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Dradius Calvantia
Creative Cookie Procuring Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2011.11.23 01:13:00 -
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What is with all these suicide ganker whine threads?
Yes, there are many changes coming up in the new expansion that are going to affect the performance of a very large number of ships in the game. These changes are probably going to go a long way towards fixing some of the problems with combat in EVE caused by 18 months of stagnation. At the very least, they are going to cause the current fleet doctrines to be shaken up a bit, and people are going to rethink how they play the game.
What these changes do not make one bit of difference to, is how trivially easy it is to gank people who are being unattentive or just plain stupid in high sec. It is easy to kill you now, it will continue to be easy after the expansion. These changes may slightly alter the tactics that gankers use, but it really does not matter if they use a 50 mill isk hurricane, a 100 mill isk tempest, a 70 mill isk tornado, or a couple 1 mill isk thrashers to gank your 10 billion isk T1 hauler. It is still very profitable and very easy.
Hell, you guys are even getting your insurance pay out nerf; so please quit whining already.
TL:DR
Suicide ganking has been around since the beginning of EVE, and will continue to exist after the expansion. None of the changes to ships or insurance payouts are going to have any kind of noticeable effect on the frequency gankings. |
EvEa Deva
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.11.23 01:18:00 -
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ok................... |
Minister of Death
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.11.23 01:19:00 -
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nothing to see here, OP is dumb like a rock |
Jojo Jackson
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Posted - 2011.11.23 01:22:00 -
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David Grogan
The Motley Crew Reborn
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Posted - 2011.11.23 01:24:00 -
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Dradius Calvantia wrote:What is with all these suicide ganker whine threads?
Yes, there are many changes coming up in the new expansion that are going to affect the performance of a very large number of ships in the game. These changes are probably going to go a long way towards fixing some of the problems with combat in EVE caused by 18 months of stagnation. At the very least, they are going to cause the current fleet doctrines to be shaken up a bit, and people are going to rethink how they play the game.
What these changes do not make one bit of difference to, is how trivially easy it is to gank people who are being unattentive or just plain stupid in high sec. It is easy to kill you now, it will continue to be easy after the expansion. These changes may slightly alter the tactics that gankers use, but it really does not matter if they use a 50 mill isk hurricane, a 100 mill isk tempest, a 70 mill isk tornado, or a couple 1 mill isk thrashers to gank your 10 billion isk T1 hauler. It is still very profitable and very easy.
Hell, you guys are even getting your insurance pay out nerf; so please quit whining already.
TL:DR
Suicide ganking has been around since the beginning of EVE, and will continue to exist after the expansion. None of the changes to ships or insurance payouts are going to have any kind of noticeable effect on the frequency gankings.
what ganked people are complaining about is the fact that CCP have made suicide ganking even more easier. Yet nothing has been done to help gank victims in return.
insurance nerf is not going to stop gankers especially now destroyers are getting buffed... so with a 3mil isk fitted ship u can one shot a 220mil fitted ship. that hardly seems fair.... and also there is no way for anyone flying a t1 mining barge to fit a tank let alone one that can withstand a volley from a destroyer even before the destroyer gets the buff next week.
if ganker ships get a buff ccp need to also give mining barges and exumers a hp & mid slot buff too. Everytime you buy something that says "made in china" you are helping the rising unemployment in your own country unless you are from china, Buy locally produced goods and help create more jobs. |
Dirk Magnum
Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2011.11.23 01:27:00 -
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Jojo Jackson wrote:While PvP players (or the one who want to be PvP players) tend to spam forums (same for nearly all games) ... PvE players usualy don't do it.
Maybe some PvE players noticed, that spamming forums can have an effect ;).
You know, most PvE player don't post in forums even if they outnumber PvP players by far in most games.
Opposite Day comes to the Eve forums "For example, if you are thinking about selling a Republic Fleet Firetail as a regular Firetail, be sure that the market volume is high on regular Firetails and that there are plenty of buy/sell contracts for Republic Fleet Firetails. [...] The players most interested in Republic Fleet Firetails are going to be players flying regular ones."-á -- PB |
Alyssa Yotosala
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.11.23 01:52:00 -
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YAY OP!! Yet another whine thread!
If there's one thing these forums need, its another whine thread.
But if there's yet another thing these forums need, its a whine thread about whine threads.
U so awesome OP! |
Jojo Jackson
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Posted - 2011.11.23 01:56:00 -
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David Grogan wrote:if ganker ships get a buff ccp need to also give mining barges and exumers a hp & mid slot buff too.
[Covetor, defens WTF??] [empty low slot] [empty low slot]
[empty med slot]
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
180/250 CPU 36/43.75 grid
Use MEDIUM T2 shield extender result in 214/250 CPU 59.25/43.75 grid
Not able to fit a MEDIUM extender on a MEDIUM hull where people normaly fitt LARGE extender on every cruiser size hull??
Fit defens ????
BAD JOKE! |
T' Elk
Happy Little Spaceships
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Posted - 2011.11.23 02:27:00 -
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So in essence you are whining about the whining threads, which is by far worse than the whining threads themselves... You sir have just been nominated for the Darwin Awards. God wears-áRay Ban Aviators. |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
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Posted - 2011.11.23 03:33:00 -
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People will whine because they want what they don't have.
In this case, some miners want to be able to mine afk without risk. They want to have it easy, while having gankers have it hard. But the reality is, if you mine easy, you make ganking easy.
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Serene Repose
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.11.23 03:51:00 -
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...we are called...to meet the challenge of a principle which, if it were to prevail, would be fatal to any civilised order.... Such a principle, stripped of all disguise, is surely the mere primitive doctrine that might is right; and if this principle were established...freedom...would be in danger.
But far more than this...people would be kept in the bondage of fear, and all hopes of settled peace and of the security of justice and liberty...would be ended. This is the ultimate issue which confronts us.
For the sake of all that we ourselves hold dear, and [that] of order and peace, it is unthinkable that we should refuse to meet the challenge.
George VI, King of England
Smokestack lightnin' shinin' just like gold. |
Amro One
One.
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Posted - 2011.11.23 03:52:00 -
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Can I have your stuff? |
non judgement
Without Fear Flying Burning Ships Alliance
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Posted - 2011.11.23 04:55:00 -
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T' Elk wrote:So in essence you are whining about the whining threads, which is by far worse than the whining threads themselves... You sir have just been nominated for the Darwin Awards. I thought you had to die to get that award :P |
Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.11.23 05:31:00 -
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Ppl get pissed when CCP starts handing the game over to the Goons
then again... see sig. Theyre already ******. They just dont know it lol Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you. |
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.11.23 05:31:00 -
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Richard Hammond II wrote:Ppl get pissed
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Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.11.23 05:49:00 -
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Richard Hammond II wrote:Ppl get pissed when CCP starts handing the game over to the Goons
then again... see sig. Theyre already ******. They just dont know it lol
refixt
Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you. |
Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
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Posted - 2011.11.23 06:00:00 -
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Jojo Jackson wrote:David Grogan wrote:if ganker ships get a buff ccp need to also give mining barges and exumers a hp & mid slot buff too. [Covetor, defens WTF??] Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I 180/250 CPU 36/43.75 grid Use MEDIUM T2 shield extender result in 214/250 CPU 59.25/43.75 gridNot able to fit a MEDIUM extender on a MEDIUM hull where people normaly fitt LARGE extender on every cruiser size hull?? True, I almost forgot if you want to get some hp on your miner you have to sacrifice efficiency - not as if mining is very proitable to start with. I wonder why are people still doing it in the first place? |
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
74
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Posted - 2011.11.23 06:21:00 -
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Jennifer Starling wrote:Jojo Jackson wrote:David Grogan wrote:if ganker ships get a buff ccp need to also give mining barges and exumers a hp & mid slot buff too. [Covetor, defens WTF??] Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I 180/250 CPU 36/43.75 grid Use MEDIUM T2 shield extender result in 214/250 CPU 59.25/43.75 gridNot able to fit a MEDIUM extender on a MEDIUM hull where people normaly fitt LARGE extender on every cruiser size hull?? True, I almost forgot if you want to get some hp on your miner you have to sacrifice efficiency - not as if mining is very proitable to start with. I wonder why are people still doing it in the first place?
Well the one doing it are the one who plays EVE as glorified IRC client. Or are engaged in some other activites. |
Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
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Posted - 2011.11.23 06:26:00 -
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YAY!! Yet ANOTHER lame gank-w4nk thread!! Poast moar please!
-10/10 The universe is an ancient desert, a vast wasteland with only occasional habitable planets as oases. We Fremen, comfortable with deserts, shall now venture into another. - STILGAR, From the Sietch to the Stars. |
Pok Nibin
Viziam Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.11.23 08:21:00 -
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Thorn Galen wrote:YAY!! Yet ANOTHER lame gank-w4nk thread!! Poast moar please!
-10/10 Wow. You do adolescent very well. My compliments.
Don't fight it.-á Rejoin your Amarrian patriarchs.-á You know you want to. |
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Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
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Posted - 2011.11.23 10:54:00 -
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Can I have your stuff?
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
980
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Posted - 2011.11.23 11:15:00 -
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Quote:[Hulk, New Setup 1] Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II
Heat Dissipation Field II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Photon Scattering Field II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
fits with a CPU implant, tell me more about hulks not being able to fit tanks |
David Grogan
The Motley Crew Reborn
228
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Posted - 2011.11.23 13:20:00 -
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Andski wrote:Quote:[Hulk, New Setup 1] Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II
Heat Dissipation Field II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Photon Scattering Field II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I fits with a CPU implant, tell me more about hulks not being able to fit tanks
read my post again about not being able to fit a tank to a t1 mining barge, and then try fit a destroyer proof tank in a t1 barge?
i never said hulks cannot fit a tank... but even with your hulk fit try it out on the test server vs the newly buffed destroyers.... hulk will instapop almost every time in 0.5 -0.7 sec systems provided your destroyer pilot has good gunnery skills and gunnery hard-wiring implants Everytime you buy something that says "made in china" you are helping the rising unemployment in your own country unless you are from china, Buy locally produced goods and help create more jobs. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
980
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Posted - 2011.11.23 14:55:00 -
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t1 barges are cheap, who cares
unless mining is literally your only source of income, here's a solution: don't mine |
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