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Chou Yung
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Posted - 2006.07.17 18:30:00 -
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As much as i enjoy pvp the constant wars and skirmishes in Deklein has become rediculous. It seems like every alliance in eve likes to sort out its spats in Deklein. As important as the facilities in VFK and JU are, are they really worth the fighting they cause? I personally believe that the 2 systems should be handed over to the ISS, this would solve almost all of the conflicts in Deklein and support a constant market in the area for all. Can peace exist on the battlefield of Eve, i think it can........do you??
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arkarsk
GoonWaffe GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.17 18:51:00 -
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Originally by: Chou Yung Can peace exist on the battlefield of Eve, i think it can........do you??
No!
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Able Citizen
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2006.07.17 20:46:00 -
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Yes!
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Violet Ju'wien
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.17 20:56:00 -
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Edited by: Violet Ju''wien on 17/07/2006 20:56:31 Your shameless plugging does not go unnoticed.
ISS are the apathy of the universe. Their corrupt megalopoly subverts all law enforcement on the fringes of the empires. Even their means of marketing their bile is superfluous and inefficient, marked by decadence. ----- "Boats against the current, borne back ceaselessly into the past" |
Chou Yung
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Posted - 2006.07.17 21:13:00 -
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Violet you missunderstand why i would give these systems to the ISS. I would do it because their neutrality would end conflicts that are caused by the facilities in the systems, and give at least the south of deklein some stability, not to increase the ISS's profit.
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Interscene
E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2006.07.17 21:23:00 -
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Edited by: Interscene on 17/07/2006 21:25:47
Normally I'd say discussion of 0.0 areas and the fighting between alliances should be, whilst not restricted, are better served being posted on the alliance summit or alliance discussion pages where alliances are likely to respond to questions.
As to your comments about VFK and JU, they are worth fighting over and handing these two stations over to ISS would be unacceptable to ALL Deklein residents, it's not a matter of handing over stations as allowing ISS to claim soverenty to take them. I personally believe it solved very few problems in EC-P8R when ISS obtained some nominal control. Not to mention it would be unaccpetable in the extreme to IRON and our many greatly respected allies who currently fights to take these systems. Soverenty of 0.0 space is a cause worth fighting over, should the previous occupiers, the NFC have accepted the terms given to them by IRON and FLA then there would be no northern war. All of this is documented in many posts in the alliance summits where I direct your attention
As for your comments of peace? Deklein has never been the most peaceful or stable region, which is why our alliances are amongst the strongest. Peace is not sought by those who wish to retake their old soveriegn territories.
War keeps people strong and letting ISS into VFK or JU would create far, far more conflict than it could ever be expected to solve.
This is of course, all my own words and personal opinions. Please contact an IRON diplomat IRON policy or standings in the new Deklein.
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Chou Yung
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Posted - 2006.07.17 21:41:00 -
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Wel i personally as a member of Sparta do not beleive that these sytems are worth the trouble they have caused our alliance, and i think that handing the systems over to a neutral entity, ISS or otherwise, is the only way we can stop the fighting over them. I do agree with the fact that sovereinity of systems is worth fighting for but the fact that all the alliances in and around deklein get dragged into the conflict because of old and new coalitions and everybody's desire to claim and hold these systems is rediculous. We all need to learn to live with eachother, because deklein as a region is not holdable by one alliance alone and although war makes alliances strong it also destroys them and creates further conflicts. To have 2 or three strong alliances allied, but seperate entities is the only way the region will ever see peace.
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Addicus Zed
Ferinus Vis
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Posted - 2006.07.17 21:50:00 -
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So ISS is like UN now huh...oh boy
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E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2006.07.17 22:10:00 -
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Sparta Alliance chose this path, they dragged the forces against them into this war, if you don't like it, quit your alliance. We faught and destroyed NFC for those systems. Only for the some of the old corps, accepting a one weeks Non Agression Pact on their honour that they would withdraw from Deklein, to turn around and join Sparta, who WERE neutral in the conflict. Instead of granting them safety, instead Sparta used the newly obtained NFC corps and their soverignty to claim the systems we have faught over. They took from IRON, FLA and others who had faught the NFC their prize. Right out of our hands by their own choice. Sparta will lose these systems same as we would have taken them from NFC.
Note also, it was your alliance who turned from neutral to enemy at the end of the war with NFC. It was Sparta who set all your neighbours to hostiles in anticipation that we would demand those systems be handed over to us, systems that are historically part of the Northern Republic. It was also you who decided to sign pacts with the GoonSquad, who, as much as many of us privatly love the Goonies Hive, are still our enemies. The war could have been over.
As for ISS, it is not a neutral entity. Through their occupation of systems they attract pirates that pray on those that wish to visit ISS installations, they spend more time napping these foes to ensure peace for *themselves* and their members than fighting to protect visitors and they have their own interests at heart, they were also renowned (during my time in an ISS corp) for 'accidentaly' extending soverign claims or building POS in bordering systems they were not originally intended to. Of course, this is old history and may not reflect on the current ISS leaders. I will not speak too badly of ISS since I have no real negative opinion of them other than to say they are not the neutrals you seem to believe, they will not solve the problems or keep their friends and positive standing corps safe in those systems if made ISS soveriegn space. ISS has no claim to these systems, and no Deklein, PureBlind or Fade alliance would accept that. At least, I'm sure none of the alliances who have a say in the matter would.
Also, I wrote and erased a small tirad against you when I believed you were yet another infesting 'alternate' with a faked GalNet Ident rather than posting with your main Pod-Pilots liscence. I apologise, I have since seen you are in fact a member of Spara, not an 'alt' at all, perhaps you could activate your GlaNet Ident to show your corp and alliance publicly. Inter
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Shintoko Akahoshi
Omerta Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.07.18 03:51:00 -
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Originally by: Violet Ju'wien ISS are the apathy of the universe... Even their means of marketing their bile is superfluous and inefficient, marked by decadence.
I wouldn't call them superfluous and inefficient. As an ISS stockholder, I've seen about a 260% return on my investments with them. They've shown themselves to be a capable and profitable commercial entitiy.
Now please excuse me while I go snort crash off the bellies of young Minmatar men before passing out in a huge pile of cash...
The Red Mom of WarÖ
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Jonny Damordred
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.07.18 03:59:00 -
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All I have have to say is: I love the North!
Love and Ganking, Jonny D.
-- BNC: Good boys doing bad things --
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Seleene
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.07.18 08:22:00 -
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Originally by: Chou Yung Can peace exist on the battlefield of Eve?
Peace... Battlefield? Your statement contradicts itself.
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31i73
BGG Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.07.18 09:31:00 -
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Theres more here than meets the eye. Most of the factions in deklein didn't start shooty shooty just because its more interesting that way. Building good relations and commerce doesn't work if your nabours simply don't want to.
Sparta was a good nabour imo, staying neutral and all, at first. Then something snapped there. Maybe it was some bad apples they received by taking in wrong xNFC corps, maybe not. Think it as a spring cleaning. Sparta is no more, and these forums are full of "corp nn is leaving dek" threads. Too bad, it seems its the decent ones that are pulling out. Some surrendering corps are given some time to take their stuff ang go, but because I'm wisened after the great NFC backstab, I'd be willing to bet they won't all remove their poses and go quietly. Anyways, maybe we can soon all set our eyes on our real outer-region enemies.
disclaimer: these are my own opinions and speculations
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Phendre
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Posted - 2006.07.18 10:47:00 -
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I find it impossible to release a firm grasp on the notion of 'peace' in a world where war is commonplace and unavoidable.
The 'cause' is universal language of both scum and priest, lawyer and tactician. If you have ever picked up a history book, then you will know that war is recurrent and inevitable. The war can't be stopped , it is a stream that courses in new directions until finally it finds a deep groove and becomes a river.
Even with all this space around us we can't sit comfortably for long enough to appreciate the peace that describes the void! Turn your back on the cause, and you will become the victim. Confront the reality and you are now the antagonist. Pick up a piece of chalk to draw a line only if you are willing to bear the nomination of slave to another's voice.
There is no peace without war, no end without suffering. All of this lies beneath us. The only true war is within yourself. Take steps to know yourself, and peace will show itself to you.
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Jack Malus
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.18 10:59:00 -
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It appears that Sparta has dissolved.
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Chou Yung
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Posted - 2006.07.18 16:27:00 -
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Oh ok wel i never new that they dissoloved.........i have bin away for a couple of days so it is all news to me. Thank you all for your comments and opinions and i look forward to seeing you all in Dek. Chou
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VeNT
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.18 18:43:00 -
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Originally by: Chou Yung Oh ok wel i never new that they dissoloved.........i have bin away for a couple of days so it is all news to me. Thank you all for your comments and opinions and i look forward to seeing you all in Dek. Chou
o rly?
I'd be worryed that IRON/FLA etc would shoot anyone ex-sparta who's not had their standings set yet, you may want to get onto your CEO about that before you start moving around in dek
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