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Ezar82
One True Cave Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
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Posted - 2014.08.10 20:09:00 -
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Hello fellow capsulers and lazy DEVS. I will probably motivate you (devs) to hard work.
The problem is well known to everyone cloaky afk campers - coercers. CCP created fantastic platform for real money coerce.
SCREEN
For thoes who are afraid of external links I will quote this statment from corporation bulletin.
Quote:We are a group of individuals from all different parts of eve with one objective, to camp you.
Convo an individual if you want to make a deal (monthly) 1500m if paid right away, +250m for every kill before paid
Honor All Ransoms
As stated above we honor all ransoms, if a 3rd party is needed we will allow for it
Any ransom paid applies to all camping members of our corp. Each character in this corporation is a camper, we will never camp you on other alts once paid, this is a business our business is to get paid or get kills and move on once job is completed (i.e. once ransom is paid or once you no longer live there)
We drop 3rd parties in the area we are camping and are wormhole friendly. We opperate on ransoms and loot.
To have a system camped. 1. Let a member of our corp know that you would like a system camped 2. Identify the system in a mail with system name and potential targets 3. Know that a standard price is 250m to move a character to that system to disrupt there money making abilities (Disclaimer: We will not camp a system that is uninhabitted) 4. Our Camping/Ransom rules apply, if a system we have been paid to camp pays us to leave we will leave. This does not violate the camping agreement as we have successfully disrupted there money making abilities by having them pay us a lump sum.
We do appreciate hate mail Public Channel: Camp_You
Generaly I'm buying PLEXs for real hard earned cash which I later change for in game currency ISK. Someone wants to coerce my ISK - goods that I bought for rl cash and this is considered crime. 1500mil ISK is something about 30 EURO that this person wouldn't pay to CCP because I did it. If the mechanic of the game allows this happen then it makes CCP look as if they are fencing the stolen property.
I'm actually considering to revoke my last payment to CCP, and sue CCP in Polish court. I'm only waiting for response from CCP if they going to change the mechanic of EVE to avoid this kind of situation. I will also talk to few editors of gamer magazines and put some light on this rigamorole.. |
Glory Potato
Potato Factory La Inquisicion Espanola
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Posted - 2014.08.10 20:26:00 -
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Hello thread of pure gold! |
Sol epoch
The Death Stalkers
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Posted - 2014.08.10 20:27:00 -
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ROFL, You read and agreed the EULA. Nobody forced you so good luck with the Polish courts. |
Ezar82
One True Cave Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
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Posted - 2014.08.10 20:28:00 -
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Coerce is a crime no EULA can change this. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2014.08.10 20:29:00 -
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Glory Potato wrote:Hello thread of pure gold! Lemme get my whisky before this kick off =][= |
Sol epoch
The Death Stalkers
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Posted - 2014.08.10 20:31:00 -
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Ezar82 wrote:Coerce is a crime no EULA can change this.
You mean "Coercion"
Coercion is the practice of forcing another party to act in an involuntary manner by use of intimidation or threats or some other form of pressure or force.
So who threatened, Forced intimidated you in this? |
Leto Thule
Fleet-Jump Surely You're Joking
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Posted - 2014.08.10 20:38:00 -
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Oh look, more trash. Killboard
https://zkillboard.com/character/90841161/
If you didnt vote Psychotic Monk, you voted for Hello Kitty in space |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
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Posted - 2014.08.10 20:39:00 -
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You purchased intangible goods with your money. It just so happens that those intangible goods A: remain the property of CCP, as per the EULA, and B: have no real world value once purchased.
Extortion and coercion are valid game-play options in Eve.
Have fun with the Polish Courts btw, you agreed to waive your right to any legal protections not outlined below when you accepted the EULA.
Quote:GOVERNING LAW AND EXCLUSIVE FORUM The EULA, and the rights and obligations of the parties hereto, shall be governed and construed by and in accordance with the laws of the Republic of Iceland. The EULA shall not be governed by the United Nations Convention on Contracts for the International Sale of Goods.
The sole and exclusive forum for resolving any controversy, dispute or claim arising out of or relating to the EULA, or otherwise relating to any rights in, access to or use of the Software, System, Game, Game Content, User Content and/or the rights and obligations of the parties hereto, shall be the District Court of Reykjav+¡k, Iceland, (H+¬ra+¦sd+¦mur Reykjav+¡kur). You hereby expressly waive and agree not to raise any and all objections based on personal jurisdiction, venue and/or inconvenience of such forum and agree to the jurisdiction of the District Court of Reykjav+¡k, Iceland. Never hold your farts in. They travel up your spine and into the brain, where they ferment. They then migrate to your keyboard via your fingers. That's where shiptoasts come from.
Nil mortifi sine lucre. |
Sol epoch
The Death Stalkers
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Posted - 2014.08.10 20:40:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:You purchased intangible goods with your money. It just so happens that those intangible goods A: remain the property of CCP, as per the EULA, and B: have no real world value once purchased. Extortion and coercement are valid game-play options in Eve. Have fun with the Polish Courts btw, you agreed to waive your right to any legal protections not outlined below when you accepted the EULA. Quote:GOVERNING LAW AND EXCLUSIVE FORUM The EULA, and the rights and obligations of the parties hereto, shall be governed and construed by and in accordance with the laws of the Republic of Iceland. The EULA shall not be governed by the United Nations Convention on Contracts for the International Sale of Goods.
The sole and exclusive forum for resolving any controversy, dispute or claim arising out of or relating to the EULA, or otherwise relating to any rights in, access to or use of the Software, System, Game, Game Content, User Content and/or the rights and obligations of the parties hereto, shall be the District Court of Reykjav+¡k, Iceland, (H+¬ra+¦sd+¦mur Reykjav+¡kur). You hereby expressly waive and agree not to raise any and all objections based on personal jurisdiction, venue and/or inconvenience of such forum and agree to the jurisdiction of the District Court of Reykjav+¡k, Iceland.
This says it far better than I did.
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Ezar82
One True Cave Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
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Posted - 2014.08.10 20:51:00 -
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I will consult this sue option tommorow with a lawyer. But for sure i can do the nice advert campaign for CCP and EVE. |
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Pseudo Ucksth
B0rthole
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Posted - 2014.08.10 21:06:00 -
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:munch: |
sHanQ Myteia
Hard Knocks Inc.
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Posted - 2014.08.10 21:16:00 -
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Ezar82 wrote:I will consult this sue option tommorow with a lawyer. But for sure i can do the nice advert campaign for CCP and EVE.
BTW. CCP is paying you for defeding them?
LMAO you're awesome dude.... i nearly wet myself reading your bullshit ++_+¢
keep it up! :D |
Samantha Floyd
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.08.10 21:19:00 -
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6/10 I laughed |
Ria Nieyli
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Posted - 2014.08.10 21:19:00 -
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Wow, this is the first time I've seen someone threaten to sue CCP due to cloaky campers. Do not remove a fly from your friend's forehead with a hatchet.
- Ancient Chinese Proverb |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
20043
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Posted - 2014.08.10 21:23:00 -
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Ezar82 wrote:I will consult this sue option tommorow with a lawyer. But for sure i can do the nice advert campaign for CCP and EVE. Your lawyer will read the EULA and tell you that you haven't got a leg to stand on.
Quote:BTW. CCP is paying you for defeding them? Your tears are payment enough
Never hold your farts in. They travel up your spine and into the brain, where they ferment. They then migrate to your keyboard via your fingers. That's where shiptoasts come from.
Nil mortifi sine lucre. |
Ezar82
One True Cave Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
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Posted - 2014.08.10 21:26:00 -
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sHanQ Myteia wrote:Ezar82 wrote:I will consult this sue option tommorow with a lawyer. But for sure i can do the nice advert campaign for CCP and EVE.
BTW. CCP is paying you for defeding them? LMAO you're awesome dude.... i nearly wet myself reading your bullshit ++_+¢ keep it up! :D
YES. More hate I love this. If you don't have anything constructive to say leave your bullshit elsewhere. |
WASPY69
Hard Knocks Inc.
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Posted - 2014.08.10 21:27:00 -
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Hi, I'm a qualified space attorney, and for a generous one-time deposit of 400 million ISK to this character I will resolve this issue with the campers for you. |
Rowells
Unknown Soldiers Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2014.08.10 21:35:00 -
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oh boy, lets get technical.
you know why it doesn't count as coercment? It's not your isk or plex to begin with. everything ingame (including PLEX belongs to CCP. So they can do or not do whatever the hell they want with it. And yes, the PLEX is theirs. You are simply purchasing the rights to use a token in-game. Because if CCP decides to confiscate it because of ban or something, there is no refund, because its not yours.
So you haven't lost anything.
Now that that's out of my system...
HAHAHAHahahahahaHAHAHA-*cough*-ahaHAHAHAHA! Let me get my pickaxe because this thread is pure gold! |
Lugia3
Intentionally Dense Easily Excited
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Posted - 2014.08.10 21:35:00 -
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Go back to wow, scrub. "CCP Dolan is full of ****." - CCP Bettik
Remove Sov! |
Juris Macto
B0rthole
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Posted - 2014.08.10 21:36:00 -
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I am taking this break from laughing so hard that I gave myself a hernia to bring you this important announcement.
If you are actually serious in your posting, I may just need a new pair of lungs.
As it stands, you owe me medical fees for fixing my hernia that was caused by my laughing at you.
That makes more sense than what you are saying. |
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Subject 4927
Your Local Service Provider
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Posted - 2014.08.10 21:36:00 -
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MRW this post. http://subjectandfriends.wordpress.com |
Rita Eistiras
UmbreIla Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
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Posted - 2014.08.10 21:41:00 -
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I like this topic |
Ezar82
One True Cave Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
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Posted - 2014.08.10 21:42:00 -
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WASPY69 wrote:Hi, I'm a qualified space attorney, and for a generous one-time deposit of 400 million ISK to this character I will resolve this issue with the campers for you.
Here we have the point. I dont want pay to the afk camper and I dont want pay to you. I want to solve this alone but i can't because game mechanic is broken and CCP don't want do anything with this. So i will help them to do this asap.
If neuts dont leave to the next sunday i will call you. Is the price to negociation??? |
Zero Sum Gain
FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDOOOOOOOOM Silent Requiem
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Posted - 2014.08.10 21:43:00 -
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/deleted |
WASPY69
Hard Knocks Inc.
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Posted - 2014.08.10 21:49:00 -
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Ezar82 wrote:WASPY69 wrote:Hi, I'm a qualified space attorney, and for a generous one-time deposit of 400 million ISK to this character I will resolve this issue with the campers for you. Here we have the point. I dont want pay to the afk camper and I dont want pay to you. I want to solve this alone but i can't because game mechanic is broken and CCP don't want do anything with this. So i will help them to do this asap. If neuts dont leave to the next sunday i will call you. Is the price to negociation??? I take matters like this very seriously. I fully understand your doubts, given the nature of this game. However as I have a reputation to uphold, I always aim to fulfill my clients requests and needs.
I wish you the best of luck in court, dealing with this issue. And if that should prove unsuccessful my offer still stands. I might even cut you a special deal since i feel sympathetic with you and your current situation. |
sHanQ Myteia
Hard Knocks Inc.
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Posted - 2014.08.10 21:50:00 -
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Ezar82 wrote:sHanQ Myteia wrote:Ezar82 wrote:I will consult this sue option tommorow with a lawyer. But for sure i can do the nice advert campaign for CCP and EVE.
BTW. CCP is paying you for defeding them? LMAO you're awesome dude.... i nearly wet myself reading your bullshit ++_+¢ keep it up! :D YES. More hate I love this. If you don't have anything constructive to say leave your bullshit elsewhere.
referring to your initial post you seem to be the mad one here...
just tell us how hard the lawyer was laughing when you come back tomorrow ;) |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
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Posted - 2014.08.10 21:54:00 -
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Although I'm sure someone else already said this, you agreed to the EULA when you first started playing the game. Part of that states that, once you hand CCP money for a PLEX, that money is gone, exchanged for digital goods in the game. After that, CCP washes their hands of the situation, and the PLEX is yours to do with as you please.
You should also be aware that, if you revoke that payment with your bank, CCP will perma ban you and all of your accounts. You should also know that, to my knowledge at least, no one has ever successfully sued CCP. (thanks to the contract you agreed, which you would be breaking, they can also force you to pay for court costs in more than a few countries since your lawsuit would be deemed frivolous)
So, take your loss like a man, and quit asking for someone else to cover your bad decisions. All you're doing right now is confirming every single stereotype about renters. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |
sHanQ Myteia
Hard Knocks Inc.
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Posted - 2014.08.10 21:57:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Although I'm sure someone else already said this, you agreed to the EULA when you first started playing the game. Part of that states that, once you hand CCP money for a PLEX, that money is gone, exchanged for digital goods in the game. After that, CCP washes their hands of the situation, and the PLEX is yours to do with as you please.
You should also be aware that, if you revoke that payment with your bank, CCP will perma ban you and all of your accounts. You should also know that, to my knowledge at least, no one has ever successfully sued CCP. (thanks to the contract you agreed, which you would be breaking, they can also force you to pay for court costs in more than a few countries since your lawsuit would be deemed frivolous)
So, take your loss like a man, and quit asking for someone else to cover your bad decisions. All you're doing right now is confirming every single stereotype about renters.
very nice post, like this. especially the last part |
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ISD Cyberdyne
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2014.08.10 22:06:00 -
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If you have concerns about the game mechanics within the game, you are welcome to file a petition. As this thread violates forum rules, it is closed.
Quote:2. Be respectful toward others at all times.
The purpose of the EVE Online forums is to provide a platform for exchange of ideas, and a venue for the discussion of EVE Online. Occasionally there will be conflicts that arise when people voice opinions. Forum users are expected to be courteous when disagreeing with others.
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