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Bael Don'adur
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Posted - 2006.07.17 19:15:00 -
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After reading theodicy, I have become intensely fascinate by this race. I am curious if there is any other info out there about them.
For those that don't know, they are only barely mentioned in theodicy, but are said to be responsible for the amarr/jovian conflict as well as many others. They are the puppet masters from the shadow. They are more powerful than the jovians themselves.
Any knowledge or dead threads about them would be greatly appreciated. I was going to include this in the Most Advanced thread, but I think it would derail the thread a bit.
One suspicion I have is that they are people who did not lose any technology when the eve-gate crashed, which gives them the ability to be eons past anyone else.
Another, much more far-fetched suspicion is that they are from Earth, and have an intense need to control the progress of the people in Eve. This is supported (somewhat) by the assertion made in Theodicy that they have the ability of site to site teleportation, something that could fascilitate space travel. However, this is not supported by the assertion that they wanted the war between the amarrians and jovians to slow the inursion of amarrians into "their space" indicating that they had established space in the Eve galaxy. Really its just a wild guess.
Anyways, any help in my research would be appreciated
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Darius Shakor
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.17 19:28:00 -
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The mention of them in Theodicy is the one and only mention of them. Everything else has been speculation.
As for myself, I don't think they are a race that suffered no tech loss in the eve gate collapse. I think they could be powerful and influential people in key positions of industry and government from all major empires working to forward their own agenda.
Go read the chronicle called Myth of a Salesman and you will see what I mean. Maybe he is linked to them? Maybe he is the only one of this small group who's activities are readily visiable to others because of his trade? Maybe he is a rouge from their ranks...
Beyond that though there is nothing about them. ------
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2006.07.18 18:27:00 -
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You're quite a ways off. Look to the past.
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Daestra
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.18 20:06:00 -
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This one:
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Also seems to hint at some sort of puppetmaster, though I guess that could be a Jovian. I'm not as up on Joves as I should be.
My guess would be either a race that survived the fall of technology (though again, I thought that was already filled by the Joves?)but could also be either a group that made it here recently from the Milky Way somehow, or an advanced race that already existed in Eve before the arival of humans. One we've not had contact with before because they didn't wish it -------
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Nikolai Nuvolari
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.18 20:16:00 -
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Do I have to say it again?
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Darius Shakor
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.18 22:42:00 -
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Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu You're quite a ways off. Look to the past.
Who is way off on what idea?
And how far to the past? ------
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Sadayiel
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.19 16:25:00 -
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again i must recognize istvaan ingenuity to point in the right direction around this issues.
consider that Joves do fear them, their description it's just they are "not human" anymore but they hold technology far better than joves in someway.
If you look to the past of EVE races, you may notice a singular detail, all current EVE races are just slighty evolved from a basic human form (unless joves by genetic enginnering) but there is even an older Human that had much more time for a self evolution...
Yes the enheduanni right now are prolly the original humans who remained at other side of EVE gate, considering they had a similar or better technology than current jovian one that gives them a nearly 30k years timespawn for self evolution.
considering that our current evolution theories set the homo sapiens in a time of around 40k years ago, right now the evolution of the human race it's much more faster just due all the technology we hace access.
if someone just want to point that joves not lost any technology but they didn't evolve, well there is a simply and basic reason The jove disease force them to keep reborn all the time with just smaller changes to find a way to counteract it. -------------------Sig----------------------- The True Pirate secret |
Silver Night
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.20 10:55:00 -
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Isty is probably also reffering to references to some sorta dark jove back in his Endless corp fiction from the Beta. Its around somewhere, if you can find it. There is a link to it here in the library somewhere, in the Chorus of Angels thread I think. --------------
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Kespii
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.27 02:11:00 -
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Truthfully I think they are the results of a Jovian split during the Shrouded Days...those days when the Jovian's DNA became completely damaged beyond repair...ofcourse no one knows how it happened, but I think the main jovian race split into two vastly different beings, be it energy based beings or some kind of form of transcendence. They are obviously a subrace of the Jovians tho...
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Sadayiel
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.27 07:11:00 -
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well the dark jove theory it¦s factible to, so as long im concerned both can fit properly until we know more about them.
1) dark jove theory, a genetic split due the jove disease (also need to explain the technological differences right now, but posible still)
2) Earth humans, controlling the EVE colonies they left behind when eve gate closed (30000 yeas of evolution and a good reason to add the space-time transport technology to them)
now time to wait and lurk for more info. -------------------Sig----------------------- The True Pirate secret |
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Discorporation
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.27 16:13:00 -
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They're Plot Device.
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Nikolai Nuvolari
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.27 19:24:00 -
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Theodicy doesn't even say the Enheduanni exist, ANYWHERE. All it has is some crap that the Jovians explain TO ANOTHER CHARACTER as being Enheduanni...it could very easily be the Jovians themselves just acting manipulative. ------------------ Originally by: kieron Buy ISK for RL cash here!
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Kassimia Maahien
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Posted - 2007.09.26 20:15:00 -
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Could it be possible that jovian invented story of Enheduanni to lessen their own status in stories of Eveverse? So that they would inspire less hate, curiosity and servitude as even they are underdogs.
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2007.09.28 14:30:00 -
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Edited by: Pottsey on 28/09/2007 14:34:05 ôCould it be possible that jovian invented story of Enheduanni to lessen their own status in stories of Eveverse?ö Possible, but extremely unlikely. A lot of the stuff the Enheduanni did should be way beyond what we know the Jove are able to do. If the Enheduanni are really made up by the Jove then that means the Jove are way more technology advance then we thought.
Some of what the Enheduanni did would not benefit the Jove so it doesnÆt make sense itÆs the Jove pretending to be Enheduanni
ôAnyways, any help in my research would be appreciatedö Read my corp bio its got a few keypoints on them.
"Theodicy doesn't even say the Enheduanni exist, ANYWHERE. All it has is some crap that the Jovians explain TO ANOTHER CHARACTER as being Enheduanni..." You should re read the story. The Enheduanni exist. The sleeper agents are real and Enheduanni also did stuff thats beyound what the Jove should be able to do. Passive shield tanking guide click here |
GoGo Yubari
PAK
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Posted - 2007.09.30 12:26:00 -
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The Enheduanni are Midichlorians.
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Nachshon
Caldari Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2007.11.19 20:04:00 -
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I am racking my brain for evidence of their interference in our affairs, but I cannot think of any. ____________________________________ Caldari by birth, Minmatar by citizenship.
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Sepherim
Amarr Ordo Quaesitoris
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Posted - 2007.11.21 02:17:00 -
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I'm with Nikolai in this one. The story doesn't personally show any Ehenduanni, all it does is explain their existance. The Jove explain it. It could perfectly be an invention.
Until we know more about them, we can make up thousands of theories, and have nothing real to contrast them with.
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Aradatt
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Posted - 2007.12.28 03:43:00 -
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My guess would be that the Enheduanni, in terms of what the author probably had in mind, are probably supposed to represent what I like to call the "crypto-corporations" within the game. Groups of players with a particular penchant for deep conspiracy and manipulation who act in coordination (while going to great pains to appear completely unconnected, to the extent that they don't even use the game to communicate with each other) in order to achieve ends without ever giving any indication that there is even a group behind their actions.
Even if that isn't what was intended, the description fits pretty well.. especially in the sense that one of the things that keeps them so well hidden is that people strongly prefer not to believe that such things exist.
As far as what they are within the Eve universe, beyond Grious' statments of their abilities being "a mutation" and that they aren't human "anymore" you pretty much just have to let your imagination wallow in the possibilities of what sorts of things might develop over 30,000 years in an alien environment. :)
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GoGo Yubari
PAK
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Posted - 2007.12.28 18:33:00 -
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Originally by: Aradatt My guess would be that the Enheduanni, in terms of what the author probably had in mind, are probably supposed to represent what I like to call the "crypto-corporations" within the game. Groups of players with a particular penchant for deep conspiracy and manipulation who act in coordination (while going to great pains to appear completely unconnected, to the extent that they don't even use the game to communicate with each other) in order to achieve ends without ever giving any indication that there is even a group behind their actions.
Even if that isn't what was intended, the description fits pretty well.. especially in the sense that one of the things that keeps them so well hidden is that people strongly prefer not to believe that such things exist.
As far as what they are within the Eve universe, beyond Grious' statments of their abilities being "a mutation" and that they aren't human "anymore" you pretty much just have to let your imagination wallow in the possibilities of what sorts of things might develop over 30,000 years in an alien environment. :)
Yep, that makes sense. That's not to say that they're only ever gonna be that, but they are a great parallel. In fact, I had similar ideas when I read the Broker Chronicle all those years ago.
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