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Jim Raynor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.18 05:13:00 -
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Originally by: Ginger Magician Eve-tv is a laudable effort by all those concerned however the coverage of the allaince tournament unfortunately revealed just how boring the combat and setup of this tournament is. The couple of matches that I watched were nothing more than tanking fests with one side not even attempting to even attack the other.All 5 ships of one allaince remained at 100% shields for the whole duration of the fight. One poor frig pilot even resorted to firing snowballs as obviosuly he had no chance to infulence proceedings other than by the comedy factor.This sort of combat with extensive use of cap,shield and armor transfer arrays in high slots as well as logistics drones bears no relation to everyday fights in the real world of eve and therefore is of limited interest to those not directly involved.
I would suggest that rather than these tournament non-events something of more interest to the general eve player might be shown such as interviews and discussions about all aspects of eve and general game play.
Anyhow keep up the good work and looking forward to more broadcasts.(Hopefully of a more interesting nature)
Next tournament should start at 250KM to satisfy ol' Ginger. ------
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DigitalCommunist
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.07.18 05:26:00 -
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If theres ever a person to comment on what constitutes as fun pvp, its not Ginger Magician.
The fact that we don't see these kinds of fights on TQ is only proof of how effective ganking and ECM is.
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Jim Raynor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.18 05:39:00 -
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Originally by: DigitalCommunist If theres ever a person to comment on what constitutes as fun pvp, its not Ginger Magician.
The fact that we don't see these kinds of fights on TQ is only proof of how effective ganking and ECM is.
So like what are you getting at here? Since when did sitting in a .4 system with your 425mm Railguns loaded with Spike L, Sensor Boosters, Tracking Computers, and Warpcore Stabilizers not make for mind blistering fun PvP? ------ I'll make a sig later. |
Famine Aligher'ri
V i L e
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Posted - 2006.07.18 05:40:00 -
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Edited by: Famine Aligher''ri on 18/07/2006 05:40:29
Originally by: DigitalCommunist
Originally by: Flipidy Floo I'm very disapointed that these guys have not done their homework on the alliances involved in the tourney. It seems like beyond the big 10 alliances presant, they know nothing about anyone else.
I don't expect them to know about a 10 man alliance that has no presance in the game, but seriously, they've had over a month to do a bit of research on the rest. It's very disrespectful to those alliances that are getting called carebears and shrugged off from day one.
Either they're doing because they truely don't know, or they are showing true disrespect for those alliances. I can understand that coming from the guest on the show, but not the host. There are plenty of simple ways that they could have researched who everyone is and hardly taken away from their game time.
By next weekend, I truely hope they get their act together over there and look like they have a bit of a clue. Beyond watching the matches, it's been a truely dreadful experience watching the show.
To know every alliance would require them to be politicians and not pvpers. And in an alliance tourney, the last thing that should matter is politics. They don't have to do any research, or homework, because theres no point in that. If you're not known as an alliance to four out of four people, you should probably worry about making a name for yourself in the matches.
Well I agree with Flipidy Floo. I disagree with DigitalCommunist.
You have one who knows the sport (pvp) and you have someone who knows about the sport (alliance). It requires 2 people to do this. I believe it's always been that way. I also believe that's why they recruit old retired sports players to actually come in and talk during and after the games on plays (tactics), coaching (teamwork), and ect (builds, defense, offense, and ect).
Dispite that aspect of me disagreeing with DC nonsense. I also disagree that giving other alliances bad coverage is "OK" because they're not as known due to not earning it. I don't believe people need to have this communities "OK" to earn or have anything in game. If you think you do, then maybe you take this whole "I'm Famous" thing too far. Doing research on all the alliances is not just something to say "This alliance is good" when it might not be true. It's a way to show the community and everyone else what this alliance is and what they're bringing to the table. This is something I know I would want to hear too.
I liked EVETV and this is not me crying about how bad it was. It's really awsome and the matches were great. I'm not crying about how other alliances where mistreated. Just after reading this post. I can see where the original poster is comming from and hope it can improve next time. Nothing wrong with getting feedback on perfecting it without getting huffy puffy :)
Much respect to the staff and people who put this together --------------- Vile - Recruiting 0.0 Pirates |
Gariuys
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.18 07:36:00 -
[185]
Well if those alliances are asked to provide info and don't give any, who's to blame?
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NTRabbit
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.18 09:09:00 -
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Originally by: Gariuys Well if those alliances are asked to provide info and don't give any, who's to blame?
EVE-Radio, obviously
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Dhunter
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Posted - 2006.07.18 10:54:00 -
[187]
Anyway i want to see more of dj xiliana , she¦s hot
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Trevedian
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.18 11:58:00 -
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Originally by: Ginger Magician Eve-tv is a laudable effort by all those concerned however the coverage of the allaince tournament unfortunately revealed just how boring the combat and setup of this tournament is. The couple of matches that I watched were nothing more than tanking fests with one side not even attempting to even attack the other.All 5 ships of one allaince remained at 100% shields for the whole duration of the fight. One poor frig pilot even resorted to firing snowballs as obviosuly he had no chance to infulence proceedings other than by the comedy factor.This sort of combat with extensive use of cap,shield and armor transfer arrays in high slots as well as logistics drones bears no relation to everyday fights in the real world of eve and therefore is of limited interest to those not directly involved.
I would suggest that rather than these tournament non-events something of more interest to the general eve player might be shown such as interviews and discussions about all aspects of eve and general game play.
Anyhow keep up the good work and looking forward to more broadcasts.(Hopefully of a more interesting nature)
EVE TV and the commentators are doing a great job, I'd like to see all these whiners do better...
Ginger Magician could never compete with competent PVPers, because he has no tactics other than staying out of sentry range and always being lined up to warp...
Its easy to criticize but Ginger knows he wouldn't have the faintest hope of winning an event like this, so he calls it boring etc. (Like Sniping 250km away is sooo much fun, LOL)
The people making whine threads about how EVE TV, the Championship, etc. could be better, have prolly never organized anything in their lives... Getting a bunch of people to work together and make this event a success is a huge achievement in itself...
Sex0r > you're bounty turns me on.. you seem like the kind of amarrian to dominate me
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FooB2
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.18 12:17:00 -
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fact of the matter is, you cant compare this tournament to TQ PVP, at all. no two things could be further from each other. i can only assume you call it "boring" because you fail to grasp the concept of months of prerperation, revision of tactics, and billions of ISK put into faction ships and implants. These fights arent just "shoot at something randomly", they are battles of wits. battles of who can spot the other teams tactics first, and then deal with them appropriatley. people have pulled lots of different tactics in this tournament that you would NEVER see in regular tranqulity PVP, some of them have been effective (like the survivintg basilisk) and some of them have been atrocious (bombapoc). but all of them have been vastly entertaining, because the majority of people havent seen these new tactics. in the instance of the typhoon team vs the rattlesnake team. on tranqulity no fight couldve been more one-sided (with tradition/expected TQ setups) but in the end, tactics prevailed. and it was a damn good fight.
basically, you're watching people play an RTS game like command & conquer, and then complaining like an idiot because its nothing like Quake 3. although i highly doubt you could call gate-sniping as "exciting" as Quake 3. i tried it for a month, and ill never try it again.
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spiralJunkie
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.18 16:01:00 -
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Originally by: Ginger Magician Eve-tv is a laudable effort by all those concerned however the coverage of the allaince tournament unfortunately revealed just how boring the combat and setup of this tournament is. The couple of matches that I watched were nothing more than tanking fests with one side not even attempting to even attack the other.All 5 ships of one allaince remained at 100% shields for the whole duration of the fight. One poor frig pilot even resorted to firing snowballs as obviosuly he had no chance to infulence proceedings other than by the comedy factor.This sort of combat with extensive use of cap,shield and armor transfer arrays in high slots as well as logistics drones bears no relation to everyday fights in the real world of eve and therefore is of limited interest to those not directly involved.
I would suggest that rather than these tournament non-events something of more interest to the general eve player might be shown such as interviews and discussions about all aspects of eve and general game play.
Anyhow keep up the good work and looking forward to more broadcasts.(Hopefully of a more interesting nature)
maybe we could do a 'tournament' where you control three accounts with a sniper, a boosting scorp, and a hauler, and then the other team can turn up in shuttles with bpos in them. would that be fun?
"The pundits in the studio are talking about why Caldari ships are being favoured in the tournament, why missiles and shield boosting are the ****, and despite not knowing any of this I am riveted." |
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Zeonog
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Posted - 2006.07.18 16:09:00 -
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HAHA! I can't believe people are moaning about this! Its a FREE service and a world first as far as I know!
Bloody hell, people are so ungrateful!!!!
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Famine Aligher'ri
V i L e
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Posted - 2006.07.18 16:10:00 -
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When I turned it on the first time it was Red Skull and I think Stain? I saw a bunch of Krom tags and thought to myself "Haha Trev is out there in some Amarrian ship I bet". What do you know :P It was what a Fleet Tempest, Muninn, Astarte, Ishkur I think vs Krom's Navy Issue Raven, Zealot, Absolution, and Crusader I think? Anyways, yeah frigs popped then the Astarte moved up on the Zealot and damn man it got exciting because Astarte has a heavy tank not to mention blasters. Soon as it got right up on the Zealot I thought it was over for the Zealot due to blasters. Yet the Zealot did hang on with I would assume added support from his teamates. Anyways Krom help win it for Redskull and it def was far from a boring match. I enjoyed it and was cheering at work like it was football :)
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Peter Armstrong
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.18 16:27:00 -
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Originally by: Zapatero
Originally by: Flipidy Floo I'm very disapointed that these guys have not done their homework on the alliances involved in the tourney. It seems like beyond the big 10 alliances presant, they know nothing about anyone else.
I don't expect them to know about a 10 man alliance that has no presance in the game, but seriously, they've had over a month to do a bit of research on the rest. It's very disrespectful to those alliances that are getting called carebears and shrugged off from day one.
Either they're doing because they truely don't know, or they are showing true disrespect for those alliances. I can understand that coming from the guest on the show, but not the host. There are plenty of simple ways that they could have researched who everyone is and hardly taken away from their game time.
By next weekend, I truely hope they get their act together over there and look like they have a bit of a clue. Beyond watching the matches, it's been a truely dreadful experience watching the show.
Given the effort that's been poured in in other areas of this amazing broadcast, we can surely forgive any perceived research deficiencies. If any alliance feels they have been disrespected by the pundits, then the best way to effect revenge is on the field of battle. In fact, this has already happened. Pundits offer opinions, not absolutes. And the job of the host is not to offer opinion, but to effect the pundit to reveal theirs'.
"Beyond watching the matches, it's been a truely dreadful experience watching the show."
That's unfair. Dreadful? Aside from the World Cup, EVE TV is as good a live broadcast as I've seen all year. EON making of notwithstanding - Z
Singed!!! so to OP QFT!
They done well to show us this and only problem i had have if its keep buffiting! but hey i seen the battles alright but Good work and good try!! too CCP!!
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PeeWee Pee
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Posted - 2006.07.18 16:42:00 -
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Originally by: PVP'er Edited by: PVP''er on 18/07/2006 00:14:04
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk
Originally by: PVP'er Forgot more than i'll ever know ?, erm sure. Here's a bit of advice, try playing the game before you call yourself an expert.
If you're such hot stuff, maybe you should realize that both myself and Stavros have been playing since beta, clearly you're too newbie to know what it means when the employment history doesn't start with a newbie corporation.
Also Ifni is one of the best PvPers you'll find anywhere on tranquility right now, don't remember how long he's played but quite frankly it's irrelevant.
Next time post your ignorance with your main.
Lol get a clue, and do something besides mumble all the time on evetv. I've been playing since beta so get your facts right. Best person at pvp isn't based on sp, experience or anything like that in your opinion, its based on how much u post on the forums, fact. Just cause u on evetv and are always on the forums doesn't automatically make u good at pvp noob.
say what? meh! never heard of you before.
back on topic. evetv is greatness. it definately beats watching starcraft competitions. what i like best is da commentators on evetv. fun to watch dude.
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Synapse Archae
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.18 17:05:00 -
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It's my opinion that an Eve wide PVP tournement should be commented on by someone who knows PVP.
Incidently, someone know knows PVP would also know that a sleipnir is a minmatar field command ship, not a faction ship.
Therefore, the commentators didnt know what they were talking about.
You know how pro sports always have people who used to play the game professionally as their commentators? Get someone with REAL PVP experience in PVP, or go without the comments.
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Commander Carrot
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Posted - 2006.07.18 17:07:00 -
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I thought on the whole it was very good.
Good effort boys.
No it was damned magnificent and a planetary first.
But... can you stop giving the english commentator Beer as he is liable to keep interrupting the other guy and UMM ing to make sure the other guy dosn't talk once hes partaken of the loopy juice. Hes ok when sober.
And guys ... don't invite ginger magician out from under his bridge when he calls as its really damned hard to fit his ego back under it again.
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DJ Xyliana
Eve Radio Corporation
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Posted - 2006.07.18 17:42:00 -
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Originally by: Commander Carrot
Good effort boys.
boys? ------------- Director of EveTV http://www.eve-radio.com http://www.myspace.com/djxyliana
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FooB2
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.18 17:50:00 -
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GIRLZ DONT EXIST ON THAT THAR INTARWEB
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Dkiler
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.18 17:54:00 -
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Originally by: Commander Carrot I thought on the whole it was very good.
Good effort boys.
Boys (and some men) and womyn yahhh bumb
Xiliana rocks
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Damion Zyne
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Posted - 2006.07.18 18:20:00 -
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Cant be asked to read the whole post, but... I get sick of people just *****ing about everything.
EVE TV rocks and yes they do mistakes, but hey thats always good for some laughing. Just be happy that they take the effort to let us all be part of the tournie. So big thanks to all peeps involved of EVE Radio and CCP.
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Commander Carrot
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Posted - 2006.07.18 20:36:00 -
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I apologise for my ignorance.
Good effort Boys and Girls.
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Scarcus
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.18 22:53:00 -
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Great job on the show. Keep up the good work.
Ginger...you are so bitter. Become a good guy and feel good again!
A frequent star in God's cosmic gag-reel. Sig removed. Inappropriate for the forums -Kaemonn |
Alberta
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.18 23:26:00 -
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Edited by: Alberta on 18/07/2006 23:28:17 Eve isn't some sugar coated friendly world full of cuddles and hugs in case you hadn't noticed. I'm not sure why you'd want or expect the alliance tournament or the coverage of it to be like that.
As was already pointed out Flipidy, in this very thread you're guilty of the same things you're complaining about. I don't even see you waving your corp's and alliance's flags under your name on the forums. Surely you must see that those who put themselves in the public eye are the ones which are being recognised. As are those who have made their actions felt in game.
Frankly I think the level of knowledge and interest shown in the various alliances has been quite fitting for a Caldari-run tournament. I've been highly entertained by the broadcast so far. The cutting remarks and dry humour from Stavros have been well contrasted by the more friendly/neutral comments of Ifni.
Well done everybody involved in bringing us EveTV.
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MOOstradamus
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Posted - 2006.07.18 23:57:00 -
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Originally by: spiralJunkie maybe we could do a 'tournament' where you control three accounts with a sniper, a boosting scorp, and a hauler, and then the other team can turn up in shuttles with bpos in them. would that be fun?
This sounds awesome
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Flipidy Floo
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Posted - 2006.07.19 00:08:00 -
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Edited by: Flipidy Floo on 19/07/2006 00:15:16 Edited by: Flipidy Floo on 19/07/2006 00:10:48 Edited by: Flipidy Floo on 19/07/2006 00:08:55
Originally by: Alberta Edited by: Alberta on 18/07/2006 23:28:17 Eve isn't some sugar coated friendly world full of cuddles and hugs in case you hadn't noticed. I'm not sure why you'd want or expect the alliance tournament or the coverage of it to be like that.
As was already pointed out Flipidy, in this very thread you're guilty of the same things you're complaining about. I don't even see you waving your corp's and alliance's flags under your name on the forums. Surely you must see that those who put themselves in the public eye are the ones which are being recognised. As are those who have made their actions felt in game.
Frankly I think the level of knowledge and interest shown in the various alliances has been quite fitting for a Caldari-run tournament. I've been highly entertained by the broadcast so far. The cutting remarks and dry humour from Stavros have been well contrasted by the more friendly/neutral comments of Ifni.
Well done everybody involved in bringing us EveTV.
So if I were to work with CCP and covered the next big event and disrespected BoB on there by saying; "Don't know much about them, so they must not be a good pvp alliance" or, ATW has a crappy name, must be carebears".. there wouldn't be forum complaints?
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Draaven
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.19 01:30:00 -
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To the guys who made EVE TV happen:
Bravo! Outstanding work!
To the guys posting on here to belittle their efforts/pvp knowledge/alliance knowledge/whatever:
Thanks for making the whole concept even more successful. Seriously. The only thing worse than a bad review is no review at all. It means you were watching, which is good. However, most of you are what I'd politely refer to as an "armchair quarterback", which is loosely defined as one who thinks they can do anything better than anyone else from the relative safety of their living room couch.
Most of the people afflicted by this...phenomena...would, in reality, fail miserably, horribly, and gut-busting laughably if placed in the actual position of having to accomplish said task.
Moving on from the obvious, I think it'd be really cool if each side had an extra "wave" of ships whose availability was set on rules that went something like this:
- The number of ships and the allotted time remains the same as present, but each team has a 'reserve' of X ships (3-4) that they can bring into the match at any time, with these criteria:
- Each side can only keep a maximum of 5 (or however many the current tourney round calls for) in the match at any given time
- When a reserve ship is destroyed, it cannot re-enter the tournament in subsequent rounds--the number of reserves is fixed throughout the entire bracket for each team.
- Reinforcements *have* to enter the field of engagement before all of the primary ships are destroyed. If all the primary ships in the round are defeated before reinforcements are brought in, that team loses the round and is eliminated from the tourney.
Anyway, just an ideaàonce again, brilliant work, EVE TV!
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Flipidy Floo
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Posted - 2006.07.19 02:46:00 -
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Edited by: Flipidy Floo on 19/07/2006 02:48:31 People are taking what was said way out of context. I can't state a problem I see with something without it meaning the end of the world?
It's like me saying, Brittney Spears is hot, but I think she's ditsy... so everyone deems me a Brittney hater?
The B/T match show is sub par due to lack of knowledge IMO compaired to the rest of their efforts. Apparently, I'm not the only one who thinks that also if you'd like to sort through all the flaming on this post. Would you rather I sing their praises even if I didn't feel they deserved all of it? Would you if you felt like me? Would they even consider fixing the problem that some of us have if they never heard about it?
Now this thread is laced with constant ridicule and bashing because someone didn't agree 100% with how a show is performed... all of you who have complained are no better than me in that regaurd. I made a statement that you didn't appreciate and I get hammered for it. Eve TV made statements that I didn't appreciate and I'm not allowed to do the same?
I can't believe how near sighted so many of you are being about such a simple post. Is it because I used the word HUGE? Well BIG was out of the question as it could have drawn negative press to a corp because I know some fool would make some crazy association.
Why don't I post on my main. Because simple post like this ruin reputations for no reason. If the forums, and for that matter, the gaming community weren't so sensitive to every little statement thrown out, maybe you'd see more mains post threads. But until you act like civilized adults rather than torch bearing maniacs on the forums, I don't see that happening.
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spiralJunkie
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.19 03:05:00 -
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Originally by: Flipidy Floo But until you act like civilized adults rather than torch bearing maniacs on the forums...
then why bother expressing your thoughts using a medium you can't appreciate
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Flipidy Floo
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Posted - 2006.07.19 03:37:00 -
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Originally by: spiralJunkie
Originally by: Flipidy Floo But until you act like civilized adults rather than torch bearing maniacs on the forums...
then why bother expressing your thoughts using a medium you can't appreciate
Why is it you can take the one sentence out of 6 paragraphs that's got nothing to do with the point of the post and comment on that?
Spiral, it's obvious your enraged by what I've said, but even some of your own radio mates agree with my comments to some extent. For once, try a construtive post on this thread rather than just continue to fume over what's already been done.
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Tachy
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Posted - 2006.07.19 04:04:00 -
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Originally by: Flipidy Floo
Originally by: spiralJunkie
Originally by: Flipidy Floo But until you act like civilized adults rather than torch bearing maniacs on the forums...
then why bother expressing your thoughts using a medium you can't appreciate
Why is it you can take the one sentence out of 6 paragraphs that's got nothing to do with the point of the post and comment on that?
Spiral, it's obvious your enraged by what I've said, but even some of your own radio mates agree with my comments to some extent. For once, try a construtive post on this thread rather than just continue to fume over what's already been done.
I guess the TV team is still in Reykjavik. It is about 0400 in Iceland.
It took them about four pages to point out in a side remark in an unstructured textblock that the participants had been contacted to send in some info, and a whopping 5 out of 40 alliances felt the urge to react.
And you seem to have missed it.
EVE TV studio palaver is nothing more than your usual talk while waiting for the next match. The Stooges would do just as good for filling the time, or ads for Icelandic grocery stores, Nigerian royalty news, yadda, yadda. At least they're talking about EVE. --*=*=*--
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