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Trac3rt
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.17 15:44:00 -
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Edited by: Trac3rt on 17/07/2006 15:51:02 The Journey -----------
Starting from S-U8A4, my journey took me around 30 jumps through the Syndicate, Solitude, and Aridia regions. Syndicate is my home region, and I managed to get through that easily enough. The journey through Solitude and Aridia was entirely lowsec, with no fear of warp bubbles, interdictors or instalocking inties at the gates I doubt anything could have caught me if they tried. The only other ship I saw in space on that part of the journey was a shuttle going in the other direction.
The last few jumps were a little trickier, from Tisot there were ships in space in Sakht and 1-S. Since this was a covert mission, I didn't want to be spotted if it could be avoided, so I logged for the night.
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The next day, the coast was clear to ZA9, my first destination.
Delve -----
The next morning, the ships in space filter showed me nobody in space in the four jumps to ZA9 (-0.8 Truesec), I made the trip quickly but contrary to the map there was a BoB member in local. I hoped that they were not paying attention to local and promptly left the system.
At this point I was stuck... The map showed large amounts of people logged on in the systems en-route to my backup ratting locations. Not wanting to take the risk I logged for an hour or two until US primetime was properly over (I am a Euro in case anyone was confused).
Logging back in, a path was clear to my second choice of ratting system: 8RQJ (-0.60 Truesec). Just one system with a single person in it in my way. I took the risk and went straight through, turns out there was a BoB outpost in the system (39P) which I was unaware of, making my destination a little less 'off the beaten track' than I would like. I don't think the guy in local even noticed me passing through.
Reaching my destination, the system has a 6/10 complex in it. Damn! This means that people will come here to farm it. That wouldn't be until downtime, so I decide to get setup.
First thing first is security. I create a safespot, and an insta from the safespot to the exit gate. I also create a bookmark 200KM from the exit gate, and another BM that would insta me from that spot to the gate. Just in case I need to get the hell out in a hurry.
TO BUSINESS -----------
Now it is time to start making the money! My Balance is 34 Million ISK, to reach my third objective and break even I need to get it to 79Million.
The rats here are very nice, and I have over a dozen belts to myself in which to rat.
http://img370.imageshack.us/my.php?image=20060717095333fg9.png The only problem I had were the crucifier rats who drop my optimal down to 950m. I just skipped those spawns... far too much hassle.
I got a solid hour of ratting in before downtime hit. I decided to wait a couple of extra hours before logging in so that anyone wanting to run the complex could do so without noticing me. I used an ALT account to check the number of people in the system on the map before logging back in.
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Trac3rt
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.17 15:44:00 -
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Edited by: Trac3rt on 17/07/2006 15:49:26 I see a lot of whining and complaints on the forums about how lowsec and 0.0 are impossible to get into, that you die every time you head out there. Well having lived in Syndicate since the week I started playing Eve, I really wanted to prove you guys wrong. It is possible for individuals to head into 0.0 and make money, even if you are not part of a big corp or alliance.
I fly Amarr ships and always felt short-changed when it comes to PvE, we cannot alter our damage types and have a hell of a time ratting because almost every NPC tanks either EM or Thermal. The only types of Rat that we are really effective against are Blood and Sansha rats.
These rats are in the south, Blood rats are all in BoB regions (Delve/Period Basis/Querious), and Sansha rats are mainly in ASCN space (and I think Curse).
Not to be put off by this, I decided to mount an expedition. To spend a week in Delve and rat those Blood Raider rats I so trongly desire in a 0.0 region with a decent true security status. Delve is BoB space, an alliance many consider to be the biggest superpower in Eve. I am not blue to them, they will shoot at me anywhere in Eve, and would probably hunt me down in their space if caught. I would consider living in their space on my own a suitable enough challenge for this task.
Objectives ----------
- To get myself into Delve. - To find a system with -0.5 truesec or lower to rat in - To make more money than it takes to set-up the expedition
Equipment ---------
Since I am planning on heading into hostile space, I wanted a ship that was small/fast enough to run when in trouble, yet packing enough DPS to be able to rat at a decent speed. For this reason I picked the Retribution. Since I would be operating out of a safespot for the duration, Amarr are the best race for this sort of trip because they don't need ammo, also if I wasn't planning on flying an Amarr ship the who trip would be pointless anyways.
- Retibution + Fittings (30Mil approximately) - Delve Instas (14Mil) - Aridia Instas (Free)
Total: 45Mil
I bought the Delve instas from a reputable seller in-game, and a post on the Goonfleet forums found me a corpmate who would give me Aridia instas for a copy of my Delve instas.
I bought the Retribution hull from Naga for 12.5 Mil, and the fittings are: 4x Medium Pulse II (MultiFreq S/Microwave S) 1x Afterburner II 1x Small Armor Rep II 1x Capacitor Power Relay 1x Thermic Plate 2x Heat Sink II
I named her Sheila! http://img113.imageshack.us/my.php?image=20060716163215ty9.png
The Destination ---------------
First I studied the 2D Eve-Maps from Ombeve (http://www.ombeve.co.uk/) to pick a destination. I wanted a system which was off of the beaten track, somewhere I could hopefully rat without any locals passing through an noticing me.
I picked out a number of systems, and then used the "people in space in the last 30 minutes" filter to see which systems were frequently visited, and which appeared to be empty more often than not. I checked the systems and the route at differant times of the day for about a week.
There were four or five systems I identified that could be prime targets.
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Trac3rt
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.17 15:45:00 -
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Edited by: Trac3rt on 17/07/2006 15:52:46 A PREMATURE END ---------------
Sadly, on logging back in. Everything came crashing down around me. Trying to take on a dual 1.55Mil spawn the second battleship got out to 50KM. I tried to approach, but my transversal wasn't enough and it could hit me when I tried to approach. I though I could tank long enough to get under its guns, I was wrong and by the time i realised it it was just too late. A second or two more and I would have warped out, but thats the way things go sometimes. I also forgot to insure my ship, but being an AF it wouldn't have made much of a differance.
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Final Balance: 45.5 Million. Ratting Profit: 12.5 Million Overall Differnace: -31.5 Million.
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CONCLUSION ----------
A total loss of 31.5 Million. Not the end of the world, easy come easy go.
12.5 Million ratting profit for maybe 75Mins worth of ratting isn't bad. It works out to 10 Million an hour, and cosidering I was in an AF which is not the fastest ratting ship, I am quite happy with the result. A few more hours there and I could have made back my investment easily. Sadly I died because of my own inexperiance dealing with the rats. I was planning on ratting on the Test server for a while to get to know what works and what doesn't, but I couldn't access the test server to try.
At the end of the day, I completed 2/3 of my objectives. I can now say I have ratted Blood Raiders in Delve, and I have ticked off one of my overall objectives in Eve. Will I try it again? Maybe, but not any time soon. There are plenty of other things that I want to do in Eve and I want to move on.
Eve is a game where if you want something you have to go out there and get it. You have to be proactive with your goals otherwise they will never be acheived. There are too many people here who just expect everything to be handed to them on a platter. Hopefully this will help encourage people to acheive their goals in this game, and perhaps inspire some people to try and leave the newbie space known as empire.
DISCLAIMER: Considering that there was a small chance the Directorate and CEO of my corp would disallow me from undertaking this project in case of "BoB retibution" or some other nonsense, I didn't ask them. The most they know is that I requested a set of Aridia instas. The actions I took were mine and mine alone.
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Tao Han
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.17 15:50:00 -
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*Applauds
But a tragic end, poor retri
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.17 15:51:00 -
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Ironic that in your trip to a "dangerous, alliance claimed region" your eventual end came to you from an NPC
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Trac3rt
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.17 15:54:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari Ironic that in your trip to a "dangerous, alliance claimed region" your eventual end came to you from an NPC
I completely agree. My paranoia that everyone and everything was gong to kill me kept me alive, and my overconfidence in my ratting abilities is what led to my demise. |
Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.17 15:56:00 -
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Good story, i liked it. I really need to do stuff like that myself sometimes too.
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CB Cyrix
GeoTech
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Posted - 2006.07.17 15:56:00 -
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NICE!
Shame you died.
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Infinity Ziona
The First Noble Truth
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Posted - 2006.07.17 15:59:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari Ironic that in your trip to a "dangerous, alliance claimed region" your eventual end came to you from an NPC
Thats only because she was unable to take a reasonably powerful ratting ship into the region in the first place.
I think it actually shows the opposite of what the poster was trying to accomplish.
Mission: Failed.
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Na'Thuul
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.17 16:01:00 -
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BoB are cuddly... I've been ratting and running missions in Delve for a while (with no instas I might add :p)
Some basic tips that can come in handy:
- Draw as little attention as possible. - Never engage others. If you kill a member of the resident alliance, you can be damn sure they will blob you until you're dead. (Especially BoB) - Avoid primetime. - Fly something small and disposable. The resident alliance is a lot more likely to take interrest in a Vindicator than an Enyo.
In short, try to pose as little a threat as possible, while still making it obvious you are not an alt-spy. Provided your corp/alliance is not at war/hostile with the locals, chances are good they simply will ignore you. ---
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.17 16:02:00 -
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Originally by: Infinity Ziona
Thats only because she was unable to take a reasonably powerful ratting ship into the region in the first place.
I think it actually shows the opposite of what the poster was trying to accomplish.
Mission: Failed.
No... he got there without dying from other players. That was the whole point.. to show people its possible to travel there if you are careful and plan ahead.
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Splagada
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.17 16:03:00 -
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i enjoyed the reading =) you write well ! -
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Raid
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.17 16:04:00 -
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Very good story. Thats teh outcome i expected though.. cant rat in an AF and get away with it for too long. T0.0 space is wide open. You just need to get around the choke points and your home free. Next time get your battleship in there. Fit a cloaking device and as soon as someone jumps into local you hit the safe and cloak. If the system is way off the trail theres little to no chance anyone will ever be able to stop you.
I know of guys who lived in 0.0 space solo for years and made billions. Its all about bring smart and being alert.
best regions to hide in are probably Stain, Venal and Curse. Simply because of the number of NPC stations in there. Best overall region in terms of reginal defence and easy rats is hand down stain. Sansha rats are a joke! Have at it.
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Aramendel
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Posted - 2006.07.17 16:09:00 -
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Originally by: Infinity Ziona I think it actually shows the opposite of what the poster was trying to accomplish.
Unwilling, not unable. From what she writes it seems to me that she could as well brought a BS there, no hostile contact at any gates.
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Trac3rt
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.17 16:09:00 -
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Originally by: Infinity Ziona Thats only because she was unable to take a reasonably powerful ratting ship into the region in the first place.
I think it actually shows the opposite of what the poster was trying to accomplish.
Mission: Failed.
I believe that the Retri is a reasonably good ratting ship. Sure it doesn't have the DPS to rat quicky, and relies on a small sig and transversal to never get hit, but it has enough DPS to rat 10Mil an hour and is small and manuverable enough to quickly move through hostile space.
If you look at the last image showing my wallet. It took 4 minutes to close the 30KM to the 1.55 Mil BS rat and kill it. It may not be the fastest ratting machine out there, but is quite reliable if you know what you are doing (which I obviously didn't).
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Rovol
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.17 16:17:00 -
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10/10 for effort
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Infinity Ziona
The First Noble Truth
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Posted - 2006.07.17 16:27:00 -
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Originally by: Aramendel
Originally by: Infinity Ziona I think it actually shows the opposite of what the poster was trying to accomplish.
Unwilling, not unable. From what she writes it seems to me that she could as well brought a BS there, no hostile contact at any gates.
A bubble or a sphere and your toasted. Yeah you can use alt scouts but my personal preference is not to meta game since I play EvE to relax, not to stress myself out juggling multiple accounts.
10 million an hour is pretty poor isk. You can make 3 to 4 times that in low sec and about 2 times that in high sec (ignoring WC mission farming).
The fun aspect is there but for anyone not interested in fun but rather making ISK, joining an alliance or doing missions or mining in low to high sec is a better option then trying to chip away at a big 0.0 spawn.
Besides, in BoB space, your likely to find Draclira or another developer spawned officer and how fecked would it feel to be sitting there in a assault frig unable to do squat to it (sarcasm but half truth).
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Rexthor Hammerfists
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.07.17 16:35:00 -
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nicely writeen, and a good idea.
its not hard o survive i 0.0, once ur in yourratting sytem the traveling to an from makes it hard - thats hy laser ships that ont use ammo ar bst suitetd for it, ad a af doesnt atract much attention ;).
should b more pl doin this, and ur all welcom in delve - just b sure that ull b shot on sight . - Purple Conquered The World, We the Universe.
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Tao Han
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.17 16:49:00 -
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Originally by: CB Cyrix NICE!
Shame you died.
nice sig
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.17 16:58:00 -
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Originally by: Trac3rt I believe that the Retri is a reasonably good ratting ship.
It is. A corpmate of mine started ratting with not nearly enough ISK to buy a BS to rat with, and so instead used his Retribution. While he killed the battleships slowly, he could tank as many as he wanted (as long as he killed all the cruisers and frigates). He would chain spawns by finding a 3 BS spawn and leaving one BS alive.
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Murukan
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.17 17:02:00 -
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is rexthor drunk?
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Blacklight
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.07.17 17:02:00 -
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I had better consult the "BoB Guide To Making War On The Universe" Chapter 5 Section 9.14 - retribution against alliances whose members attempt to rat in your space using an Assault Frigate (sections 9.1 to 9.15 deal with different ship types, although they all have the same set of actions, overly bureaucratic or what?!).
Looks like retribution has to be visited upon you and anyone you know who likes the colour blue, doesn't eat Celery and was born on a Monday in March. Prepare for our fleets to descend on your tresspassing self and your blue loving, celery avoiding mates!
Nice tale, a refreshing change to the whining rowlocks about 0.0 space we usually get in this section of the forum!
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Ras Blumin
Atomic Battle Penguins
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Posted - 2006.07.17 17:05:00 -
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I enjoyed reading your story :) Originally by: Trac3rt I also create a bookmark 200KM from the exit gate, and another BM that would insta me from that spot to the gate. Just in case I need to get the hell out in a hurry.
You can't warp to "freespace" bm's in the same grid, so you'd need one 1k or so from the gate for it to work. Just fyi.
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Trac3rt
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.17 17:13:00 -
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Originally by: Ras Blumin I enjoyed reading your story :) Originally by: Trac3rt I also create a bookmark 200KM from the exit gate, and another BM that would insta me from that spot to the gate. Just in case I need to get the hell out in a hurry.
You can't warp to "freespace" bm's in the same grid, so you'd need one 1k or so from the gate for it to work. Just fyi.
Yes you can.
Sometimes it works, other times it doesn't, it can be a little random but if you try and warp to a bookmark on the same grid, selecting approach will actually warp you to the BM.
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Aramendel
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Posted - 2006.07.17 17:16:00 -
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Originally by: Infinity Ziona A bubble or a sphere and your toasted.
Obviously. But if you think you are that much more likely to survive that in an AF you are kidding yourself.
Point is the OP was using good timing and research to avoid bubble camps. And as result did not encounter any.Ergo could as well moved an BS in there.
Going into "hostile" 0.0 is essentially a gamble (unless you are in a MWD inty, a stababound or a force recon). You might make it through the choke points or you might not. Turning your brain on and using the map to show active pilots, jumps, etc and timing your travel outside the rush hours will effect the roll to your favour.
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Roland 99
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.17 17:24:00 -
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Very nice story, very well written. DO be careful though, the unifying motto in Aridia, fountain and delve is " If it isn't blue, then it's goo" There is some very nice ratting in Fountain but move out towards the outer ring side of it as the aridia side is busy and neutrals are fired upon regurarly. All the rats there are serpentis they shoot kinetic and mad thermal and are weakest against kinetic.
Lotta juicy Crokite rocks out there too ^_^ _______ My pod is filled with beer. Dont make me spring a leak
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.17 17:26:00 -
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Originally by: Roland 99 Very nice story, very well written. DO be careful though, the unifying motto in Aridia, fountain and delve is " If it isn't blue, then it's goo"
And Querious... and Catch... and Stain... and Omist... and Providence... and Feythabolis...
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Brazzahrn Stroh
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.07.17 17:27:00 -
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Very well written Trac3rt, was a pleasure to read. I agree it's easy to npc in claimed space, since the regions in Eve are far too large for a single alliance to watch over around the clock. I've been into Delve my self and though it was before the BoB era of Eve that we are currently in, I was able to NPC in 1-S for example. Got blobbed a couple of times but if you know how to handle the scanner and keep an eye on local at all times it's never a real problem if you get detected.
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Trac3rt
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.17 17:28:00 -
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Originally by: Infinity Ziona
Originally by: Aramendel
Originally by: Infinity Ziona I think it actually shows the opposite of what the poster was trying to accomplish.
Unwilling, not unable. From what she writes it seems to me that she could as well brought a BS there, no hostile contact at any gates.
A bubble or a sphere and your toasted. Yeah you can use alt scouts but my personal preference is not to meta game since I play EvE to relax, not to stress myself out juggling multiple accounts.
10 million an hour is pretty poor isk. You can make 3 to 4 times that in low sec and about 2 times that in high sec (ignoring WC mission farming).
The fun aspect is there but for anyone not interested in fun but rather making ISK, joining an alliance or doing missions or mining in low to high sec is a better option then trying to chip away at a big 0.0 spawn.
Besides, in BoB space, your likely to find Draclira or another developer spawned officer and how fecked would it feel to be sitting there in a assault frig unable to do squat to it (sarcasm but half truth).
This was not a story about making billions of ISK, I completely agree that you can make more than 10Mil an hour if you put your mind to it. If I was really so desperate to rat the BR spawns, I would get myself into BoB, or a tennant corp, or whatever is required for access and Rat it up 24/7 without fear of the locals jumping all over me.
I don't care about ISK. I lost around half of my fortune on this adventure, and I don't care because to me it was an adventure. There was something I wanted to acheive in this game, so I worked out when where and how it would be done. To me, it was a challenge and a lot of fun.
There are people who live in empire and truly believe the game is about making as much ISK as possible, they run their level 4 missions, farm their 2/10 complexes and mine their Veldspar in Jita. ISK is just a number, Skill Points are just numbers, but Eve is perhaps the only MMO which does not revolve around making smaller numbers bigger. I created this thread not to say "WOW LOOK AT THE MONIES IN 0.0", but to let those people know that these numbers don't really matter and with a good idea and the drive to make it work anything is possible. |
Roland 99
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.17 17:36:00 -
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Edited by: Roland 99 on 17/07/2006 17:37:37 Tell it all.. Tell it all..
I still want to make that shuttle trip to new eden one of these days :)
Its so nice to see posts from people that actually enjoy the game for what it is and not get so overly absorbed in the details as to take all the fun away. _______ My pod is filled with beer. Dont make me spring a leak
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