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Deja Thoris
Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.07.22 21:05:00 -
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Originally by: Pardack Edited by: Pardack on 22/07/2006 20:50:42
Originally by: Deja Thoris I dont cushion my posts with cuddly "go boy!" \o/ cheerleading. It does not make me uphelpful.
If people read my post they can pick up 3 survival skills, but no, its easier to concerntrate on the negative because we disagree right?
I won't get into a flame fest with you. You said nothing that contributed to the thread except that you know a lot of newbies that handle low-sec fine and the OP can't.
It's true.
I suppose I could have written a 3 page handbook like you going into pve and pvp tactics including small gang warfare and implants (very helpful)
Here, I'll sum it up and leave the thread.
The OP died in lowsec. Get over it. Just because lowsec is no good for the OP does not mean it has no place in the game.
Also, proof once again that player skills trump SP.
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Haniblecter Teg
F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control
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Posted - 2006.07.22 21:17:00 -
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Originally by: zat evad 2 years ago I gave up on low sec space cause of the hassle from player pirates and the cost / benefit ratio was lousy. Today I decided to go to a nice little 0.4 to do some ratting for a change. Took a Raven kitted out with tech 2 cruise and full set of tech 2 shield hardners. I mistakenly thought even if i get into a fight it should be fun and at least last a while. How wrong I was!!! Pirate turns up and I try to cloak. yup cloaked but he obviously saw me cause he's barrelling straight for me trailing a hoard of drones. less than 2 mins later I'm in a pod. barely even time to try and discuss terms. I think I might have just about managed to get into his armor(He was flying a megathron) What a waste of time and effort. 38 mill sp and a host of tech 2 gear and a fight lasts seconds against a much younger player
So thanks Kodos for the lesson. Yet another Carebear learns (re-learns) what a waste of time low sec is. I think I'll just carry on enjoying Eve without bothering with pvp
Please don't misunderstand. This is not a moan at pirates or even pvp. just the way it's implemented in eve
Oh well back to mining - At least I can get more than 2 mins fun out of shooting ateroids
Go to 00, low sec is rife with pirates and stupid lambs like you. ---------------------------------------- Friends Forever
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Pardack
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.22 21:48:00 -
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Edited by: Pardack on 22/07/2006 21:50:09
Originally by: Deja Thoris It's true. The OP died in lowsec. Get over it. Just because lowsec is no good for the OP does not mean it has no place in the game.
I agree with you on the lowsec death. The OP died. I'm over it BUT you say lowsec is no good for the OP, I say it is, if the pilot has some help.
Originally by: Deja Thoris Also, proof once again that player skills trump SP.
I've never disagreed with this. In-game skills do trump SPs, no doubt.
Would you rather PvP the person who ventures into low-sec and just wreck'em in 1 min, or someone who actually puts up some kind of fight?
So I try to help out and impart some experience from my time in EVE...We have a difference of philospohy.
Hard lessons are tough to learn. It doesn't mean that everyone needs to learn the same hard way you/I did. It also doesn't mean that people can't learn the same lesson other than by experience. You can help out or not. I'll leave it at that.
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Ernest Graefenberg
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.23 00:05:00 -
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Edited by: Ernest Graefenberg on 23/07/2006 00:05:17 My titan with 8 expanded cargoholds was popped by a pirate ibis after I cloaked. That's it, I'm quitting lowsec and going back to mining Veld.
Edit : Okay so I have no idea how many lows a titan has, and I'm not even going to bother looking. Grargh.
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zat evad
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.23 12:47:00 -
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mmmmm I'm sorry that my flustration at my in-experience causes so much angst in people To clear up a few points. Yes I did know that low sec can be worse than 0.0 Yes I did know the risks Yes I have spent months mining Bis / ark / merc in 0.0, wayback when I was an awful lot younger than now and before I'd even realised the importance of continuous skill training Yes I could afford to lose the ship. I have another 2 Ravens on sale if anybody wants to buy them. What I didn't have was ready cash. I rarely do cause I reinvest (Maybe I'll know better now ) No I'm not stupid. And no I didn't forget to turn on hardners No I'm not complaining about pirates or their tactics
The only thing I was intending to object to was how fast it all happened which made the whole exersise worthless to me. I learnt next to nothing constructive about pvp and lost a load of isk. Where is the fun or value in that
To the poster who commented on my morals. - You know nothing of my morals either in game or out. I fail to even see how they are an issue. Constructive posts are are much better than insulting ones. Maybe you could explain what you would have done and then Kodos to explain why you would have lost. at least then there would be some value to your post
And as a final comment to this post. Having had 24 hrs to "get over it" yeh I probably will go lowsec/0.0 when I've mined enough that when i lose again it won't hurt. Probably the wrong attitude "When I lose again" but I know i will. I'll be on the forums to tell you when i make my 1st big "I won in pvp" as long as it was a good honest equal fight
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Android Mindslave
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Posted - 2006.07.24 12:23:00 -
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I'm a noob and all, but wouldn't it make more sense to build/buy a big stack of frigs and learn how to PvP in those until you have them figured out.
I'd expect your going to make a ton of stupid mistakes. Why pay for your lessons with 100 million ISK battleships, when you can learn them in 100k frigs.
Plus, if you actually start with frigs, work up to cruisers, battlecruisers, battleships and so on, you will probably learn more. If you have been in the other person's shoes, you know what they want to do, and what they don't want you to do.
Truthfully I think you have a bit of a flaw in your thinking proccess. Having the biggest and baddest technology you can get your hands on won't make you good at something. Experiance is what counts, good equipment is just giving yourself an edge. You can have all the trump in the world and still get out played.
I also don't belive that you 'didn't learn anything'. You learned that you don't know wtf your doing AT ALL. That is a great starting point. Keep at it until that isn't the case. |
Oosel
Nightmare Holdings Armorum Unitas
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Posted - 2006.07.24 13:21:00 -
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if nothing else he learned one thing the same as i did....i will never ever get involved in solo pvp encounters because as the op was im almost always fitted for npc and will not give them any satisfaction in killing me......watch local like a hawk in low sec the second anyone turns up i go to safe and hit cloak if they stay then i log off and go play something else instead...........
lame yes but why give player rats any more incentive than they currently have i starve them of income and fun as much as they starve me of what i play eve for when im belt ratting
all these people that say go and get 100 frigs and learn to pvp so it wont happen again seem to forget for a big number of players in the game ship pvp isnt for everyone so give him a break and just be thankful he hasnt just said right im off which a good few seem to be doing recently
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Brother Tycho
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.24 13:37:00 -
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people who take a BS to shoot NPCs in low set is the reason we see so many pirates, 0.0 is safer than low sec.
if you want to make a name for yourself play EvE multiplayer and not empire solo mode.
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News
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.24 13:38:00 -
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Originally by: zat evad Probably the wrong attitude "When I lose again" but I know i will.
Actually that's one of the best attitudes you can have. Just make sure that you go back in a ship to match the attitude. In stead of a single t2 fitted raven, you could buy a bunch of t1 fitted caracels. They can easily handle the spawns in lowsec, and people will still pirate you. Go in expecting to lose your ship the first couple of times, but put up a fight (or try to run away if a large number of ships show up) each time you're being attacked. If you make a mistake and die, learn from it and come back in a new caracel.
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Nev Clavain
Wise Guys
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Posted - 2006.07.24 14:09:00 -
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Always fight on your own terms if you are flying solo. Cloaking devices are not nearly effective for escaping as is simply being lined up and moving, so you can go to warp in an instant. The cloaking device becomes handy when you reach your safespot.
So if you have an uber raven setup, but not much PvP experience - leave the Raven for missions or something for now, and take out some worthless cruiser that costs nothing to replace. More importantly, take some friends, and work as a team. Setup your ships to complement each other, and have a rough plan about how you want to engage, and what sort of targets you are looking for (which will effect your setup). Then go and have fun! If it doesn't work out it shouldnt cost too much.
With ECM being what it is right now, even the lowliest frigate can cripple the best HAC. Then all you need to do is enough damage.
Anyway don't give up, just take somethign a little less painful to lose :). PvP is going to involve lots of dying if you are gonna learn how to do it, but dying can be enormously entertaining.
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Sonlatur
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.24 15:19:00 -
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I think your conlusions are wrong. That you lost doesnt mean that you have no talent for pvp. You either go out to rat or to fight. Probably you didnt have your ship fitted right, maybe you didnt react right. The fight started on the pirate's terms (optimal range and such).
The attacker in EVE has a huge advantage - on the other side there are many game mechanics that guarantee nearly 100% chance of escape. Both is bad design, but thats the way it is.
If you had played EVE for such a long time i think you should experience the heat of battle at least once. A close fight is so thrilling...
Try it again. But different: Dont take a bship into lowsec at the beginning. If you want to get used to lowsec first, take a T1 frig and rat there. Since your char is old you will get jumped quite regularly (a vet in a T1 frig makes pirates curious) and learn to survive.
Once you're comfortable in lowsec, take a T1-fitted T1 cruiser down there (Caracal might be good since you dont have to consider much with missiles) and look for a fight. You can either pirate, or anti-pirate. In both cases, find a fitting lowsec system (few regulars, many sporadic visitors!) and scan the belts. After a while you'll find a ratter or miner. Now you can either go pirate or patiently wait for a pirate to take the "bait". If you are up to this, make a safespot in scanning distance of the belt and scan it continuously. If the miner is unlucky and you're lucky you'll see a second ship on the scanner after a while. This is probably a pirate looking to fell his prey. Then you jump in and attack the pirate.
Now, this will take hours of waiting and it might not be your way to play the game. But as i said, i think you should feel the heat of a real battle at least once.
-- "Greetings fellow pod pilot. I am Sonlatur of the Sebiestor tribe and you have become a target in my war against the Evil Amarr Empire. Ransom negotiations are possible." |
Nicholas Barker
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.24 15:40:00 -
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if you havn't pvp'd before, you shouldn't pvp in a battleship right off the bat, you need to work your way up. Try a few interceptors (you'll die alot untill you know how to use it well), then anti support cruiser or somthing like that, then a BC to help take down the big boys (i said help, not solo, although it can be done if you know how), and then once you've got some flying hours in and know how to fly in a fleet following orders and monitoring your ships cap and modules and damage and crap like that, you can move up to a battleship and be one of the damage dealers ;) -----------------
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Dash Ripcock
Caldari 0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.08.04 00:34:00 -
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Originally by: zat evad What a waste of time and effort. 38 mill sp and a host of tech 2 gear and a fight lasts seconds against a much younger player.
You realise that Kodos has been breathing PvP for about two and a half years solid? Skillpoints mean nothing in this game if you don't know how to use them, and by golly does Kodos know how this game works.
So yes; a lesson learnt. Don't go into low-security space looking for high rewards if you're not prepared to pay the price should the bad men come knocking.
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