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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
11051
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Posted - 2014.08.20 21:02:00 -
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Brahan Seer wrote:Tippia wrote:Lae Allier wrote:Thats in direct Violation of EULA - The owner is running the website as a buisness That is not a direct violation of the EULA, no. Oh so Somers supposed RMT loophole wasn't kosher but that is? Like come on!!
try to find the subtle difference in the chain of custody of ISK and money in what somer was doing and what websites like TMC EN24 etc. do
you will find the answer there Twitter: @EVEAndski
"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -á-á - Abrazzar |
Drealar
Doctrine. FEARLESS.
150
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Posted - 2014.08.20 21:02:00 -
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posting |
Karra Masamune
Intelligence Operation NetCorp Khaos Legion
4
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Posted - 2014.08.20 21:03:00 -
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So basically only thing CCP could prove is that SOMERblink leaked chat logs with Lisa, and they took that as reason to ban him. It looks like he would have a walk out of jail card if it weren't for that as apparently CCP couldn't prove any RMT or any other major violation of EULA.
Never the less I still like end result regarding SOMERblink and good job on that. I don't like the fact that noting is done regarding Markee Dragon I assume that is to be expected as there is no proof RMT. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
11051
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Posted - 2014.08.20 21:03:00 -
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and it's not even explicitly stated in the OP whether somer was engaging in that, rather that he acted in bad faith Twitter: @EVEAndski
"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -á-á - Abrazzar |
Hendrick Tallardar
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
194
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Posted - 2014.08.20 21:03:00 -
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Lae Allier wrote:Just to clarify my point - The other websites that run at the moment recieve Real money from traffic that is generated from EVE in turn the owner gets paid $ he then buys someone a plex for real money becuase of a player.
So :-
1. Player generates traffic to a site in which the owner gets money. 2. Then some of that money is turned into PLEX - Owner must have an account to purchase as well as keeping extra money. 3. Player recieves PLEX
Thats in direct Violation of EULA - The owner is running the website as a buisness
You seem to believe you are infallibly correct, so prove it to CCP that sites running ads and compensating contributors with in-game ISK are a violation of EULA to them. Argue it and see what CCP says. Pretty simple really. LeeSsang. Never Forget. |
Drealar
Doctrine. FEARLESS.
150
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Posted - 2014.08.20 21:03:00 -
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double posting |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
23981
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Posted - 2014.08.20 21:04:00 -
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Brahan Seer wrote:Oh so Somers supposed RMT loophole wasn't kosher but that is? Like come on!! Somer's supposed RMT loophole was still RMT and wasn't a loophole, so of course it wasn't kosher.
Running a fansite that generates income through ad revenue or referral kickbacks is not RMT because there is no in-game component to that income generation. Thus, it's kosher. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2. |
Drealar
Doctrine. FEARLESS.
150
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Posted - 2014.08.20 21:04:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
11247
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Posted - 2014.08.20 21:04:00 -
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Brahan Seer wrote:Even if thats okay the EULA clearly states you cant have a character or play eve for business purposes. Correct, however...
Brahan Seer wrote:That can't get any clearer which makes all those groups guilty of breaking the EULA. Not correct. All of those groups are separate from the account and character. The most TMC is guilty of is using name recognition, but that's not the same thing as using "The Mittani", the character, for business purposes. Enjoying the rain today? ;) |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
20259
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Posted - 2014.08.20 21:04:00 -
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Brahan Seer wrote:What damage you CCP **** sucking tool? I see a banhammer or a forum gag in your future.
Quote:Goonswarm has cause MASSIVE damage to this game on a community level and business level. But you haven't broken ToS so its okay. Examples please.
Quote:What damage did Somer do to the business or the game? NOTHING and even falcon hints Somer WASNT banned for RMT Using obfuscated methods to potentially monetise CCPs intellectual poicy in an EULA breaking way probably counts as damaging to the game and CCP Falcon hinted at no such thing, he said that they (CCP) wouldn't comment on whether or not RMT actually happened
Quote:so get your head out of CCP's and your own ass Grow up, and try to be civil.
"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."-á - Abrazzar
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Brahan Seer
EVE Protection Agency Bloodline.
13
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Posted - 2014.08.20 21:04:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Brahan Seer wrote:What damage you CCP **** sucking tool? Goonswarm has cause MASSIVE damage to this game on a community level and business level. What makes you think CCP would tolerate a group that causes "MASSIVE damage to this game on a community level and business level"? Brahan Seer wrote:But you haven't broken ToS so its okay. Many members of ours have, on many occasions. I can't think of a single one that wasn't punished accordingly. Brahan Seer wrote:What damage did Somer do to the business or the game? NOTHING Can you prove that? Do you have CCP's data on the New Eden economy, PLEX sales, and Somer's activities, and the expertise to analyze Somer's impact on CCP's business or the game? No. CCP does. Brahan Seer wrote:and even falcon hints Somer WASNT banned for RMT so get your head out of CCP's and your own ass No he didn't. He simply refused to comment on it.
And you continue to have a closed mind and assume somer was destructive. i pose the same questions back to you on your wayward opinion. Goons havent been punished. How many players quit because of various goon scams? Do i even bring up Bob? How many people quit because goons can't play fairly? I understand espionage is a part of the game but on multiple occasions is has gone to far that pissed people off to such an extreme they quit. That hurts the community and CCP's wallet at its core. Now tell me Im wrong and tell me who has quit because of somer? case closed period |
Enaris Kerle
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
143
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Posted - 2014.08.20 21:04:00 -
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Karra Masamune wrote:as apparently CCP couldn't prove any RMT or any other major violation of EULA. except that's not what they said Gallente born and raised, and tutored as a pleasure slave and courtesan to the exotic tastes of the Amarri court. Jade's career veered violently off course when a diplomatic envoy's transport was blown to pieces in mysterious circumstances and she was rescued from the escape pods by the enigmatic genetic mastermind Athule Snanm. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
11053
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Posted - 2014.08.20 21:07:00 -
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Brahan Seer wrote:And you continue to have a closed mind and assume somer was destructive. i pose the same questions back to you on your wayward opinion. Goons havent been punished. How many players quit because of various goon scams? Do i even bring up Bob? How many people quit because goons can't play fairly? I understand espionage is a part of the game but on multiple occasions is has gone to far that pissed people off to such an extreme they quit. That hurts the community and CCP's wallet at its core. Now tell me Im wrong and tell me who has quit because of somer? case closed period
the majority of us play within the rules Twitter: @EVEAndski
"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -á-á - Abrazzar |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
11248
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Posted - 2014.08.20 21:07:00 -
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Karra Masamune wrote:So basically only thing CCP could prove is that SOMERblink leaked chat logs with Lisa, and they took that as reason to ban him. It looks like he would have a walk out of jail card if it weren't for that as apparently CCP couldn't prove any RMT or any other major violation of EULA. Wrong. That is one of two violations (the other one being the use of an EVE account for business purposes) which are publicly apparent, which makes those the two violations that they will confirm. Other violations discovered as the result of internal investigation (read: RMT) are not disclosed. That doesn't mean they couldn't prove that it happened, it just means they're not going to tell us what they find. Enjoying the rain today? ;) |
John Ending
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
114
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Posted - 2014.08.20 21:07:00 -
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A just decision, bravo CCP, Falcon and CSM on the handling of this.
No room, no place, no tolerance for RMT, ever. |
111010110
The Darwin Initiative
21
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Posted - 2014.08.20 21:07:00 -
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And you continue to have a closed mind and assume somer was destructive. i pose the same questions back to you on your wayward opinion. Goons havent been punished. How many players quit because of various goon scams? Do i even bring up Bob? How many people quit because goons can't play fairly? I understand espionage is a part of the game but on multiple occasions is has gone to far that pissed people off to such an extreme they quit. That hurts the community and CCP's wallet at its core. Now tell me Im wrong and tell me who has quit because of somer? case closed period
I'm not a goon, but I raised an eyebrow there.
You expect fairness in EVE?
Nevermind ... back on topic I suppose ... |
Enaris Kerle
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
144
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Posted - 2014.08.20 21:07:00 -
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Brahan Seer wrote:Now tell me Im wrong and tell me who has quit because of somer? case closed period What is even your point? That the rules shouldn't apply to Somer because they didn't break into somebody's house and kill their puppy? Gallente born and raised, and tutored as a pleasure slave and courtesan to the exotic tastes of the Amarri court. Jade's career veered violently off course when a diplomatic envoy's transport was blown to pieces in mysterious circumstances and she was rescued from the escape pods by the enigmatic genetic mastermind Athule Snanm. |
Brahan Seer
EVE Protection Agency Bloodline.
13
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Posted - 2014.08.20 21:07:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Brahan Seer wrote:Even if thats okay the EULA clearly states you cant have a character or play eve for business purposes. Correct, however... Brahan Seer wrote:That can't get any clearer which makes all those groups guilty of breaking the EULA. Not correct. All of those groups are separate from the account and character. The most TMC is guilty of is using name recognition, but that's not the same thing as using "The Mittani", the character, for business purposes.
I havent ever seen mittani or whatever it is so i can't speak on that. But you get my point. And to an extent sounds like you agree with the premise even if it is a dumb one cause lets face it if the people who ran killboardz came under siege for this the community would defend them tooth and nail as we need that system. |
GOB the Magician
Enlightened Industries Goonswarm Federation
31
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Posted - 2014.08.20 21:08:00 -
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so many tears, alas so little popcorn on my end
well done ccp! |
Amantus
Snuff Box
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Posted - 2014.08.20 21:08:00 -
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its dingles mate |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
23981
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Posted - 2014.08.20 21:08:00 -
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Brahan Seer wrote:And you continue to have a closed mind and assume somer was destructive. It's not really an assumption when you look at how much trouble he caused for the CCP in their community relations. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2. |
Brahan Seer
EVE Protection Agency Bloodline.
13
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Posted - 2014.08.20 21:09:00 -
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Andski wrote:Brahan Seer wrote:And you continue to have a closed mind and assume somer was destructive. i pose the same questions back to you on your wayward opinion. Goons havent been punished. How many players quit because of various goon scams? Do i even bring up Bob? How many people quit because goons can't play fairly? I understand espionage is a part of the game but on multiple occasions is has gone to far that pissed people off to such an extreme they quit. That hurts the community and CCP's wallet at its core. Now tell me Im wrong and tell me who has quit because of somer? case closed period the majority of us play within the rules
You know what your right the majority do and I shouldn't lump all of you with the few bad. The situation is just frustrating and maybe i disagree with the anti somer people the discussion has been fairly constructive. With that said will refrain from my goon attacks this isn't the place for it |
Drealar
Doctrine. FEARLESS.
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Posted - 2014.08.20 21:09:00 -
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Sion Kumitomo
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.08.20 21:09:00 -
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Brahan Seer wrote:Sion Kumitomo wrote:To those of you who keep insisted that "this should have been handled quietly," I'm not sure what you expect. Had Somer himself handled this with professionalism instead of being deliberately deceitful and then going dramatically public with confidential exchanges, I have no doubt that CCP would have respected that and handled it quietly with all due respect.
If you're suggesting that CCP should have allowed Somer to do long term damage to CCP's reputation out of consideration for his feelings, you might, just possibly, be missing the broader context here.
What damage you CCP **** sucking tool? Goonswarm has cause MASSIVE damage to this game on a community level and business level. But you haven't broken ToS so its okay. What damage did Somer do to the business or the game? NOTHING and even falcon hints Somer WASNT banned for RMT so get your head out of CCP's and your own ass
Your advocacy of breaking the EULA/TOS puzzles me, I should think you'd be pleased that I've not broken rules. Is perhaps my goonish aura distracting you from valid argumentation?
Flaunting EULA/TOS violations in public for all to see is bad for the community and bad for the game. Somer thought he was was too big to fail, and too important to play by the rules that bind the rest of us. But unlike certain world governments, CCP has the backbone to do what needed to be done.
The legitimacy of the rules are only as valid as the equality of the application of those rules. CCP proved today that they're willing to fairly apply these rules, and that heartens me a great deal. |
Xuixien
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
1502
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Posted - 2014.08.20 21:10:00 -
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Edward Harris wrote:Sion Kumitomo wrote:In the handbook of GÇ£How Not to Get Permabanned,GÇ¥ not publishing private communications between you and the VP of global sales is on page one. Classic novice mistake. So Mr. Goon-CSM, just out of curiosity, how would you have reacted if your account got suspended and everything was shut down without any notification? I see it as an act of desperation, since they apparently had an OK from a VP position. I suppose that word means nothing. Btw, if you want to be official about it - do you see any disclaimer in those statements? I know we use them in our company. This is still a fault of CCPs lack of internal communication and you are taking it out on a player. Good job. My trust in CCP has dropped to zero and I'm sure I am not the only one who feels this is an outrage.
Except SOMER lied to the VP about their activities, so there's that. Epic Space Cat |
Baneken
Arctic Light Inc. Arctic Light
305
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Posted - 2014.08.20 21:10:00 -
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Drealar wrote: big bunch of emoticons
I lolled tbh.
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
11248
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Posted - 2014.08.20 21:11:00 -
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Brahan Seer wrote:And you continue to have a closed mind and assume somer was destructive. RMT is generally destructive, yes.
Brahan Seer wrote:i pose the same questions back to you on your wayward opinion. Goons havent been punished. Oh but some have, except not for the reasons you list.
Brahan Seer wrote:How many players quit because of various goon scams? Scams aren't against the rules. Players quitting is their own decision.
Brahan Seer wrote:Do i even bring up Bob? How many people quit because goons can't play fairly? Playing unfairly is not against the rules. Players quitting is their own decision.
Brahan Seer wrote:I understand espionage is a part of the game but on multiple occasions is has gone to far that pissed people off to such an extreme they quit. That hurts the community and CCP's wallet at its core. Now tell me Im wrong and tell me who has quit because of somer? case closed period It doesn't matter who has or hasn't quit. That's not the guideline for damage, and it's not against the rules to cause players to quit the game. Enjoying the rain today? ;) |
Sion Kumitomo
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
96
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Posted - 2014.08.20 21:12:00 -
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I clearly should have gotten this out of the way sooner: it's me, I'm the goon CSM. |
Lord Xander
NED-Clan Goonswarm Federation
58
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Posted - 2014.08.20 21:12:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Quote:Goonswarm has cause MASSIVE damage to this game on a community level and business level. But you haven't broken ToS so its okay. Examples please. .
I like this part, Plz tell us more what we "The evil Goonies" have done to you and your corp. |
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CCP Manifest
C C P C C P Alliance
1101
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Posted - 2014.08.20 21:12:00 -
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AkJon Ferguson wrote:I love the weaselly lawyer-speak in the OP:
"Second, SOMER Blink advertised the promotion as being GÇ£approved by CCP.GÇ¥ But SOMER Blink never had permission from CCP to make such a statement,"
In other words: Yes, the promotion was approved by CCP. But we didn't give him permission to tell people that it was approved by CCP.
Actually the promotion as it was enacted was not approved by us--nor was it the same as one they had discussed with us previously. That part is in the paragraph after the one you quoted.
So what you quoted above is us saying that we didn't give permission to SOMER Blink to say the non-approved promotion was approved by us.
As, one would imagine would be a thing we would do.
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