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beatlebutt
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.08.07 17:38:00 -
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Dear CCP,
There has been a lot of posts giving advice on how you should fix Eve. As a life long care bear, I feel our voice needs to be heard also.
CCP is always working on new player retention. In the last few years high sec has gotten more dangerous (ever since they started buffing ship DPS so its super easy to gank in high sec). I feel this has been intentional because CCP feels if they can just get them involved in PVP more they will stay.
What you are missing is, when you have a game like EVE with 500, 000 players, with a fairly safe high sec, dangerous low sec and lawless Null, not everyone that plays wants to pvp. If you force them into PVP they will just quit.
A very large portion of eve was content to mine, build, and mission in High sec. Go in the occasional WH or maybe venture into low sec once in a while. That type player is leaving in droves. ItGÇÖs no fun anymore. Their odds of being ganked are too high (not to mention scammed).
I moved to null years ago, but I used to enjoy my trips to high sec where it was relatively safe. Now I find high sec annoying.
As you canGÇÖt nerf all the ships you have buffed, you could make Concord more responsive. Quit giving the gankers 20 seconds (or more). Reduce it. Improve new player training. DonGÇÖt leave it up to the user base. Too many have their own agenda. And itGÇÖs not always good. Have tutorials that also inform new players of the most common scams and how to avoid them. Quit catering to the bullies and the people with no morals that play eve. The people that think its okay to lie, cheat, and steal because it's only a game. As long as they can kill us, they will be here. You don't have to encourage them.
For the Vets, Expand the game. Give us something new. New territoriesGǪnot just tweaks to the same ole stuff. A game that never has expansions dies.
My 2 cents worth.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
3628
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Posted - 2014.08.07 17:50:00 -
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E-2C Hawkeye
State War Academy Caldari State
662
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Posted - 2014.08.07 17:53:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
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Yokai Mitsuhide
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
5461
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Posted - 2014.08.07 17:53:00 -
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I'm a carebear, and I couldn't disagree with your post more. What you're suggesting would be bad for the game. |
HiddenPorpoise
Under Dark Sins of our Fathers
260
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Posted - 2014.08.07 17:54:00 -
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Ganking is harder now; ships worth ganking are tankier, insurance covers nothing, and dps is about the same. I say this as someone that thinks gankers are dumb and easy to confuse.
And you went to null and now say you're getting ganked when you bring ships full of money to high? And you think the people that daytrip are all as dumb as you? |
Paynus Maiassus
Capital Munitions
70
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Posted - 2014.08.07 18:01:00 -
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I agree with you. I moved to null because it was safer. CCP does need to understand that the way the game is set up offers a lot of things to people who are not really into PvP, and that those type of players are of a different mindset than the PvPers. They still experience Risk vs. Reward, but in the form of losing money when they make bad economic decisions. Particularly when it comes to mining, the care bear is asked to treat the game in a way that does not conform to his mindset and is effectively recruited to become a target for players enjoying a different aspect of the game. CCP needs to make massive changes to PvP in order to make the epic battle and the good fight the place for PvPers to go and not ganking.
CCP hasn't done much to fix the remote rep problem or the sentry drone problem or the carrier problem in general. Ganking is unfortunately one of the few forms of PvP that is currently fun in Eve. I sincerely hope they change this.
However, CCP has not been completely ignorant of the care bear's situation and has provided ways to tank freighters so that they are rarely ganked. They've also added a low slot to the Skiff for a damage control that protects these barges from being banked in most situations. Code's killmails of empty unranked freighters and the fact that people still use coveters and hulks in 0.5 systems does point to the care bear refusing to adapt and thrive in their environment. Nobody will bank your Orca if it has 350K EHP. I do agree, though, that CCP needs to do more address the care bear's mindset and be unfriendly to gankers. I have advocated a Rorqual update that will change the face of low sec and null sec mining, but I doubt it will be adopted. I can only hope though.
CCP, make care bearing fun for the care bear and PvP fun for the PvPer. Please do not force one group into the world of the other as a bandaid to many broken systems.
The OP's idea for a stronger CONCORD is a good idea. |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
7522
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Posted - 2014.08.07 18:10:00 -
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Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:I'm a carebear, and I couldn't disagree with your post more. What you're suggesting would be bad for the game.
Amen.
I too am a scourge and pox on the lives of EVE's NPCs and I disagree with everything the OP has said. Especially the part about high sec getting more dangerous. When i started playing you could still warp after doing something CONCORD would kill you for, you could tank faction police (and we did in Faction Warfare, had some guys tank the facpo in Nourve so we could go in and kill a bunch of Caldari militia guys in their "safe" high sec system).
There was no safety on a ship to prevent you from CONCORDING yourself by smartbombing a gate in a mission. There was no pop up telling you you were about to jump into low sec.. No target spectrum breakers for battleships and so on. High Sec (and the rest of the game) is safer now than at any point in it's past.
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Celthric Kanerian
Ascendance Of New Eden Workers Trade Federation
29
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Posted - 2014.08.07 18:13:00 -
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Once you've lived in lowsec, null or in a wormhole you'll see how safe your so-called "dangerous" hisec is... |
Linkxsc162534
Traps 'R' Us
90
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Posted - 2014.08.07 18:41:00 -
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dude ive been a bear for 5 years now and only been ganked once. Its not hard, don't afk in space, don't autopilot in ships you don't want to lose. And don't "pimp" out your missioning ships all the time, you do not NEED your ships to be over 4bil in fittings to be a "efficient" mission runner. Actually you'd probably be more efficient running a T2 fit, that never gets looked at for more than a second by most gankers, simply due to the offset of not losing ships. Hell, want a great ship to blitz missions in get a T2 fit HAC or T3, want something high DPS/tank to slug your way through missions with extremely high bounty rewards, get a T1 BS with T2 mods, put a MJD on it and learn to maneuver around the field rather than sitting at 1 point. Get in a mission, MJD away form the warpin. Now if someone comes in to gank you you've got several dozen seconds for them to even close the distance. Miners, STAY ALIGNED. See a rifter, or catalyst jumping into your belt, LEAVE. Getting your hulk out is much more efficient for your income than being afk, and sitting there while you get shot up by someone you should have seen coming. Also pay attention to chats, theres plenty of channels solely for keeping track of where the gankers are ganking. Put all the people who've threatened you before on your contacts, give them terrible standing, and watchlist them, when they come into your system, get ready to run if need be. Theres a guy on these forums, his name escapes me, but he tends to show up in these types of threads, keeps a blog about his exploits in ganking and piracy, and very often there's plenty of info that can be ganashed from his posts about how to avoid getting ganked and set up your interface to pay better attention and whatnot.
And also to Celthric Nullsec is a HELL of a lot safer to roam around in than highsec. HS there's people who take potshots at you all the time, and it seems every other week theres some "gank carebears" event going on. Nullsec I've roamed around in the blue doughnut for 50-60 jumps before I actually came across someone who didn't run and hide in a POS/station, and my last jump was into a 60man gang that wanted to plunder my booty for interfering with their renters nullbearing. (lost a cane, it was a different char than this, but meh, I was bored that day) |
Akashi Suenobu
Raven's Flight Northern Associates.
16
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Posted - 2014.08.07 18:49:00 -
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Carebear voices are pretty much all we hear lately. |
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Fer'isam K'ahn
None Of One
292
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Posted - 2014.08.07 18:53:00 -
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No.
And before you bring up strawmen ...
No. Are you sure your issues aren't elsewhere ?! |
Cearain
Goose Swarm Coalition
1337
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Posted - 2014.08.07 18:58:00 -
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Buffing dps did not really outstrip the buffs to tank that rigs bring. And can't even come close to dropping insurance for concord kills. A few years ago you basically just had to pay for insurance and the guns on your battleship to suicide gank. You would often even get back more from insurance than you paid for the ship. Now you get nothing and battlecruisers cost more than battleships used to.
I would think suicide ganks would be lower not higher. Is there someplace to get the actual data? Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Kaerakh
Surprisingly Deep Hole Try Rerolling
404
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Posted - 2014.08.07 18:58:00 -
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Kaerakh wrote: See Page 22 Section 7-7.2My general thoughts on Carebears trying to create game mechanics to protect them from the mean evil gankers. 1 - 2
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Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
1531
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Posted - 2014.08.07 19:10:00 -
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Celthric Kanerian wrote:Once you've lived in lowsec, null or in a wormhole you'll see how safe your so-called "dangerous" hisec is...
well if you afk in a hauler with 30 plex in your cargo at jita undock.. you will live less time than in a random gate in 0.0 :P "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
2380
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Posted - 2014.08.07 19:14:00 -
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Confirming that highsec is the safest it's ever been now - and is perhaps edging on too safe. Certainly if CCP so much as lifts a finger to even consider making highsec safer, it will absolutely become too safe and require income nerfs.
OP, you say highsec is more dangerous now than it has ever been. You say that gankers have it easier now than they have ever had it. You say that CCP is catering more towards the PvPers and the gankers and the people who do you harm than they ever have before.
This is nonsense.
OP, I say that you and those like you are now lazier than you have ever been before. I say that you are fatter, juicier targets than you have ever been before. I say that you have never done less to watch your surroundings and be attentive than you are doing now. I say that you have allowed yourself to be coddled into a false sense of security by new game systems that were designed to do nothing of the sort. What was presented as a way to clarify how crime and punishment work was taken by you as a promise of increased safety - a promise that CCP never made, does not make now and will not make in the future.
You have manufactured a delusion and allowed yourself to settle comfortably into it much the same way one settles into an overstuffed chair on a quiet evening in front of the fireplace.
You have manufactured your own downfall out of lies, half-truths and misunderstandings and now you cry that this downfall has been thrust upon you unjustly.
You feel that your time in nullsec has made you savvy and aware and alert. You feel that nullsec is inherently more dangerous than highsec and in highsec you need not pay any attention. This "letter" shows us that nothing could be further from the truth.
Allow me to present you with the inconvenient facts, OP.
While Blue NullGäó is significantly safer than highsec, that does not mean highsec is as dangerous as you say. It simply means that Blue NullGäó is virtually a risk-free candy land compared to everywhere else in EVE. Of course, if you're going to be AFK and make bad decisions that turn you into fat and easy prey, certainly highsec is dangerous. Everywhere in EVE is dangerous if you're making bad decisions and making choices that turn you into an easy target.
For a person that pays attention, doesn't autopilot slow ships crammed to the top of the bulkheads with money and knows a thing or two about how gankers operate - the basic responsibilities of any highsec resident - 0.5 and above are pretty safe. Highsec is not totally safe, nor should it be. Do not misunderstand my words as you have misunderstood CCP's.
EVE at its core is a PvP game. PvE and "carebearing" are not a primary focus and (especially if the current state of PvE is any indication of CCP's skill at it) should not ever become a primary focus.
If it makes you upset that others can have the opportunity to immobilize, shoot at and then destroy your ship (probably followed by your pod as you were too stunned in angry disbelief and failed to warp off) then perhaps you should make a choice here and now.
You can choose to finally understand what EVE is, as so many have done before you.
You can choose to isolate yourself in the security blanket of Deep Blue NullGäó, never to emerge again.
You can choose to continue living in your daydream with slight behavior changes, even though you'll just end up back here again.
You can choose to reject everything, to declare EVE nothing more than a hive of scum and villainy, resolving immediately to leave forever in favor of more carebear-friendly climates.
The choice is yours, OP. It's time to be a big boy and make the call yourself. Mommy isn't going to hold your hand or do it for you and neither is CCP. |
Komi Toran
Paragon Trust The Bastion
162
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Posted - 2014.08.07 19:44:00 -
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If gankers have it easier than ever before, it's because the gankers decided to organize, not because CCP buffed their profession. |
LT Alter
Ouroboros Research and Development
125
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Posted - 2014.08.07 19:49:00 -
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beatlebutt wrote: Quit catering to the bullies and the people with no morals that play eve. The people that think its okay to lie, cheat, and steal because it's only a game. As long as they can kill us, they will be here. You don't have to encourage them.
This statement right here will have you be dubbed a whiner, someone who can't deal with the harsh community that is eve. Now instead of calling you a whiner or a baby I'm simply going to explain something to you. In eve it IS ok to lie, cheat, and steal. Eve's very nature is such that anything goes, if I am not exploiting game mechanics or personally threatening or attacking you in real life, I can do whatever I want to you. For instance say this post you made on the forums irritated me, I could personally seek you out and blow you up in the game, and there would be nothing stopping me from doing so. Also note that it would be easier for me to do so in null sec than in high sec. In the same instance it is also your choice to fight back or not to.
You play this game and joined the community voluntarily, and it is clearly stated by the devs that this game is meant to be a sandbox in the most literal of ways. You consent to being blown up by undocking, and you consent to being scammed or lied to by trusting someone else. If you don't like it, go play a different game. What you ask is literally asking for the game to become a different game, so rather than complain why not take matters into your own hands and play a different one that suits your play style?
beatlebutt wrote: A game that never has expansions dies.
Eve has had a constant rate of expansions being released since the game became public, this comment makes little sense to me. |
LT Alter
Ouroboros Research and Development
125
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Posted - 2014.08.07 19:50:00 -
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Komi Toran wrote:If gankers have it easier than ever before, it's because the gankers decided to organize, not because CCP buffed their profession.
This couldn't be more true. |
Antillie Sa'Kan
Forging Industries Silent Infinity
579
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Posted - 2014.08.07 20:17:00 -
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LT Alter wrote:beatlebutt wrote: A game that never has expansions dies.
Eve has had a constant rate of expansions being released since the game became public, this comment makes little sense to me. I think he is looking for new modules to be released every year or so that make the previous year's modules obsolete. |
Mag's
the united
17718
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Posted - 2014.08.07 20:37:00 -
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The ill informed ignorance of the OP is quite frankly, astounding.
Also it's a rant, so INB4TL.
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
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Maldiro Selkurk
CHEMO IMMUNO RESISTANT VIRUS X
187
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Posted - 2014.08.07 21:29:00 -
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While I don't agree with everything you said I do think that CCP needs to get the huge alliances to fight and i mean fight all the time not just once a year. RvB is the only alliance that carries out routine combat and that is only because it chooses to do so and not because there is anything substantial on the line to induce them to fight.
The paradigm for EVE should be highsec lower end manufacturing, exploration, missions, etc (low income, low threat of dying), Low / wh (should be medium grade activities with constant warfare for territory), null a constant strain to hold SOV so that the payoff of better mining, bigger industry and biggest ships/battles comes at a real and constant cost)
The current fuel to run the game is highsec ganking, where it should be nullsec grand battles.
If EVEs promotional literature said we have two games to offer, one is ganking defenseless ships and the other is battles for territory and the right to create huge industrial complexes and ships, im guessing the second game would attract more players. Yawn,-á I'm right as usual. The predictability kinda gets boring really. |
Samantha Floyd
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
11
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Posted - 2014.08.07 21:47:00 -
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How exactly is ganking too much nowadays?
If you look at the killboards for Procurer/Skiff, they almost never get ganked. So you can mine without being ganked. If you look at the killboards for T2 fitted racial battleships, they almost never get ganked. So you can mission without being ganked. If you look at hull-tanked Orca, they almost never get ganked. So you can boost on-grid without being ganked. If you look at freighter pilots with an alt in a web-bonused ship, they almost never get ganked. So you can haul without being ganked.
So who exactly is falling victim to this supposed overload of ganking in highsec? You have to be either dumb or unlucky to fall into that category. |
Jur Tissant
Unreal Darkness
152
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Posted - 2014.08.07 22:54:00 -
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A lot of EVE's marketing is based on the "you get to blow other people up and steal their stuff" part of the game. Ever see those ads on your sidebar? "Be the villain"?
CONCORD response time is fine. It's really the only thing besides rats that makes 0.5 more dangerous than 0.9. Your choice as a miner or hauler is to tank your ship, haul ass at the first sign of trouble, or just risk the danger. After months of casually mining and hauling 0.5 and 0.6, I have been ganked a total of 0 times in high-sec.
The only thing I would agree with you on is that the NPE needs a bit of improvement. We don't need to drill them about scams, except to inform them that scams aren't against the rules, because part of playing EVE is learning how to detect an honest good deal from a scam. What high-sec needs is better PVE and story content, because right now any big MMO could wipe the floor with EVE when it comes to PVE. |
Antillie Sa'Kan
Forging Industries Silent Infinity
579
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Posted - 2014.08.07 23:09:00 -
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Have you ever considered that maybe the reason that people gank in hisec instead of fighting in null is not because hisec is broken, but because it is actually null that is broken? |
Khan Wrenth
Hedion University Amarr Empire
32
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Posted - 2014.08.08 00:29:00 -
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I'm offended both by the OP's weak, defeatist attitude, and that he happens to be from the same NPC corp. And people like him wonder why there was a fairly large thread discussing restricting NPC posting abilities. Shame on you. Shame on your whining, shame on your lack of appreciation for the broad range of opportunity EVE brings to people of all play styles, shame on your lack of understanding of how to keep yourself safe in any part of EVE space, and shame on your lack of HTFU.
You are safer now in ANY part of space, than you ever have been. There are tools at your disposal to use, and for whatever tactics or procedures you may not understand or be aware of, there's these forums. People openly discuss how and what they do all the time, if you listen and employ the same tactics, then you keep yourself safe.
Say whatever you will about the content of these forums, but truth be told they are a treasure trove of information about EvE mechanics, doctrines, tactics, and play styles. Having never entered many parts of the EvE galaxy, I still have a decent basic understanding of how to conduct myself to stay safe, and I can fill in the gaps by observing others and a dash of common sense.
If I must learn something through the course of being killed a few times then so be it, that is part of the EvE experience and I know enough to not let such losses cripple my finances. I also know enough not to let a few trivial losses send me crying to the forums because losses are a learning experience, not a travesty. |
Commander Siverai Arcetura
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.08.08 00:47:00 -
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I have been a carebear, a pirate, a miner, a Null sec block Soldier, a ganker, and a scammer in my few years with eve.
High sec should NOT be a haven to avoid PVP but instead a good place for people to understand basic mechanics of the game before inevitably leaving high sec for low and Null simply because the rewards of null and low are just that much better. This make eve safe mentality is what ruins eve and causes people to leave. And CCP has said time and time again they are fine weeding out their un-intended audience this way.
Continue the nerfs of high sec and up the allure of low and null and your going to be just fine, you just wont be able to AFK mine anymore. Big whoop |
Zan Shiro
Alternative Enterprises
467
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Posted - 2014.08.08 02:06:00 -
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So much here....
Ganking....is the way it is today because of anti gank changes already made. Go for the big one, imo. They took away insurance on ganks. Prior to this put in game I predicted gankers would get more lethal. Seems I was right here. Here was and is still my basis for this. Prior to insurance removal for concord worthy actions you got a decent chance of getting unorganized attacks on you. Scrubs, thrill seeking noobtards or peeps who said what the hell else am I gonna do to past the time so screw it.
Insurance removed....you lost this. People going in for the gank, want the gank more. They really want you popped more, its how they get paid now. Old days many half assed it since some insurance coming back their way. So they got a consolation prize.
MOre space...why? Insert blob rant here. More space expansion and grrr goons will be there. Or the other power blocs (its eve forum sop to say goons first lol).
if more space an idea....it to not feed the blocks more I would say have to be wh expansion to be viable. Which would be a problem...those that are there, are there. Those whose this is not their cup of tea...aren't and don't intend to be most likely. Might get some new peeps there...but they can shoot for this now. WH is not tied up into pretty color coded segments on a map, still some carving out of a home to do there. Not being a pet, pet of a pet, bff...whatever you want to call it. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
8566
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Posted - 2014.08.08 02:28:00 -
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Be thankful that you are in an NPC corp, OP. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |
Zmikund
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2014.08.08 02:31:00 -
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Celthric Kanerian wrote:Once you've lived in lowsec, null or in a wormhole you'll see how safe your so-called "dangerous" hisec is...
TBH ... i live in WH for almost 2 years now and its much safer than hi-sec ...
and i agree with this idea ... hi-sec should be safe place, not like now when even WH systems are safer if u play properly ... CCP doesnt realize that gankers are some alts who cant lose anything but can make big mess ... they are basically untouchable and once u get ganked u cant get revenge, because gankers themself has nothing to lose ... i can easily imagine how this could make few ppl leave game ... So i you are not going to reduce ganks in hi-sec, make it at least possible for players to get proper revenge after which player can say "now we are even" ... |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
8567
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Posted - 2014.08.08 02:36:00 -
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beatlebutt wrote: If you force them into PVP they will just quit.
Quote: Quit catering to the bullies and the people with no morals that play eve. The people that think its okay to lie, cheat, and steal because it's only a game. As long as they can kill us, they will be here. You don't have to encourage them.
I just wanted to point this hypocrisy out, as well.
"Make the people I don't like quit, or I'll quit!"
You disgust me. Trying to hold other people's gameplay hostage by threatening to withdraw your own sub. Just quit already, you yellow bellied sack of dirt. No one will miss you anyway, because you didn't really play the game.
People like you are good for nothing but being destroyed for the amusement of others. You aren't real players, you're scenery. Destructible terrain. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |
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