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Sajuek
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Posted - 2006.07.18 04:09:00 -
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Edited by: Sajuek on 18/07/2006 04:09:28 Its very late... (well, early) and i cant sleep so i thought id do this to inform the uninformed. Dont rip it just because you already know it, I know as a wee newbie id love to have something like this ;)
For the following factions you should deal damage and tank:
Angel damage: explosive tank: (in this order of how much damage they do) explosive, kinetic, thermal, EM (mind you they do so little thermal and EM its not worth worrying about)
Guristas damage: Kinetic tank: Kinetic, Thermal (they occasionally do EM, but again not worth worrying about unless you see tech 3 sentry guns)
Serpentis (see gurista)
Sansha's Nation damage: EM (even against their armour tanks!) Tank: EM and Thermal (lots of it aswell)
The Blood Raider Covenant (see Sansha's Nation)
Gallente Federation damage: Thermal Tank: Thermal and Kinetic (sometimes a little EM, but not worth worrying about.)
Minmatar Republic (these guys are tough) damage: Thermal tank: everything. Sometimes they deal almost all Explosive and others they deal almost all Thermal and EM. There is always Kin present, but never dominant. Anyway, If you fight frigate swarms, Tank EM, Explosive and Kinetic in that order. against bigger ships tank ALOT of explosive and kinetic. Then again sometimes they deal alot of thermal. It may require some warping in and out to see what your opponent is capable of.
Caldari State (see guristas)
Amarr Empire Damage: Thermal Tank: (no guess here!) EM and thermal
Rouge drones: Damage: EM Tank: As are minmatar these guys are hard to tank against, Kinetic, Thermal and explosive are big ones. But some drones feature some nasty EM damage aswell.
Mercenaries. Damage: Thermal Tank: a true tankers nightmare! These bastards deal all forms of damage. Though explosive seems to take a backseat, shouldnt suggest its not worth worrying about. EM, Thermal and Kinetic all seem to be their favourates. Luckily these guys rarely feature in missions and if they do, not in bulk. -------------------------------------------- Mr.Kippling just launched a nuclear holocaust at third world countries!!! But he does make exceedingly good cakes...
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Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.18 05:09:00 -
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Nice work Sajuek, Vets with short memories also need a reference like this
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apad
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Posted - 2006.07.18 15:54:00 -
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Edited by: apad on 18/07/2006 15:54:52 Agreed, nice work. Very handy at 2am when the beer has you all befuddled.
:edit: Damn alts!
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Yaevep
Euphoria Released Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.07.18 21:25:00 -
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For angels, it depends on whether we're talking missions or 0.0 ratting. Just don't underestimate the thermal gun damage from long range (20-30km) Cherry rats in 0.0 (320 thermic + 80 kinetic per rat every 5 secs).
Almost cost me a tempest once since I was armor tanking only explosion and kinetic. There was no way I could get under their guns in a tempest so they hurt quite a lot. Scared the bejesus out of me.
Still to be 100% sure, Grismar 4tw
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Tsanse Kinske
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.19 16:13:00 -
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Edited by: Tsanse Kinske on 19/07/2006 16:13:28 Great summary.
One key addition would be Mordu's, which fitting thermal damage, and tanking thermal (1st) and kinetic (2nd) seem to work pretty well on. * * * In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.
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TanSpectra
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Posted - 2006.07.20 08:31:00 -
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Serps I would say Therm then kinetic
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DrakeStone
Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.07.20 13:38:00 -
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I just experienced the same thing ratting Angels.
I was Hardened again Explosive/Kinetic and came upon a triple Saint spawn and they tore me a new one.
BTW: nice write-up.
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Nyphur
Pillowsoft Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.07.28 16:12:00 -
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This is incorrect. You are giving each race a single damage type when they do not deal a single damage type. If you're going to give damage values, give percentage proportions averaged and weighted across all ships of that type. It's not hard...
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jal morquentas
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Posted - 2007.08.01 13:15:00 -
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I've spent ages trying to find this thread - really valuable information here which I really wish I'd known right from the start. Hopefully a mate of mine is going to venture into the EVE universe soon - going to point him in the right direction!
Cheers!
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Rashmika Clavain
Gallente Revelation Space
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Posted - 2007.08.01 13:55:00 -
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Nice necro, although I don't think the mods will agree
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FT Diomedes
Gallente Ductus Exemplo
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Posted - 2007.08.01 14:58:00 -
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As necros go, it's not bad. At least he dredged up useful, still relevant information. ------------
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Aslann
Gallente Infinitus Odium The Church.
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Posted - 2007.08.02 00:11:00 -
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Damn those rouge drones ______________________
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Nalar Marnith
Minmatar Tetranex Consolidated
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Posted - 2007.08.02 03:11:00 -
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This is far better: http://www.evegeek.com/npc_damage.php
I find google very useful.
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Alyx Li
Gallente LEAP Corp United Confederation of Corporations
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Posted - 2007.08.02 07:45:00 -
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Just a note, Amarr Navy(BS's at least), often use kinetic missiles, and deal enough damage with them to notice.
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Leandro Salazar
The Blackguard Wolves
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Posted - 2007.08.02 08:39:00 -
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Originally by: Nalar Marnith This is far better: http://www.evegeek.com/npc_damage.php
I find google very useful.
Yeah it is also far more outdated lol (Almost 2 years old). And does not tell you what damage to use yourself.
Still this is one of the better necros. Lotta people have wrong (or outdated) info about this in their bios...
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Doxs Roxs
White Wolves Defence league The OSS
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Posted - 2007.08.02 12:18:00 -
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Originally by: Nyphur Edited by: Nyphur on 28/07/2006 16:26:43 EDIT: Misread. Never mind. I suggest that if you're going to give tank damage types, you give percentage proportions averaged and weighted across all ships of that type. I did it with angels and came up with exact priorities for my hardeners that made my tank better.
You seem to have some knowledge of tanking, do you know if there is a log file parser available so that one might parse the logfiles to get information about how much dps one needs to tank, what dmg types etc.
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Nyphur
Pillowsoft
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Posted - 2007.08.04 12:07:00 -
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Originally by: Doxs Roxs
Originally by: Nyphur Edited by: Nyphur on 28/07/2006 16:26:43 EDIT: Misread. Never mind. I suggest that if you're going to give tank damage types, you give percentage proportions averaged and weighted across all ships of that type. I did it with angels and came up with exact priorities for my hardeners that made my tank better.
You seem to have some knowledge of tanking, do you know if there is a log file parser available so that one might parse the logfiles to get information about how much dps one needs to tank, what dmg types etc.
Regards /Doxs
There are some applications out there that might parse the logs but we usually use the data exports to determine DPS and damage types of NPCs.
By the way, this thread is a necro from last year. I only found your post by chance on eve-search ^^;.
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Dahak2150
Chaos Monkeys
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Posted - 2007.08.04 13:35:00 -
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Edited by: Dahak2150 on 04/08/2007 13:37:25
Originally by: FT Diomedes As necros go, it's not bad. At least he dredged up useful, still relevant information.
Unfortunately, it's not all quite helpful. In fact, some is downright misleading.
For example, "Angels do so little thermal and EM it's not worth worrying about."
I'd like to direct you to a Gist Malakim, a deadspace BS that does 88.53 explosive DPS, 22.13 kinetic DPS....and 562.5 EM DPS. If one is shield tanking because of the naturally high explosive resists, and didn't bother tanking EM or thermal because "it's not worth worrying about", they'd better hope there's no scramming frigates around. ----------------
Originally by: "Cyberus" cause its has no sence anyway your brains is simply wont accept that anyway.
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Krav
Egad Inc. Sparta Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.04 21:53:00 -
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Originally by: Dahak2150 Edited by: Dahak2150 on 04/08/2007 13:37:25
Originally by: FT Diomedes As necros go, it's not bad. At least he dredged up useful, still relevant information.
Unfortunately, it's not all quite helpful. In fact, some is downright misleading.
For example, "Angels do so little thermal and EM it's not worth worrying about."
I'd like to direct you to a Gist Malakim, a deadspace BS that does 88.53 explosive DPS, 22.13 kinetic DPS....and 562.5 EM DPS. If one is shield tanking because of the naturally high explosive resists, and didn't bother tanking EM or thermal because "it's not worth worrying about", they'd better hope there's no scramming frigates around.
ROFL
Agreed... Weighted %ages are the way to go, if only someone had the time and desire to sift through those data exports and weight the dps out according to faction.......
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Leandro Salazar
The Blackguard Wolves
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Posted - 2007.08.04 22:59:00 -
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Originally by: Dahak2150 Edited by: Dahak2150 on 04/08/2007 13:37:25
Originally by: FT Diomedes As necros go, it's not bad. At least he dredged up useful, still relevant information.
Unfortunately, it's not all quite helpful. In fact, some is downright misleading.
For example, "Angels do so little thermal and EM it's not worth worrying about."
I'd like to direct you to a Gist Malakim, a deadspace BS that does 88.53 explosive DPS, 22.13 kinetic DPS....and 562.5 EM DPS. If one is shield tanking because of the naturally high explosive resists, and didn't bother tanking EM or thermal because "it's not worth worrying about", they'd better hope there's no scramming frigates around.
LOL do you take everything at face value without thinking about whether it makes sense? The 1 sec in the data export is wrong, a lot of Corpus BS have that too, 1 sec RoF and non-racial missile damage. That used to be 0 secs and they had infinite dps on paper and did not fire ANY missiles in reality. Probably the same no missiles in reality still now, but for whatever reason the 0 sec RoF in the data was changed to 1 sec. And the Gist Malakims in WC definitely don't spam one missile every second. I can't be sure since it has been a while since I ran it, but I don't think they spam any missiles at all.
It is just a bug in the data export.
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Dahak2150
Chaos Monkeys
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Posted - 2007.08.05 00:05:00 -
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Originally by: Leandro Salazar
Originally by: Dahak2150 Edited by: Dahak2150 on 04/08/2007 13:37:25
Originally by: FT Diomedes As necros go, it's not bad. At least he dredged up useful, still relevant information.
Unfortunately, it's not all quite helpful. In fact, some is downright misleading.
For example, "Angels do so little thermal and EM it's not worth worrying about."
I'd like to direct you to a Gist Malakim, a deadspace BS that does 88.53 explosive DPS, 22.13 kinetic DPS....and 562.5 EM DPS. If one is shield tanking because of the naturally high explosive resists, and didn't bother tanking EM or thermal because "it's not worth worrying about", they'd better hope there's no scramming frigates around.
LOL do you take everything at face value without thinking about whether it makes sense? The 1 sec in the data export is wrong, a lot of Corpus BS have that too, 1 sec RoF and non-racial missile damage. That used to be 0 secs and they had infinite dps on paper and did not fire ANY missiles in reality. Probably the same no missiles in reality still now, but for whatever reason the 0 sec RoF in the data was changed to 1 sec. And the Gist Malakims in WC definitely don't spam one missile every second. I can't be sure since it has been a while since I ran it, but I don't think they spam any missiles at all.
It is just a bug in the data export.
Anyone else hear that? It was the sound of the point going over his head.
The point is you omnitank against angels. The information provided is false. I'm attempting to help, but alas... ----------------
Originally by: "Cyberus" cause its has no sence anyway your brains is simply wont accept that anyway.
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Leandro Salazar
The Blackguard Wolves
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Posted - 2007.08.05 14:32:00 -
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Yes his information is false, but is is yours. The point is you tank angels against all resists, but with emphasis on exp/kin. Basically throwing invuls on top of a basic shieldtank yields the perfect anti-angel tank.
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Lord WarATron
Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.08.05 17:29:00 -
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Originally by: Dahak2150 Edited by: Dahak2150 on 04/08/2007 13:37:25
Originally by: FT Diomedes As necros go, it's not bad. At least he dredged up useful, still relevant information.
Unfortunately, it's not all quite helpful. In fact, some is downright misleading.
For example, "Angels do so little thermal and EM it's not worth worrying about."
I'd like to direct you to a Gist Malakim, a deadspace BS that does 88.53 explosive DPS, 22.13 kinetic DPS....and 562.5 EM DPS. If one is shield tanking because of the naturally high explosive resists, and didn't bother tanking EM or thermal because "it's not worth worrying about", they'd better hope there's no scramming frigates around.
562.5 EM DPS? No way, I fight these guys on my alt, and I guarentee you they do not do that much damage. Perhaps per missile? --
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