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progodlegend
Infinite Point
Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2014.08.14 16:32:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote:
Serious question: Do you really see yourself using one of these if the price goes down to 1 bil (before fittings)? Why wouldn't you just use an archon?
Carriers cant roam, cant use gates, cant warp quickly or do any of the other things a subcap can. PotatoOverdose wrote:
Also keep in mind, it won't go below a billion anytime soon. Even going down to a bil is rather extreme as both the astero and the stratios would need to fall in price by about 25-30% as well to make billion isk nestors a viable option for LP/nexus chip conversion.
Give it a few months and if CCPs maths is right it should land around the same price as a vindi.
There's a reason this dude has a fleet concept named after him. Man knows his ****.
To add on to that, carriers also can't fit MJDs. Food for thought. |
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
1912
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Posted - 2014.08.14 18:35:00 -
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progodlegend wrote:baltec1 wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote:
Serious question: Do you really see yourself using one of these if the price goes down to 1 bil (before fittings)? Why wouldn't you just use an archon?
Carriers cant roam, cant use gates, cant warp quickly or do any of the other things a subcap can. PotatoOverdose wrote:
Also keep in mind, it won't go below a billion anytime soon. Even going down to a bil is rather extreme as both the astero and the stratios would need to fall in price by about 25-30% as well to make billion isk nestors a viable option for LP/nexus chip conversion.
Give it a few months and if CCPs maths is right it should land around the same price as a vindi. There's a reason this dude has a fleet concept named after him. Man knows his ****. To add on to that, carriers also can't fit MJDs. Food for thought.
I thought it was because he only flew megas and when cfc made a mega fleet he got the honour of having the concept named after him. Unless he has alts that fly other ships... his exeriance on everything else would be limited.
Though tbh when was the last time one saw a roaming battleship gang? Unless you're talking about titan bridge hot drops... but at that point just use triage carriers as they cost less.
Personally the nestor would gain utility if it could traverse threw a covert ops cyno as thats a thing carriers cant do.
Imo I would design the nestor around "assistance" and drop all damage based rolls. Give it the ability to fit a triage mod... that would give it great utility in areas one does not have a carrier to use. Such as low level wh space high sec and covert drops.
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Pook600
Defiance LLC
0
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Posted - 2014.08.14 19:09:00 -
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Any thought to making Drone Bandwidth 150mhz?
with these changes it is a baby carrier but without the dps. And does anyone really use guns? It's all logi.... |
baltec1
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
12709
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Posted - 2014.08.14 19:40:00 -
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LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:baltec1 wrote:Nevyn Auscent wrote:Bonuses are still meaningless as they don't fit to a theme.
Meaning it has no clear role and will continue to be outplayed in almost every role. Its role is a support battleship for roaming gangs. Sigh...you keep telling everyone that, and not a single roam supported by a nestor ever happened. EVER. Nor will it, even if nestor costs 500mil.
People don't roam with nightmares either, doesn't mean they cant.
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baltec1
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
12709
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Posted - 2014.08.14 19:47:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote:progodlegend wrote:baltec1 wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote:
Serious question: Do you really see yourself using one of these if the price goes down to 1 bil (before fittings)? Why wouldn't you just use an archon?
Carriers cant roam, cant use gates, cant warp quickly or do any of the other things a subcap can. PotatoOverdose wrote:
Also keep in mind, it won't go below a billion anytime soon. Even going down to a bil is rather extreme as both the astero and the stratios would need to fall in price by about 25-30% as well to make billion isk nestors a viable option for LP/nexus chip conversion.
Give it a few months and if CCPs maths is right it should land around the same price as a vindi. There's a reason this dude has a fleet concept named after him. Man knows his ****. To add on to that, carriers also can't fit MJDs. Food for thought. I thought it was because he only flew megas and when cfc made a mega fleet he got the honour of having the concept named after him. Unless he has alts that fly other ships... his exeriance on everything else would be limited. Though tbh when was the last time one saw a roaming battleship gang? Unless you're talking about titan bridge hot drops... but at that point just use triage carriers as they cost less. Personally the nestor would gain utility if it could traverse threw a covert ops cyno as thats a thing carriers cant do. Imo I would design the nestor around "assistance" and drop all damage based rolls. Give it the ability to fit a triage mod... that would give it great utility in areas one does not have a carrier to use. Such as low level wh space high sec and covert drops.
I love my megathrons but I do enjoy pulling crazy stunts in any battleship. I'm kinda like the Q branch of BATs.
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Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction
The Pursuit of Happiness
1554
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Posted - 2014.08.14 20:21:00 -
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progodlegend wrote:baltec1 wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote:
Serious question: Do you really see yourself using one of these if the price goes down to 1 bil (before fittings)? Why wouldn't you just use an archon?
Carriers cant roam, cant use gates, cant warp quickly or do any of the other things a subcap can. PotatoOverdose wrote:
Also keep in mind, it won't go below a billion anytime soon. Even going down to a bil is rather extreme as both the astero and the stratios would need to fall in price by about 25-30% as well to make billion isk nestors a viable option for LP/nexus chip conversion.
Give it a few months and if CCPs maths is right it should land around the same price as a vindi. There's a reason this dude has a fleet concept named after him. Man knows his ****. To add on to that, carriers also can't fit MJDs. Food for thought.
The same group have other doctrine called f#&!@ fleet.. so.. not exactly as if this was a nobel prize.
"If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |
Jack Miton
Isogen 5
3665
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Posted - 2014.08.15 03:40:00 -
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Stop trying to make the nestor a thing, it's never gonna happen in its current role design.
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baltec1
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
12710
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Posted - 2014.08.15 04:32:00 -
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Jack Miton wrote:Stop trying to make the nestor a thing, it's never gonna happen in its current role design.
Not with that attitude. Honestly the negative nancies around here want this ship to fail and will ignore anything that goes against their opinion.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space
The ROC
8819
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Posted - 2014.08.15 04:53:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Jack Miton wrote:Stop trying to make the nestor a thing, it's never gonna happen in its current role design. Not with that attitude. Honestly the negative nancies around here want this ship to fail and will ignore anything that goes against their opinion.
For my part, I dislike it specifically because of it's prohibitive cost. Especially compared to other pirate battleships, it just costs too much for what it does.
This change might help with that, because having a refit bay is a pretty uncommon thing among subcapital ships.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
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James Baboli
Ferrous Infernum
70
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Posted - 2014.08.15 13:02:00 -
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Kagura Nikon wrote:LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:baltec1 wrote:Nevyn Auscent wrote:Bonuses are still meaningless as they don't fit to a theme.
Meaning it has no clear role and will continue to be outplayed in almost every role. Its role is a support battleship for roaming gangs. Sigh...you keep telling everyone that, and not a single roam supported by a nestor ever happened. EVER. Nor will it, even if nestor costs 500mil. It would if it warped fast... but only then.
It does match a battle cruiser for base warp speed. a couple ascendencies and you hit cruiser warp speed without sacrficing anything on the fit itself.
This said, it has several roles which can't all be used at the same time without making most of them meh. Its a lower mass, longer ranged RR domi, for WHs. its a scan ship that doesn't have to refit to run any site type in high/low and can still fit scan mods in the mids. Its a scan ship that can blap any other scan ship out of it's site while still running the site. Its a ship that can tank a ghost site explosion, the rats that spawn afterwards and still carry all the loot and have scan mods fitted. Its a RR platform for incursions and other size limited activities. Its a swiss army knife, but it isn't the absolute best at any of those things. Its about as close as the t3 should be to mastering multiple roles simultaneously, but without the insane customization of those ships.
That crazy bag FC with the silly things on the hull that shouldn't but just did. |
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Baneken
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
297
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Posted - 2014.08.15 14:15:00 -
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Only problem with Nestor in PvP is it's price because everyone and their mother want to kill a BS of a semi low EHP and billion worth of a price tag.
Lowering the price and adding ship maintenance bay should help the issue a bit. |
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
The Dark Space Initiative
Scary Wormhole People
486
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Posted - 2014.08.15 14:21:00 -
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In a C5 or a C6 cataclysmic variable a pair of Nestors can be used to ninja relic cans from sleeper sites.
The RR in a cataclysmic variable is amazing, thats where nestor shines and has something logi cruisers dont - microjump drive.
2 Nestors warp in on a can, enter RR, hack the can, microjump away, warp out. No need to kill sleepers, can be in and out in 30 seconds flat, can go into any site.
BUT, BUT, BUT.
Sleeper webs.Once you land in your nestors, you will be perma-webbed to 20 m/s. So going from can to can is out, you only have 1 can.
Going for talocans, the most expensive can, is not worth it - a talocan is worth 50-60 mil nowadays. Risk 3bil in equipment to go after a 50mil in loot? Well, if there is more then 1 site to hack, if you have the zephyr to bookmark everything, I suppose you could use 1 of the nestors to scan the cans to find additional 50-60mil cans (there is always 1 in every site). You could also probably smartbomb the webbing frigates away...
Maybe.
A tool to do PvE in otherwise ignored cataclysmic variable, where a marauder cant go.
But is it worth it to keep a pair of nestors just for that off-chance that you will roll into a cata and not decide to re-roll the static? Probably not in my case, I prefer red giants and different methods. |
TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
762
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Posted - 2014.08.15 14:52:00 -
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still waiting for ccp to fix npc scrams |
Anna Karhunen
Inoue INEXP
374
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Posted - 2014.08.15 15:01:00 -
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To get the price of Nestor down, you have to significantly increase droprate of those chips (I saw no numbers mentioned in the droprate part). After all, with the LP and build costs Nestor's price from the old route is not going to come too much down. Thus I hope that the droprate is adjusted so much that it can outstrip the LP store route completely (and people build Stratios and Astero instead, with only few nonconformists giving finger to LP efficiency).
As my old maths teacher used to say: "Statistics are like bikinis: It's what they don't show that's interesting".
-CCP Aporia |
Joraa Starkmanir
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
23
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Posted - 2014.08.15 15:07:00 -
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Anna Karhunen wrote:To get the price of Nestor down, you have to significantly increase droprate of those chips (I saw no numbers mentioned in the droprate part). After all, with the LP and build costs Nestor's price from the old route is not going to come too much down. Thus I hope that the droprate is adjusted so much that it can outstrip the LP store route completely (and people build Stratios and Astero instead, with only few nonconformists giving finger to LP efficiency).
CCP Fozzie wrote:increasing the drop rate of the Drone Nexus chips that can be converted to Sisters of EVE ship BPCs quite dramatically.
Looks like they are already on the same track. |
Anna Karhunen
Inoue INEXP
374
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Posted - 2014.08.15 15:20:00 -
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As I said I did not see the numbers, just that note. That line says nothing about how large the droprate adjustment is. Does it cover the number of Nestors produced through LP store or not. So, I posted just to note that they have to make the LP store utterly meaningless if they do want to make the price drop a lot.
As my old maths teacher used to say: "Statistics are like bikinis: It's what they don't show that's interesting".
-CCP Aporia |
James Baboli
Ferrous Infernum
72
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Posted - 2014.08.15 15:30:00 -
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Anna Karhunen wrote:As I said I did not see the numbers, just that note. That line says nothing about how large the droprate adjustment is. Does it cover the number of Nestors produced through LP store or not. So, I posted just to note that they have to make the LP store utterly meaningless if they do want to make the price drop a lot.
It already is for the nestor, as the Nestor is far from the best isk/lp item in the store AND mostly unused by people who mission hard enough to get them through the LP store.
That crazy bag FC with the silly things on the hull that shouldn't but just did. |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
7679
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Posted - 2014.08.15 16:04:00 -
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I apprecatie yall (Rise, Fozzie and the rest) not wanting to screw anything up to bad by makign an overpower battleship.
But c'mon, the Nestor sucks, and that's a shame because some of us were looking forward to playing with an SOE Battleship. So go wild guys, make it good even if that risks making it OP. You're CCP, you know how to come back and nerf things into oblivion if that happens, you've done it every week for the last 11 years  |
Lloyd Roses
Blue-Fire
684
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Posted - 2014.08.15 16:16:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:Secondly, we are adding a new function to the Nestor that fits well with its role as a group support vessel. We are giving the Nestor a 5000m3 Ship Maintenance Bay that will allow friendly ships to refit when they are nearby.
This is the most amazing thing you could have ever done. Given T3s, this just got a nestor a spot in merely ANY wormhole engagement that doesn't have a carrier yet.
Really, +1
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James Baboli
Ferrous Infernum
72
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Posted - 2014.08.15 16:18:00 -
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Lloyd Roses wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:Secondly, we are adding a new function to the Nestor that fits well with its role as a group support vessel. We are giving the Nestor a 5000m3 Ship Maintenance Bay that will allow friendly ships to refit when they are nearby.
This is the most amazing thing you could have ever done. Given T3s, this just got a nestor a spot in merely ANY wormhole engagement that doesn't have a carrier yet. Really, +1
And considering you can bring them into C2+, this is a unique usage of them.
That crazy bag FC with the silly things on the hull that shouldn't but just did. |
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Lloyd Roses
Blue-Fire
684
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Posted - 2014.08.15 16:19:00 -
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James Baboli wrote:Lloyd Roses wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:Secondly, we are adding a new function to the Nestor that fits well with its role as a group support vessel. We are giving the Nestor a 5000m3 Ship Maintenance Bay that will allow friendly ships to refit when they are nearby.
This is the most amazing thing you could have ever done. Given T3s, this just got a nestor a spot in merely ANY wormhole engagement that doesn't have a carrier yet. Really, +1 And considering you can bring them into C2+, this is a unique usage of them.
Not to mention those cloaked guardians that just refit the instant they drop cloak...
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James Baboli
Ferrous Infernum
72
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Posted - 2014.08.15 17:36:00 -
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Lloyd Roses wrote:James Baboli wrote:Lloyd Roses wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:Secondly, we are adding a new function to the Nestor that fits well with its role as a group support vessel. We are giving the Nestor a 5000m3 Ship Maintenance Bay that will allow friendly ships to refit when they are nearby.
This is the most amazing thing you could have ever done. Given T3s, this just got a nestor a spot in merely ANY wormhole engagement that doesn't have a carrier yet. Really, +1 And considering you can bring them into C2+, this is a unique usage of them. Not to mention those cloaked guardians that just refit the instant they drop cloak...
And every domi is now both a spider domi and a blaster domi until one or the other is needed on every ship, and everyone has fully committed.
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slam34
Defiance LLC
10
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Posted - 2014.08.15 17:40:00 -
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New "service bay" is a great idea, and I'm not sure the size is all that bad. Storing modules for refitting fleet ships shouldn't take all that much room. It's a battleship hull. It shouldn't be able to store another fleet inside itself. This, plus adding a bit to drone bandwith could really make this ship shine without bloating it up into already needing a nerf. A support ship should make OTHER ships look good, after all. I'm sure some nullsec powerhouse will eventually dream up a very nasty pvp version. Until then we will be experimenting with our fits.
And....if the Nestor is never going to be a jump capable ship, maybe you could think about giving black ops battleships a fleet fitting bay........oh the possibilities.....
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Irya Boone
Never Surrender.
371
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Posted - 2014.08.15 17:58:00 -
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Don't understand why dev are so stubborn ..
put the covert ops cloak on the ship already , give the ship the jump drive for god sake and give the remote rep some serious bonus
Anyway you 'll see with the carppy tweaks no one will use this ships like these days
RENAME WH systems With the name of REAL Universe Stellar Name like KOI-730 etc etc It will be awesome.
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baltec1
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
12711
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Posted - 2014.08.15 18:26:00 -
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Irya Boone wrote:Don't understand why dev are so stubborn ..
put the covert ops cloak on the ship already , give the ship the jump drive for god sake and give the remote rep some serious bonus
Anyway you 'll see with the carppy tweaks no one will use this ships like these days
You are not getting a cov ops battleship.
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Joraa Starkmanir
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
23
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Posted - 2014.08.15 18:39:00 -
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Irya Boone wrote:Don't understand why dev are so stubborn ..
put the covert ops cloak on the ship already , give the ship the jump drive for god sake and give the remote rep some serious bonus
Anyway you 'll see with the carppy tweaks no one will use this ships like these days
Give it 8/8/8 slots while your at it, and ofc stronger gun/drone bonuses.
Or leave it w/o cov ops cloak so you dont have to nerf it back to the stone age |
Hakaari Inkuran
State War Academy
Caldari State
189
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Posted - 2014.08.15 20:41:00 -
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Joraa Starkmanir wrote:Irya Boone wrote:Don't understand why dev are so stubborn ..
put the covert ops cloak on the ship already , give the ship the jump drive for god sake and give the remote rep some serious bonus
Anyway you 'll see with the carppy tweaks no one will use this ships like these days Give it 8/8/8 slots while your at it, and ofc stronger gun/drone bonuses. Or leave it w/o cov ops cloak so you dont have to nerf it back to the stone age
Im fine with nerfing it and giving it a covops cloak. At least then ONE of the SoE ships will actually have something unique going for it. Remember how pirate ships are supposed to have some bonus that doesn't exist anywhere else? |
SFM Hobb3s
Wrecking Shots
Black Legion.
109
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Posted - 2014.08.15 20:59:00 -
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Screw the covops, just the jump drive or GTFO. |
Joraa Starkmanir
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
23
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Posted - 2014.08.15 21:22:00 -
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Hakaari Inkuran wrote:
Im fine with nerfing it and giving it a covops cloak. At least then ONE of the SoE ships will actually have something unique going for it. Remember how pirate ships are supposed to have some bonus that doesn't exist anywhere else?
Remember how SoE is not a pirate faction, and these ships are available in high sec?
Ship Maintenance Bay is also kinda unique in high sec (only orca have it), its also the only exploration battleship, the remote rep bonus is also just shared with minmatar carrier/supercarrier (37.5% instead of 50% tho) |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation
Goonswarm Federation
11080
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Posted - 2014.08.15 21:54:00 -
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Are you even trying, CCP?
The Nestor is still going to be a piece of ****. You tried to do too much with it, including shoehorning it into roles that don't make sense (exploration).
No, this isn't it at all. Make it more... psssshhhh. |
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