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BigSako
Burning Napalm Northern Coalition.
108
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Posted - 2014.08.21 10:48:00 -
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So, technically EvENews24 and TheMittani are both RMT-ing, right?
ISK -> Writers Writers -> Articles Users read Articles and see advertisement on website Mittani gets money for advertisement
http://i.imgur.com/i6L5GGY.png
just my .02 ISK. |
Enaris Kerle
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
152
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Posted - 2014.08.21 10:53:00 -
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BigSako wrote:So, technically EvENews24 and TheMittani are both RMT-ing, right? ISK -> Writers Writers -> Articles Users read Articles and see advertisement on website Mittani gets money for advertisement http://i.imgur.com/i6L5GGY.pngjust my .02 ISK. No, but good on you for not reading the thread. I'm sure your argument will become valid if you just repeat it enough times. Gallente born and raised, and tutored as a pleasure slave and courtesan to the exotic tastes of the Amarri court. Jade's career veered violently off course when a diplomatic envoy's transport was blown to pieces in mysterious circumstances and she was rescued from the escape pods by the enigmatic genetic mastermind Athule Snanm. |
Xtreem
PERPIDE Ineluctable.
208
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Posted - 2014.08.21 10:53:00 -
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I think this was the right way to go.
I really really hope they do allow us to know what unique assets were banned.. why? because us collectors/resellers need this type of information to know how rare/valuable our assets now are. Volume is one of the most defining points of worth with rare assets.
Please CCP let us know what unique assets were banned, think of us legit traders :( |
Flamespar
Pradox One Proficiency V.
1233
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Posted - 2014.08.21 10:54:00 -
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It's a shame that issues like this seem to so completely co-opt the attention of players. Personally I think CCP has bigger issues to deal with. EVE Chronicle: An audio drama set in the EVE universe
http://evechronicle.blogspot.com.au/ https://twitter.com/Flamespar |
Rain6637
Team Evil
15742
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Posted - 2014.08.21 10:54:00 -
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BigSako wrote:So, technically EvENews24 and TheMittani are both RMT-ing, right? ISK -> Writers Writers -> Articles Users read Articles and see advertisement on website Mittani gets money for advertisement http://i.imgur.com/i6L5GGY.pngjust my .02 ISK.
about that. I generate an ad click ... pretty much every time I visit TMC and OCD-click in the margins (I don't know why I do it. keeping myself warm for game time? it occurs to me that my fingers deserve track pants. my clicky little finger athletes)
I'll tel you right now, the power of those thinkers swayed the situation to this conclusion. they could have done the opposite, if they wished. arguments against TMC will probably not get very far.
I can also think of reasons why the involved transactions are removed enough to not be RMT. President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub | Rainfleet on Twitch | Twitter | Rainfleet mk.III | Imgur |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5914
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Posted - 2014.08.21 10:58:00 -
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Rain6637 wrote:I can also think of reasons why the involved transactions are removed enough to not be RMT.
Please tell me how offering people extra isk if they buy PLEX through your affiliate link & sell it back to you is not actually an attempt to launder isk. This post was lovingly crafted by a member of the Goonwaffe Posting Cabal, proud member of the popular gay hookup site somethingawful.com, Spelling Bee & Grammar Gestapo. |
Rain6637
Team Evil
15742
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Posted - 2014.08.21 11:00:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Rain6637 wrote:I can also think of reasons why the involved transactions are removed enough to not be RMT. Please tell me how offering people extra isk if they buy PLEX through your affiliate link & sell it back to you is not actually an attempt to launder isk. that was referring to the ISK payment made to article writers for TMC. President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub | Rainfleet on Twitch | Twitter | Rainfleet mk.III | Imgur |
Derrick Miles
EVENumbers
2713
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Posted - 2014.08.21 11:00:00 -
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Rain6637 wrote:in the SOMER / MD arrangement, what could be offered as a referral reward that would be considered OK by CCP and the community as not-RMT?
example case: Amazon is an ETC reseller. assuming referrals can be verified by both Amazon and the referrer, would an Amazon credit arrangement be accepted by CCP and players as not-RMT? Any out of game incentives, such as promos or sales by Amazon, are not considered RMT because they don't cross the boundary between in-game and out-of-game trading. The reason Somer's offer was RMT (I assume, as CCP never officially confirmed it) is because it traded the service of buying a PLEX in-game in exchange for using the referral link, which was a real money transaction between Somer and the GTC seller.
Fansites that use advertisements to generate revenue are not doing RMT. The reason is, they offer no in-game incentive for click-throughs on those ads, and any in-game services they may offer can be had without using anything that requires an action involving a real money exchange. |
Derrick Miles
EVENumbers
2713
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Posted - 2014.08.21 11:02:00 -
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Rain6637 wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Rain6637 wrote:I can also think of reasons why the involved transactions are removed enough to not be RMT. Please tell me how offering people extra isk if they buy PLEX through your affiliate link & sell it back to you is not actually an attempt to launder isk. that was referring to the ISK payment made to article writers for TMC. This is a unique case that is explicitly allowed by CCP as well as other things like graphic design and web development. In addition, the articles and content written cannot be resold for a profit. |
Rain6637
Team Evil
15742
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Posted - 2014.08.21 11:04:00 -
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yes... and yes. it appears we are in agreement. President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub | Rainfleet on Twitch | Twitter | Rainfleet mk.III | Imgur |
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
20287
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Posted - 2014.08.21 11:04:00 -
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BigSako wrote:So, technically EvENews24 and TheMittani are both RMT-ing, right? ISK -> Writers Writers -> Articles Users read Articles and see advertisement on website Mittani gets money for advertisement http://i.imgur.com/i6L5GGY.pngjust my .02 ISK. Paying ISK to writers for articles and opinion pieces is explicitly allowed by CCP, as long as the articles are Eve related. Monetisation of websites via ads is also OK with CCP as far as I know.
What isn't allowed is offering an ISK/ingame incentive to buy ETC/GTC from an affiliate, i.e. buying the resulting PLEX back from you at an inflated ISK price, when that gives you a RL cash kickback.
Nil mortifi sine lucre. |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5914
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Posted - 2014.08.21 11:05:00 -
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Rain6637 wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Rain6637 wrote:I can also think of reasons why the involved transactions are removed enough to not be RMT. Please tell me how offering people extra isk if they buy PLEX through your affiliate link & sell it back to you is not actually an attempt to launder isk. that was referring to the ISK payment made to article writers for TMC.
oops This post was lovingly crafted by a member of the Goonwaffe Posting Cabal, proud member of the popular gay hookup site somethingawful.com, Spelling Bee & Grammar Gestapo. |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5915
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Posted - 2014.08.21 11:07:00 -
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BigSako wrote:So, technically EvENews24 and TheMittani are both RMT-ing, right? ISK -> Writers Writers -> Articles Users read Articles and see advertisement on website Mittani gets money for advertisement http://i.imgur.com/i6L5GGY.pngjust my .02 ISK.
Are you trying to imply that people should be banned because they got money when someone visited their website? This post was lovingly crafted by a member of the Goonwaffe Posting Cabal, proud member of the popular gay hookup site somethingawful.com, Spelling Bee & Grammar Gestapo. |
Felicia Tennyson
Tennyson Court
6
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Posted - 2014.08.21 11:09:00 -
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+1 for CCP and CSM for making EvE a better world for the majority of the community and playerbase |
Rain6637
Team Evil
15742
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Posted - 2014.08.21 11:09:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:BigSako wrote:So, technically EvENews24 and TheMittani are both RMT-ing, right? ISK -> Writers Writers -> Articles Users read Articles and see advertisement on website Mittani gets money for advertisement http://i.imgur.com/i6L5GGY.pngjust my .02 ISK. Paying ISK to writers for articles and opinion pieces is explicitly allowed by CCP, as long as the articles are Eve related. Monetisation of websites via ads is also OK with CCP as far as I know. What isn't allowed is offering an ISK/ingame incentive to buy ETC/GTC from an affiliate, i.e. buying the resulting PLEX back from you at an inflated ISK price, when that affiliate gives you a RL cash kickback for every sale. the RL cash kickback.. is the variable i'm changing, until I find one that is appealing and approrpirate as a reward to the recipient, CCP , and players.
like...Amazon credit? or maybe amazon coupon codes.
whould those be legal? President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub | Rainfleet on Twitch | Twitter | Rainfleet mk.III | Imgur |
Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
2502
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Posted - 2014.08.21 11:10:00 -
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I find the goon forum spammers (andski et al) as boring as anyone else, but if anyone thinks that they as a group or mittens are involved in RMT, then simply report it to CCP.
Simply making unsubstantiated allegations in the forums is just forum trolling of the worse type. This is not a signature. |
Rain6637
Team Evil
15742
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Posted - 2014.08.21 11:11:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:BigSako wrote:So, technically EvENews24 and TheMittani are both RMT-ing, right? ISK -> Writers Writers -> Articles Users read Articles and see advertisement on website Mittani gets money for advertisement http://i.imgur.com/i6L5GGY.pngjust my .02 ISK. Are you trying to imply that people should be banned because they got money when someone visited their website? yes i think that's the process the thinks should get labeled as RMT. President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub | Rainfleet on Twitch | Twitter | Rainfleet mk.III | Imgur |
Enaris Kerle
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
152
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Posted - 2014.08.21 11:15:00 -
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Rain6637 wrote:yes i think that's the process the thinks should get labeled as RMT. The difference is that there's no ingame incentive for the people clicking TMC/EN24/Dotlan ads. None of those sites go around and tell people they'll get ISK is they click the ads, but Somer promised ISK in exchange for people buying stuff through his affiliate link.
If I put up an Amazon affiliate link, and tell people to buy stuff through there in exchange for me paying them ISK, that's of course RMT. Gallente born and raised, and tutored as a pleasure slave and courtesan to the exotic tastes of the Amarri court. Jade's career veered violently off course when a diplomatic envoy's transport was blown to pieces in mysterious circumstances and she was rescued from the escape pods by the enigmatic genetic mastermind Athule Snanm. |
Deka Ekato
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
146
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Posted - 2014.08.21 11:15:00 -
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Deka Ekato wrote:CCP,
- "Edit. Thank you to CCP Falcon for answering to this edited question." - What about CCP's involement in all of this?
I just feel that punnishing Somer is simply a start to fixing this SomerGate debarcle.
Just some more questions.
- Will CCP be taking any action in preventing this happening again? - Will CCP be creating their own "casino" now that Somer is gone? ( Please do not do this. I don't want to see Eve turn into a casino. ) - Why was Somer not dealt with in the first place? ( I have an answer to this, but it would be nice to hear yours ). - Will CCP endorse and allow some other creative person with a new scheme, in the future?
I really do feel, (and from what I understand), that Somer was not punished for RMT, (which he should be), but for some other reason(s). |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5915
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Posted - 2014.08.21 11:20:00 -
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Deka Ekato wrote:I really do feel, (and from what I understand), that Somer was not punished for RMT, (which he should be), but for some other reason(s).
There is basically 3 reasons he was punished. The first is the RMT, the second would be falsely claiming that the scheme as it is was CCP approved, the third would be publicly posting the private emails with CCP. This post was lovingly crafted by a member of the Goonwaffe Posting Cabal, proud member of the popular gay hookup site somethingawful.com, Spelling Bee & Grammar Gestapo. |
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Hakaari Inkuran
State War Academy Caldari State
203
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Posted - 2014.08.21 11:21:00 -
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I'm more wondering why it took players to bring the issue up in the first place. CCP was perfectly capable of visiting the site and looking at the new promotion (literally all they had to do was look at it), do they not keep close tabs on their affiliates? |
Derrick Miles
EVENumbers
2738
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Posted - 2014.08.21 11:28:00 -
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Baneken wrote:Hakaari Inkuran wrote:I'm more wondering why it took players to bring the issue up in the first place. CCP was perfectly capable of visiting the site and looking at the new promotion (literally all they had to do was look at it), do they not keep close tabs on their affiliates? I take it that you have no idea how many affiliates a company of the size such as CCP might have ? Do you? Because I sure have no idea. |
Citricioni
Stille Gewalt Easily Excited
157
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Posted - 2014.08.21 11:29:00 -
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I think an official version of "SOMER Blink" would be the most appropriate variant ... Stille Gewalt NPSI
Channel: Stille Gewalt |
Derrick Miles
EVENumbers
2738
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Posted - 2014.08.21 11:29:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Deka Ekato wrote:I really do feel, (and from what I understand), that Somer was not punished for RMT, (which he should be), but for some other reason(s). There is basically 3 reasons he was punished. The first is the RMT, the second would be falsely claiming that the scheme as it is was CCP approved, the third would be publicly posting the private emails with CCP. It wasn't actually confirmed that RMT was one of the reasons. |
aniel
Babylon Knights The Unthinkables
3
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Posted - 2014.08.21 11:32:00 -
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unbanned somerset |
Enaris Kerle
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
153
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Posted - 2014.08.21 11:37:00 -
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aniel wrote:unbanned somerset is this a FREE KARTTOON NOW post Gallente born and raised, and tutored as a pleasure slave and courtesan to the exotic tastes of the Amarri court. Jade's career veered violently off course when a diplomatic envoy's transport was blown to pieces in mysterious circumstances and she was rescued from the escape pods by the enigmatic genetic mastermind Athule Snanm. |
Medalyn Isis
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
301
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Posted - 2014.08.21 11:46:00 -
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Shinnyo wrote:So now that he's banned, can CCP give us an idea of how much ISK and ships were removed from the game? :D This is what I am interested in. |
Citricioni
Stille Gewalt Easily Excited
157
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Posted - 2014.08.21 11:49:00 -
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Medalyn Isis wrote:Shinnyo wrote:So now that he's banned, can CCP give us an idea of how much ISK and ships were removed from the game? :D This is what I am interested in.
about 74687468746874638746874isk in limited issue ships and about 65464684683463846346341isk on wallet -.- Stille Gewalt NPSI
Channel: Stille Gewalt |
Medalyn Isis
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
301
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Posted - 2014.08.21 11:52:00 -
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Aryth wrote:What a satisfying week. Thanks CCP
*gets ready for the train of goonswarm acolytes which are going to be gleefully gloating all over this thread."
This must be an early christmas present for you guys. |
Medalyn Isis
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
301
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Posted - 2014.08.21 11:55:00 -
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Flamespar wrote:It's a shame that issues like this seem to so completely co-opt the attention of players. Personally I think CCP has bigger issues to deal with. Indeed, I never saw this much fuss made over the drone avionics skill fiasco, something which was a much higher priority than this internet drama. |
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