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Rhoofles
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Posted - 2006.07.24 19:10:00 -
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I was doing some random level 1 mission, and noticed an Omber asteroid within one of the deadspaces in 1.0 that the mission generated.
I went there and killed all the NPCs and had to haul some cargo back. I could not load all of the cargo required for the mission in one trip, so bookmarked the location and went to my agent's station. I went back and grabbed the rest of the loot required to complete the mission, still leaving some left over goodies from killing the NPCs.
I finished the mission after warping back to the agent's station. I went back to pick up the leftovers I had there and low and behold I noticed that all of the asteroids disappeared as well. I didn't know if they disappeared or not on my second trip.
My questions are:
1) I'm assuming that accepting the mission generated the asteroid belt and that it despawned upon completion. Correct?
2) In a future mission, could I just not fully complete it and bring out my miner/hauler to gain some materials in 1.0 space that I normally wouldn't be able to mine so safely?
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Dust Rocket
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Posted - 2006.07.24 19:37:00 -
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Correct.
After u turn your mission in asteroids go away. You can mine them roids from YOUR OWN belt.
PS. you can turn missions in after 7 days
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Miss Overlord
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Posted - 2006.07.24 20:12:00 -
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its a sad state of affairs when players have to mine omber within missions rather than asteroid blets (i guess with the kali exploration feature hidden belts will occour anywhere findable nly with a scanner and scan probes but still)
This is the macro problem that is occouring so yes feel free to mine away (mind u i still prefer low sec mining but if it floats youre boat why not)
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Rhoofles
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Posted - 2006.07.24 20:25:00 -
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Originally by: Miss Overlord its a sad state of affairs when players have to mine omber within missions rather than asteroid blets (i guess with the kali exploration feature hidden belts will occour anywhere findable nly with a scanner and scan probes but still)
This is the macro problem that is occouring so yes feel free to mine away (mind u i still prefer low sec mining but if it floats youre boat why not)
I'm a little less than one month in the game and I haven't joined a corp yet. I wanted to experiment a little of everything to find my niche before joining a corp.
I started out mining, although I haven't researched cruisers yet and can't really mine in lower sec space at the moment. Mining is fun as long as I'm doing something else (watching TV, reading the forums, etc), but I can't see that as my main fun in the game.
I've basically only stayed in Empire Space thus far trying to learn everything to do there and build a little nest egg at the same time. Thought this might be an easy way to mine some minerals I don't have easy access to to expiriment with some low end refining/manufacturing to see how that all works.
I've been grinding out level 1 missions for about a week, and my Empire Mining setup (Burst/Mammoth) was in the same region as the mission. Just wanted to make sure I could do it, understand how the hidden belts spawned, and make sure it was "ethical." I try and make sure never to exploit, as the fun for me in MMORPGs is a sense of accomplishment, and I don't get that by cheating.
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Lumel
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.24 21:34:00 -
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I wouldn't worry too much about what Miss Overlord says. If you look through the Missions forum, she responds to a lot of posts with what verges on or treads in to the range of misinformation. She also seems to have something against Omber mining in missions.
To answer your questions...
Quote: 1) I'm assuming that accepting the mission generated the asteroid belt and that it despawned upon completion. Correct?
Yes.
Quote: 2) In a future mission, could I just not fully complete it and bring out my miner/hauler to gain some materials in 1.0 space that I normally wouldn't be able to mine so safely?
The tricky thing about this is that you have to make sure you never get any "objective complete"s in your mission log, even if there are multiple objectives, because then the mission won't respawn after downtime. This makes high end missions like Duo of Death unfarmable without a dedicated tank, but for you, with only a month playing time and level 1 missions, I think most of the missions are fairly straightforward. Just don't kill the target, or enter the last room, etc, and you can mine for the duration of the mission. --- Knowledge won't help us understand |
Rhoofles
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Posted - 2006.07.25 03:52:00 -
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Thanks for the reassurance. I know the game is designed so that if you see something, you are encouraged to take advantage of it at potential cost of standing.
I don't mind playing in the rules of the game, but I don't like feeling like I am taking advantage if it's widely frowned upon.
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Miss Overlord
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Posted - 2006.07.25 03:57:00 -
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Originally by: Rhoofles Thanks for the reassurance. I know the game is designed so that if you see something, you are encouraged to take advantage of it at potential cost of standing.
I don't mind playing in the rules of the game, but I don't like feeling like I am taking advantage if it's widely frowned upon.
* mining within missions is a great idea actually * my beef is with macro miners and the state of affairs where to find omber players have to actually use missions in the first place to mine it (without the strip mining bots there would still be omber in actual belts in empire) * so yeah even my corp mines said missions it might affect prices of omber related mineral (refined) but less than any ISK farmers would * id like to see more diverse mineral types and with the kali random hidden scannable special spots that will move around ie xxx empire system might have a limited amount of bisot spawn up for one day only u would only find it via a scan probe u could then mine it till it was dry
*CCP have stated this and other random special areas will move around the map to make exploration and finding hidden gem spots a part of the kali patch
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Rhoofles
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Posted - 2006.07.25 16:36:00 -
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Originally by: Miss Overlord
* mining within missions is a great idea actually * my beef is with macro miners and the state of affairs where to find omber players have to actually use missions in the first place to mine it (without the strip mining bots there would still be omber in actual belts in empire) * so yeah even my corp mines said missions it might affect prices of omber related mineral (refined) but less than any ISK farmers would * id like to see more diverse mineral types and with the kali random hidden scannable special spots that will move around ie xxx empire system might have a limited amount of bisot spawn up for one day only u would only find it via a scan probe u could then mine it till it was dry
*CCP have stated this and other random special areas will move around the map to make exploration and finding hidden gem spots a part of the kali patch
Glad you responded. I didn't realize you were talking about the macro effect on the economy that macro mining does when reading your first post.
I haven't ventured out into lowsec space outside of trading/courrier missions, so I have yet to see that aspect of the game and its impact. I would assume that macro miners would be a prime target for pirates.
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Craminu
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.25 21:25:00 -
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Edited by: Craminu on 25/07/2006 21:29:44
Originally by: Miss Overlord
Originally by: Rhoofles Thanks for the reassurance. I know the game is designed so that if you see something, you are encouraged to take advantage of it at potential cost of standing.
I don't mind playing in the rules of the game, but I don't like feeling like I am taking advantage if it's widely frowned upon.
* mining within missions is a great idea actually * my beef is with macro miners and the state of affairs where to find omber players have to actually use missions in the first place to mine it (without the strip mining bots there would still be omber in actual belts in empire) * so yeah even my corp mines said missions it might affect prices of omber related mineral (refined) but less than any ISK farmers would * id like to see more diverse mineral types and with the kali random hidden scannable special spots that will move around ie xxx empire system might have a limited amount of bisot spawn up for one day only u would only find it via a scan probe u could then mine it till it was dry
*CCP have stated this and other random special areas will move around the map to make exploration and finding hidden gem spots a part of the kali patch
I dont think there are as many macros as you think. in my system omber are very fast mined. for my self included. i can strip 1 belt in few hours with my mining crew. i dont use macros. and if other players also do the same as me i can se how you might think they are macroing, since i only chat with 1 of the players there. the other ones i hardly reply on convos etc or local. Beside running couple of accounts at the same time arent an big deal while you mine. hehe.
but it can be fun to se what Kali brings out. and if the "hidden" belts are just low sec ones of spread around in empire to.
But mining in missions are pretty cool. since in the system i live in and close surrounding, omber are normally only found max 1day after it comes out. so they never grow big. hehe.
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Pairashoot
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Posted - 2006.07.25 22:23:00 -
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A long time ago I found a spawn of ark, bistot, and crok in a .8 system on the scanner. It was unreachable though as nothing that scan probes could scan for was located near it. I pin pointed it in the system and then asked a GM about it, little info was given about it and a few days later it was gone. I was sad.
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gordon861
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.26 11:25:00 -
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Another thing to note is that the mission belts will spawn rats similar to the local system belts, so don't go afk with your hauler and expect to come back to a full hold. You'll probably be in a pod instead.
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Deja Thoris
Contraband Inc.
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Posted - 2006.07.26 11:30:00 -
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Originally by: Miss Overlord
Originally by: Rhoofles Thanks for the reassurance. I know the game is designed so that if you see something, you are encouraged to take advantage of it at potential cost of standing.
I don't mind playing in the rules of the game, but I don't like feeling like I am taking advantage if it's widely frowned upon.
* mining within missions is a great idea actually * my beef is with macro miners and the state of affairs where to find omber players have to actually use missions in the first place to mine it (without the strip mining bots there would still be omber in actual belts in empire) * so yeah even my corp mines said missions it might affect prices of omber related mineral (refined) but less than any ISK farmers would * id like to see more diverse mineral types and with the kali random hidden scannable special spots that will move around ie xxx empire system might have a limited amount of bisot spawn up for one day only u would only find it via a scan probe u could then mine it till it was dry
*CCP have stated this and other random special areas will move around the map to make exploration and finding hidden gem spots a part of the kali patch
What you post rarely bears any resemblance to the thread topic, its just a random rant on your topic of the day.
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Zorthal Darendal
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.26 12:17:00 -
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Another way u could try to make a bit more ISK is on your drones missions. Some missions require ou to blow up the drone silo - don't, then after each DT the drones come back. They drop alloys with can be reprocessed into minerals, or sold as is.
Just remember that you will loose our time bonus, so check if it is worth all the effort.
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Ver'na Kame
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Posted - 2006.07.26 13:06:00 -
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Edited by: Ver''na Kame on 26/07/2006 13:07:34 Edited by: Ver''na Kame on 26/07/2006 13:06:26 Well, this sounds like good idea, maybe would be good to create some list of missions where you can find interesting asteroids to mine.
And my question: there is many omber roids on missions as far as i know, but are there also some more valuable roids which you can find normaly only in lowsec? Like Hemorphite, Hedbergite, Jaspet etc.... or even 0,0 ores like Ochre etc. ? And i mean all levels of missions - in highsec and in lowsec (not in 0,0).
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Ver'na Kame
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Posted - 2006.07.26 13:12:00 -
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Originally by: Zorthal Darendal Another way u could try to make a bit more ISK is on your drones missions. Some missions require ou to blow up the drone silo - don't, then after each DT the drones come back. They drop alloys with can be reprocessed into minerals, or sold as is.
Just remember that you will loose our time bonus, so check if it is worth all the effort.
Oh yes, we do it in corp and it is good way how to collect great amounts of minerals, very good.
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Rhoofles
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Posted - 2006.07.26 14:40:00 -
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Originally by: Zorthal Darendal Another way u could try to make a bit more ISK is on your drones missions. Some missions require ou to blow up the drone silo - don't, then after each DT the drones come back. They drop alloys with can be reprocessed into minerals, or sold as is.
Just remember that you will loose our time bonus, so check if it is worth all the effort.
What does DT stand for?
I actually ran that mission twice last night, but never noticed a respawn of drones.
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Kamikazi ONE
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Posted - 2006.07.26 14:46:00 -
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DT = downtime
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Rhoofles
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Posted - 2006.07.26 16:10:00 -
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How long must I wait for a respawn...X number of seconds, random, etc? I doubt that this mission would be worth farming the minerals as I have found a lot more profitable things to do.
However, this would be something to keep in mind for future ratting or farming other missions.
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Ver'na Kame
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Posted - 2006.07.27 06:04:00 -
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Originally by: Rhoofles How long must I wait for a respawn...X number of seconds, random, etc? I doubt that this mission would be worth farming the minerals as I have found a lot more profitable things to do.
However, this would be something to keep in mind for future ratting or farming other missions.
There is no X seconds or something like that. You have to wait just one day till next downtime (usually 11:00 - 12:00 GMT, you know what we mean, aren't you?). E.G. Infiltrated Outposts - leave rogue drone silos alone and after next downtime all drones will be respawned.
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Baldour Ngarr
Artemis Rising
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Posted - 2006.07.27 08:33:00 -
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Originally by: Ver'na Kame And my question: there is many omber roids on missions as far as i know, but are there also some more valuable roids which you can find normaly only in lowsec? Like Hemorphite, Hedbergite, Jaspet etc.... or even 0,0 ores like Ochre etc. ? And i mean all levels of missions - in highsec and in lowsec (not in 0,0).
Proven: missions in 0.1 sec won't generate anything higher than omber.
Suspected: they won't in 0.0 either.
There was a time, long ago, when I used to mine dark ochre out of a mission, but I haven't seen any since I can't even remember when. ________________________________________________
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Miss Overlord
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Posted - 2006.07.27 08:46:00 -
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guess CCP took the dark orchre out
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Mitsurugii
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.27 14:33:00 -
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Originally by: gordon861 Another thing to note is that the mission belts will spawn rats similar to the local system belts, so don't go afk with your hauler and expect to come back to a full hold. You'll probably be in a pod instead.
I`ve done a fair amount of "mission mining" and never seen any belt rat spawns, maybe i`ve just got very lucky but i`ve found it 99% safe...1% being the chance a scanning pirate will pick me up and roll in on me..just align your ship on your pre-set safety jump vector and you`ll be gone before your locked in that instance.
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Rumbaar
Royal Society Of Khanid
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Posted - 2006.07.28 00:53:00 -
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There is a lovely Agent mission that spawns 400k of Omber in the first 'room' so can effectly mine that Omber and have it respawn for the 6 or so days it last. Just need to clear that first room after each downtime. But yes you loose your time bonus ... shame you'll make about 100M+ ISK mining to make up for it ;)
I can confirm you can and will get random 'belt' rats spawn as you mine. Sometimes they come and sometimes they don't, but plan for them to come.
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