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Bach
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.18 01:10:00 -
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Please be informed the Arch Angel Cartel has found it necessary to issue a Quarantine notice for all systems in Catch Region claimed by the Sansha supporters. At this time that includes IAC and HUZZAH. Dark Angel Command is currently uncertain of Stain Alliance intentions and is NOT including them in the quarantine.
Recently cargo ships have been stopped flowing into Sansha supporter space carrying Strontium and other war contraband similar to that used to engage the Dark Angel complex in U-QVWD. These supplies and goods must not flow to those who would help spread the cybernetic slavery of the Sansha.
all supporter claimed space in Catch as well as friendly Cartel gate camps and temporary ops locations will be considered war zones and fall under section #4 of the CC Cartel ROE.For details on this ROE please see the following site: http://cursecoalition.co.uk/
We hope all NAP'd allies and friends of the Cartel will understand this quarantine as it is for the safety of all of us. Representatives of the Cartel further encourage Cartel allies to practice this quarantine as well as Curse Coalition. War supplies have been tracked going to our enemies on allied masked vessels.
Thank you, Bach (Curse Coalition....Angel Cartel Operations)
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Kitty O'Shay
Tharsis Security
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Posted - 2006.07.18 02:34:00 -
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I think Blockade would be the proper term, instead of quarantine. As it seems you're trying to keep them out, not keep them in.
Which leaves the question open of whether the Sanshas should be quarantined within Catch. --
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Murukan
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.18 03:00:00 -
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why are you always trying to find an excuse to pirate in catch?? Just admit it, you guys love to kill lone travellers there, i really don't understand your obsessive need to justify it.
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Bach
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.18 03:56:00 -
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Originally by: Murukan why are you always trying to find an excuse to pirate in catch?? Just admit it, you guys love to kill lone travellers there, i really don't understand your obsessive need to justify it.
Quite to the contrary sir. Today alone we stopped and cargo scanned a number of ships that were turned away for questionable cargo's. There was one vessel who tried to run past the quarantine agents and was unfortunately destroyed in the process. However there was no poddings and the implants the pilot had in cargo, which were not war contraband, were returned to him at the nearest station. These facts your welcome to check on sir. We even recieved a gracious thank you note from one of the pilots turned away who had not realized the risks of the space he was about to enter.
The Arch Angel Cartel war effort is to free the Catch Regoin from the spread of the Sansha Nations cybernetic control that is infecting it. Piracy has nothing to do with it. As a minmatar you would do well to also get behind this cause and help stop this cybernetic enslavement of mankind.
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Ituralde
Infinity Enterprises
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Posted - 2006.07.18 05:13:00 -
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Quarantine, eh? Say, when do you plan to back up that quarantine with a spine? The Curse Coalition certianly represents a significant pirate threat - but nothing more. Back up your claims of quarantine and control with legitimate action that demonstrates it or keep your forked tongue behind your teeth.
Oh, and do tell Wwhisper that warp core stabilisers and a cloaking device on an assault frigate is not likely to earn him nor the Cartel you fight for any sucess or respect.
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Alt Delete
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Posted - 2006.07.18 12:13:00 -
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Originally by: Bach Please be informed the Arch Angel Cartel has found it necessary to issue a Quarantine notice for all systems in Catch Region claimed by the Sansha supporters. At this time that includes IAC and HUZZAH. Dark Angel Command is currently uncertain of Stain Alliance intentions and is NOT including them in the quarantine.
Translation:
Even though we are no longer a significant threat to the Catch region, the Cloaked Coalition wishes to attempt to restore some legitimacy to what has turned into a pathetic rabble of pirate wannabes led by myself, a nervous lapdog of the Angel Cartel. Please, let me bore you with my mindless rhetoric for a mere paragraph or two of self-agrandising nonsense...
We wish to apologise for preying on the weak or defenceless, wherever we may stumble across you, cloaked in a belt, popping your cans while we hide and wait for a target weaker. Please forgive us, but we know no other way.
We wish to proclaim our pure hatred for the enemy we chose so long ago and have been subdued by in a way our Cartel masters could never hope to control us, the Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate. We realise now that entering your home system can only be done under cover of technology or with the explicit help of whatever force may find themselves aligned with our cause. We hope you take us more seriously as we hide behind the skirts of whatever master decides to adopt us outside of Cartel territory.
We wish to include Huzzah in our meaningless proclaimation to lend weight to our threats, even though we never stray too far from our homes and wouldn't really know our way to Huzzah space anyway. Besides, we hear there are real pirates out there....
In a bid to give credence to our scripted cause, we will exclude the Stain Alliance from our inflated claims and laughable propaganda, since we are not really sure how big they are or how badly they could hurt us and we don't really have that many ships left....
By the way, if anyone is interested, me and Wwhisper have gone halves in a bubble and are gonna gate camp 1P, so if anyone wants to help, we might get a hauler with some uberloot from ISS...
Please Bach, obviously this is the last arena left open to try to annoy legitimate Catch residents... don't insult us by trying to embellish your Commander's instructions. Just repeat them as they were spelled out for you on the piece of veldpar... I ARE A PIRATE..YAWWWWWWWn
Yes I'm an alt... I am THE alt!
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Bach
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.18 12:38:00 -
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Originally by: Ituralde Quarantine, eh? Say, when do you plan to back up that quarantine with a spine? The Curse Coalition certianly represents a significant pirate threat - but nothing more.
Sir, the Cartel would suggest you check the news on your private Kills and Losses information board. It would seem your forays of last time cycle out of your Sansha sanctioned hole met with a Cartel spine. Angels were singing praises as your force was wiped out to the last pilot. Stay safe in your Sansha home cyber slave.
Originally by: Alt Delete
Please Bach, obviously this is the last arena left open to try to annoy legitimate Catch residents... don't insult us by trying to embellish your Commander's instructions. Just repeat them as they were spelled out for you on the piece of veldpar... I ARE A PIRATE..YAWWWWWWWn
Yes I'm an alt... I am THE alt!
If there is no threat then perhaps you'd consider running those war supplies under your own flag? I'm must confess Sir I do not know what an alt is. I can only imagine its some variety of altered humanoid designed by your Sansha masters.
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Alt Delete
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Posted - 2006.07.18 12:56:00 -
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Originally by: Bach If there is no threat then perhaps you'd consider running those war supplies under your own flag? I'm must confess Sir I do not know what an alt is. I can only imagine its some variety of altered humanoid designed by your Sansha masters.
Alt is my name, curr, and one you shall do well to not speak again should you wish to continue your ramblings with teeth!
Please recommend a more fruitful path when pointing to information boards, for it is a bare and deceiving wasteland when it comes to your own...
Take heed, beloved pet of Angels... any preparation for war in Catch has and will be made with scant consideration for the likes of you. Enemies deemed worthy of war declare their intentions in ways you could never afford nor understand. You would do well to retreat to your kennels when the cries of battle reach your mongrel pack.
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Raid
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.18 14:24:00 -
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Mr Alt
By your very presence here you have proven that such a quarantine in necessary. You speak as if you are a member of the Conglomerate yet you are not an employee. So long as you and other Sansha supporters travel around under neutral flags to avoid us we will continue to quarantine your space.
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Ituralde
Infinity Enterprises
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Posted - 2006.07.18 19:35:00 -
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Edited by: Ituralde on 18/07/2006 19:45:09 I have yet to see you demonstrate how the Cl- er, Curse Coalition or the Angel Cartel demonstrates any sort of legitimate claim over the Catch region. Preening at your pretty killboard does not speak for anything save your tendency to run away from any real engagement - the sort you would actually have to win to gain that sort of control you like to claim.
And as to that last little raid out of our "sansha hole" - Catch, I might add - I lead that little suicide squad since we could not get you to fight on our terms - but go ahead and count the ISK value lost - That deimos alone cost more than everything you killed of ours. You can thank the Secure Commerce Commision policy for Tech Level II vessels and equipment for that. So, while we were defeated, yes, we had respectful engagement we easily could have avoided had we decided to mimic the spineless nature of most Cartel supporters.
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Raid
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.18 19:54:00 -
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Originally by: Ituralde Edited by: Ituralde on 18/07/2006 19:45:09 I have yet to see you demonstrate how the Cl- er, Curse Coalition or the Angel Cartel demonstrates any sort of legitimate claim over the Catch region. Preening at your pretty killboard does not speak for anything save your tendency to run away from any real engagement - the sort you would actually have to win to gain that sort of control you like to claim.
And as to that last little raid out of our "sansha hole" - Catch, I might add - I lead that little suicide squad since we could not get you to fight on our terms - but go ahead and count the ISK value lost - That deimos alone cost more than everything you killed of ours. You can thank the Secure Commerce Commision policy for Tech Level II vessels and equipment for that. So, while we were defeated, yes, we had respectful engagement we easily could have avoided had we decided to mimic the spineless nature of most Cartel supporters.
My dear Ituralde,
You keep throwing the word claim around. The only time we make reference to claim is when we refer to catch space being claimed by the Sansha's nation. I fail to understand where you got the impression the Angel Cartel has already claimed the catch region. We have only said that any space that you inhabit will be quarantined from outsiders. No longer will you sneak by us under alternate flags.
While you may put a price tag on the KLMT Massacre we prefer to look at things differently. You can never put a price on dignity. You could kill a thousand Demios ships and five thousand more will be right behind it.
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Ituralde
Infinity Enterprises
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Posted - 2006.07.18 20:08:00 -
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Edited by: Ituralde on 18/07/2006 20:08:49 My apologies, a simple matter of semantical error, and aparrently a grevious one. What I meant was 'Control'(something certainly necessary for Quarantine), and you clearly can't do that, either. When you can stop us from coming and going as we please under our own flags, then we might grant your claims to power some credence. We abhor your mindless slaughter of innocent pilots, though I guess since the IAC has done a pretty good job of shooting back on a regular basis that you figure that you have to get your sadistic pleasures somewhere, even if it does not further your goals. As a moderately free-thinking pilot this is your own choice, though if you expect the locals to start cowering before your cloaking devices and warp core stabilisers, think again.
When it comes to dignity, when you can mount a sustained attack on the IAC areas in something that does not run away as soon as the slightest touch of opposition appeared, only then can you speak of dignity. Maybe that is why you call the destruction of roughly 75% of a 13 person gang a massacre....
Really though, if you want to keep throwing money around to no real gain, then go right ahead, nobody is going to stop you. You can keep your own self-styled dignity all you want, but ourselves, we prefer to have a clue instead.
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Scragg
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.18 20:15:00 -
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Originally by: Ituralde And as to that last little raid out of our "sansha hole" - Catch, I might add - I lead that little suicide squad since we could not get you to fight on our terms - but go ahead and count the ISK value lost - That deimos alone cost more than everything you killed of ours. You can thank the Secure Commerce Commision policy for Tech Level II vessels and equipment for that. So, while we were defeated, yes, we had respectful engagement we easily could have avoided had we decided to mimic the spineless nature of most Cartel supporters.
Well sir. You did a fine job of leading your Sansha loving forces into a dead end arm of Cartel space in an ill-fated raid on the peace loving citizens of the area. CC forces quickly found, isolated, and dispatched your Sansha supporting raiders with little trouble. We do wish the IAC had more "leaders" of your ilk as it would make our task less cumbersome.
Now then... this quarantine business: If all we wanted to do was destroy ships there would be no reason to broadcast our intentions. Friends of the Cartel will take note of the warning and avoid the quarantined area while we handle this Sansha plague.
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Ituralde
Infinity Enterprises
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Posted - 2006.07.18 20:57:00 -
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We don't shoot neutrals, so the only people we would have attacked - and did attack - are those who first agressed us. So, as to attacking peace-loving citizens, you are just simply mistaken.
As to ill fated, explain to me how a group that :
1. Pulled CC hostiles on a useless chase our of JZV constellation all the way to Hale
2. Killed more (monetarily) that its completely inconsequential losses
3. Got Curse Coalition to actually *gasp* engage for once
..was at all a failure. If by quickly you mean the time we spent traveling through Curse looking for targets that would actually shoot back, and by Isolated you mean meeting up with, as we certainly weren't cowering behing others to do our dirty work for us, and if by 'little trouble' you mean losing assets not near the value of what you destroyed even when completely overwhelming your enemy in terms of brute force, then I guess what you said just made sense.
Ok, I lied, it didnt.
______ On another note, I hold no leadership position in IAC, and what I say here is representative not necessarily of IAC policy, but instead my own opinions. I am just another member of the IAC like anyone else who is sick of dealing with an enemy that refuses on a regular basis to fight back save when posessing completely overwhelming force. As you are never more than a nuisance, pulling that nuisance back away from the JZV constellation and deep into Curse was a worthwhile endeavor in my estimation. While I take full responsibility for every loss in that engagement, Each and every piliot in our group wanted to engage there as running away when we knew we could do some damage just reminded us too much of a certain spinless enemy we all detest.
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Thana Tos
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Posted - 2006.07.20 04:19:00 -
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All i can say i kinda like the way you got involved in this conflict and i don't really care if you try to cover your pirating habits with it. Perhaps you found a good ally finally? I hope you enjoy it. Either way, don't disappoint the Cartel.
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Hehulk
5punkorp Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.07.20 05:46:00 -
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Might I ask, in the interest of keeping our NAP intact, what is your position of allowing neutrals (such as ISS) bringing possible war goods such as POS fuel, ships and ammo though your quarantine for our own personal use?
How might we also go about proving that they are indeed for our use, and not for the slaver scum.
*Not an official ISS diplomatic* ---------- Please choose one signature image, as per the forum rules. - Teblin |
Immad Hadaioki
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Posted - 2006.07.20 06:12:00 -
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Slaver scum?
Huzzah seen as Sansha supporter is an example of exreme lack of understanding of catch politics, not anything more. Huzzah supported our allies IAC, against all enemies, Angelcartel being one of less important.
Moreover, CC is a minor problem in war logistics. We have a dozen of more dangerous groups who are not trying to close ay market. They just hunt more or less random travelers. And they are still many time more successfull in limiting internal market then CC, who simply live too far away.
Theres one more thing making it a useless attempt - crtitcal supplies are jumped in carriers.
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Those are my personal opinions and are definately NOT official alliance statements.
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Raid
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.20 13:58:00 -
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Edited by: Raid on 20/07/2006 14:03:18
Originally by: Hehulk Might I ask, in the interest of keeping our NAP intact, what is your position of allowing neutrals (such as ISS) bringing possible war goods such as POS fuel, ships and ammo though your quarantine for our own personal use?
How might we also go about proving that they are indeed for our use, and not for the slaver scum.
*Not an official ISS diplomatic*
There is no good reason to bring POS fuel into IAC space. You will be asked to turn around and leave or possibly to eject your cargo and leave. Failure to comply will result in unfortunate agression.
You'd be surprised how many ships have been caught with fuel inside.
Edit: there is also no good reason to sit idle at gates around us or near us. Please view our ROE for clarification on what the consiquences of such actions may be. You'll find them to be both fair and easy to comply with.
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Raid
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.20 13:59:00 -
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Originally by: Immad Hadaioki Slaver scum?
Huzzah seen as Sansha supporter is an example of exreme lack of understanding of catch politics, not anything more. Huzzah supported our allies IAC, against all enemies, Angelcartel being one of less important.
Moreover, CC is a minor problem in war logistics. We have a dozen of more dangerous groups who are not trying to close ay market. They just hunt more or less random travelers. And they are still many time more successfull in limiting internal market then CC, who simply live too far away.
Theres one more thing making it a useless attempt - crtitcal supplies are jumped in carriers.
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Those are my personal opinions and are definately NOT official alliance statements.
Seems you're already having problems with SE and RAT, theres no need for our pressence there right now.
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Immad Hadaioki
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Posted - 2006.07.20 14:35:00 -
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As declared. Were evry happy with our current problems with SE and RAT and a dozen less notorius but also less expectable enemies, and more problems are not needed at the moment.
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Immad Hadaioki
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Posted - 2006.07.20 14:36:00 -
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Edited by: Immad Hadaioki on 20/07/2006 14:37:16 (posted 2 times by accident, edited for emptyness)
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Bach
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.20 17:28:00 -
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Originally by: Hehulk Might I ask, in the interest of keeping our NAP intact, what is your position of allowing neutrals (such as ISS) bringing possible war goods such as POS fuel, ships and ammo though your quarantine for our own personal use?
How might we also go about proving that they are indeed for our use, and not for the slaver scum.
*Not an official ISS diplomatic*
When your in the second month of a War and 2 day old ISS pilots are scouting gates, hauling POS fuel and using enemy warp navigation points...it doesn't take a Jovian Propulsion Scientist to figure out whats going on.
Equally as obvious as these spies and traitors infiltrating the ISS ranks, for use of they're Blue status to the Cartel, is the fact that it isn't the whole ISS that is behind this.
For the first few months of the war we did not stop any blue traffic to and from the stations at all. We had no reason they as they were our friends. Only recently has the Sansha cyber controlled oposition spread they're influence into the ranks of our trusted allies. The Quarantine is a new thing and an attempt to curb this dishonorable tactic that soils the reputations of friends to friends.
What you could do is remember your in a warzone and that the Cartel pilots you meet have they're very lives hanging in the balance. They are very concerned about spying and enemy aide that may lead to they're deaths. Be understanding and patient. Cooperate with them as much as possible. Announce your presence and intended travel path and bussiness. Do not travel with enemy ships. Stagger your flight to not be next to them. Keep moving and don't loiter in the warzone. If asked to leave and come back later please do so. Its for everyones safety.
What would help the most is if the ISS could get some self policing done and ***** down on the infiltrators using they're friendly status and good name.
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krissi79
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Posted - 2006.07.20 20:03:00 -
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Rabble ?
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couger malthas
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.20 20:30:00 -
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oh got there coming for us run from the piwats of doom!!!!!!111!!!1!1!!11
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Ituralde
Infinity Enterprises
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Posted - 2006.07.20 22:58:00 -
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It will be interesting what the ISS will have to say of your destruction of their vessels. I guess this will again be a test of the ISS to see if they will stand up for their pilots or surrender to the piratical bullying of the Curse coaliton.
I guess it is now up to both sides to wait for an ISS official response.
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Alt Delete
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Posted - 2006.07.21 01:39:00 -
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Ahh, the mutt yelps once more.... yet the same old bone gets chewed...
Please Bark, understand that your ignorance cannot be spread throughout the law-abiding Southern community like the fleas that infest your b***chwhelps. Where is Pavlov when you need him?
Originally by: Bach
When your in the second month of a War and 2 day old ISS pilots are scouting gates, hauling POS fuel and using enemy warp navigation points...it doesn't take a Jovian Propulsion Scientist to figure out whats going on.
Equally as obvious as these spies and traitors infiltrating the ISS ranks, for use of they're Blue status to the Cartel, is the fact that it isn't the whole ISS that is behind this.
For the first few months of the war we did not stop any blue traffic to and from the stations at all. We had no reason they as they were our friends. Only recently has the Sansha cyber controlled oposition spread they're influence into the ranks of our trusted allies. The Quarantine is a new thing and an attempt to curb this dishonorable tactic that soils the reputations of friends to friends.
***blah, blah, woof, woof, rabble rabble, rabble*****
What would help the most is if the ISS could get some self policing done and ***** down on the infiltrators using they're friendly status and good name.
TRANSLATION: We are going to shoot whomever we please, regardless of a stupid pact made by former ally. Our Angel masters don't let us have any space of our own, but if you stumble across us uncloaking at a gate, please accept that we will accuse you of trespassing, regardless of where it is. Oh, and by the way, ISS please do as we say, not as we do .
For those Cloakers that missed puppy preschool like your pack leader, here it is one more time....
Originally by: Immad Hadaioki
Theres one more thing making it a useless attempt - crtitcal supplies are jumped in carriers.
Comprendez? Good boy... roll over.. who's a good boy... now... play dead....
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Raid
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.21 03:09:00 -
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Originally by: Ituralde It will be interesting what the ISS will have to say of your destruction of their vessels. I guess this will again be a test of the ISS to see if they will stand up for their pilots or surrender to the piratical bullying of the Curse coaliton.
I guess it is now up to both sides to wait for an ISS official response.
If you take the time to read the original statement you will see that the only ships that will be harmed are those ignore us and breach the ROE.
Mr. Alt Delete,
Since the school of applied knowledge has no business here your comments will be ignored. I would like to point out that neutrals such as yourself are exactly why such a quarantine is necessary. The IAC will not find safety hiding behind neutral flags!
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Nyphur
Pillowsoft Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.07.21 04:11:00 -
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Several ISS ships have reportedly been destroyed entering the quarantine zone and then were informed of the quarantine AFTERWARD. These were not the actions of a friend or NAP'd ally. But I'm sure someone will sort it all out and make sure that reparations are made in full.
Eve-Tanking.com - For tanking spreadsheet and resources. |
Raid
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.21 05:13:00 -
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Originally by: Nyphur Edited by: Nyphur on 21/07/2006 04:18:11
Several ISS ships have reportedly been destroyed entering the quarantine zone and then were informed of the quarantine AFTERWARD. These were not the actions of a friend or NAP'd ally. But I'm sure someone will sort it all out and make sure that reparations are made in full. EDIT: I just realised this had been brought up earlier in the discussion. Now I ahve to add info that isn't already out there or I'll look silly. How about this? At least one ISS pilot was flat-out accused of running guns for IAC during the war, as if CC had proof. That pilot had in fact not been in space for well over a week so any proof is non-existant.
Also, this is not an official ISS response. This is the wrong galnet channel for corp/alliance responses, anyway.
Nyphur, anyone who has been shot has been warned well before being fire upon. This is however something your leaders can discuss with us (if they would ever respond to communications that is). Please refer our site forum for information on troublemakers.
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Nyphur
Pillowsoft Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.07.21 05:24:00 -
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Originally by: Raid Nyphur, anyone who has been shot has been warned well before being fire upon. This is however something your leaders can discuss with us (if they would ever respond to communications that is). Please refer our site forum for information on troublemakers.
All this information has been communicated to your leaders. If they would take the time to make an internal communication within your alliance things would be easier.
No, the current story is that some of your people have been firing first and telling them why later, some have been denying all haulers passage while some are allowing haulers and denying combat vessels and others are allowing ISS through with alt scouts and all sorts. Either my information is wrong or your organisation skills aren't as tip-top as the cartel's. No matter, ISS diplomats will deal with the situation.
I will say though that I am in ISS management and I first heard of this via ISS pilots being shot and warned. There was no attempt at communication with management, unless of course you tried to mail Count TaSessine. If you did try and mail him, your intel on the current state of affairs may be a little off - he's on holiday and will be back to work in a few days.
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