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Doctor Pod
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Posted - 2006.07.18 20:26:00 -
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Originally by: Nafri
When I talked with most Sparta guys around CDZJ they werent really interested in fighting
Shocking! If you arent an npc they dont hve much interest in fighting you.
Originally by: Nafri They joined Sparta to have a relativly peacefull live in 0.0
Which is exactly why they are all back in empire. 0.0 = fighting, if you cant fight for your space, you will lose it sooner or later
Originally by: Nafri not to be somebodies meatshield.
Unless they are D2's meatshield
You're whole post reflects why all these northern entities fall every few months. You make sure they are all weak and alligned with their mothers (d2). They never have the chance to become more than gank fodder. Good work again in the north. Let the next cycle of weak alliances begin.
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sinickal
Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.07.18 20:55:00 -
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Originally by: Masta Killa BURN EDEN HAVE BEEN SPOTTED, EVERYONE LOG OUT!!!
who is burn eden? those with stucked heads in keyboards? (caps ftl)
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Dragerest
Total Warehouse Logistics
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Posted - 2006.07.18 21:12:00 -
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Originally by: sinickal
Originally by: Masta Killa BURN EDEN HAVE BEEN SPOTTED, EVERYONE LOG OUT!!!
who is burn eden? those with stucked heads in keyboards? (caps ftl)
burn eden is javelin torps remote sensor dampeners and wcs.
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Mandrake Knight
F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control
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Posted - 2006.07.18 21:17:00 -
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Edited by: Mandrake Knight on 18/07/2006 21:18:42 So now that all the territory claiming hostiles are destroyed in Deklein, will you be leaving or sticking around?
Just curious is all.
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Masta Killa
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2006.07.18 21:59:00 -
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Originally by: Dragerest
Originally by: sinickal
Originally by: Masta Killa BURN EDEN HAVE BEEN SPOTTED, EVERYONE LOG OUT!!!
who is burn eden? those with stucked heads in keyboards? (caps ftl)
burn eden is javelin torps remote sensor dampeners and wcs.
And you are a clueless noob.
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Aramark
Total Warehouse Logistics
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Posted - 2006.07.18 22:16:00 -
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Edited by: Aramark on 18/07/2006 22:21:40
Originally by: Masta Killa
Originally by: Dragerest
Originally by: sinickal
Originally by: Masta Killa BURN EDEN HAVE BEEN SPOTTED, EVERYONE LOG OUT!!!
who is burn eden? those with stucked heads in keyboards? (caps ftl)
burn eden is javelin torps remote sensor dampeners and wcs.
And you are a clueless noob.
Our corpname in your local makes you log out.
no it sounds like this over TS.. "burn eden in local...**** i don't have enough warp scarmblers" its a game, calm down. Aasia: Are you implying you are mean by nature and it requires conscious choice on your part to fight your nature and be nice? Aramark: yes |
Dinique
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.19 00:52:00 -
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Originally by: The Mittani
Originally by: Various D2 forum warriors blaming Goons for SPARTA's fall
I¦m sure GS will come to aid their allies immediately. Like we have seen in the last days...
They don't need to anymore. Sparta is gone. No more allies for goons in the north... I'm still puzzled how someone can rely and trust the goon horde and remedial.
Obviously, SPARTA's fall is because the evil forces of the Swarm did nothing to help their new 'allies', and that the Swarm left SPARTA to hang in the wind before the wrath of D2. Right?
Well, Goonies including directors (yourself even) have been going on and on about how you won't hang them out to dry and how you stand by your allies and so on and so forth. There were hardly any of you around, resistance in Deklein has been all but non-existant.
SPARTA is gone. And on Monday you were still going on about how strong you all are and how you are going to kick ass. Why didn't that happen? We put 12 POSes into re-inforced in a single night while our support fleet fell asleep at the gates.
Atleast I get to chuckle as I go back and read posts by the likes of Stahl-I-cant-remember-the-rest-of-your-name now :) _____
There's so many different worlds So many different suns And we have just one world But we live in different ones
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Dinique
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.19 00:52:00 -
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Edited by: Dinique on 19/07/2006 00:52:46 stupid bloody forum software _____
There's so many different worlds So many different suns And we have just one world But we live in different ones
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Dinique
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.19 01:02:00 -
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Originally by: Masta Killa BURN EDEN HAVE BEEN SPOTTED, EVERYONE LOG OUT!!!
D2 PILOTS UNDOCKED IN BKG RUN AWAAAAY
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There's so many different worlds So many different suns And we have just one world But we live in different ones
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CrestoftheStars
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Posted - 2006.07.19 01:21:00 -
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Edited by: CrestoftheStars on 19/07/2006 01:22:16 Actually quite a few of us were there.
I remember on the first night that the NAP was announced we went up to Deklien with a 90 man gang, with another 20 goons or something already up there.
I logged out in my raven in CDZ with the idea that for the next few days I would simply join in whatever Sparta defense gang was going on. Unfortunately there werent any .
The next few days I spent sat in a safe spot bored out my mind while the same few Sparta guys from the same few corps tried make a defense effort, but it always ended them plus a couple of dozen goons sat safespotted because D2 had the system locked down.
I eventually suicided my raven out of boredom :v
As far as I know Sparta never announced a rally time for a really big defense op when their POS started getting hit hard. I think if Sparta had said that all their POS were being attacked and they were going to do a giant defense effort on a night and engage the D2 dreads then we would have definitely formed up a decent reinforcement fleet in XZH and sped up to get involved in that.
Like I said, I felt sorry for the Sparta who obviously wanted to try and fight for their territory but couldnĘt persuade most of their corps to commit to fighting. They all seemed nice guys on TS too, it was a shame. It just felt like the whole Deklien thing was over before it even begun.
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Bavarian Punk
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.19 01:32:00 -
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Edited by: Bavarian Punk on 19/07/2006 01:33:14
Originally by: CrestoftheStars Edited by: CrestoftheStars on 19/07/2006 01:22:16 I logged out in my raven in CDZ with the idea that for the next few days I would simply join in whatever Sparta defense gang was going on. Unfortunately there werent any .
And now guess why. Because most of them didn't want to fight their true friends as much as we didn't enjoy fighting them. And one goon even dared to call them "brothers", obviously lacking any knowledge of Sparta's history and stronger bonds that have developed between Sparta pilots and D2 pilots. A few idiots in their lead don't change that overnight. ---
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Calenth
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.19 01:40:00 -
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Edited by: Calenth on 19/07/2006 01:43:58 Edited by: Calenth on 19/07/2006 01:43:31 Edited by: Calenth on 19/07/2006 01:42:08
Originally by: Nafri When leadership decides to turn against longtime friends without considering this which each membercorp, do you really expect any participation from those corps?
When I talked with most Sparta guys around CDZJ they werent really interested in fighting us and couldnt understand to what should lead it. They joined Sparta to have a relativly peacefull live in 0.0 and not to be somebodies meatshield. Dont expect them to field large fleets, when they arent really interested in it. For not keeping control of alliance in their hands, a lot of sparta corps payed a high price and lost a lot of money. A outpost and dozens of POS were lost without any real reason. People from Sparta command probably know that this could have found a better end, but things happened and nothing can be changed now.
Eh, I don't really see how things could have worked out any differently for SPARTA, no matter what choices the leadership made, given their general reluctance to fight. IRON and FLA had already planned to use the Mercenary Coalition against Sparta even if Sparta hadn't allied with Goonfleet, as those chatlogs published the other day revealed, and D2 had already refused to help Sparta defend themselves despite Sparta's willingness to help d2 in combat ops (ironically, against GoonSwarm).
So Sparta was really caught between a rock and a hard place. Either way they were going to have to fight several dedicated PvP alliances. By allying with us in Goonswarm, they at least got an ally who was willing to, and in fact did, commit significant fleets to their aid -- something d2, their titular former friends, were unwilling to do. But a lot of people just aren't willing to fight for what they want in this game, and unfortunately those Sparta who were willing to fight got deserted -- first by D2, and secondly by their erstwhile fellow alliance members.
Originally by: Bavarian Punk
And now guess why. Because most of them didn't want to fight their true friends as much as we didn't enjoy fighting them. And one goon even dared to call them "brothers" in a previous post, obviously lacking any knowledge of Sparta's history and stronger bonds that have developed between Sparta pilots and D2 pilots. A few idiots in their lead don't change that overnight.
If d2 had been "true friends" against Sparta, d2 would not have tolerated IRON and FLA's aggression against Sparta. You can argue particulars of the various agreements and contracts involved, but when it came down to shooting, d2 was content to let IRON push Sparta out of Deklein. Some "true friends."
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Bavarian Punk
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.19 01:55:00 -
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Edited by: Bavarian Punk on 19/07/2006 01:56:16 Oh yeah, regarding the myth that we betrayed Sparta because we didn't help them: It's been said before but it doesn't seem to get in bee's heads. Which side should D2 have chosen? IRON? FLA? NFC? Sparta? THEY WERE ALL BLUE GODDAMMIT! D2 was more than unhappy with those parties going to war against eachother but there was nothing that could have possibly been done on D2's side apart from trying to settle this on a diplomatic level. And trust me, D2's diplomats were trying everything they could to deescalate the situation. Given the parties involved, it was impossible for D2 to choose a side. Funny thing is, that unlike you, most of the Sparta pilots know, understand and respect the dilemma that D2 found itself in with this war amongst friends. ---
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Cringeley
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.19 02:01:00 -
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Originally by: Bavarian Punk Edited by: Bavarian Punk on 19/07/2006 01:56:16 Oh yeah, regarding the myth that we betrayed Sparta because we didn't help them: It's been said before but it doesn't seem to get in bee's heads. Which side should D2 have chosen? IRON? FLA? NFC? Sparta? THEY WERE ALL BLUE GODDAMMIT! D2 was more than unhappy with those parties going to war against eachother but there was nothing that could have possibly been done on D2's side apart from trying to settle this on a diplomatic level. And trust me, D2's diplomats were trying everything they could to deescalate the situation. Given the parties involved, it was impossible for D2 to choose a side. Funny thing is, that unlike you, most of the Sparta pilots know, understand and respect the dilemma that D2 found itself in with this war amongst friends.
You could have refused to remain blue with any of your friends who aggressed against other friends. If I have two friends who are sharing a pie, and one friend starts punching the other friend in the face to get a bigger share of the pie, I am not being a friend to the victim if I say "hey, you guys sort this out between yourselves, I'm friends with both of you". Also it's well known that you were allowing IRON to stage dreadnoughts out of your stations (that's where we blew two of them up).
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Alois Zimmer
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.19 02:03:00 -
[195]
Originally by: Bavarian Punk
Funny thing is, that unlike you, most of the Sparta pilots know, understand and respect the dilemma that D2 found itself in with this war amongst friends.
Sad thing is you allowed it to happen.
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Calenth
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.19 02:07:00 -
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Originally by: Cringeley You could have refused to remain blue with any of your friends who aggressed against other friends. If I have two friends who are sharing a pie, and one friend starts punching the other friend in the face to get a bigger share of the pie, I am not being a friend to the victim if I say "hey, you guys sort this out between yourselves, I'm friends with both of you". Also it's well known that you were allowing IRON to stage dreadnoughts out of your stations (that's where we blew two of them up).
Yeah, the fact that IRON was using d2 stations to stage their dreads really shows exactly how neutral d2 was. But to follow on to Cringeley's analogy: I think every corporation in the game has a basic rule that if one member shoots at another member, for any reason, without clearing it with the corporate directors, the aggressive member gets disciplined and/or booted. What's good policy at a corporate level is good policy at the alliance level, too, and the failure to enforce such a basic policy shows exactly how much d2 valued their "true friends" in Sparta.
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FotoFlame
E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2006.07.19 02:27:00 -
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Originally by: Calenth IRON and FLA had already planned to use the Mercenary Coalition against Sparta even if Sparta hadn't allied with Goonfleet, as those chatlogs published the other day revealed,
You're either incredibly misinformed or just plain dense.
~Foto
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Calenth
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.19 02:35:00 -
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Originally by: FotoFlame
Originally by: Calenth IRON and FLA had already planned to use the Mercenary Coalition against Sparta even if Sparta hadn't allied with Goonfleet, as those chatlogs published the other day revealed,
You're either incredibly misinformed or just plain dense.
~Foto
Eh, the chatlogs are on these forums somewhere (I can't remember the thread) but they're there. Anyone can read them, and the conclusions aren't too hard to draw.
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Shyalud
Chosen Path Center for Disease Creation
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Posted - 2006.07.19 02:37:00 -
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Be sure to add cDc to your -ve list as you are on ours. cDc will back our allies and welcome the new targets.
CHSN High Council Chosen Path Recruitment |
Ceratin
Euphoria Released
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Posted - 2006.07.19 02:38:00 -
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Originally by: Nafri not to be somebodies meatshield.
Originally by: Doctor Pod Unless they are D2's meatshield
ER is d2's only meatshield, and we like our job thankyou very much :) ------------ - All Hail, Leader of The Pod Brigade |
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Miram Teldarin
Lightning Dynamics GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.19 02:57:00 -
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Originally by: Shyalud Be sure to add cDc to your -ve list as you are on ours. cDc will back our allies and welcome the new targets.
Back our allies? Until a bigger group comes by you can sell out to?
ERA loved the backing you provided. Are you making enough silver in D2 now Judas? Miram Teldarin
For the Swarm!
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FotoFlame
E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2006.07.19 03:02:00 -
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Edited by: FotoFlame on 19/07/2006 03:03:34
Originally by: Calenth
Eh
At your observations generally. If anything there was a reluctance to goto war with Sparta because of a well known agreement we had made with them. Even after they had merged with the NFC and taken temporary control of lower dek it took a couple of more convo's before they left us no choice.
~Foto
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Truth Serum
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Posted - 2006.07.19 04:52:00 -
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Originally by: Shyalud cDc will back our allies
Your allies are whomever is strongest at the time.
for shame
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Vile rat
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.19 05:27:00 -
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Originally by: Shyalud Be sure to add cDc to your -ve list as you are on ours. cDc will back our allies and welcome the new targets.
This is a special kind of funny.
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Alctel Prime
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.19 06:19:00 -
[205]
Edited by: Alctel Prime on 19/07/2006 06:20:50
Originally by: Ceratin
Originally by: Nafri not to be somebodies meatshield.
Originally by: Doctor Pod Unless they are D2's meatshield
ER is d2's only meatshield, and we like our job thankyou very much :)
Quoting this, because whenever we engage D2 it always seems to be E-R leading the charge. You guys are really on the wrong side! :)
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Jancen Sykes
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Posted - 2006.07.19 06:39:00 -
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Edited by: Jancen Sykes on 19/07/2006 06:40:58
Originally by: Calenth
Yeah, the fact that IRON was using d2 stations to stage their dreads really shows exactly how neutral d2 was.
Well until a special event happened, sparta and NFC where also allowed to dock on our Stations. So every side had gain the same from us.
Or do you want to blame ISS now too that they arnt neutral because your enemys can dock there too?
And dont you guys forget something about this? The first war was between FLA+Iron against NFC+OPus. As far as i know D¦ talked with Iron and Sparta that sparta keep neutral in this conflict and for that they wont get attacked by Iron.
After this War was ofer and NFC disbanded and The most NFC Corps joined Sparta immideatly claiming their old region, now owned by Iron back. so if you be exact Sparta agressed iron.
well i think it doesnt even matter what ever we had done. It had be the wrong course of action so or so, just because you Goonguys need some new food propagandamaschin filled with half-truth and missinformations.
A wait there is a post from you wich got my attention. You guys state that you know that the IRON-Dreads could dock at our station because you guys killed 2 of them while the others docked. You refer in this sentence the time before we set Sparta to -10 ( if not he didnt even had to mention it ) thats quit interesting.
and now have fun to take this post apart with your own "interpretations ".
Edit: @ Shyalud: sorry i dont get your post. Just tell me on wich side you are fighting now so that i know if i have to by more ammo or not... oh.. wait... iam Amarr.. i even dont need ammo. well nevermind it then.
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Luthien Firefoot
Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2006.07.19 07:41:00 -
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Edited by: Luthien Firefoot on 19/07/2006 07:44:12
Signature removed - Too wide.Laurelin |
Luthien Firefoot
Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2006.07.19 07:42:00 -
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Originally by: Calenth
Originally by: Cringeley You could have refused to remain blue with any of your friends who aggressed against other friends. If I have two friends who are sharing a pie, and one friend starts punching the other friend in the face to get a bigger share of the pie, I am not being a friend to the victim if I say "hey, you guys sort this out between yourselves, I'm friends with both of you". Also it's well known that you were allowing IRON to stage dreadnoughts out of your stations (that's where we blew two of them up).
Yeah, the fact that IRON was using d2 stations to stage their dreads really shows exactly how neutral d2 was. But to follow on to Cringeley's analogy: I think every corporation in the game has a basic rule that if one member shoots at another member, for any reason, without clearing it with the corporate directors, the aggressive member gets disciplined and/or booted. What's good policy at a corporate level is good policy at the alliance level, too, and the failure to enforce such a basic policy shows exactly how much d2 valued their "true friends" in Sparta.
Why does D2 or IRON or anyone else need or want to answer to you, or anyone from your blobbing, lag creating alliance. Go nap ASCN or sumthing, doh too late nubcake...
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Nafri
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.19 07:43:00 -
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Edited by: Nafri on 19/07/2006 07:43:46
Originally by: Ceratin
Originally by: Nafri not to be somebodies meatshield.
Originally by: Doctor Pod Unless they are D2's meatshield
ER is d2's only meatshield, and we like our job thankyou very much :)
Im meatshield myself, the good part about beeing meathshield is that you get the most fun
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Fred0
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Posted - 2006.07.19 08:35:00 -
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Originally by: Cringeley You could have refused to remain blue with any of your friends who aggressed against other friends. If I have two friends who are sharing a pie, and one friend starts punching the other friend in the face to get a bigger share of the pie, I am not being a friend to the victim if I say "hey, you guys sort this out between yourselves, I'm friends with both of you". Also it's well known that you were allowing IRON to stage dreadnoughts out of your stations (that's where we blew two of them up).
That rl analogy does not hold up. The conflict was not that one sided and you're trying to act overly naive to paint D2 bad.
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