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Dire McCan
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.08.11 11:01:00 -
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Hello,
Since Kronos, i didn't see any faction BPC drop from a Relic or Data site.
i am Doing around 500 sites/ month in NullSec was used to get some before Kronos.
Maybe i was very unlucky but i think there is an issue unless it's intended and i missed something.
Anyone can confirm if you got some Faction BPC since Kronos ?
Thanks. |
Brutus Le'montac
132
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Posted - 2014.08.11 13:57:00 -
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now you mention it, havent seen one either....
Thought is dangerous; lack of thought, deadly!
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Antillie Sa'Kan
Forging Industries Silent Infinity
582
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Posted - 2014.08.11 14:12:00 -
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I took up exploration as a full time profession in null after Kronos and I didn't even know faction BPCs were a thing that could come from the sites. I have never seen one. |
Mr Chili Palmer
InterSun Freelance Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
155
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Posted - 2014.08.11 14:31:00 -
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you got more chance of finding rocking horse $hit
In my opinion data and relic sites are not even worth the effort I think ccp took away the loot when they took away the loot spew, in fact its an insult to even refer to it as "Loot" its nothing more than worthless crap. |
Antillie Sa'Kan
Forging Industries Silent Infinity
582
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Posted - 2014.08.11 16:00:00 -
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Mr Chili Palmer wrote:you got more chance of finding rocking horse $hit In my opinion data and relic sites are not even worth the effort I think ccp took away the loot when they took away the loot spew, in fact its an insult to even refer to it as "Loot" its nothing more than worthless crap. For data sites this is mostly true. But for relic sites I am going to have to disagree. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
28735
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Posted - 2014.08.11 22:02:00 -
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Yeah, that's to be expected.
CCP loves to swing the Nerf Bat...... Again, and again, and again, etc.
DMC
Faction Standing Repair Plan | California Eve Players | (Proposal) Bring Back 'The Endless Battle' Missions |
Fortorn Lonshanks
Adeptus Incursio
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Posted - 2014.08.12 00:49:00 -
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I have also noticed a lot of "empty" containers. Usually these unhacked empty containers are left by the scanner folks and so the sites are not despawned and spawned elsewhere in the constellation as was intended.
The ability to scan the cans needs to go away ASAP so the sites will cycle.
And yes I havent seen any faction BPCs either which is a significant chunk of profit from these sites.
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Akiel Endashi
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.08.13 12:08:00 -
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admittedly im only doing hisec atm (sorting skills and eq), but , relic sites and combat seem a waste of effort. Data sites I get about 3m isk per site, not bad for hisec |
erg cz
Sliperer
107
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Posted - 2014.08.13 12:25:00 -
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All faction loot was moved to cans in low sec. |
Sgt Bamcis
SomeWhat SophiSticateD Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2014.08.13 18:56:00 -
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erg cz wrote:All faction loot was moved to cans in low sec.
Cite? |
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Janikl Janeczek
Space Underground Silent Infinity
0
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Posted - 2014.08.14 16:37:00 -
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erg cz wrote:All faction loot was moved to cans in low sec.
All my exploration is done in LowSec, and I gotta say that while I used to find faction pos module BPCs back in the lootspew days, I haven't seen a single one of these items post-Kronos. I assumed that they all got moved to NullSec. Finding this thread though kinda squashes that idea.
Where do we go to find this stuff now? |
Shiloh Templeton
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
151
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Posted - 2014.08.17 03:42:00 -
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Fortorn Lonshanks wrote:I have also noticed a lot of "empty" containers left by the scanner folks and so the sites are not despawned and spawned elsewhere in the constellation as was intended. Do partially run sites despawn at downtime? |
Dire McCan
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2014.08.17 07:01:00 -
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Shiloh Templeton wrote:Do partially run sites despawn at downtime?
From my experience, partially run sites stay with all the can full after downtime. if you do 5/6 cans before DT, after DT the site will have the 6 cans full.
If a dev read this, can we get an official statement about faction BPC still dropping or not from data/relic site please ?
As no one confirmed the BPC still dropping, i suppose CCP changed something or it's an issue.
Thanks |
Athryn Bellee
Ridge Mineral Holdings
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Posted - 2014.08.17 07:11:00 -
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Dire McCan wrote:Shiloh Templeton wrote:Do partially run sites despawn at downtime? From my experience, partially run sites stay with all the can full after downtime. if you do 5/6 cans before DT, after DT the site will have the 6 cans full.
If a dev read this, can we get an official statement about faction BPC still dropping or not from data/relic site please ? As no one confirmed the BPC still dropping, i suppose CCP changed something or it's an issue. Thanks
Supposedly they changed it a couple months ago so that if one of the cans in attempted and you warp out the site will respawn after an hour or so. I haven't tested it as I just blitz all the cans regardless of their value. |
Anthar Thebess
654
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Posted - 2014.08.17 11:10:00 -
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Confirm, no faction BPC for ages now. Support Needed : Jump Fuel Consumption Support Needed : Faction Crystal Changes |
Higgs Foton
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
165
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Posted - 2014.08.17 11:47:00 -
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Havent seen them as well. Also the datafiles have dissappeared from sites. Havent seen them since, and i need them for invention. *Snip* Removed trolling part of the post. ISD Ezwal.*Snip* *Snip*-áPlease refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.*Snip* *Snip*-áRemoved part of the post for not having enough pssssshhhhhh. ISD Ezwal.-á*Snip* |
Ikonia
Royal Amarr Expeditions
70
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Posted - 2014.08.22 12:31:00 -
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Cant complain about BPCs of faction ships. More than im building them atm, cause i hate mining.
The only thing id complain about is the nonsense with the Tech2 BPCs for rigs inside relics. 0 ME and 0 TE and captial size? Who would be dumb enough to produce that? Less value than toilet paper.
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Dire McCan
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.08.22 16:09:00 -
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Ikonia wrote:Cant complain about BPCs of faction ships. More than im building them atm, cause i hate mining.
The only thing id complain about is the nonsense with the Tech2 BPCs for rigs inside relics. 0 ME and 0 TE and captial size? Who would be dumb enough to produce that? Less value than toilet paper.
Since the change on ME and TE, T2 rigs from data/relic have ME9 and TE9 by default.
http://imgur.com/qO6QshT
But i am aggree Capital rig still cost too much. |
Feanor Feuergeist
The Scope Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2014.08.22 23:41:00 -
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But if you nerf everything down , doesnt that neab you HAVE TO grind to get decent value?
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Czeris
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
119
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Posted - 2014.08.23 23:48:00 -
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Can confirm no faction pos module or tower bpcs in the last 300 or so data/relic sites. |
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Tolkaz Khamsi
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2014.08.24 01:48:00 -
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I haven't gotten a faction BPC from a data or relic site in forever. But a mission rat dropped a Succubus BPC a couple of days back, so there's that.
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Rekkr Nordgard
Ghost Platoon Member Brothers of Tangra
415
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Posted - 2014.08.25 21:33:00 -
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I run a lot of relic/data sites. I used to find a faction BPC for POS modules every now and then, but I haven't gotten one of those for a very, very long time. |
Shurq'Elalle
Fault Line Industries Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
0
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Posted - 2014.08.25 22:30:00 -
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Everything about data and relic is a gigantic friggin troll.
WTF is wrong with the devs in charge of relic / data?
WHY do you think that after dropping loot roughly 75% after getting rid of the F____ loot spew mechanics that it's an acceptable way to make cash in this game?
Noob a - learns to fly a vexor and starts ratting in nulsec.
within 2 weeks is making 10-15m ticks and, most importantly, DOES NOT PULL HAIR OUT after having his bull____ minigame sodomize him with random number generator CRAP (which no other skill in game has to deal with. skill level 1 performs at x, skill 2, performs at 2x. This does NOT apply with the minigame at all.)
Noob b - learns to fly stealth bombers, astrometrics skills to find the sites, hacking and data to do the sites, and relevant ship skills to avoid all pvp while doing them. This requires about 170% more training than ratting does to prepare for scan sites.
After 1 month, noob a has generated probably 1-2b in rat money, 400-800m in sellable modules, plus salvage if he does it.
After 1 month, noob b has - WAIT - Noob B is still training the f____ skills to be able to hack in nulsec.
OK ... cut to 60 days in.
noob a - maybe has a few billion now, some backup ratting ships, and is progressing well.
noob b - just started to realize that after spending all this extra time, he now gets between 5m and 14m average per site. that's less than a rally point for God's sake. OH wait, you mean rally points respawn 5 min after completion??? wait, so you mean CCP just wants us to shoot red x's?
Srsly. the people who are responsible for nerf post can spew should be removed from employ with CCP. They have no idea of benefit vs time investment. In fact, I don't think they have ANY relevant ideas.
Prove me wrong, devs! Show us how your mangling of data / relic has benefitted the community as a whole. Show us how hard you're working to fix the massive problems with that portion of the game. |
Nanny State
The Conference Elite CODE.
11
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Posted - 2014.08.25 23:25:00 -
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Shurq'Elalle wrote:Everything about data and relic is a gigantic friggin troll. WTF is wrong with the devs in charge of relic / data? WHY do you think that after dropping loot roughly 75% after getting rid of the F____ loot spew mechanics that it's an acceptable way to make cash in this game? Noob a - learns to fly a vexor and starts ratting in nulsec. within 2 weeks is making 10-15m ticks and, most importantly, DOES NOT PULL HAIR OUT after having his bull____ minigame sodomize him with random number generator CRAP (which no other skill in game has to deal with. skill level 1 performs at x, skill 2, performs at 2x. This does NOT apply with the minigame at all.) Noob b - learns to fly stealth bombers, astrometrics skills to find the sites, hacking and data to do the sites, and relevant ship skills to avoid all pvp while doing them. This requires about 170% more training than ratting does to prepare for scan sites. After 1 month, noob a has generated probably 1-2b in rat money, 400-800m in sellable modules, plus salvage if he does it. After 1 month, noob b has - WAIT - Noob B is still training the f____ skills to be able to hack in nulsec. OK ... cut to 60 days in. noob a - maybe has a few billion now, some backup ratting ships, and is progressing well. noob b - just started to realize that after spending all this extra time, he now gets between 5m and 14m average per site. that's less than a rally point for God's sake. OH wait, you mean rally points respawn 5 min after completion??? wait, so you mean CCP just wants us to shoot red x's? Srsly. the people who are responsible for nerf post can spew should be removed from employ with CCP. They have no idea of benefit vs time investment. In fact, I don't think they have ANY relevant ideas. Prove me wrong, devs! Show us how your mangling of data / relic has benefitted the community as a whole. Show us how hard you're working to fix the massive problems with that portion of the game.
i agree with everything you said, but the rage is funny, +1 |
Tolkaz Khamsi
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2014.08.26 00:09:00 -
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I took my scanning alt out for a hisec relic/data site roam the other day. Four straight hours of doing nothing but running relic and data sites. Total take in four hours: about 20M ISK. And a lot of that came from one relic site -- if it hadn't been for that one lucky drop, my take would have been closer to 10M ISK for four hours of work. (And seriously, CCP - empty cans? Is that just a troll or are you punishing people who fail to fit a cargo scanner?) There are BPCs, but they're lame ones that you can't even give away.
Hisec exploration is now officially a worse-paying and more-boring career than mining. I get better loot and salvage from mission rats. (I'm not kidding - an L1 mission rat actually dropped a Succubus BPC the other day, and I often get meta 4 modules worth more than a million apiece.) The only reason I'm training up my scanning skills is so I can scan down combat sites; I'm ignoring relic and data sites from here on out. They're basically just a big waste of time.
Also: why in God's name is there an Omber and Kernite anomaly spawn in Amarr space? You can warp to any .7 or below belt and mine all the kernite you want. And nobody wants omber. Nobody. Does anybody even bother with those things? |
Stone-Cold Gunther Sabre
Apollo Technologies Inc
3
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Posted - 2014.08.26 13:23:00 -
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Would have agreed about the faction BPC's until the weekend. Got 2 in one data site for augmented hammerhead drones + augmented hobgoblin drones total worth 300M or so. I guess they are becoming a lot rarer but they still exist. Then got another 110M from sansha low sec.
Before then, nothing at all from anywhere (null/low) for a week. I actually made more in hisec finding sites to warm up the skills on the way to null. |
Bayonnefrog
Hedion University Amarr Empire
35
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Posted - 2014.08.26 20:42:00 -
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Tolkaz Khamsi wrote:I took my scanning alt out for a hisec relic/data site roam the other day. Four straight hours of doing nothing but running relic and data sites. Total take in four hours: about 20M ISK. And a lot of that came from one relic site -- if it hadn't been for that one lucky drop, my take would have been closer to 10M ISK for four hours of work. (And seriously, CCP - empty cans? Is that just a troll or are you punishing people who fail to fit a cargo scanner?) There are BPCs, but they're lame ones that you can't even give away.
Hisec exploration is now officially a worse-paying and more-boring career than mining. I get better loot and salvage from mission rats. (I'm not kidding - an L1 mission rat actually dropped a Succubus BPC the other day, and I often get meta 4 modules worth more than a million apiece.) The only reason I'm training up my scanning skills is so I can scan down combat sites; I'm ignoring relic and data sites from here on out. They're basically just a big waste of time.
Also: why in God's name is there an Omber and Kernite anomaly spawn in Amarr space? You can warp to any .7 or below belt and mine all the kernite you want. And nobody wants omber. Nobody. Does anybody even bother with those things?
You need to learn how to explore |
Antillie Sa'Kan
Forging Industries Silent Infinity
628
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Posted - 2014.08.26 20:49:00 -
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Nanny State wrote:Shurq'Elalle wrote:Everything about data and relic is a gigantic friggin troll. WTF is wrong with the devs in charge of relic / data? WHY do you think that after dropping loot roughly 75% after getting rid of the F____ loot spew mechanics that it's an acceptable way to make cash in this game? Noob a - learns to fly a vexor and starts ratting in nulsec. within 2 weeks is making 10-15m ticks and, most importantly, DOES NOT PULL HAIR OUT after having his bull____ minigame sodomize him with random number generator CRAP (which no other skill in game has to deal with. skill level 1 performs at x, skill 2, performs at 2x. This does NOT apply with the minigame at all.) Noob b - learns to fly stealth bombers, astrometrics skills to find the sites, hacking and data to do the sites, and relevant ship skills to avoid all pvp while doing them. This requires about 170% more training than ratting does to prepare for scan sites. After 1 month, noob a has generated probably 1-2b in rat money, 400-800m in sellable modules, plus salvage if he does it. After 1 month, noob b has - WAIT - Noob B is still training the f____ skills to be able to hack in nulsec. OK ... cut to 60 days in. noob a - maybe has a few billion now, some backup ratting ships, and is progressing well. noob b - just started to realize that after spending all this extra time, he now gets between 5m and 14m average per site. that's less than a rally point for God's sake. OH wait, you mean rally points respawn 5 min after completion??? wait, so you mean CCP just wants us to shoot red x's? Srsly. the people who are responsible for nerf post can spew should be removed from employ with CCP. They have no idea of benefit vs time investment. In fact, I don't think they have ANY relevant ideas. Prove me wrong, devs! Show us how your mangling of data / relic has benefitted the community as a whole. Show us how hard you're working to fix the massive problems with that portion of the game. i agree with everything you said, but the rage is funny, +1
Dev troll best troll.
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Czeris
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
119
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Posted - 2014.08.27 17:25:00 -
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Stone-Cold Gunther Sabre wrote:Would have agreed about the faction BPC's until the weekend. Got 2 in one data site for augmented hammerhead drones + augmented hobgoblin drones total worth 300M or so. I guess they are becoming a lot rarer but they still exist. Then got another 110M from sansha low sec.
Before then, nothing at all from anywhere (null/low) for a week. I actually made more in hisec finding sites to warm up the skills on the way to null.
I think we're talking about faction POS module and tower bpcs, but I could be wrong. The other faction bpcs all still drop, just not those ones. CCP took them out of the game years ago without telling anyone in an almost identical fashion (i.e. just removing them from the loot tables). I would be very curious to hear an official word on this. |
Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
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Posted - 2014.08.29 07:40:00 -
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I spend a week in null, angels space, not a single faction drop. I think common BPC are droping less often too. Maybe it's not a bad thing? The rarer they get the more valuable they become. Bacon tastes so much better when it's marinated in vegan tears.-á
I am the night. I'm Bantam. |
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