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Shadowblayde
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Posted - 2006.07.19 20:49:00 -
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For those who have missed the plot:
My name is Shadowblayde. I'm a Vherokior and I stole some guys ore then felt very guilty and gave him the money I got. Went on Galnet and discussed it with everyone. I saw the error of my ways Decided to repent and not do it again.
Two days ago I joined a new corp. I won't give you the name of the corp or their alliance but you can check my employment history if you wish to do so.
Today they kicked me out. The evemail I got was:
"I'm sorry Shadow, but orders have come down from the alliance that we cannot keep a self-confessed ore thief in our corporation - the negative attention you would attract would be dangerous and they also cannot take the risk that you would turn on us."
No questions or requests for explanations.
Just kicked out.
No forgiveness, no second chances.
Is ore theft the worst crime in Eve ? How many times has someone podded someone else and we say "that's life".
I saw a guy being attacked yesterday in low sec space by two guys with skulls in the overview. I asked my corp mate if she thought I should go help him. "No" she replied. "Only if the victim was a corp or alliance mate or if the aggressors were enemies" she continued. And yet it was people like her who judged me and decided I was guilty of an unforgivable crime. I stole ore once and felt guilty. Gave the guy money to compensate him for his loss - ask him. His name is DugHawk.
The corp CEO said "I can't forgive you because I don't condemn you - it is simply beyond my control. I do wish you all the best, though."
Why is it beyond her control. She was the CEO ? All I ask is a second chance. Is that too much to ask ?
How many times have YOU been given a second chance ? That is all I ask.
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Pezzle
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.19 21:06:00 -
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If you seemed sincere in your want of forgiveness things might be different. You do not seem convincing to me. In one breath you claim to feel bad for the person you robbed, and then you say anything not nailed down is up for grabs. So you sent him money, was it more or less or equal to the value of the theft? Did you ever offer an apology?
You further try to justify the theft with examples of activity in deep space and pilots shooting each other? Second chances are a fine thing, if you display behavior that has suggested a difference, have you? More importantly do your former superiors think you have?
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Shadowblayde
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Posted - 2006.07.19 21:13:00 -
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Originally by: Pezzle If you seemed sincere in your want of forgiveness things might be different. You do not seem convincing to me. In one breath you claim to feel bad for the person you robbed, and then you say anything not nailed down is up for grabs. So you sent him money, was it more or less or equal to the value of the theft? Did you ever offer an apology?
When I started the thread, no I wasn't but I must have felt guilty to give him money in the first place. By the end of the thread, I was convinced of the error of my ways.
When I transferred the money to him, I included an apology.
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Ryas Nia
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.19 21:19:00 -
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The best criminals always have the best lies, excusess and apologies. Your best bet is to stop reminding people of your criminal nature and pray they forget.
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Tsual
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.19 21:23:00 -
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Looks like bad luck kid. With enough time the events might be forgotten by the majority, you just have to keep your head down long enough, or you can counter repent and join that one Jin Mei who's name somehow slipped me.
******************** Moral is only usefull so far as society demands it from one to accept his presence.
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Shurikane
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Posted - 2006.07.19 23:10:00 -
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You've failed your PR! Not a single corp would want to have an employee known to have committed crimes - unless said corp was criminal in itself.
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Regat Kozovv
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.19 23:13:00 -
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Such is EVE. EVE is not fair, EVE is not understanding. EVE gives you the freedom to steal from others if you so choose, something many other games would not give. But the flip side is that you are held responsible for your actions by your peers. In my opinion this is an excellent example of the game and the community working exactly as it should.
I give no reccomendation as to whether you should be "forgiven" or not. But convincing people is in a way, part of the game. In a way, the your situtation is interesting in that just like someone in real life, you have a mark on you that you need to get rid of. How you deal with that contributes to your character and the character of EVE as a whole.
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couger malthas
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.20 02:05:00 -
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i say stone and quarter Shadowblayde, people who steal or from anyone other then macro miners need to forgivness.
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Immad Hadaioki
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Posted - 2006.07.20 05:33:00 -
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I wuld say its a mistake of letting them know after, not before joining. Many corporations have no-piracy policy and just kick pirates and thieves by default, so its nothing personal I think. Procedures do not forgive. Join another corp :)
More over, I dont think that stealing ore and then returning or refounding it is any evil. Its something that regularly happens when stealing from "automaton" pilots supposely controlled and mining for rogue drone hives or sansha nation [ooc: macroers]
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Shadowblayde
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Posted - 2006.07.20 06:22:00 -
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I have decided to hand in my pilots licence and go back home and be a farmer.
Perhaps corporations should change their thought processes from zero tolerance. After all, a pirate can work his way back from a negative security setting by doing good. How can I prove my repentence except by being given a second chance.
My final words:
Judge not lest ye be judged Amarr Scripture
To err is human, to forgive divine Gallente play
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Immad Hadaioki
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Posted - 2006.07.20 07:53:00 -
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In fact, You have a million second chances. You can join any of thousands other corps and never care of Your past. However, if one minor faiure makes You end Your career, its probably better now then later. Being pod pilot requires psychical resistance.
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Lufio II
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.20 08:46:00 -
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What you have lost is the hardest to gain in EVE: your reputation. There will be people who will not care about it at all, because the do not read GalNet and won't know what you did, but it's likely they get warned by your former Corp when they notice you in the new corp.
What can you doabout it, well, be honest about your past, and stick to your new ways. Eventually you will find someone who gives you a second chance to prove yourself. Most importantly, let your actions speak for themself. Slowly you will be able to rebuild your reputation, with the people you care for.
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Elsebeth Rhiannon
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.20 08:50:00 -
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Edited by: Elsebeth Rhiannon on 20/07/2006 08:51:44 All respect to your former corporation and alliance. Zero tolerance of criminal activity is actually fairly uncommon in space...
I am sure if you look a bit further you will find a corporation and alliance who do not give a damn about your past... Then stick to what you believe is right, and this initial nonsense might in time be forgotten.
Peace in a pod - Liberty Network Gradient is hiring
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Ridean
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Posted - 2006.07.20 09:13:00 -
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Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon Edited by: Elsebeth Rhiannon on 20/07/2006 08:51:44 All respect to your former corporation and alliance. Zero tolerance of criminal activity is actually fairly uncommon in space...
I am sure if you look a bit further you will find a corporation and alliance who do not give a damn about your past... Then stick to what you believe is right, and this initial nonsense might in time be forgotten.
yea I actually havnt seen many corps that have even asked me if I participated in criminal activities. I havn't but thats not the point :D
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Shadowblayde
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Posted - 2006.07.20 09:39:00 -
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Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon Edited by: Elsebeth Rhiannon on 20/07/2006 08:51:44 All respect to your former corporation and alliance. Zero tolerance of criminal activity is actually fairly uncommon in space...
I am sure if you look a bit further you will find a corporation and alliance who do not give a damn about your past... Then stick to what you believe is right, and this initial nonsense might in time be forgotten.
Elsebeth Rhiannon - Will Gradient and Namtz'aar k'in give me a second chance ?
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RNGD Maniac
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.20 11:36:00 -
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Edited by: RNGD Maniac on 20/07/2006 11:38:13 Innovo Exorsus, by nature is a Piracy corp but also mines and Pvp's, Want a second Chance? il give you it, get you to know our mining expert or our combat experts and teach ya a few things, we are a no holds barred corp, anything goes, Fair PVP/PVE Piracy, mining, trade, we allow all, end of day we are a nice lil corp.
Send an Evemail to RNGD Maniac or go to -
Reblier VI Federal Navy Logistic or Masalle XI Stn and Apply, make sure u put "Lance Said So" n it'll get processed.
were a corp that dont look badly on your past only future.
for security reasons all members must give a Screenshot of your Char Selection Screen to CEO or me the Co CEO and then its deleted. Safty and discression assured and you get to be friends with our lil bunch of misfits and friends.
goes for anyone else who is having a hard time cos of criminal activities or bad standings aswel. come say hello to us.
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Mr Vapor
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.20 12:12:00 -
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You're Minmatar. If you've repented good. If not then so be it. Either you can earn that trust or not. If you're looking for a corp to reclaim whatever it is some think you've lost, give me a yell. I'll give ya a job possibly after I talk to ya.
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Elsebeth Rhiannon
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.20 12:14:00 -
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As I said, there are corporations in space who do not give a damn about your past... though if you are serious about this repenting, many of them might not be what you want to consider.
As for Gradient, there are precedents. Both saying we might, and saying we might not. I don't promise anything, but you are free to contact the public channel "Gradient" just as anyone else, explain your situation, and talk to a recruiter.
Peace in a pod - Liberty Network Gradient is hiring
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RNGD Maniac
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.20 12:25:00 -
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works every time, one offers the rest follows, but the offer is still true, just gis a shout and il sort ya out.
can thank me later lols Teh MaNiAC is in Town! |
Tishlin Veredici
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.20 19:29:00 -
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Karma's a *****, aint it? -------------------------------------------------- Pilot of the Vexor Killing Time and the Exequror Purchasing Power
A Storm is coming... |
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Eldo Davip
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Posted - 2006.07.20 20:02:00 -
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Thread cleaned, please stay follow the Galnet Rules
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Nyphur
Pillowsoft Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.07.22 17:33:00 -
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Consequences suck sometimes, but I think that's one of the best things about eve - there are consequences for your actions. The simple answer is to ignore it and it will go away. Keeping a thread on the forum active about it is a surefire way to spread the word of your initial deed.
As for second chances, hmm.. A couple of times, though I have always been the CEO. I once found an abandoned POS with modules all around it. I asked around in the area and they told me it had been abandoned for over six months. I decided that I would destroy the control tower and scoop the modules for fun and profit. About 1/3 into the shield, I was convo'd by someone who wanted to know why I was sieging their corp's POS. Turned out they had moved to fight a war in the north and the person who owned that POS quit the game. It ran out of fuel and they forgot about it. they were now moving back and asked that I stop firing.
I agreed to stop the siege... but I continued. I didn't tell my corpmates about the convo and I decided that we would need backup if we were to kill it in time. I called in the local anti-pirate force I was friends with and asked for their help. "It's been abandoned for months", I told them. The real owners came into the anti-pirate channel and said that some pirates from a corp called Pillowsoft were sieging their tower. My corpmates were confused and I explained the situation... then I apologised. One of my corpmates, who is always really friendly, got upset that they had just done that. The locals were mad at me, and I was mad at myself. I apologised and that's all I really could do.
I made a mistake. I appologised and I think they just forgot about it over time... a second chance of sorts. But one thing's for sure, it's a learning experience and a character-defining experience.
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