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CCP Leeloo
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2014.08.15 12:11:00 -
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CCP Leeloo here with a short but exciting announcement. We are ready for the CSM9 summer summit!
This year the summit will be held from 17th to 19th of September. Members of the CSM who will be attending the summit here in Reykjavik are:
- Ali Aras
- Sion Kumitomo
- Steve Ronuken
- Mynnna
- Sugar Kyle
- Mike Azariah
- Corbexx
Additionally, 7 members who wonGÇÖt be flying over will be able to join all meetings they want to online. WeGÇÖve adjusted the schedule, so most of the team will be able to join the sessions that they would like to be a part of.
This year, the CSM Summit will be full of exciting discussions. We will have members of various teams, including team security, marketing, analytics, development, community and many others. CSM9 will have a chance to go over the recap of this year with game design teams and also talk about future of EVE with the teams and our new Executive Producer, CCP Seagull.
After the summit is over, members of the CSM will be able to share some of their discoveries with the rest of the community. As always, a detailed report will be published traditionally in the Meeting Minutes format.
Please, feel free to leave your suggestion for the CSM members here. We will make sure to discuss all of your great ideas duting this summit <3 CCP Leeloo | CSM Coordinator | Russian Community Coordinator | @ccp_leeloo |
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Vladimi Jackinov
The A.M.A
0
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Posted - 2014.08.15 13:53:00 -
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Yey more ways to destroy the game for all indy guys coming right up |
Niko Lorenzio
United Eve Directorate
400
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Posted - 2014.08.15 13:55:00 -
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Hai!
Please fix industry! it is still broken :) Need ability to queue jobs. Increase the copy runs limit to 30 days max. Ability to hide the top part of industry. A compact version that displays materials in a list view like it does in BP show info window. Ability to filter out blueprints in use. It's great that we can see them but it sucks that we can't filter them out. PLEASE DO NOT LET THEM DUMB DOWN THE CORP MANAGEMENT! Make the roles more granular, clear and visible, but we need more options for corp management, not less.
Thank you for all the hard work, good luck and don't forget to have fun in Iceland! |
Gfy Trextron
Soul Takers
0
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Posted - 2014.08.15 14:13:00 -
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Hey how about discussing real ways to improve active players. Everything else will only make a great game better, that less and less people play.
Hey potential eve player and future Bloc lemming, we are spending all our time tweaking **** you will not care about for 1-2 years of playing and will never experiance because you never started.
Sincerely, Bitter Vet
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Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc Brave Collective
1249
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Posted - 2014.08.15 14:44:00 -
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Please, this time, release the minutes faster!
Its not that hard... Have someone write them during the discussion, with everyone having access to the document (like a google doc) through a pad or something to see what's being written live, and offer corrections on the fly if needed.
This way the minutes are almost done at the end of every meeting and all you need to do is substract NDAed parts.
No more multi-months waiting please! Signature Tanking - Best Tanking. Beware the french guy!
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CCP Leeloo
C C P C C P Alliance
365
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Posted - 2014.08.15 15:07:00 -
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Altrue wrote:Please, this time, release the minutes faster! Its not that hard... Have someone write them during the discussion, with everyone having access to the document (like a google doc) through a pad or something to see what's being written live, and offer corrections on the fly if needed. This way the minutes are almost done at the end of every meeting and all you need to do is substract NDAed parts. No more multi-months waiting please! We'll work on it CCP Leeloo | CSM Coordinator | Russian Community Coordinator | @ccp_leeloo |
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Mike Azariah
DemSal Corporation DemSal Unlimited
1356
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Posted - 2014.08.15 15:26:00 -
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Looking forward to it.
m Mike Azariah-á CSM8 and now CSM9 |
Ginger Barbarella
1994
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Posted - 2014.08.15 15:29:00 -
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Unedited, unfiltered stream(s) from the Summit? Or can we only expect high edited transcripts in a few months censored under the guise of "NDA"? "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac |
Mike Azariah
DemSal Corporation DemSal Unlimited
1357
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Posted - 2014.08.15 16:21:00 -
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Ginger Barbarella wrote:Unedited, unfiltered stream(s) from the Summit? Or can we only expect high edited transcripts in a few months censored under the guise of "NDA"?
Filtered, of course. This is not casual chat nor fanfest preapproved presentations we are talking about. We talk frankly and some of the topics would melt the forums.
As to the 'few months'? I for one hope to better that time.
NDA is not a guise, it is a safety mechanism that allows the CSM to actually look behind the curtain and do something.
Yes, I know I am feeding the trolls and a cute little green one you are, Ginger.
m
Mike Azariah-á CSM8 and now CSM9 |
Sable Moran
Moran Light Industries
410
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Posted - 2014.08.15 16:22:00 -
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Altrue wrote:Please, this time, release the minutes faster! Its not that hard... Have someone write them during the discussion, with everyone having access to the document (like a google doc) through a pad or something to see what's being written live, and offer corrections on the fly if needed. This way the minutes are almost done at the end of every meeting and all you need to do is substract NDAed parts. No more multi-months waiting please!
This bears repeating. The publishing of the minutes have been woefully inadequate. By the time the minutes are out most of the topics discussed are ancient history by a mile. Sable's Ammo Shop at Alentene V - Moon 4 - Duvolle Labs Factory. Hybrid charges, Projectile ammo, Missiles, Drones, Ships, Need'em? We have'em, at affordable prices. Pop in at our Ammo Shop in sunny Alentene. |
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Davian Thule Pirkibo
Event Horizon Consecution
0
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Posted - 2014.08.15 17:02:00 -
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Well i hope someone is gonna talk about fluid sov mechanics , so that people will actualy fight agressively for sov once more, rather then boring attritional warfare that led to the blue donut. |
Teoshen
Transcendent Innovations Incorporated The.Spanish.Inquisition
12
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Posted - 2014.08.15 17:37:00 -
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My main problem with NDA being thrown around so loosely is that there is little way to know who advocated for what in a lot of circumstances. How can I know that the people I vote for actually advocated what they said they would? It makes the voting rather pointless if there is no way to hold your representative(s) accountable. |
Ripard Teg
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
922
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Posted - 2014.08.15 17:48:00 -
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Altrue wrote:Please, this time, release the minutes faster! Its not that hard... Have someone write them during the discussion, with everyone having access to the document (like a google doc) through a pad or something to see what's being written live, and offer corrections on the fly if needed. This way the minutes are almost done at the end of every meeting and all you need to do is substract NDAed parts. No more multi-months waiting please! This is quite literally how it was done this past winter. We had a draft of the Minutes not too awfully different from what was actually presented to players done and back in CCP's hands by five days after the Summit.
The problem then becomes the fact that virtually everything in that document was NDA and about a release that was a couple of months away. CCP doesn't want the Minutes announcing new features for them. That's particularly true if in the intervening two months something proves more difficult to do than anticipated and a feature is dropped. The various teams get the right to approve the document for their pieces, which they're willing to do... after CCP gets the chance to announce those pieces.
So the CSM is left with a choice between "release the doc in pieces as each piece is announced" or "edit and strip the document down to just non-NDA stuff". Both of those choices are non-ideal. Past CSMs had the advantage of their summits being much closer to game release dates, but past CSMs also had much less influence. By the time stuff was presented to CSM5, say, it was pretty much done, in the game, and ready for Sisi. Much of the stuff presented to CSM8 was much more speculative and still in the design phase. It's part of the advantage of the CSM being involved much earlier in the process.
So it's gonna be a tricky balance for future CSMs to manage. aka Jester, who apparently was once entrusted to Wield The Banhammer to good effect. |
corebloodbrothers
Volition Cult The Volition Cult
629
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Posted - 2014.08.15 19:18:00 -
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Teoshen wrote:My main problem with NDA being thrown around so loosely is that there is little way to know who advocated for what in a lot of circumstances. How can I know that the people I vote for actually advocated what they said they would? It makes the voting rather pointless if there is no way to hold your representative(s) accountable.
Thats actually being discussed in the past week. As csm representatives sometimes the nda strangles you. And only sometimes players piece a csm and a feature together.
As new csm member i can tell i am flabbergasted at the amount of info and acces we get, and how serieusly we have been aproached and listened too. Thoguh different means we are in touch with alot of ideas and work in progress. For me i can name the access to null sec pi for outside allaince as a thing i ran with, and it now made hyperion, but most of the work is in the shadows, ccp is atm actually looking into to giving you all more insigts, how ofc is nda atm haha |
Teoshen
Transcendent Innovations Incorporated The.Spanish.Inquisition
14
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Posted - 2014.08.15 19:52:00 -
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corebloodbrothers wrote:Teoshen wrote:My main problem with NDA being thrown around so loosely is that there is little way to know who advocated for what in a lot of circumstances. How can I know that the people I vote for actually advocated what they said they would? It makes the voting rather pointless if there is no way to hold your representative(s) accountable. Thats actually being discussed in the past week. As csm representatives sometimes the nda strangles you. And only sometimes players piece a csm and a feature together. As new csm member i can tell i am flabbergasted at the amount of info and acces we get, and how serieusly we have been aproached and listened too. Thoguh different means we are in touch with alot of ideas and work in progress. For me i can name the access to null sec pi for outside allaince as a thing i ran with, and it now made hyperion, but most of the work is in the shadows, ccp is atm actually looking into to giving you all more insigts, how ofc is nda atm haha
Lol, of course. Glad to hear it's on people's mind, though, thank you. Sometimes just knowing "hey we would like to address this thing that concerns you guys" is a lot more helpful than NDA silence. |
QuickSwipe Collier
The Scope Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2014.08.15 20:23:00 -
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Lets Give ORE a Cov ops Shield Logi Drone Boat, god knows they need it |
mr roadkill
Mystery Incorporated
20
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Posted - 2014.08.15 20:42:00 -
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Will the integrating mechanics between EVE and Merc Gameplay be on the agenda? If so - Will the CPM be involved as well?
This subject needs to be discussed by both parties why not hit them all up at once. |
Mostlyharmlesss
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
122
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Posted - 2014.08.15 21:10:00 -
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Good job to the 7 people signing up to participate in the CSM and then being unable to actually attend the meetings in person! Follow me on Twitter for the latest regarding GoonSwarm Federation and our recruitment drives!https://twitter.com/EVE_MHarmlesss-á |
Niko Lorenzio
United Eve Directorate
402
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Posted - 2014.08.15 22:37:00 -
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Hang me by the noose but I would argue NDA shouldn't exist in EVE Online. I know it's hard to tell from the forum posts but this is a mature dedicated community. We would rather have early discussion on a proposed feature and have it dropped than not have a discussion at all. |
Dalilus
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
81
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Posted - 2014.08.15 22:42:00 -
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I bet the nullbear BWAAAAAAAmbulance is already making the rounds.....BWAAAAAA give me give me give me give me, BWAAAAAA I want I want I want I want, BWAAAAAA , BWAAAAA...... |
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RUS Comannder
Tremor Recorded Variable Enterprise Training Standards
41
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Posted - 2014.08.15 23:20:00 -
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I wonder if it would be too much to ask each CSM if they could, in a very short message, tell us how they developed the bullet points they want to present. I'm not asking what the ideas or areas of the game they want to address, but rather how they came about building their list.. The main thing I'm interested in is will they be representing themselves, themselves and a few friends, Their CEO/corp/ alliance, chat from some chat rooms, a specific part of space (hi.low.null,WH... In other words, what has informed them of things which need work, their own experience or who are they represent.
No one has asked me what I think and none of them I have written to have responded. Unless it is happenstance, I don't feel represented.
My first desire is to see ALL bots out of the game and a tutorial portion which must be completed, just a few minutes, so every player will know they have ONE strike and then an appeals process held in Siberia at which they must be present with a day's notice.
Closely behind or maybe equal - make RMT a little tougher on the enforcement side and a lot more active on the detection side. Even though a goal of zero happenings may not ever be achieved is not a reason to let up on trying and improving methods.
Give a lot of thought to offering a version with CO-OP play with about 40 players, 20-30 on each side who are assigned to the side with the fewest Humans at login and really tough AI who all will be slightly better equipped and trained, on average than the opposing human team, Give each round a constellation of 5 or 6 systems using hi, lo & null and a mission. That is essentially what you do with Incursions, but make this so it is separate from the rest of New Eden to keep interlopers out and not have contested sites. Be more creative with the missions so they are not choreographed like a dance routine. Have no recruitment by agenda laden FCs, Let players seeking a round to play have a list of missions currently running and who the members of the leadership are on both sides. Players can sign up for either side and will go in as losses occur keeping the human sides even. Good leaders are always more enjoyable to follow, so instead of agenda laden FCs, deciding who can and cannot play, players will choose the FC they want to follow and FCs select their replacements. Have Shield and Armor rounds. Let the game begin when each side has a certain number of players, maybe just one on each side. First one is the FC. Have the server constantly assessing the strength of the teams and adjusting the number of NPCs with slightly better equipment and training. Let each player be individually rewarded based on participation and critical participation. Participation would be just dps and damage done, but nothing extra for the player who happens to hang back to deliver the killing blow. Logis rewarded by the amount of repairs made not counted in ships repaired, but the real repairs. Let critical participation be when a player does the most damage to a critical enemy player or the most damage done to a significantly larger ship. Perhaps critical participation is taking more chance to rescue a damsel from a more heavily fortified position, or moving ore from one place to another thus taking control of a sentry gun from the enemy. Get rid of ten minute POS bash even in current incursions. Make a big dent in the wallet or standings so corps won't roll in to sabotage one side by killing fleetmates so their corpmates on the other side can do well. Something like an auto transfer of ISK from a saboteur's wallet to cover the expense caused by friendly fire and if the saboteur's wallet is not thick enough, hit the wallets of the corpmates in that mission. Use the strength of the NPCs to even out the shiny titan, carrier and dreadnought side against the all Drake opponent side. Have every NPC death replaced by a warp-in ship and fit that moves the balance between the two fleets more toward even. Also have some space set aside for pure player VS NPC, but let the proceeds from those missions either have lower values than PvP CO-OP or make the PVE CO-OP missions hard.
This could be offered as a totally separate game with a payment structure allowing CCP to profit while being thought of as a value to players. Much of the work is already done, though the balancing, restitution, waiting lists will require a lot of new coding, but I'm guessing a well set-up PvP/ PvE CO-OP server separate from the existing New Eden assets with mutual skill advancement, maybe implants crossed over or maybe a choice to crossover some or all implants and corp membership. Names would crossover or a player may start a new toon. Perhaps a first login one time only opportunity to crossover ISK, ships,etc... but never a crossover from the CO-OP side to the NEW Eden side. Create a NPC market priced with average prices from all of New Eden. No industrial activity or salvaging in CO-OP space. Players could only sell items bought from the CO-OP market, not any crossed over.
Please, I am offering this in this forum because I have not been able to be sure any of the CSM have not just deleted my messages and this seems all new to them. Please start another forum if anyone wants to comment or discuss the idea. I don't want to or be thought of as trying to hijack this forum.
Thanks! |
Mike Azariah
DemSal Corporation DemSal Unlimited
1359
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Posted - 2014.08.15 23:55:00 -
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Niko Lorenzio wrote:Hang me by the noose but I would argue NDA shouldn't exist in EVE Online. I know it's hard to tell from the forum posts but this is a mature dedicated community. We would rather have early discussion on a proposed feature and have it dropped than not have a discussion at all.
I see you are new here, let me show you 'local' or the forums General Discussion
WE are mature . . . to a point but then the http://handcannononline.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/internetdick_det_1024x1024.jpeg Greater Internet Theory of John Gabriel starts to kick in.
Not to mention the part about people thinking that if something is mentioned in passing then it must be about to ship and resulting chaos ensues.
You also assume that the only thing we (the CSM) see is purely in game assets and not more corporate type information that CCP might not want their competition to have easy access to.
The NDA is there for CCP's protection and sanity. CSM came in knowing we would know things and be unable to talk about them but we signed the paper so we could see what could be done.
m Mike Azariah-á CSM8 and now CSM9 |
Rekkr Nordgard
Imperial Reclaiming
415
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Posted - 2014.08.15 23:57:00 -
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So we should expect the minutes to be released sometime early 2015 then? |
Niko Lorenzio
United Eve Directorate
403
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Posted - 2014.08.16 00:30:00 -
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Mike Azariah wrote:Niko Lorenzio wrote:Hang me by the noose but I would argue NDA shouldn't exist in EVE Online. I know it's hard to tell from the forum posts but this is a mature dedicated community. We would rather have early discussion on a proposed feature and have it dropped than not have a discussion at all. I see you are new here, let me show you 'local' or the forums General Discussion WE are mature . . . to a point but then the http://handcannononline.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/internetdick_det_1024x1024.jpeg Greater Internet Theory of John Gabriel starts to kick in. Not to mention the part about people thinking that if something is mentioned in passing then it must be about to ship and resulting chaos ensues. You also assume that the only thing we (the CSM) see is purely in game assets and not more corporate type information that CCP might not want their competition to have easy access to. The NDA is there for CCP's protection and sanity. CSM came in knowing we would know things and be unable to talk about them but we signed the paper so we could see what could be done. m
Haha, that's why I said forums are a bad example of that. Also the reason I don't give forum posting alts any attention. If they hide their virtual character behind another fake character then I don't take anything they say seriously.
You can't deny the fact that behind all that noise there is very good and constructive feedback. One that would be a lot more useful in planning phase of a feature rather than after it's announced. Anything related to CCP as a company of course should be NDA, I did not realize you even had access to such things; when you start discussing features which will radically affect your players I think a little more input and early feedback would benefit everyone.
Not that I don't trust or think the CSM is not doing a good job but a dozen individuals cannot possibly make up for thousands of players and crazy ways they deal with things. |
Niko Lorenzio
United Eve Directorate
404
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Posted - 2014.08.16 03:30:00 -
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One more request/question.
Why is that we still don't have an official CSM channel in game? I know we have forum section dedicated for communicating with CSM but a channel would seem like a perfect addition to quickly get in touch with any/all CSM members online. It would also increase exposure to the CSM, make it easier to campaign and allow for player that don't want anything to do with the forums to casually meet and talk to the CSM members.
What do the members of CSM think about this idea? Do you think that such a channel would be too intrusive to your personal game time? |
mr roadkill
Mystery Incorporated
20
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Posted - 2014.08.16 06:09:00 -
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mr roadkill wrote:Will the integrating mechanics between EVE and Merc Gameplay be on the agenda? If so - Will the CPM be involved as well?
This subject needs to be discussed by both parties why not hit them all up at once.
Alot of people playing Mercs dont feel the integration mechanics leave enough room for EVE pilots to care what happens on the ground. for example in FW a system will flip weather you have merc support or not.
I realize this was done for a reason, that CCP didn't want to break EVE should Merc gameplay fail.... however from a MERC point of view it fails partially down to the fact that Mercs are not needed to achieve anything.
I.e. EVE mechanics need to change to make merc players more utilized - Be they DUST or Legion (if it gets the go ahead).
Quoting for attention. Seems like you have to ***** about the NDA or minutes round here to get a responce. |
Mike Azariah
DemSal Corporation DemSal Unlimited
1363
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Posted - 2014.08.16 07:51:00 -
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Niko Lorenzio wrote:One more request/question.
Why is that we still don't have an official CSM channel in game? I know we have forum section dedicated for communicating with CSM but a channel would seem like a perfect addition to quickly get in touch with any/all CSM members online. It would also increase exposure to the CSM, make it easier to campaign and allow for player that don't want anything to do with the forums to casually meet and talk to the CSM members.
What do the members of CSM think about this idea? Do you think that such a channel would be too intrusive to your personal game time?
There was one, back in the day, and it was very very quiet so it withered on the vine
http://csm9.org/contact.php this page (not to mention the wensite it is part of) is a good start. Not all of us monitor all the various means of communication. Me, I try for twitter, answer most of my evemail, and patrol parts of the forums. That is why you see more of me than the others
As to representing? Whenever I am in a fleet I talk openly and ask questions. You can ask several incursion communities if they have heard from me lately. I appear on multiple eve radio casts as well as Podside and High Drag. With the NDA clutched to my breast I do my best to answer questions that come my way.
Whoever you think represents you . . .contact them.
BUT
You great idea for a nija cap killer that can tabk blappy dreads and has immunity to all e-war is nice . . . and called a Polaris. Even if we agree that it would be cool . . . some ideas we don't take right to CCP because we KNOW the answer.
Kind of the reverse of the legendary Goon philosophy. We don't want to make your game better, we want the make THE GAME better.
m Mike Azariah-á CSM8 and now CSM9 |
Niko Lorenzio
United Eve Directorate
404
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Posted - 2014.08.16 13:08:00 -
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Mike Azariah wrote:Niko Lorenzio wrote:One more request/question.
Why is that we still don't have an official CSM channel in game? I know we have forum section dedicated for communicating with CSM but a channel would seem like a perfect addition to quickly get in touch with any/all CSM members online. It would also increase exposure to the CSM, make it easier to campaign and allow for player that don't want anything to do with the forums to casually meet and talk to the CSM members.
What do the members of CSM think about this idea? Do you think that such a channel would be too intrusive to your personal game time? There was one, back in the day, and it was very very quiet so it withered on the vine http://csm9.org/contact.php this page (not to mention the wensite it is part of) is a good start. Not all of us monitor all the various means of communication. Me, I try for twitter, answer most of my evemail, and patrol parts of the forums. That is why you see more of me than the others As to representing? Whenever I am in a fleet I talk openly and ask questions. You can ask several incursion communities if they have heard from me lately. I appear on multiple eve radio casts as well as Podside and High Drag. With the NDA clutched to my breast I do my best to answer questions that come my way. Whoever you think represents you . . . contact them. BUT You great idea for a ninja cap killer that can tank blappy dreads and has immunity to all e-war is nice . . . and called a Polaris. Even if we agree that it would be cool . . . some ideas we don't take right to CCP because we KNOW the answer. Kind of the reverse of the legendary Goon philosophy. We don't want to make your game better, we want to make THE GAME better. m
Oh I know, I participate and listen to those. I was just thinking of reaching a wider audience and making CSM members more accessible to the rest of the community. That's still a shame about the channel as it would also allow for casual comments in passing. I've caught you being wrong on some mechanics several times, but not wrong enough to warrant a mail or a forum post etc.
I'm not sure what idea you're referring to, I never proposed such a ship as that would be insane. I'm guessing you're referring to my posts on the Sov Mechanic thread. Those were just random darts being thrown around to trigger ideas/discussion, not part of a single proposed ship. I always think about how mechanics affect the game and argue for those that would improve everyone's experience even if it's at the cost of my own. |
Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
2480
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Posted - 2014.08.16 13:22:00 -
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The CSM9 summer minutes in advance:
'We discussed stuff which we are not at liberty to tell you.
The few bits we are at liberty to tell you, you will have already seen in the game by the time the official minutes are released.
Thank you for your time'. This is not a signature. |
Sion Kumitomo
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
24
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Posted - 2014.08.16 14:23:00 -
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If there's any risk of the minutes being released in a timely manner, I hereby pledge to do my level best to sandbag them or lose them in a black hole.
We brainstormed all kinds of different ways to say that the minutes were delayed, would be a real shame not to get to use them. |
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