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Edward Harris
Lazerhawks
35
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Posted - 2014.08.20 20:27:00 -
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dexington wrote: Is TMC not paying people isk to write articles for the sites, which in return gives ad revenue to the owner?
That's fine, since Goons like TMC and dont whine about possible RMTing on the forums. I'm sure at least 75% of CSM approves. Welcome to Goons-Online |
Brahan Seer
EVE Protection Agency Bloodline.
12
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Posted - 2014.08.20 20:28:00 -
[122] - Quote
dexington wrote:Hendrick Tallardar wrote:Except that in the case of Zkillboard, Dotlan, CZ, TMC etc. there is no in-game reward for using their referral links. They aren't providing any incentive other than "help us keep this running and that's all we ask." Is TMC not paying people isk to write articles for the sites, which in return gives ad revenue to the owner?
Gotta remember CCP doesn't care about fair. If Somerset deserved a perma ban so does TMC Siggy Killboards Dotlan etc. And that part isn't even the most obviously point to ban them all they play eve have eve accounts and are a business. That is clear as DAY in the EULA. ban them all or none at all stop treating this as a religious all you can eat buffet and choosing some rules to enforce on some people all or nothing PERIOD |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
11047
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Posted - 2014.08.20 20:29:00 -
[123] - Quote
Bienator II wrote:CCP Falcon wrote: However, SOMER Blink has offered to reimburse ISK to players as part of their closure....
yeah but they are banned. So how should this reinbursement work now? Or are they about to be banned once they are done?
yeah dude there was one person in somerblink handling all of those payouts within 5 minutes 24/7 Twitter: @EVEAndski
"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -á-á - Abrazzar |
Edward Harris
Lazerhawks
35
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Posted - 2014.08.20 20:29:00 -
[124] - Quote
Sion Kumitomo wrote:
It's funny you ask that, as this exact situation actually did happen to a goon CSM [..] and after about a month, his account was restored.
I'm not surprised one bit. |
Blobskillz McBlub
Manson Family Advent of Fate
16
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Posted - 2014.08.20 20:29:00 -
[125] - Quote
Edward Harris wrote:Blobskillz McBlub wrote: yes because the ******* sales department has **** all to do with legal questions. Get this into your head it's a good lesson for your life when dealing with corporations.
you got legal questions?
WAIT FOR CONFIRMATION FROM THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT
Oh, I see - so CCP has nothing to do with CCP. I suppose it was too much to expect from a VP POSITION to take care of the LEGAL questions, right? Yeah, totally out of scope and anyways, **** customers..
yes guess what the sales department does when they have concerns about legal questions. they ask the legal department for confirmation and dont just wing it. and a VP position doesnt mean ****. All the VP is is the stand-in for the guy in charge. And even the boss of the sales department would have no clue about legal questions. |
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
4404
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Posted - 2014.08.20 20:29:00 -
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The execution of a public figure will always be public by the nature of the person in question. There is no dealing quietly with it. Someone would have made it public on some channel. So using the official channels allows CCP to resolve this in a orderly fashion and contain any squealing hordes preemptively. Sovereignty and Population New Mining Mechanics |
Nick Moretti
Jebediah Kerman's Junkyard and Spaceship Parts Co. Brave Collective
1
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Posted - 2014.08.20 20:30:00 -
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I'm still relatively new to the game (less than 1 year) and it amazes me that something like this apparently happened before with Somer Blink and no real punishment was given? Just glad to see no special treatment with the way this most recent issue was handled. Just straight up ToS & EULA violations and a fair consequence. |
Mangala Solaris
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
1103
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Posted - 2014.08.20 20:30:00 -
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Bienator II wrote:CCP Falcon wrote: However, SOMER Blink has offered to reimburse ISK to players as part of their closure....
yeah but they are banned. So how should this reinbursement work now? Or are they about to be banned once they are done?
Somerblinks funds may not be necessarily held on accts or in places only Somerset can access. There is a staff for the site that no doubt can pay such sums out of corporate assets or what have you, RvB Ganked: EVE's Number One Public Roam |
Anya Klibor
Insanely Twisted D3vil's Childr3n
766
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Posted - 2014.08.20 20:30:00 -
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Brahan Seer wrote:Hendrick Tallardar wrote:So as to appease the people accusing sites like CrossignZebras.com, EVENews24.com, TheMittani.com etc. as well as tossing in EVE focused YouTube channels.
Is the promotion of using an Amazon referral link to buy PLEX, which would give a small percentage based kickback to the referrer a violation of any of CCP's policies? For example, I run the YouTube channel YouTube.com/UbaStij and after doing a video on say "How To Align Like A Pro" I mention there is an Amazon link in the description which leads to Amazon's store to buy a PLEX. I state "buying a PLEX through this Amazon link will help keep me operating this service for you the consumer." Is that permitted?
What if I operated the channel with several underlings who were compensated for their contributions in ISK and not through real money? Is it still permitted to promote purchasing through our Amazon referral link to maintain our overhead costs?
I know this has been answered previously, but some people make the assumption that doing so is no different than the scheme Somer Blink tried last year and this time around and I'd like to have CCP's stance. CSM can weigh in if they want but considering they aren't actually the policy makers it's not going to win people over in my assumption. Ridiculous. You want fair than yeah you should be banned siggy creators should be banned killboards should be banned. They get isk and have an account business related. The EULA clearly states you can't have an EvE account or play EvE for business purposes. Do I think thats right? No. But its the rules so if were going to **** SomerBlink than everyone should get ****** equally for that is justice.
You are all types of dumb. |
AkJon Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance
251
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Posted - 2014.08.20 20:30:00 -
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I love the weaselly lawyer-speak in the OP:
"Second, SOMER Blink advertised the promotion as being GÇ£approved by CCP.GÇ¥ But SOMER Blink never had permission from CCP to make such a statement,"
In other words: Yes, the promotion was approved by CCP. But we didn't give him permission to tell people that it was approved by CCP. |
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Lae Allier
Disturbed Creations Northern Associates.
0
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Posted - 2014.08.20 20:30:00 -
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Hendrick Tallardar wrote:Brahan Seer wrote: Ridiculous. You want fair than yeah you should be banned siggy creators should be banned killboards should be banned. They get isk and have an account business related. The EULA clearly states you can't have an EvE account or play EvE for business purposes. Do I think thats right? No. But its the rules so if were going to **** SomerBlink than everyone should get ****** equally for that is justice.
Except that in the case of Zkillboard, Dotlan, CZ, TMC etc. there is no in-game reward for using their referral links. They aren't providing any incentive other than "help us keep this running and that's all we ask." Somer however, were offering ISK credits last year and then attempting to do the same through a PLEX buyback program. They aren't comparable like you're attempting to portray.
Sorry but the companys you just mentioned are run as a business model and make real money out of it so that too is against CCP rules so I want to see the owners banned publicly as well, as it states
- Accounts may not be used for business purposes. Access to the System and playing EVE is intended for your personal entertainment, enjoyment and recreation, and not for corporate, business, commercial or income-seeking activities.
All of the formentioned "companys" recieve real money as a result of EVE Online. I will be pursuing this further ! |
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
1400
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Posted - 2014.08.20 20:31:00 -
[132] - Quote
Finally CCP did something. Cry more please, maybe you guys get a Ishukone Watch Scorpion. The Tears Must Flow |
HVAC Repairman
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
841
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Posted - 2014.08.20 20:31:00 -
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Edward Harris wrote:dexington wrote: Is TMC not paying people isk to write articles for the sites, which in return gives ad revenue to the owner?
That's fine, since Goons like TMC and dont whine about possible RMTing on the forums. I'm sure at least 75% of CSM approves. Welcome to Goons-Online
Welcome to Gewn Eden, amirite? Follow me on twitter |
Hendrick Tallardar
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
187
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Posted - 2014.08.20 20:32:00 -
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dexington wrote:Hendrick Tallardar wrote:Except that in the case of Zkillboard, Dotlan, CZ, TMC etc. there is no in-game reward for using their referral links. They aren't providing any incentive other than "help us keep this running and that's all we ask." Is TMC not paying people isk to write articles for the sites, which in return gives ad revenue to the owner?
Yes they do pay their EVE writers in ISK. This falls in line with CCP's policy pertaining to paying in-game ISK for EVE content such as art, signatures, videos etc. The policy doesn't allow for writers to be paid for non-EVE related work such as writing an article on The Witcher 3 or Elite Dangerous. Nor does it permit the
They don't provide any incentive to the consumer, i.e. the reader, to use their referral links, read their site etc. outside of aiming to provide "higher quality content" (their words). The ad revenue earned from the service they provide, for free, is no different than zKillboard/EVE-Kill putting ads on their site. It's no different than an EVE player making an EVE video and monetizing it on YouTube to earn real money. Savvy? LeeSsang. Never Forget. |
Nam Dnilb
Universal Frog
195
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Posted - 2014.08.20 20:33:00 -
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AkJon Ferguson wrote:I love the weaselly lawyer-speak in the OP:
"Second, SOMER Blink advertised the promotion as being GÇ£approved by CCP.GÇ¥ But SOMER Blink never had permission from CCP to make such a statement,"
In other words: Yes, the promotion was approved by CCP. But we didn't give him permission to tell people that it was approved by CCP.
Don't talk sense please. This is a self congratulary circle jerk after all. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
23979
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Posted - 2014.08.20 20:35:00 -
[136] - Quote
dexington wrote:Hendrick Tallardar wrote:Except that in the case of Zkillboard, Dotlan, CZ, TMC etc. there is no in-game reward for using their referral links. They aren't providing any incentive other than "help us keep this running and that's all we ask." Is TMC not paying people isk to write articles for the sites, which in return gives ad revenue to the owner? There is no quid-pro-quo for giving them cash and receiving ISK (or vice versa), no. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2. |
Big Lynx
Destructive Mechanics Quam'Nocent
606
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Posted - 2014.08.20 20:35:00 -
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Seems like my hangar of uniques has received a massive skyrocket in value today! Ty CCP |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
11047
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Posted - 2014.08.20 20:37:00 -
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AkJon Ferguson wrote:I love the weaselly lawyer-speak in the OP:
"Second, SOMER Blink advertised the promotion as being GÇ£approved by CCP.GÇ¥ But SOMER Blink never had permission from CCP to make such a statement,"
In other words: Yes, the promotion was approved by CCP. But we didn't give him permission to tell people that it was approved by CCP.
if you didn't quote it out of context for the sake of slinging mud you'd be entirely wrong Twitter: @EVEAndski
"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -á-á - Abrazzar |
Zahara Cody
Imperial Corrections Service.
127
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Posted - 2014.08.20 20:37:00 -
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How much are we talking was just banned here? Tribal Tempest and Imp geddon. |
Hendrick Tallardar
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
190
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Posted - 2014.08.20 20:38:00 -
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Lae Allier wrote:Sorry but the companys you just mentioned are run as a business model and make real money out of it so that too is against CCP rules so I want to see the owners banned publicly as well, as it states
- Accounts may not be used for business purposes. Access to the System and playing EVE is intended for your personal entertainment, enjoyment and recreation, and not for corporate, business, commercial or income-seeking activities.
All of the formentioned "companys" recieve real money as a result of EVE Online. I will be pursuing this further !
Cool, that's probably the best thing to do if you believe it's violating the EULA. Be sure to speak eloquently and clearly about the issues rather than making claims without any basis on facts or reality. LeeSsang. Never Forget. |
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Baneken
Arctic Light Inc. Arctic Light
305
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Posted - 2014.08.20 20:39:00 -
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Now that this crisis is done and dealt with on to the next one, can wait to see what drama will be unveiled come the next summer !
Also well done CSM and community team for handling this in a quick and decisive manner. |
Brahan Seer
EVE Protection Agency Bloodline.
12
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Posted - 2014.08.20 20:39:00 -
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Lae Allier wrote:Hendrick Tallardar wrote:Brahan Seer wrote: Ridiculous. You want fair than yeah you should be banned siggy creators should be banned killboards should be banned. They get isk and have an account business related. The EULA clearly states you can't have an EvE account or play EvE for business purposes. Do I think thats right? No. But its the rules so if were going to **** SomerBlink than everyone should get ****** equally for that is justice.
Except that in the case of Zkillboard, Dotlan, CZ, TMC etc. there is no in-game reward for using their referral links. They aren't providing any incentive other than "help us keep this running and that's all we ask." Somer however, were offering ISK credits last year and then attempting to do the same through a PLEX buyback program. They aren't comparable like you're attempting to portray. Sorry but the companys you just mentioned are run as a business model and make real money out of it so that too is against CCP rules so I want to see the owners banned publicly as well, as it states - Accounts may not be used for business purposes. Access to the System and playing EVE is intended for your personal entertainment, enjoyment and recreation, and not for corporate, business, commercial or income-seeking activities. All of the formentioned "companys" recieve real money as a result of EVE Online. I will be pursuing this further !
100% right
So Falcon go and dismantle the games community they are in violation of the EULA, you said it yourself you want the rules to be fair and enforced so put your money where your mouth is! |
Clark Ostus
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2014.08.20 20:40:00 -
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Taken from CCP Falcons OP,
In response, the founder published private communications from CCP without authorization. This violates our EULA and Terms of Service (see paragraph 18 of our Terms of Service).
I could be understanding this wrong, but if part of the reason Somer was banned, was due to releasing private convos between a member of CCP and Somer himself, why has the person somer spoke to not said a word, as far as I can read CCP have not said anywhere the emails are fake/forged, just released without permission, which tends to make me believe somer actually had permission from someone somewhere in CCP. It seems that goons complained to GOONSM, who went to CCP and CCP caved in under pressure. |
Brusanan
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
321
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Posted - 2014.08.20 20:41:00 -
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Excellent decision guys. Where was this level of competence and transparency when you dealt with the Erotica 1 issue?
With Somer gone and Blink dead I wouldn't be surprised if some of the people left in charge run off with the ISK. Psychotic Monk and DJ FunkyBacon for CSM! |
111010110
The Darwin Initiative
20
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Posted - 2014.08.20 20:42:00 -
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Mangala Solaris wrote:Bienator II wrote:CCP Falcon wrote: However, SOMER Blink has offered to reimburse ISK to players as part of their closure....
yeah but they are banned. So how should this reinbursement work now? Or are they about to be banned once they are done? Somerblinks funds may not be necessarily held on accts or in places only Somerset can access. There is a staff for the site that no doubt can pay such sums out of corporate assets or what have you,
Heh. In before they run off with the loot :P
I cannot imagine CCP intervening on such a level and doing it themselves, that would set all sorts of precedents, but it remains an interesting question.
It would be nice if CCP were able to shed light on this. Then again, EVE is a cold and dark place by design. So we'll see. |
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
2800
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Posted - 2014.08.20 20:42:00 -
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Mangala Solaris wrote:Bienator II wrote:CCP Falcon wrote: However, SOMER Blink has offered to reimburse ISK to players as part of their closure....
yeah but they are banned. So how should this reinbursement work now? Or are they about to be banned once they are done? Somerblinks funds may not be necessarily held on accts or in places only Somerset can access. There is a staff for the site that no doubt can pay such sums out of corporate assets or what have you,
its a little bit like saying the janitor will reinburse you for canceled service X. eve style bounties (done) dust boarding parties imagine there is war and everybody cloaks - join FW |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
23980
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Posted - 2014.08.20 20:42:00 -
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Brahan Seer wrote:So Falcon go and dismantle the games community they are in violation of the EULA, you said it yourself you want the rules to be fair and enforced so put your money where your mouth is! Just one problem: they are not in violation of the EULA and the rules are being applied and enforced fairly. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2. |
dexington
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1227
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Posted - 2014.08.20 20:42:00 -
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Hendrick Tallardar wrote:dexington wrote:Hendrick Tallardar wrote:Except that in the case of Zkillboard, Dotlan, CZ, TMC etc. there is no in-game reward for using their referral links. They aren't providing any incentive other than "help us keep this running and that's all we ask." Is TMC not paying people isk to write articles for the sites, which in return gives ad revenue to the owner? Yes they do pay their EVE writers in ISK. This falls in line with CCP's policy pertaining to paying in-game ISK for EVE content such as art, signatures, videos etc. The policy doesn't allow for writers to be paid for non-EVE related work such as writing an article on The Witcher 3 or Elite Dangerous
TMC is not a eve only website, and according to the chat logs "leaked" on reddit eve players play other games which makes it possible to find write for non eve content within the eve community. TMC is no a community site, it's a professional gaming site, with the twist it pays the writers in isk. We are not talk about non profit work, the owner is clearly paying people isk to write articles, to make money of ads...
It might not be as direct RMT as what somer was doing, but in the end it's RMT. I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous. |
Lae Allier
Disturbed Creations Northern Associates.
1
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Posted - 2014.08.20 20:43:00 -
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well I have just read through the whole posts for the past 2 days, I am still waiting to see proof of RMT'ing when you look at the facts it covers the same issues, if you make real money from EVE in whatever form you are breaking thier rules and should be punished.
once again read the rules
Accounts may not be used for business purposes. Access to the System and playing EVE is intended for your personal entertainment, enjoyment and recreation, and not for corporate, business, commercial or income-seeking activities. |
111010110
The Darwin Initiative
20
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Posted - 2014.08.20 20:44:00 -
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Clark Ostus wrote:Taken from CCP Falcons OP,
In response, the founder published private communications from CCP without authorization. This violates our EULA and Terms of Service (see paragraph 18 of our Terms of Service).
I could be understanding this wrong, but if part of the reason Somer was banned, was due to releasing private convos between a member of CCP and Somer himself, why has the person somer spoke to not said a word, as far as I can read CCP have not said anywhere the emails are fake/forged, just released without permission, which tends to make me believe somer actually had permission from someone somewhere in CCP. It seems that goons complained to GOONSM, who went to CCP and CCP caved in under pressure.
I don't have the links handy, I'm sure someone will dig them up at some point, but he had the correspondence and the proposal as text documents available on his domain. Probably not a smart move, since that's pretty much what provided CCP with the means to take the ToS / EULA angle to wrap the Somer case in this situation up.
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