your set of balls and post with your main. |
Winthorp
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Posted - 2014.08.23 00:04:00 -
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Valenthe de Celine wrote:Winthorp wrote:Valenthe de Celine wrote: Classic NPC ALT Ramblings Normal response when denied the ability to directly threaten folks in game. Indeed Edit: P.S. it was soooo hard not to just pick a random person from a no-name corp somewhere and list that as a main, but I'm not that despicable and heartless... even to folks I don't like.
Standard response from a paranoid HS pubbie thinking everyone is out to get him/her. |
Winthorp
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Posted - 2014.08.23 05:48:00 -
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Valenthe de Celine wrote:
So for every 23 hours on this character, chatting, mission running, etc., I log about an hour of my other, player corp characters.
So then you are not even in WH space and trying to call me some nullsec bad?
See this is why your opinion means SFA while you are in an NPC corp, no one can even gauge your experience that your view point comes from and won't even bother going into a detailed discussion with you. We all just see NPC alt /ignore. |
Winthorp
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Posted - 2014.08.23 05:59:00 -
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Valenthe de Celine wrote: I've likely logged more hours in the past year than you did in your characters' previous three. That doesn't make my time any more or less meaningful. My experiences are what matters, not some date on a calendar or some killmail you can't look up about me or some other measure of what I said versus what you've said. Suck it up, deal, or move on. .
See and this is where you don't seem to get it, only you know your experience and all we can see to judge your experience from is that history that you chose to hide from us.
But please keep getting up on your pedestal about how we should recognise your NPC status, because this whole time no one has had any discussion with you on any merits of your arguments while you talk on an your NPC alt.
NPC alts are so high and mighty its disturbing. I am a little bored now, back later. |
Winthorp
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Posted - 2014.08.23 23:30:00 -
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Valenthe de Celine wrote:
Instead of trolling a player, lets try debating about the purpose of this thread: the changes to spawning distance of hole rolling ships.
Currently you are not a player in WH Space. NPC corps can't give you roles to anchor a POS, when they do we can speak further. |
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Winthorp
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Posted - 2014.08.24 06:10:00 -
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Valenthe de Celine wrote:Winthorp wrote:Currently you are not a player in WH Space. NPC corps can't give you roles to anchor a POS, when they do we can speak further. First, you don't have to anchor a POS to live in a wormhole. Second, you don't have to live in a wormhole to use them to make money. Finally, you don't have to be in a player owned corporation to play EVE, even in a wormhole. I tell you, some player corps just can't think outside a POS bubble anymore.
I don't think you will ever get it, good luck with being ignored continually. |
Winthorp
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Posted - 2014.08.26 09:32:00 -
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Enthropic wrote: Also, why do you completely ignore Corbex's arguments, as an elected representative of the WH community? At least comment on them properly?
They would have clearly discussed this at length in private and i am sure Corbexx has had a lot of time and effort putting the views forward to CCP Fozzie and other CSM's that we will never know about. |
Winthorp
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Posted - 2014.08.27 12:26:00 -
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corbexx wrote:Here's the hard truth: If you don't live in W-space, and you've never lived there, your opinion about how W-space should or shouldn't be is worse than irrelevant: you are the virgin offering advice on how to get laid. Like a virgin, you probably genuinely believe that your opinion matters and that the mere fact that you have no personal experience on the topic shouldn't invalidate your opinion, while everyone else listening to you is quietly shaking their head.
If only we could get this stickied FFS. |
Winthorp
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Posted - 2014.08.28 06:25:00 -
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Valenthe de Celine wrote: Ah, yes, I'd forgotten that the 5% of us who live in wormholes all drive gold plated mini-Avatars with full faction and DEDspace fits cause we have just so much ISK we can't find anything else to do with it all.
its true actually, i am for these changes and i am stupidly WH rich, look at my new arms too... I do love my gold pod/plated avatar. |
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Posted - 2014.08.28 08:57:00 -
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Sentamon wrote: complete safety.
Are you high right now or is HS NPC space warping your brain? |
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Posted - 2014.08.28 09:07:00 -
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Sentamon wrote:Winthorp wrote:Sentamon wrote: complete safety. Are you high right now or is HS NPC space warping your brain? Keep crying. CCP will have to deal with their mudflation problems, and all the whining in the world won't stop them. W-Space isn't ThE problem but it is A problem, and I'm looking forward to reading everyone elses tears in the future. SOV nullsec will be best tears I hope.
I am not crying at all, i am in support of these changes.
But you son are delusional and high with your lack of factual information. but well your an NPC troll alt so nothing to see here.... |
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Posted - 2014.08.29 00:36:00 -
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Sith1s Spectre wrote:scotayne hawkins wrote:. next hole connection was noho. 35 guys logged off Sounds like TLC hasn't changed 1 bit then
Don't be hard on them sith, they may have just run out of ore to mine again.... |
Winthorp
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Posted - 2014.08.30 01:42:00 -
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One day i hope for a better world, a world in which we can all achieve harmony and inevitably a world in which NPC alts don't post on the forums thinking they have a right to an opinion.... One day CCP, one day. |
Winthorp
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Posted - 2014.08.30 04:13:00 -
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Valenthe de Celine wrote: Isn't what's being said and why part of the process for filtering as much as who the character was in a corp with? For all anyone knows of Winthorp, that character could have been sold on the Character Bazaar and it's not even the same person that was in Hard Knocks that everyone seems to automatically assume it is. I don't know either way. But when someone, such as Winthorp comes in and tries to throw his weight around, and tries to dismiss folks based purely on what the character history is, its all smoke and mirrors and meaningless. For all the credence some folks give that avatar, I have no clue if he's been in a wormhole or not. Most of his statements have nothing to do with the WH threads he posts in. Because I don't know the player behind that character, I dismiss that character because there is a lack of meaning behind the posts.
Perhaps you don't know me because you are an NPC alt that lives in HS, how would you ever know me if that is your background.
What me posting with my main does though is gives people the chance to read what i say look at my history and judge for themselves, it doesn't make my opinion any more right then someone from another WH corp but it is of much more value then someone who has no WH history to speak of and seems to be too scared for some bizarre reason to post on his main. (Does your mains corp not allow you to have an opinion? If so they are bad and you should leave)
Yes this toon was bought right before it joined SSC, this is something that people can easily check by forum search functions and that search will show you my old main with even more WH history, perhaps you don't know this because you live in HS and have never joined a player owned corporation and interacted with other people.
Also i really have no weight at all to throw around so i am not sure what you are getting at here?
You seem very mad i won't enter into any discussions on actual WH mechanics with you while you are in an NPC corp. It isn't just me who refuses to talk to NPC alts a lot of people won't even bother to read your posts let alone respond to you. |
Winthorp
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Posted - 2014.08.30 04:46:00 -
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Valenthe de Celine wrote:Winthorp wrote:Perhaps you don't know me because you are an NPC alt that lives in HS, how would you ever know me if that is your background.
What me posting with my main does though is gives people the chance to read what i say look at my history and judge for themselves, it doesn't make my opinion any more right then someone from another WH corp but it is of much more value then someone who has no WH history to speak of and seems to be too scared for some bizarre reason to post on his main. (Does your mains corp not allow you to have an opinion? If so they are bad and you should leave)
Yes this toon was bought right before it joined SSC, this is something that people can easily check by forum search functions and that search will show you my old main with even more WH history, perhaps you don't know this because you live in HS and have never joined a player owned corporation and interacted with other people.
Also i really have no weight at all to throw around so i am not sure what you are getting at here?
You seem very mad i won't enter into any discussions on actual WH mechanics with you while you are in an NPC corp. It isn't just me who refuses to talk to NPC alts a lot of people won't even bother to read your posts let alone respond to you. I don't know you because I don't know you. My corpmates for the WH group I am part of had little idea who Hard Knocks was until the looked them up on http://www.evewho.com/ not that it really matters. Most of us don't spend a lot of time together as most work, most work weekdays, and most have families. Stuff other than EVE does exist out there. As far as my posting on that character instead of this one, you would get the same complete lack of information about me. The character joined the C5 corp not long before the API was removed from all WH systems. The C3 career was unremarkable for PVP, so little if any data existed before I moved up to the other hole. As it's corp policy to not post our kills on public servers, I followed as my seniors instructed and maintained silence. You might not know this, but there is a large segment of the W-space community that believes information blackouts are a great tactic, and ultimately what you don't know may kill you. If I don't post about my conquests and losses, and the other guy doesn't either, then your information resources show you nothing even if you do get my name. Together with the lack of farming API data for when we're online, suddenly a corp that sieges us has far less of an advantage than they used to. This is part of the beauty of using an NPC character in a WH because its so hard to scout your targets effectively while cloaked or just using D-scan. That's one tactic for living inside W-space, and it seems to work well enough. I suspected the part about the character sale when I browsed your corp history. This is another example of how information is power. That said, I am a member of CAS, which has a proud history of maintaining members in the NPC corp to help new players and show the otherwise lost a few ways to live in EVE while avoiding some of the less obvious pitfalls, no matter the sec status or space being used.
< Honestly that is the best response i can give you while you remain on an NPC alt, use all the stupid, special snowlflake reasons you like the only fact remains is that you are an NPC alt and not many people will ever take you seriously. |
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Posted - 2014.08.30 12:40:00 -
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Chicken Exroofer wrote:
No you can't have my stuff.
I already have your stuff, one less of you whiney carebears gone just put up my MNR stockpile. |
Winthorp
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Posted - 2014.08.30 12:43:00 -
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Valenthe de Celine wrote:, and I will likely not post again once it's been repealed or I've left the game for good.
The latter will be the end result as CCP have made the changes to this expansion they are willing to make, but please cry some more we are almost at 100 pages.
I don't know how the NPC corp will cope without your diligent work however... |
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Posted - 2014.08.31 05:51:00 -
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Almost 100... |
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Posted - 2014.09.02 11:42:00 -
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I normally wouldn't troll language barriers its beneath even me but.... Can carrybears become a thing? I love it. |
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Posted - 2014.09.04 21:41:00 -
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You know people are angry when Autumnwind starts posting in threads. |
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