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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
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Posted - 2014.08.11 17:22:00 -
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http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/coming-in-hyperion-on-august-26th/
Quote:A new kind of Level 4 missions Take on a single, powerful enemy using fitting skills and combat tactics in new optional level 4 missions for frigate size ships that will be available from all security agents in Empire space. An upcoming dev blog will present the new missions.
hmmmmm, interesting, i think lol. |
Hakaari Inkuran
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.08.11 17:37:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/coming-in-hyperion-on-august-26th/ Quote:A new kind of Level 4 missions Take on a single, powerful enemy using fitting skills and combat tactics in new optional level 4 missions for frigate size ships that will be available from all security agents in Empire space. An upcoming dev blog will present the new missions. hmmmmm, interesting, i think lol. Oh crud, better start training small ships again. |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
7613
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Posted - 2014.08.11 17:43:00 -
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Hakaari Inkuran wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/coming-in-hyperion-on-august-26th/ Quote:A new kind of Level 4 missions Take on a single, powerful enemy using fitting skills and combat tactics in new optional level 4 missions for frigate size ships that will be available from all security agents in Empire space. An upcoming dev blog will present the new missions. hmmmmm, interesting, i think lol. Oh crud, better start training small ships again.
If you are smart, you've invest in some Worm BPCs lol.
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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1090
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Posted - 2014.08.11 18:02:00 -
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What's the odds you need a frigate cos they are in null and you will need an intie to survive :D |
Antillie Sa'Kan
Forging Industries Silent Infinity
587
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Posted - 2014.08.11 19:30:00 -
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I've always wanted to run L4's in an AF without feeling like I was gimping myself. Woot! |
Skyler Hawk
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.08.11 20:13:00 -
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Hasikan Miallok wrote:What's the odds you need a frigate cos they are in null and you will need an intie to survive :D
Quote:new optional level 4 missions for frigate size ships that will be available from all security agents in Empire space |
Ghaustyl Kathix
Rising Thunder
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Posted - 2014.08.11 21:20:00 -
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Darn, I was hoping the mission changes they talked about involved rebalancing mission rewards, because the reprocessing nerf hit mission runners pretty hard. I hope this is still the case.
That said, I do like the idea of this. Gives people who went whole hog into frigates the ability to run level 4 missions. |
Antillie Sa'Kan
Forging Industries Silent Infinity
589
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Posted - 2014.08.11 21:41:00 -
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Ghaustyl Kathix wrote:Darn, I was hoping the mission changes they talked about involved rebalancing mission rewards, because the reprocessing nerf hit mission runners pretty hard. I hope this is still the case. Missions should not be a viable source of minerals. Missions should be a way to get ISK, LP, and to a lesser extent, T1 salvage.
If anything mission ISK rewards need to be reduced and LP rewards increased to compensate. The bounties on hisec mission rats could stand to be reduced a bit as well. |
Ghaustyl Kathix
Rising Thunder
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Posted - 2014.08.11 23:18:00 -
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Antillie Sa'Kan wrote:Missions should not be a viable source of minerals. Missions should be a way to get ISK, LP, and to a lesser extent, T1 salvage. I agree with that goal, but the penalty for missioners hit pretty hard and there hasn't been any change to compensate for that. To be clear, I'm not talking about reprocessing the junk and selling the minerals; I mean selling mission loot itself gets you far less money than it used to because of this. |
Malcolm Faust
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.08.12 00:22:00 -
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Even for pirates a hi-sec mission alt is a way to make a little extra isk on the side. I like more variety and even something more challenging in missions. |
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stoicfaux
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Posted - 2014.08.12 00:27:00 -
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In before Dinsdale accuses CCP of pandering to players with high sec suicide ganking -10 alts.
WASABI: Warp Acceleration System Ancillary Boost Injected(Gäó)
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2014.08.12 01:09:00 -
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20million is says hes done it somewhere els already =][= |
Sabriz Adoudel
Mission BLITZ
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Posted - 2014.08.12 03:57:00 -
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Ghaustyl Kathix wrote:Antillie Sa'Kan wrote:Missions should not be a viable source of minerals. Missions should be a way to get ISK, LP, and to a lesser extent, T1 salvage. I agree with that goal, but the penalty for missioners hit pretty hard and there hasn't been any change to compensate for that. To be clear, I'm not talking about reprocessing the junk and selling the minerals; I mean selling mission loot itself gets you far less money than it used to because of this.
Mission loot hasn't gone down - the good stuff has gone up in value, the junk has gone down.
You lose a little on lower values for meta armor plates, you gain on warp scramblers and other such things.
Meta 4 damage controls went up from 6m to 11m as a direct result of this change, meta 4 scrams from 2600k to 3100k, and various other things have gone up a fair bit too.
You might be worse off if you used to take *everything* and still do, but if you cherrypick medium and high value drops and ignore the rest, you should be at worst slightly worse off and possibly better off. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=346564 - a proposal to overhaul the Logistics skill https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. www.minerbumping.com - ganking miners and causing chaos |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
1168
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Posted - 2014.08.12 04:04:00 -
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Im sure it will be nothing short of amazing.
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Carniflex
StarHunt Mordus Angels
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Posted - 2014.08.12 11:04:00 -
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What is the highest dps frigate that can be bought from the market (i.e., not a tournament reward). A stealth bomber can be dragged out to ~600 dps I think but it's kind of wet paper towel. And is only good if you need to kill something reasonable large.
AF's cap at ~400 dps? Anything else to look at ? Here, sanity... niiiice sanity, come to daddy... okay, that's a good sanity... *THWONK!* GOT the bastard. |
Jori McKie
Friends Of Harassment The Camel Empire
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Posted - 2014.08.12 14:53:00 -
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Depending on what frigs are allowed into it. With all V + 2x damage mods + 1x T2 damage rig + 5% imps With Kin/Therm Damage Enyo 457 DPS with Void, 522 DPS with Void hot for ~1min
Daredevil 437 DPS with Void, 503 DPS with Void hot for ~2min
Harpy 364 DPS with Void, 419 DPS with Void hot for ~1min
Worm 333 DPS with Hobs+Rocket+T2 ammo, 351 DPS with Void hot for ~1:30min
Fed Comet 311 DPS with Void, 351 DPS with Void hot for ~2min
Then all other Assault Frigs, Wolf should be the best one with free damage type. Wolf 298 DPS with Faction ammo, 343 DPS with Faction ammo hot for ~1min
Hawk 299 DPS with Rockets+Scourge+T2 ammo 352 DPS with Rockets+Scourge+T2 ammo hot for ~1min
Depending on the incoming DPS you can try a shield Enyo with 3x Damage mods or a Harpy with 3x Damage mods, Harpy with the obvious better shield tank. Enyo 498 DPS with Void, 569 DPS with Void hot for ~1min
Harpy 399 DPS with Void, 458 DPS with Void hot for ~1min |
Altirius Saldiaro
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.08.12 16:00:00 -
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I assume it will be PVE with PVP fits. Payout will be on par with current lvl 4s. Risk will be high. The one enemy can and will try to kill you. Ewar will be used. They will warp out if dont tackle them.
High bounty High difficulty High risk
I hope the try to attack your pod if you lose.
I also hope the new missions scale up in payout and difficulty the more fleet members active inside the mission. |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.08.12 16:13:00 -
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my main concern with this idea is the viability of all the ships mentioned above. i want to believe that CCP managed to design the encounters in a way that does not clearly favor one or two hulls over the rest, but looking at their track record, and how diverse the strengths of the aforementioned hulls are, i have to be pessimistic.
not looking a gift horse in the mouth though, the more content the better, even if it ends up being ishkur or GTFO.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |
Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
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Posted - 2014.08.12 16:19:00 -
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I hope at least those rats will have proper fits not like pants-on-head machariels with cruise missiles. Eve Online Overview Wizard: Forum thread Homepage
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Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
2126
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Posted - 2014.08.12 16:34:00 -
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Schmata Bastanold wrote:I hope at least those rats will have proper fits not like pants-on-head machariels with cruise missiles. are the pants part of the fit? where can i buy some head pants?
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |
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Altirius Saldiaro
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.08.12 17:04:00 -
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I highly doubt these missions will favor any cookie cutter fit. I have a strong feeling these missions will have a lot of randomization. Being frig sized PVE lvl 4s, you can and should expect to lose ships. If you think this will be 1 or 2 ships dominate all missions, you're gonna be in for a rude awakening. |
Owen Levanth
Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration
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Posted - 2014.08.12 17:43:00 -
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Ghaustyl Kathix wrote:Darn, I was hoping the mission changes they talked about involved rebalancing mission rewards, because the reprocessing nerf hit mission runners pretty hard. I hope this is still the case.
That said, I do like the idea of this. Gives people who went whole hog into frigates the ability to run level 4 missions.
Yeah, it's kind of aggravating right now. Frigates are possible up to level 3, but even then some missons turn into a stupid grind because of so many high-HP enemies. Most level 3-4 missions aren't even that dangerous, thanks to frigs being fast and having a small sig, but trying to grind down dozens of battleships turns unfun fast.
I really hope the new missions makes it possible to pull my old Assault Frigs out for a few rounds.
And next: New level 4 missions for cruisers? Please, CCP? |
Carniflex
StarHunt Mordus Angels
282
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Posted - 2014.08.12 17:55:00 -
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I expect these new L4 missions to be somewhat similar to the FW missions. Ie., involve longish travel distances, possibly trying to send you into low sec and offering approx the same rewards as current L4 missions.
But I am just being slightly pessimistic.
It will be indeed quite tricky to balance them reasonably but we'll see. With the L4 LP payout algorithm being as it is if these end up easily blitzable the LP payouts will drop pretty low.
E-War on NPC's is a bit annoying. You would end up with a situation like in FW where it's lol to do stuff against amarr themed things because tracking disruption is meaningless against stealth bombers while painters hurt like hell if you go up against minmatar themed FW opponents. Here, sanity... niiiice sanity, come to daddy... okay, that's a good sanity... *THWONK!* GOT the bastard. |
Jori McKie
Friends Of Harassment The Camel Empire
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Posted - 2014.08.12 17:56:00 -
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Altirius Saldiaro wrote:I highly doubt these missions will favor any cookie cutter fit. I have a strong feeling these missions will have a lot of randomization. Being frig sized PVE lvl 4s, you can and should expect to lose ships. If you think this will be 1 or 2 ships dominate all missions, you're gonna be in for a rude awakening.
If Assault Frigs are allowed, Enyo or Harpy will rule them all depending on the NPCs DPS/tank ratio, except the NPC has specific high Therm/Kin resistances or is a super kiter with 6k m/s. I all other circumstances even with the AI having a super active tank nothing matches the DPS from a pimped Enyo or the Harpy DPS/tank ratio. I used the Enyo in lowsec PvP, solo can be tricky but with one mate having some RR on you, i killed Cynabals, Vexxors and multipe Assault Frigs at once with it. The point is with small guns the DPS is for real and having 450 DPS on a lowsec PvP fit, that hurts.
In other words, NPC DPS not high > Enyo NPC DPS high > Harpy NPC DPS really high > Hawk
Of course in case you use Blaster you should know how to use scram+web and get your transversaal to zero.
Edit: E-war on NPCs can be tricky, TD can really hurt turret setups, and ECM, well lets not start with ECM in a 1v1. Anyway nasty racial E-war can change things, especially TD. In that case, well Missile and Drone ships will rule that segment. |
Estella Osoka
Deep Void Merc Syndicate
449
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Posted - 2014.08.12 19:29:00 -
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Sell your meta 4 mission loot at a lowsec hub. You'll get better returns, but may take longer to sell. PvPers hate having to run up to highsec to get fittings.
Some good systems to sell your loot: Vlilirier, Nisuwa, Nennamaila.
I'm sure there are others. |
Paranoid Loyd
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Posted - 2014.08.13 07:24:00 -
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Since we are all pretty much wildly guessing, I would venture to say that these missions will require teamwork. The rat will be strong enough that you will not be able to kill it with any single frig but will require multiple frigs to take down. The DPS may even be high enough that logi will be required as it will not be possible to tank the rats in a frig. "PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite |
Carniflex
StarHunt Mordus Angels
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Posted - 2014.08.13 08:50:00 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:Since we are all pretty much wildly guessing, I would venture to say that these missions will require teamwork. The rat will be strong enough that you will not be able to kill it with any single frig but will require multiple frigs to take down. The DPS may even be high enough that logi will be required as it will not be possible to tank the rats in a frig.
Anything able to pop a AF will pop the T1 logi frigs faster than you say "oh f...". If you allow cruisers in there then these will be done in cruisers.
Teamwork can be replaced by alts. And someone will sooner or later throw 30 bombers at it using ISBoxer and will one volley the target ;)
So I'm looking forward to see what kind of rabbit is CCP pulling out of their hat. It is theoretically possible that they might have something interesting in their sleeve. Something requiring manual piloting, overheating and teaching the newbs all the right skills for properly flying a frigate and at the same time greatly reducing effectivity of just dropping 5 alts in there. Ofc it's equally possible that they just slap overly excessive amount of e-war in it to "encourage teamwork", i.e., make it impossible to do it solo.
Here, sanity... niiiice sanity, come to daddy... okay, that's a good sanity... *THWONK!* GOT the bastard. |
S'Way
Bitter Vets
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Posted - 2014.08.13 08:55:00 -
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Quote:that will be available from all security agents in Empire space. Just empire space ? My guess is if that's the case they'll all be missions against other empire factions. (so not something for those of us balancing standings with all main empires).
Also given the ship size for these it would be nice if they could add them for pirate faction agents in null too. |
Carniflex
StarHunt Mordus Angels
283
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Posted - 2014.08.13 09:15:00 -
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S'Way wrote:Quote:that will be available from all security agents in Empire space. Just empire space ? My guess is if that's the case they'll all be missions against other empire factions. (so not something for those of us balancing standings with all main empires). Given the ship size for these it would be nice if they could add them for pirate faction agents in null too.
That would certainly be interesting development if these would be also available in low sec / null sec. I would see these be quite popular in particular in low sec, depending on how they would be implemented.
Currently it is frankly just not quite worth it to run the regular L4 missions in low sec. The LP is the same you can get from FW and FW mission farming is far more lucrative in low sec atm. If they would be available in low sec and doable in frigates some people might go for it over FW as regular missions do not broadcast a beacon and do not nuke your opposing faction standings (unless it's against an opposing empire faction ofc). Here, sanity... niiiice sanity, come to daddy... okay, that's a good sanity... *THWONK!* GOT the bastard. |
Illegal Fan
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.08.13 11:09:00 -
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Sounds like a chance to get blown up by npcs using 40m frigate t2 frig fits to play tackler in staged npc fleet vs fleet battles, all for poor payouts on missions that will be tough/impossible to blitz.
But potentially fun |
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