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Lothras Andastar
Associated North American Lovers of Dolphins
87
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Posted - 2014.08.26 13:46:00 -
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Ynot Eyob wrote: Iv been playing online games since 1996, and i assure you, its not one in a million, just in the 581 members we have within alliance i can name quite a few, and know quite a few who have stopped playing due to the high plex prises atm.
Ya we are problally a bunch of loosers then and the 10 - 12 people are problally the only ones in EVE.
2) Yes, you are a bunch of losers.
1) And that is because of Public Plex contracts how? Because the Legacy Code has too much Psssssssssssssssh, nothing will ever get fixed until CCP stop wasting money on failed sparkle MMOs and instead rewrite the entire backend of EvE from scratch. |
Caius Sivaris
Dark Nexxus S I L E N T.
93
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Posted - 2014.08.26 14:51:00 -
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Ynot Eyob wrote: Here we are talking about people who cant afford it. Iv seen people who have playing 2 - 3 years podded many times, but falling for this scam, and just cant afford to resub for RL money.
The time of people that can't afford to pay for EVE (most expensive option : $0.5 a day) would be better spent trying to improve their RL economic conditions. Scammers are doing these people a favor.
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IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
1150
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Posted - 2014.08.26 17:24:00 -
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Ynot Eyob wrote: Then i deffently stand by my OP. Eighter remove plex from public contracts or redo the UI so even tiret people see the YOU PAY part propper.
From this it's obvious you either have problems understanding English or lack basic reading skills. I honestly feel bad you were scammed but it's not because of the game. You can change the language in Eve. If this is not your issue please consider either taking some classes or look online
I found this online but I'm sure there's more if you search http://www.k5learning.com/reading-comprehension-worksheets
Now to the topic of victims being scammed and not being able to resub this isn't just exclusive to PLEX scams. Say I just got scammed out of a billion ISK with a margin trading scam and now I can't afford a PLEX to keep subscribed... Any scam could cause someone to be unable to resubscribe if they're using PLEX rather than real life money to pay.
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Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
4099
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Posted - 2014.08.26 20:06:00 -
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No for several reasons:
1.) I don't believe PLEX should be some sacred cow that can't be used for scamming. Scamming is an important part of this game, and always has been.
2.) I have no sympathy for people that can't pay for their accounts. It is nice they can grind isk and swap it with some other person for Game time, but they aren't entitled to game time just because they grind. It is a balance, and if the going rate of plexes is too high for people to comfortably grind in a month, that means we have too many people trying to fund their accounts in that manner.
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Ynot Eyob
Nisroc Angels The Obsidian Front
440
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Posted - 2014.08.26 20:40:00 -
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Gizznitt Malikite wrote: No for several reasons:
1.) I don't believe PLEX should be some sacred cow that can't be used for scamming. Scamming is an important part of this game, and always has been.
2.) I have no sympathy for people that can't pay for their accounts. It is nice they can grind isk and swap it with some other person for Game time, but they aren't entitled to game time just because they grind. It is a balance, and if the going rate of plexes is too high for people to comfortably grind in a month, that means we have too many people trying to fund their accounts in that manner.
1) I agree scamming is part of EVE and should be, just not on PLEX
2) if those people didnt exist, the sale on PLEX would drop badly, people not trading buy PLEX to save RL money
@ IIshira I didnt get scammed, and i do pay for all my account and i do have 5 accounts Nisroc Angels - The Obsidian Front Nisroc - Angel of Freedom Nisroc is known as "The Great Eagle".
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Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
2496
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Posted - 2014.08.27 23:46:00 -
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Anthar Thebess wrote:Alvatore DiMarco wrote:This thread is so full of idiots. Removing PLEX from the game won't combat RMT, it will encourage it. Preventing RMT was the reason PLEX was introduced in the first place.
Do you all drink antifreeze, or what? PLEX is fine, you're all just bad at EVE. Go get scammed again. Don't offend other players, please.
If other players are offended by my being blunt about the matter, it's not my problem.
The only way to think this thread is a good idea is to be suffering the effects of having consumed antifreeze, to be one of those in-denial players who should be in a themepark right now or to be a complete idiot.
Or all three. |
Netan MalDoran
xXTheWarhammerXx
85
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Posted - 2014.08.28 00:01:00 -
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[quote=Ynot Eyob]Iv been around for 7 years now, and the ammount of good people who cant afford to play EVE with RL money work hard to buy a plex on the market./quote]
Stop right there, I want you to calculate the ISK/Hour that they are making, then convert that to real money. 99% guarantee they are making a lot less ISK/Hour playing EvE to grind ISK than they would if they had a minimal wage job for the same amount of hours. "Your security status has been lowered." - Hell yeah it was! |
Zylona Femtov
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
11
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Posted - 2014.08.28 07:21:00 -
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epicurus ataraxia wrote:Ynot Eyob wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Ynot Eyob wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:You can't patch reading comprehension.
Besides, I know more than a few people besides myself who sell those legitimately. Well why sell them on contracts legit when you can sell them on the market, regardless buyer have to go to station o pick it up, even in 0.0 where i assume more would be seen on legit contracts Because the market has a tax associated with it, while contracts have considerably less in fees. Same reason you would (and should) station trade them, save that you can do it over great distances and don't have to be online to sell it. So, I have a question for you. What's wrong with scamming? Nothing is wrong with scamming, but something is wrong with scamming with PLEX as it have people stop playing, when they lose everything. People often buy their plex once their sub is about to run out. Think they buy a plex on contract legit and get scammed often leave them with nothing left to pay for their subs. Public contracts for plex seem to have a number of roles. 1. Scamming 2. Identifying a user who has just bought a plex or ten and blowing their arse up when they undock. 3. Can't think of any more. If CCP believes it will affect their profitability, they will deal with it at a time of their choosing. Our opinions have no relevance, and until they do Jita local will stay as "delightful" as ever. Top tip that every new player should be told, if there is a public contract in Local, or you can buy it in the market but it's a bargain contract, it never ends well for you. But Those people have my sympathy, it sucks.
I agree with your statement, PLEX should be only on the market or private contract only. That would give stability to that market.
On that point I don't understand CCP.
Plex is a huge rent for them, it should not be subjet to scam.
It's not an ordinary item, it's made from real money.
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Fourteen Maken
State Protectorate Caldari State
138
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Posted - 2014.08.28 07:36:00 -
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Ynot Eyob wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Ynot Eyob wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:You can't patch reading comprehension.
Besides, I know more than a few people besides myself who sell those legitimately. Well why sell them on contracts legit when you can sell them on the market, regardless buyer have to go to station o pick it up, even in 0.0 where i assume more would be seen on legit contracts Because the market has a tax associated with it, while contracts have considerably less in fees. Same reason you would (and should) station trade them, save that you can do it over great distances and don't have to be online to sell it. So, I have a question for you. What's wrong with scamming? Nothing is wrong with scamming, but something is wrong with scamming with PLEX as it have people stop playing, when they lose everything. People often buy their plex once their sub is about to run out. Think they buy a plex on contract legit and get scammed often leave them with nothing left to pay for their subs.
Most of the scams I've seen do give a plex they just add an extra zero onto the price. It only affects people with 7-8bil in their wallet, and they do come out with another month playing time one way or the other.
Anyway just pointing that out, I don't really care either way I'm not taking sides; I despise scammers, and their victims in equal measure. |
Fr3akwave
Shattered Sword
32
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Posted - 2014.08.28 08:48:00 -
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There are another few thoughts on this from my side...
1. If a person plays eve a whole month and is barely able to grind that plex he must literally be doing nothing but that and extends his subscription for nothing but next months PLEX grind. Is that really fun (and realistic)? Besides, as soon as you can fly L4 missions or incursions it really is not a matter of magic, even if PLEX price was at 1b. Rather a matter of 2 days a month. If people are playing this game for longer than 3 months and are unable to accomplish that, i feel sorry for them, but they probably are playing the wrong game for them.
2. Quote:2) if those people didnt exist, the sale on PLEX would drop badly, people not trading buy PLEX to save RL money Yeah, but those people exist, and they exist in big amounts. While at the same time i believe that said persons are not the persons we are talking about but rather people who refuse to pay real money because they "don't have to so don't want to".
3. if you want to attach real money value to PLEX, every other ingame item is real-money too because by selling it, it can be converted to PLEX. That is the one major reason why you must not differentiate between PLEX and other ingame items with respect to their real money value!
All this is still no reason to ban public PLEX contracts at all. There is no problem. The only problem with those contracts is greed and the lack of reading comprehension. I can post a picture for you if you want, but i think CCP cant make it any more obvious that it currently is.
Everything you PAY is RED and has a big bright red headline "YOU PAY" on top of it. Everything you GET is GREEN and has a big bright green headline "YOU GET" on top of it. If you are unable to tell them apart and accept a scam contract, the problem is not within the game, the problem is yourself. |
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IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
1151
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Posted - 2014.08.28 14:50:00 -
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For those saying PLEX should be different because it's from RL money is silly. I can argue ALL ISK is from RL money. It doesn't matter if I get scammed out of a PLEX or a billion ISK from a margin trading scam. The end result is the same.
Of course no one has an argument to this.
The only way I might feel sorry for someone who fell for a PLEX scam was they never went to school and didn't learn how to read. Most people are just in a hurry and don't bother to read the contract.
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Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
4101
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Posted - 2014.08.28 15:07:00 -
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Ynot Eyob wrote:Gizznitt Malikite wrote: No for several reasons:
1.) I don't believe PLEX should be some sacred cow that can't be used for scamming. Scamming is an important part of this game, and always has been.
2.) I have no sympathy for people that can't pay for their accounts. It is nice they can grind isk and swap it with some other person for Game time, but they aren't entitled to game time just because they grind. It is a balance, and if the going rate of plexes is too high for people to comfortably grind in a month, that means we have too many people trying to fund their accounts in that manner.
1) I agree scamming is part of EVE and should be, just not on PLEX 2) if those people didnt exist, the sale on PLEX would drop badly, people not trading buy PLEX to save RL money @ IIshira I didnt get scammed, and i do pay for all my account and i do have 5 accounts
1.) I don't understand why PLEX should be a sacred cow? We can scam people for Titans and T2 BPO's and other items that are worth far, far, far more than a single PLEX. Why should PLEX be special?
2.) That is a strawman's argument. We will always have people that grind for game time, and just like we have people that make efficient use of their time by buying PLEX rather than grinding for Isk. The trick is to find a balancing point, done by the market. If you can't grind enough to buy a PLEX, support your playstyle, AND have a rainy day fund for when you fall for a scam, or get suicide ganked, or just **** up and lose expensive assets, then you should fork over the RL money to CCP. If you can't afford that, then you should go mow someone's grass or shovel a driveway for an hour so you can buy your next month of play time. The ability to grind isk and swap it to another player is nice, and mutually beneficial, but not guaranteed. The price point of PLEX is not guaranteed either, and subject to spikes and pitfalls. Choosing to fund your account in this manner is a risk that you must accept if you hope to play for your in-game grind time.
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Antillie Sa'Kan
Forging Industries Silent Infinity
633
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Posted - 2014.08.28 15:24:00 -
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Ynot Eyob wrote:But for those who cannot afford to pay subs and have someone else by a plex which they with work can buy in game, will in the end have a RL money value for that person, and he can save RL money. Sorry, but that is not how economics works. A coupon is not money, nor will it ever be.
Ynot Eyob wrote:Iv been playing online games since 1996, and i assure you, its not one in a million, just in the 581 members we have within alliance i can name quite a few, and know quite a few who have stopped playing due to the high plex prises atm. As I have said before. If you can't afford $15 every once in a while you shouldn't be playing an MMO. PLEX is a way to occasionally get a free month. Not a way to play for free. Trying to turn it into one is just setting yourself up for disappointment and failure. |
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