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Baggo Hammers
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Posted - 2015.02.07 02:12:38 -
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Turmeric Jones wrote:My issue with the hacking minigame is that it is so freaking random. Besides loot drops(which should be random!), invention and wrecking shots, nothing else in eve is random. 99% of the game comes down to pure player skill and player decisions. .
Nothing is random now? Cool!
So the hacking game should be the same each time? Great idea you will do well.
If you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there.
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Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
219
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Posted - 2015.02.07 09:57:35 -
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Turmeric Jones wrote:And the can right before the one linked, I cleared the entire field except for half a dozen subsystems, with no way to know which one was next to the core.
Numbers that appears when you click on node are there for a reason, the lower the number the closer you are to system core, data caches and utility subsystems. I'm totaly agree there should be option for non hackers but with adequate penalty.
"...genre is a definition, the definition in itself must have boundaries, the boundaries act as barriers, and the barriers are like walls, like the walls of a prisonn++..."
The Good, The Bad and The Bantam
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Turmeric Jones
Guardians of the Gate
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Posted - 2015.02.09 03:20:05 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:
sounds like you don't know how to play minesweeper
Minesweeper leaves the numbers brah. |
Baggo Hammers
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Posted - 2015.02.09 03:37:53 -
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Numbers are for those who move their lips when they read.
If you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there.
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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
1372
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Posted - 2015.02.09 03:47:02 -
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You can always take an Echelon - 130/40 with skills at 5, no need for rigs. |
Turmeric Jones
Guardians of the Gate
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Posted - 2015.02.09 03:47:13 -
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In the interest in having an actual conversation, please tell me how much of eve is random besides what I listed. I know how to play the minesweeper aspect, it doesn't change a single part of what I said. |
Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
219
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Posted - 2015.02.09 09:45:02 -
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Turmeric Jones wrote:^ WTF IS THAT. It is not satisfying, it is b***s***. And the can right before the one linked, I cleared the entire field except for half a dozen subsystems, with no way to know which one was next to the core.
System cores, are for the most cases, at the opposed edge of the grid most of the time. I had same location as you few times (even better, first node after starting area), it's a flaw in grids starting "in the middle" and not on the edge. It's also hardest ones if SC is not few first nodes after start. As for randomnes, even minesweeper have some of it.
"...genre is a definition, the definition in itself must have boundaries, the boundaries act as barriers, and the barriers are like walls, like the walls of a prisonn++..."
The Good, The Bad and The Bantam
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Shiloh Templeton
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
233
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Posted - 2015.02.09 13:54:20 -
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Turmeric Jones wrote:In the interest in having an actual conversation, please tell me how much of eve is random besides what I listed. I know how to play the minesweeper aspect, it doesn't change a single part of what I said. Would Eve be better if there was more randomness? The way rats spawn in Lvl 4 missions, for example.
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Turmeric Jones
Guardians of the Gate
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Posted - 2015.02.09 16:35:17 -
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Shiloh Templeton wrote:Turmeric Jones wrote:In the interest in having an actual conversation, please tell me how much of eve is random besides what I listed. I know how to play the minesweeper aspect, it doesn't change a single part of what I said. Would Eve be better if there was more randomness? The way rats spawn in Lvl 4 missions, for example.
Absolutely not. Randomness despite player decision = frustration is my entire point. |
Spugg Galdon
APOCALYPSE LEGION
The Obsidian Front
610
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Posted - 2015.02.10 09:38:33 -
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I'm not sure why you think that you should be "all powerful" when it comes to hacking as a capsuleer.
You talk about how this is the future and you should just be able to upload the virus and BAM! you're in.
But if this is the future then surely the anti-hacking software would have also advanced to be near impossible to hack. Which is why you have to manually hack through the nodes, which now actually tell you which way to go with the numbers and stuff.
So what if the mini game takes up some of your time? Isn't that the idea?
Also, when you actually make it to the top end of hacking, even though I have perfect skills, loads of experience and best equipment going. Damn! some of those hacks are challenging. You know, in the good way. Like I feel I've actually earned the loot instead of being a benefits bum and expecting everything to be just handed to me because you deserve it
I also enjoy the randomness of the hacks. I don't want to hack the same system over and over again. Then it would be tedious.
I can't wait for the mini game to get more features too. These multi core and multi level hacks sound like really good fun. Bring it on. |
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Bagatur I
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
45
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Posted - 2015.02.10 16:00:29 -
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EVE is a sandbox, isnt it? you can do whatever you want to do. also, you dont have to do what you dont feel like doing. what is all the whining about? |
Baggo Hammers
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Posted - 2015.02.10 17:19:21 -
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Not everyone hacks in high-sec like many of the whiners appear to. The hacking is to render you somewhat vulnerable to attack. Ya know PvP.
If you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there.
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Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
231
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Posted - 2015.02.10 21:56:42 -
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Baggo Hammers wrote:Not everyone hacks in high-sec like many of the whiners appear to. The hacking is to render you somewhat vulnerable to attack. Ya know PvP.
Shhh. The grid in hisec is small compared to nullsec. Do not scare the prey...
There is cargo scanner to avoid unecessary hacking, not every can must be hacked.
"...genre is a definition, the definition in itself must have boundaries, the boundaries act as barriers, and the barriers are like walls, like the walls of a prisonn++..."
The Good, The Bad and The Bantam
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ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
369
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Posted - 2015.02.17 09:24:59 -
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I am not a fan of the hacking minigame either but I know a lot of people seem to like it so if more people like it than don't it seems like it should stay. I mean you can make improvements but if you are in the minority don't expect the devs to change it just to suit you.
One thing that I can say seems a bit silly is that the hacking mini game and the archaeology minigame are the exact same thing. I'd love to see archaeology become something different so there was some choice or variance. If not then why not just drop one of the skills and make the other mod work in both situations and refund the SP.
I mean at least with say lazors versus projectiles there are some differences and you have to pick and choose when, where and how you use each. With hacking and archaeology both the mods look almost the same and the mechanics are nearly identical. |
Tamtaman
Perkone
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2015.02.19 20:35:41 -
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The game is alright, only too much clicking.
1. Fewer clicks ( or most hackers will get carpal tunnel)
2. More cerebral .... its pretty dull and boring as it is.
3. less laggy.. sometimes my whole Eve client gets REALLY slow when i do too many of those ( mem leak perhaps? ) |
Dinassan
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2015.02.28 07:18:01 -
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The mini-game is extremely tedious and mind-numbing after just a few cans let alone trying to do it for a few hours. The people that actually like this "game" are only doing one or two sites at a time or they are simple minded. As for the people saying they are hacking cans in 15 seconds, I don't believe you are opening cans in null-sec in that amount of time. If that was the case it would be somewhat tolerable, but it still wouldn't be fun. I'm not looking for an I win button, I don't mind failing hacks, I don't mind the can blowing up in my face with millions of isk worth of loot in it as long as it's fun. This is not fun, it's on the complete opposite end of the spectrum from fun, it's monotonous, it's boring, it's down right asinine. Exploration itself is great, I love sneaking around in w-space, and null-sec, trying to stay alive because it's fun. This mini-game, it's not fun. NOT FUN! |
Odeva Pawen
Aideron Robotics
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Posted - 2015.02.28 08:02:43 -
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Anyone else notice that the core seems to be in more random places now? Before, it was that the core would usually be on the opposite side of the start, but now, that's not guaranteed.
Sabriz For CSMX!
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Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
149
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Posted - 2015.02.28 08:51:53 -
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Tamtaman wrote:
3. less laggy.. sometimes my whole Eve client gets REALLY slow when i do too many of those ( mem leak perhaps? )
Noticed lag too, after the patch with the numbers, sometimes the mini-game can't keep up with me clicking the nodes. Sometimes it takes more than 2s to reveal an utility node. Never had lag before that time with the mini-game.
I'm my own NPC alt.
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Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
231
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Posted - 2015.02.28 13:42:52 -
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Dinassan wrote:As for the people saying they are hacking cans in 15 seconds, I don't believe you are opening cans in null-sec in that amount of time
It more or less the amount of time i hack single can in null, 15 to 20 seconds. Sometimes faster. You don't have to believe me.
"...genre is a definition, the definition in itself must have boundaries, the boundaries act as barriers, and the barriers are like walls, like the walls of a prisonn++..."
The Good, The Bad and The Bantam
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Tsukino Stareine
Sock Robbers Inc.
Low-Class
1044
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Posted - 2015.02.28 15:36:20 -
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it can vary but if the can isn't trolling me 15 seconds is a fair guesstimate of average can success. |
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Poena Loveless
Merchants Trade Consortium
The Last Chancers.
2
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Posted - 2015.03.06 08:35:25 -
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I only do c5/null cans. Perfect skills takes less than a couple minutes. I like it. Not exactly for the fun of the mini game but the fact it is a distraction that creates pvp opportunities. |
Orlacc
831
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Posted - 2015.03.06 15:37:09 -
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No null cans in a C5
"Measure Twice, Cut Once."
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