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Chrytis
Sacred Templars DARKNESS.
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Posted - 2014.08.20 22:45:00 -
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You are the weakest blink, good bye.
Being banned from blink many times, for writing browser plugins to help you play more blink (and not being reimbursed), I feel justice. hows that ToS now, Somer? |
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
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Posted - 2014.08.20 22:53:00 -
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Synar Earthoof wrote:So let me get this straight. Buying a plex... and then trading it for isk. Is now bannable. That's essentially the short of why you went after Somer. Since it doesn't look like you could get financial logs to prove a kick back.
Essentialy: I buy plex from EvE site normally. I prefer to use Markee, and then I just dump it on market for about 15% above market average. Thus increasing my potential isk markup because someone is always dumb enough to buy without looking.
Because someone just payed me 15% more isk than a plex was worth at the time, I should in essence now be banned for having sold that isk on the market at a substantial mark up. That isk is then funneled into either manufacturing new ships, or used to be into blink so I could just blink on random stuff and then collect the isk payouts from them.
Cause in this case, god forbid I want to use any of the lottery sites as the logic instated puts me clearly in the wrong because I sell my plex's at a mark up, and then use the isk to gamble my day away at work when i can't play EvE.
*waits to get slapped in cuffs*
Hodor!! The Tears Must Flow |
Enaris Kerle
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.08.20 22:54:00 -
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Synar Earthoof wrote:So let me get this straight. Buying a plex... and then trading it for isk. Is now bannable. No, but nice strawman. Gallente born and raised, and tutored as a pleasure slave and courtesan to the exotic tastes of the Amarri court. Jade's career veered violently off course when a diplomatic envoy's transport was blown to pieces in mysterious circumstances and she was rescued from the escape pods by the enigmatic genetic mastermind Athule Snanm. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.08.20 22:55:00 -
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Dutow Sa wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Dutow Sa wrote:To me, it's very clear from that document Yes, hindsight is 20/20. But remember also that this was in an discussion with the VP of Sales, who may not even play the game at all. And again, he explicitly stated the Blink would offer no extra ISK for buying through the link - a lie. Who was asked to forward it to the legal department, and reply with a written confirmation after that. Any lawyer can figure out, that the 'for buying through the link' means exactly that part, and not the entire process.
I don't think "see they were only trying to pull the wool over CCP's head" is a good defense Twitter: @EVEAndski
"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -á-á - Abrazzar |
Garai Nolen
Xyjax
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Posted - 2014.08.20 22:59:00 -
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Synar Earthoof wrote:So let me get this straight. Buying a plex... and then trading it for isk. Is now bannable. That's essentially the short of why you went after Somer. Since it doesn't look like you could get financial logs to prove a kick back.
This is what we might call "oversimplification". As usual, oversimplification tends to obfuscate the actual problem. In your case you've completely missed everything that made it RMT.
Synar Earthoof wrote:Essentialy: I buy plex from EvE site normally. I prefer to use Markee, and then I just dump it on market for about 15% above market average. Thus increasing my potential isk markup because someone is always dumb enough to buy without looking.
Yep, that's fine."Dumb Person" did NOT exchange $ for ISK, nor did YOU receive $ in exchange for ISK. Markee got $, you got PLEX. You took PLEX and sold it for ISK. Dumb Person got PLEX in exchange for ISK. There is no connection of $ and ISK anywhere between Dumb Person and you. That is not at all what Somer was proposing.
What Somer was proposing connected $ and ISK between them and the EVE player, by trying to obfuscate some steps through Markee (and other shenanigans). The exact details of how this happened are important and you can't just simplify them out of the picture to try and make your point. The exact details are also extremely well explained elsewhere, over and over, so I'm not doing it again here just for you. EVEoj - EVE Online JavaScript library: http://eve-oj.xyjax.com/ |
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CCP Falcon
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Posted - 2014.08.20 22:59:00 -
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Okay... so, lets get this started!
Some answers...
SomeDudeInLocal wrote:Are users who made use of the recent service also subject to punishment regarding the incident?
In particular, anyone that may have used the service in faith of Somer having the now invalid Approval from CCP?
Absolutely not.
Frantico wrote:I get why he got banned. BUT with banning him you also banned almost 30% of all the Unique ships in eve alliance turney ships of old and other ships that just dont exist anywhere else its alot of history that has been in 1 persons assets. for a game that is built around its rich history.
so what ccp should do is hold a auction of the seized Unique ships that way ccp can get eve history ships back out there to the public AND get alot of isk out of the game back to ccp.
whatever you choose to do CCP dont ruin the eve History by removing these ships from the game
We do not remove ISK or assets from banned accounts to re-distribute them into the game, regardless of their rarity or value.
Two step wrote:Are you concerned that banning Somer might lock up ISK/assets that could otherwise be used to repay players?
Not in the slightest.
Alli Ginthur wrote:The whole E1 debacle ended with a anonymous quiet ban. This should have happened here also. But what's done is done.
The Erotica 1 case was based around harassment, and nothing was released to protect those who were harassed. Please don't rumor monger.
Anya Klibor wrote:Brahan Seer wrote:Ridiculous. You want fair than yeah you should be banned siggy creators should be banned killboards should be banned. They get isk and have an account business related. The EULA clearly states you can't have an EvE account or play EvE for business purposes. Do I think thats right? No. But its the rules so if were going to **** SomerBlink than everyone should get ****** equally for that is justice. You are all types of dumb.
Honestly, I've never read fifty shades of gray, but I agree. I honestly feel like I just read fifty shades of dumb.
Riela Tanal wrote:I do not see this in your FAQ. Falcon, does this have any impact on the prizes that SOMER Blink donated for Theomachy?
In what respect?
If they have already been paid out, and you're worried they'll be confiscated, no. We're not going to reprimand members of the community for using their services.
If they are still to be paid out, and are on any of the affected accounts, this is an issue you'll have to take up with SOMER Blink.
James Amril-Kesh wrote:Again, if you feel that TMC is doing RMT, report them. [email protected]Just don't get mad and all "grrrr ccp is goons" when nothing happens, because you'd be refusing to acknowledge the significantly more likely possibility that you're simply wrong about it.
This.
Deka Ekato wrote:CCP,
- Can you please clarify that one of the reasons that Somer was punnished for was for RMT?
As I said in the original statement, we're not discussing this. CCP Falcon || Community Manager || @CCP_Falcon
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Geenemen
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.08.20 23:01:00 -
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Synar Earthoof wrote:So let me get this straight. Buying a plex... and then trading it for isk. Is now bannable.
You don't understand the concept of what's going on here, so let me give you an explanation as if you were five.
CCP likes money. They like money because money makes them stay in business. One of the ways they make money is through the sale, with real dollars, of an in game item called a PLEX.
CCP also wants to make sure people know about their really awesome game, so they make offers to big websites that have a lot of traffic. "Hey," they say. "If you let us advertise our game on your website, we will pay you for every time we make a sale."
This is great for websites like Twitch TV, or maybe even penny arcade. They have no dealings with EVE Online except in that they generate revenue.
Some enterprising people, however, thought to themselves that if they made a website, they could make money by dealing in plexes and ISK. They decide that they want to make people come to their website that gambles using the in game currency by offering to buy this in game item with real money, THROUGH THEIR ADVERTISEMENT. As if that wasn't bad enough, the person said "Oh, and by the way, this is totally legit, CCP says it's okay and official!" When he has blatantly lied. CCP has stated that this is *not* true.
CCP doesn't mind giving you money to advertise, but that's what the program was. Advertisement. Not a way to cycle money. |
Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.08.20 23:02:00 -
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I find is extraordinarily amazing that there's so many threads, blogs and official posts about this, and still some people seem to be unable to comprehend what Somer did wrong. How do you even get your underwear on in the morning? All by yourselves? It's a genuine mystery. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. Chrysus Industries - Savings made simple!
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Rroff
Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
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Posted - 2014.08.20 23:02:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote: If they are still to be paid out, and are on any of the affected accounts, this is an issue you'll have to take up with SOMER Blink.
Who through your actions can't really do anything about it. So you might as well say "your stuffed" rather than dance around the point. |
hamham
AiaMiciCuDeaiaMare Northern Associates.
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Posted - 2014.08.20 23:02:00 -
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hehehe where there is always money "isk" corruption big aliances not buy plexes ?
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Brahan Seer
EVE Protection Agency Bloodline.
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Posted - 2014.08.20 23:09:00 -
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Wow 50 shades of dumb, nice professionalism Falcon. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
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Posted - 2014.08.20 23:10:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Honestly, I've never read fifty shades of gray, but I agree. I honestly feel like I just read fifty shades of dumb. And this is why we <3 you (no homo)
Brahan Seer wrote:Wow 50 shades of dumb, nice professionalism Falcon. If you didn't post dumb stuff, then you wouldn't get called out on it.
Simples. "It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."-á - Abrazzar
Nil mortifi sine lucre. |
Nelly Galbatha
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.08.20 23:10:00 -
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Anya Klibor wrote:Brahan Seer wrote:Ridiculous. You want fair than yeah you should be banned siggy creators should be banned killboards should be banned. They get isk and have an account business related. The EULA clearly states you can't have an EvE account or play EvE for business purposes. Do I think thats right? No. But its the rules so if were going to **** SomerBlink than everyone should get ****** equally for that is justice. You are all types of dumb.
Honestly, I've never read fifty shades of gray, but I agree. I honestly feel like I just read fifty shades of dumb.
CCP Falcon MY HERO <3 |
Geenemen
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.08.20 23:11:00 -
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Brahan Seer wrote:Wow 50 shades of dumb, nice professionalism Falcon.
Excellent way to advance the conversation. |
Hendrick Tallardar
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
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Posted - 2014.08.20 23:12:00 -
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Brahan Seer wrote:Wow 50 shades of dumb, nice professionalism Falcon.
You could contact CCP's HR if you feel inclined to do so. That or ***** on forums in a spat of rage. Whichever you want really. LeeSsang. Never Forget. |
Nelly Galbatha
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.08.20 23:12:00 -
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Brahan Seer wrote:Wow 50 shades of dumb, nice professionalism Falcon.
Are you one of the people that should feel insulted by this call out? if your this stupid you deserve it.
CCP FALCON MY HERO |
Frantico
Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2014.08.20 23:13:00 -
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"We do not remove ISK or assets from banned accounts to re-distribute them into the game, regardless of their rarity or value."
well actualy you do you did it with Plexes, So there is presidence for this action beeing taken
*edited* https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=336609
feels dumb i have tell ccp what ccp has done but sure |
Verneusses
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.08.20 23:13:00 -
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Brahan Seer wrote:Wow 50 shades of dumb, nice professionalism Falcon. rekt
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Rust Martialis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.08.20 23:14:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:
Honestly, I've never read fifty shades of gray, but I agree. I honestly feel like I just read fifty shades of dumb.
Yippee kai yay, Mister Falcon! |
Garai Nolen
Xyjax
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Posted - 2014.08.20 23:15:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Honestly, I've never read fifty shades of gray, but I agree. I honestly feel like I just read fifty shades of dumb.
Did you know they're making this into a movie?! And they had the audacity to not make it a XXX flick. Honestly, I just don't see the point otherwise.
EVEoj - EVE Online JavaScript library: http://eve-oj.xyjax.com/ |
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Mike Azariah
DemSal Corporation DemSal Unlimited
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Posted - 2014.08.20 23:17:00 -
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Told ya
Not being swept under the rug, not being waited out in hopes that it goes away.
Of course into each life some Rain will fall and nobody is totally good or totally evil. We lost a player today. One who was admired for his genius and innovation in making a HUGE pile of isk. He shared some, kept more and a lot of people enjoyed his service
Icarus
What you can take away from this.
1) Nobody in Eve is too big to fail 2) There be a new sheriff in town 3) Publishing communications with CCP is a dangerous step 5) Mike like to mess with OCD folks 6) When one witch is burnt people start looking around for something else to light 7) The polite folks got a lot more answers from Falcon than the screamers (unless you LIKE being called 50 shades of dumb)
m Mike Azariah-á CSM8 and now CSM9 |
Marsha Mallow
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Posted - 2014.08.20 23:18:00 -
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Can you all stop gibbering so the devs can sleep. Unless there are futher salacious revelations, it's done. No point ruining the gain by turning snappy. Unless you can get Dinsdale to come back and comment, obv.
CCP Falcon wrote:Honestly, I've never read fifty shades of gray, but I agree. I honestly feel like I just read fifty shades of dumb. It's not dissimilar. Mumbling "I'd like to claim your arse [er, whatsyer name again?]" is always a winner. That blogger is not seeing the funny side though. DON'T BE RIDICULOUS! |
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
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Posted - 2014.08.20 23:19:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Honestly, I've never read fifty shades of gray, but I agree. I honestly feel like I just read fifty shades of dumb.
Ice Burn.
Rroff wrote:CCP Falcon wrote: If they are still to be paid out, and are on any of the affected accounts, this is an issue you'll have to take up with SOMER Blink.
Who through your actions* can't really do anything about it. So you might as well say "your stuffed" rather than dance around the point.
Blink has tons of assets on non-banned accounts. The organization was masterful in its ability to delegate responsibility (meaning they also necessarily spread assets around). "It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon |
Zahara Cody
Imperial Corrections Service.
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Posted - 2014.08.20 23:20:00 -
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Can you confirm/deny if an Imperial Armageddon and Tribal Tempest were among the assets that were banned? |
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
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Posted - 2014.08.20 23:20:00 -
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Permaband next music - "fifty shades of dumb" The Tears Must Flow |
Lord BryanII
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Posted - 2014.08.20 23:21:00 -
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Is there any internal investigation on how a player got to be so cozy with a Vice President? If there would have been proper channels in place, say a relationship manager that knew his history, this may not have happened.
Whats to keep some other player from getting cozy with a Vice President of security? Or a lead game designer that knows when market changes are about to be announced? |
DaOpa
Static Corp
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Posted - 2014.08.20 23:22:00 -
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So is this RMT or not, paying a EVE Player ISK to work on stuff that has nothing to do with EVE Online>?
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HarlyQ
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.08.20 23:23:00 -
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I am waiting to see more requests about what items got banned with somers accounts. I'm not sure if CCP releases that type of info but look for prices on assumed banned ships to jump. |
Beta Maoye
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Posted - 2014.08.20 23:24:00 -
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After reading the anouncement, I am not sure whether Somer had actually broken the RMT rule or not.
So I think the fact that he disclosed the correspondence that put CCP in embarrassment is the primary offense that get him banned. |
Arkon Olacar
Imperial Guardians Spaceship Samurai
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Posted - 2014.08.20 23:24:00 -
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Brahan Seer wrote:Wow 50 shades of dumb, nice professionalism Falcon.
In fairness, your post was incredibly stupid Warping to zero |
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