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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2014.08.20 21:26:00 -
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Thread temporarily closed for some cleaning. ISD Ezwal Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Succendus Tegimens
Hey Fatty With Your Thick Face
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Posted - 2014.08.20 21:26:00 -
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Lae Allier wrote:Hendrick Tallardar wrote:Brahan Seer wrote: Ridiculous. You want fair than yeah you should be banned siggy creators should be banned killboards should be banned. They get isk and have an account business related. The EULA clearly states you can't have an EvE account or play EvE for business purposes. Do I think thats right? No. But its the rules so if were going to **** SomerBlink than everyone should get ****** equally for that is justice.
Except that in the case of Zkillboard, Dotlan, CZ, TMC etc. there is no in-game reward for using their referral links. They aren't providing any incentive other than "help us keep this running and that's all we ask." Somer however, were offering ISK credits last year and then attempting to do the same through a PLEX buyback program. They aren't comparable like you're attempting to portray. Sorry but the companys you just mentioned are run as a business model and make real money out of it so that too is against CCP rules so I want to see the owners banned publicly as well, as it states - Accounts may not be used for business purposes. Access to the System and playing EVE is intended for your personal entertainment, enjoyment and recreation, and not for corporate, business, commercial or income-seeking activities. All of the formentioned "companys" recieve real money as a result of EVE Online. I will be pursuing this further !
We are quaking in our boots that some rando renter is mad.
TMC is not RMT. CCP investigated us last year and told us to abide by a set of community guidelines which clearly state that we may only give ISK to writers if they are writing about EVE. We follow those guidelines to the letter; I should know, I do all payroll calculations and the very first step is "did they write about EVE or another game."
Sites like TMC, EN24, CZ, zKill, and so on are not RMT, as laid out by CCP in the afterment of Somergate 1.0. You can flail your arms and scream until you are blue in the face, but you are wrong. Not just from CCP's angle, but by the angle of any person with a brain.
So lay this out like it really is. You're a disgruntled nobody angry at goons because ~goons~ and you're lashing out. Be honest with yourself. |
Amantus
Snuff Box
348
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Posted - 2014.08.20 22:00:00 -
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this suck's man! i had some plex credits to use! |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
11249
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Posted - 2014.08.20 22:00:00 -
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Again, if you feel that TMC is doing RMT, report them. [email protected]
Just don't get mad and all "grrrr ccp is goons" when nothing happens, because you'd be refusing to acknowledge the significantly more likely possibility that you're simply wrong about it. Enjoying the rain today? ;) |
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CCP Falcon
8284
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Posted - 2014.08.20 22:01:00 -
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A quick point of note:
I'm the one moderating this thread, so the more you spam it and cause issues, the more time it's going to take for you to get answers to the questions I'm trying to respond to.
Also, break the forum rules, and you'll lose your posting privileges.
Answers to questions incoming once I've cleaned up the mess. CCP Falcon || Community Manager || @CCP_Falcon
Happy Birthday To FAWLTY7! <3 |
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Dutow Sa
Force Vision Northern Associates.
0
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Posted - 2014.08.20 22:01:00 -
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CCP Manifest wrote:AkJon Ferguson wrote:*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.
"Second, SOMER Blink advertised the promotion as being GÇ£approved by CCP.GÇ¥ But SOMER Blink never had permission from CCP to make such a statement,"
In other words: Yes, the promotion was approved by CCP. But we didn't give him permission to tell people that it was approved by CCP. Actually the promotion as it was enacted was not approved by us--nor was it the same as one they had discussed with us previously. That part is in the paragraph after the one you quoted. So what you quoted above is us saying that we didn't give permission to SOMER Blink to say the non-approved promotion was approved by us. As, one would imagine would be a thing we would do.
Based on the document published by Somer, he did run the same promotion, OR he published another document, not the one sent to you. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
11249
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Posted - 2014.08.20 22:04:00 -
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Dutow Sa wrote:CCP Manifest wrote:AkJon Ferguson wrote:*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.
"Second, SOMER Blink advertised the promotion as being GÇ£approved by CCP.GÇ¥ But SOMER Blink never had permission from CCP to make such a statement,"
In other words: Yes, the promotion was approved by CCP. But we didn't give him permission to tell people that it was approved by CCP. Actually the promotion as it was enacted was not approved by us--nor was it the same as one they had discussed with us previously. That part is in the paragraph after the one you quoted. So what you quoted above is us saying that we didn't give permission to SOMER Blink to say the non-approved promotion was approved by us. As, one would imagine would be a thing we would do. Based on the document published by Somer, he did run the same promotion, OR he published another document, not the one sent to you. Then you didn't read it very carefully, because it outright lies about the incentive offered by the promotion. Enjoying the rain today? ;) |
Madora Galtaki
Annie's Teddy Bear Productions The Methodical Alliance
0
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Posted - 2014.08.20 22:06:00 -
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I know there are a lot of players out there who are saying good riddance to SomerBlink, but there are also a great many of us who are greatly saddened in saying goodbye to Somer.
Playing on SomerBlink is the biggest reason I have maintained an active account for the past year. In the five years that I've been playing Eve, my account has had a lot of sporadic inactive time. Blink has given me a reason to keep my account active even when I needed to take a break from Eve. I never participated in the recent PLEX buying service, but I enjoyed playing blinks and promos and participating in celebration events. I personally know a person whose account was inactive for nearly two years, had no intention of ever returning to Eve, and is only active now because of SomerBlink and his interest in playing the raffles with in-game currency.
In answer to those who doubt that Eve players with a Blink Credit balance will ever see that ISK again, I have already been issued a deposit from Blink's corporate account in game. I'm sure there are a lot of players to compensate.
I can't say I'm dissatisfied with the way CCP has handled the situation. As a player with an invested interest in Blink, I am appreciative of the public updates made by CCP.
Goodbye Somer, I will greatly miss you. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
23981
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Posted - 2014.08.20 22:06:00 -
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Brahan Seer wrote:Well you pay ISk for siggy / Killboardz that isk than goes to a corprations account. GǪand that does not make it a business. You can't pay your bills with ISK, you know.
Madora Galtaki wrote:I know there are a lot of players out there who are saying good riddance to SomerBlink, but there are also a great many of us who are greatly saddened in saying goodbye to Somer.
Playing on SomerBlink is the biggest reason I have maintained an active account for the past year. In the five years that I've been playing Eve, my account has had a lot of sporadic inactive time. Blink has given me a reason to keep my account active even when I needed to take a break from Eve. I never participated in the recent PLEX buying service, but I enjoyed playing blinks and promos and participating in celebration events. I personally know a person whose account was inactive for nearly two years, had no intention of ever returning to Eve, and is only active now because of SomerBlink and his interest in playing the raffles with in-game currency. I wouldn't worry. The lottery is a fun enough idea that someone will pick it up and run with it soon enough and you'll be right back to cursing your luck.
If there's anything the last decade has shown, it is that if there's a market, someone will provide. With this, a huge market opportunity just opened up. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2. |
Hendrick Tallardar
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
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Posted - 2014.08.20 22:06:00 -
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Brahan Seer wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Brahan Seer wrote:Well you pay ISk for siggy / Killboardz that isk than goes to a corprations account. Which i assume is used for something, if its not why do those sites charge isk? Now theorethically if that ISK really just sits in a corp wallet and is never touched sure I would agree its not for business purposes and no violation occurring. But do either of us really think those piggy banks aren't touched by the players who created those services? That's not a business. CCP explicitly allows payment in ISK for EVE related services, such as creating sigs and banners, running servers for Teamspeak/Mumble/Jabber/etc., and writing articles. How is it not a business? What stops them from selling PLEX or ISK or whatever? They should be fully investigated just like Somer. Cause it is a Business just becausee a business doesn't make money doesn't mean its not a business.
Since you seem to be dead set on this: CCP Manifest or CCP Falcon can you please comment in reference to my first post in this thread to clarify if sites like EVENews24.com, TheMittani.com etc. are in violation of RMT policy or the other policies and what those other policies are for those who aren't aware? Thanks.
Edit - Referenced post - https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4933788#post4933788 LeeSsang. Never Forget. |
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Enaris Kerle
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
144
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Posted - 2014.08.20 22:08:00 -
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Dutow Sa wrote:Based on the document published by Somer, he did run the same promotion, OR he published another document, not the one sent to you. What his proposal states:
Quote:Blink provides no extra ISK or bonus Blink credit for buying through the link. What actually happened:
Quote:Blink buys your PLEX at market value plus some extra ISK, provided you gave them IRL money first by buying a GTC through their affiliate link Gallente born and raised, and tutored as a pleasure slave and courtesan to the exotic tastes of the Amarri court. Jade's career veered violently off course when a diplomatic envoy's transport was blown to pieces in mysterious circumstances and she was rescued from the escape pods by the enigmatic genetic mastermind Athule Snanm. |
Ace Boogi
Republic University Minmatar Republic
291
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Posted - 2014.08.20 22:09:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:A quick point of note:
I'm the one moderating this thread, so the more you spam it and cause issues, the more time it's going to take for you to get answers to the questions I'm trying to respond to.
Also, break the forum rules, and you'll lose your posting privileges.
Answers to questions incoming once I've cleaned up the mess. I'm not sure if this has been asked yet, but what will happen to the Somerblink corporate account now that the founder is gone? Will the isk and assets be frozen once refunds/reimbursements have been completed, or will the surviving people with access have unfettered access to what remains? Also, is CCP watching for any potential isk laundering during these reimbursement transfers? With the amount of isk involved, I would imagine there would be temptation to make billions, if not trillions, quietly disappear and perhaps be used in the future for nefarious purposes. |
Dutow Sa
Force Vision Northern Associates.
0
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Posted - 2014.08.20 22:13:00 -
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Enaris Kerle wrote:Dutow Sa wrote:Based on the document published by Somer, he did run the same promotion, OR he published another document, not the one sent to you. What his proposal states: Quote:Blink provides no extra ISK or bonus Blink credit for buying through the link. What actually happened: Quote:Blink buys your PLEX at market value plus some extra ISK, provided you gave them IRL money first by buying a GTC through their affiliate link
Yeah, but a few lines above that:
Quote:(so you can't just go buy PLEX in Jita and resell them to Blink for more than you paid)
The last paragraph is about this too.
To me, it's very clear from that document, that he intended to buy plex from players above market price. And it's very hard to interpret it any other way...
edit: but it also doesn't change my question: is this the document sent to CCP for approvement, or not? |
111010110
The Darwin Initiative
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Posted - 2014.08.20 22:16:00 -
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Ace Boogi wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:A quick point of note:
I'm the one moderating this thread, so the more you spam it and cause issues, the more time it's going to take for you to get answers to the questions I'm trying to respond to.
Also, break the forum rules, and you'll lose your posting privileges.
Answers to questions incoming once I've cleaned up the mess. I'm not sure if this has been asked yet, but what will happen to the Somerblink corporate account now that the founder is gone? Will the isk and assets be frozen once refunds/reimbursements have been completed, or will the surviving people with access have unfettered access to what remains? Also, is CCP watching for any potential isk laundering during these reimbursement transfers? With the amount of isk involved, I would imagine there would be temptation to make billions, if not trillions, quietly disappear and perhaps be used in the future for nefarious purposes.
Can't speak for Falcon, but I presume you mean accounts from other people present in the in-game corporation of Somer?
Cause CCP doesn't have corporate or business type accounts.
You can rest assured though they'll watch like a hawk if rules are broken by anyone connected. Or in general.
But yeah, where it comes to in game activities not connected to Somer and his account, technically anyone with access can run off with the loot. EVE's a cold and dark place after all.
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Deka Ekato
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
146
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Posted - 2014.08.20 22:17:00 -
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CCP,
- Can you please clarify that one of the reasons that Somer was punnished for was for RMT? - What about CCP's involement in all of this?
I just feel that punnishing Somer is simply a start to fixing this SomerGate debarcle. |
Sniper Smith
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
192
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Posted - 2014.08.20 22:19:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Second, SOMER Blink advertised the promotion as being GÇ£approved by CCP.GÇ¥ But SOMER Blink never had permission from CCP to make such a statement, which misled our players, and is no different than someone pretending to be an authorized representative of CCP (look at paragraph 8 of our Terms of Service). This is a serious violation because it undermines the safety and security of EVE.
Having read the leaked E-Mails, there's no way, NO WAY you can say they didn't get authorization and approval. To say anything else is disingenuous at best.
Now we can argue over if what they sent and what they did are the same thing.. Personally I again put the blame on CCP, how could you not ask the single most Obvious question? "How are you going to determine the purchase price?"
And it not going through Legal? That's not the fault of Blink.. He ASKED for it to go through Legal and was told that her authorization is all that was needed.
Don't get me wrong, SomerBink has their fair share of mistakes in this whole process. But all of it, ALL OF IT would have been prevented by a little common sense being applied at CCP.
And this applied to not just this event.. All the Crap Somer took when CCP decided to give Blink Employees special ships.. Or give Blink ships to give out for the celebration?
How about shutting down their "RMT" that you guys ignored for YEARS, while the same time advertising them regularly on the Char Selection Page, and the Community section.
If left to CCP would we even have heard that they got their Authorization? That Somer even asked for it to go to Legal? This to me is more about CCP covering their own ass and giving in to pressure, than actually sorting out the issues that caused this whole mess. |
Dutow Sa
Force Vision Northern Associates.
0
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Posted - 2014.08.20 22:23:00 -
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Deka Ekato wrote:CCP,
- Can you please clarify that one of the reasons that Somer was punnished for was for RMT? - What about CCP's involement in all of this?
I just feel that punnishing Somer is simply a start to fixing this SomerGate debarcle.
This. Unless you can clarify that he was involved in RMT, this entire situation looks like that you banned him for something that was at least 50% your own fault... |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
11250
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Posted - 2014.08.20 22:24:00 -
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Dutow Sa wrote:To me, it's very clear from that document Yes, hindsight is 20/20. But remember also that this was in an discussion with the VP of Sales, who may not even play the game at all. And again, he explicitly stated the Blink would offer no extra ISK for buying through the link - a lie. Enjoying the rain today? ;) |
Ace Boogi
Republic University Minmatar Republic
291
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Posted - 2014.08.20 22:24:00 -
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Hope you're enjoying the rain today ;) |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5910
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Posted - 2014.08.20 22:25:00 -
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What are you going to do internally to prevent this from happening in the future? This post was lovingly crafted by a member of the Goonwaffe Posting Cabal, proud member of the popular gay hookup site somethingawful.com, Spelling Bee & Grammar Gestapo. |
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Cherry Yeyo
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Posted - 2014.08.20 22:27:00 -
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Ace Boogi wrote:Enjoying the rain today? ;) I for one, am enjoying the rain today CCP Rise>Sentry drones have enormous downsides |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
23984
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Posted - 2014.08.20 22:29:00 -
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Cherry Yeyo wrote:Ace Boogi wrote:Enjoying the rain today? ;) I for one, am enjoying the rain today I'm not sure rain is supposed to be this saltyGǪ GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2. |
Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders
1863
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Posted - 2014.08.20 22:31:00 -
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Dutow Sa wrote:Deka Ekato wrote:CCP,
- Can you please clarify that one of the reasons that Somer was punnished for was for RMT? - What about CCP's involement in all of this?
I just feel that punnishing Somer is simply a start to fixing this SomerGate debarcle. This. Unless you can clarify that he was involved in RMT, this entire situation looks like that you banned him for something that was at least 50% your own fault... He was actually banned 50%, rounded up. Make space glamorous! Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter! |
AlphaMike1
Dirt 'n' Glitter I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
1
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Posted - 2014.08.20 22:32:00 -
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Time to move to IWANTISK! |
Dutow Sa
Force Vision Northern Associates.
0
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Posted - 2014.08.20 22:33:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Dutow Sa wrote:To me, it's very clear from that document Yes, hindsight is 20/20. But remember also that this was in an discussion with the VP of Sales, who may not even play the game at all. And again, he explicitly stated the Blink would offer no extra ISK for buying through the link - a lie.
Who was asked to forward it to the legal department, and reply with a written confirmation after that.
Any lawyer can figure out, that the 'for buying through the link' means exactly that part, and not the entire process. |
Riela Tanal
Repercussus RAZOR Alliance
41
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Posted - 2014.08.20 22:33:00 -
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Since my question most likely got burried with the rage posts and trolling.
CCP Falcon, does this issue with SOMER Blink have any affect on the prizes they donated to Theomachy?
We have handed those out to players already. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
150
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Posted - 2014.08.20 22:37:00 -
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Dutow Sa wrote:Deka Ekato wrote:CCP,
- Can you please clarify that one of the reasons that Somer was punnished for was for RMT? - What about CCP's involement in all of this?
I just feel that punnishing Somer is simply a start to fixing this SomerGate debarcle. This. Unless you can clarify that he was involved in RMT, this entire situation looks like that you banned him for something that was at least 50% your own fault...
Don't be daft. CCP's had a longstanding policy of not revealing any details about RMT investigations to the public. In this instance, they've confirmed the items already on the public record. Nor have they said for even a moment that they're blameless in this themselves - in fact, Falcon's pretty much given as much of a mea culpa for the company as responsible disciplinary policies allow, short of Lisa herself coming her and falling on her sword for your entertainment. And in most companies, she's probably heavily encouraged not to do that, as it goes against established procedures and sets an absolutely terrible precedent. |
Synar Earthoof
OSD Clan FleetCom Silver Dragonz
15
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Posted - 2014.08.20 22:38:00 -
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So let me get this straight. Buying a plex... and then trading it for isk. Is now bannable. That's essentially the short of why you went after Somer. Since it doesn't look like you could get financial logs to prove a kick back.
Essentialy: I buy plex from EvE site normally. I prefer to use Markee, and then I just dump it on market for about 15% above market average. Thus increasing my potential isk markup because someone is always dumb enough to buy without looking.
Because someone just payed me 15% more isk than a plex was worth at the time, I should in essence now be banned for having sold that isk on the market at a substantial mark up. That isk is then funneled into either manufacturing new ships, or used to be into blink so I could just blink on random stuff and then collect the isk payouts from them.
Cause in this case, god forbid I want to use any of the lottery sites as the logic instated puts me clearly in the wrong because I sell my plex's at a mark up, and then use the isk to gamble my day away at work when i can't play EvE.
*waits to get slapped in cuffs* |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
11250
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Posted - 2014.08.20 22:38:00 -
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Dutow Sa wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Dutow Sa wrote:To me, it's very clear from that document Yes, hindsight is 20/20. But remember also that this was in an discussion with the VP of Sales, who may not even play the game at all. And again, he explicitly stated the Blink would offer no extra ISK for buying through the link - a lie. Who was asked to forward it to the legal department, and reply with a written confirmation after that. Any lawyer can figure out, that the 'for buying through the link' means exactly that part, and not the entire process. The extra ISK would not have been offered if nor for having bought the PLEX through the link.
There is a direct causal chain between buying PLEX through the link and getting extra ISK for it, which means that the sentence is a lie. Whatever happens in between is irrelevant. Enjoying the rain today? ;) |
Hendrick Tallardar
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
201
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Posted - 2014.08.20 22:42:00 -
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Riela Tanal wrote:Since my question most likely got burried with the rage posts and trolling.
CCP Falcon, does this issue with SOMER Blink have any affect on the prizes they donated to Theomachy?
We have handed those out to players already.
My guess is it won't. If there were assets tied up on Somer's end (i.e. not contracted over) then you may be SOL. I don't think CCP will take any ISK or assets from you since they came from Somer. LeeSsang. Never Forget. |
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