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Spineker
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Posted - 2011.11.28 06:09:00 -
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Caretaking Sunofabitcch Quigglywobbl wrote:Here is proof.
haha.
Maybe they need 100% boost to cash? CCP at its finest. Not to mention LP exhange |
Caretaking Sunofabitcch Quigglywobbl
Fulmar's Anti-Caldari Club
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Posted - 2011.11.28 18:13:00 -
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Spineker wrote:Caretaking Sunofabitcch Quigglywobbl wrote:Here is proof.
haha. Maybe they need 100% boost to cash? CCP at its finest. Not to mention LP exhange
Not sure if srs :P
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Spineker
47
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Posted - 2011.11.28 18:25:00 -
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Cambarus wrote:
There are people who can pull in 100+mil/hour doing lvl 4s in highsec,).
BS absolute BullS.
Once in a rare day if the stars align perfect and everything runs smooth and with my 767dps Tengu I might pull 50 to 70. Most times it is 30 to 50.
Incursions need a major nerf and they need to stop the LP exchange whoever was smoking the weed when they did that... |
Spineker
47
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Posted - 2011.11.28 18:26:00 -
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Ooda wrote:Quote:I want to know how to make 100m ISK/h in highsec missions D: I can only do 30 Just farm Enemies Abound 3/5, something arround 70-85 mil/hour without great effort. (you'll need 2 agents with that mission)
How exactly are you going to Farm 3/5 more than once a day? |
Caretaking Sunofabitcch Quigglywobbl
Fulmar's Anti-Caldari Club
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Posted - 2011.11.28 18:45:00 -
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Spineker wrote:Cambarus wrote:
There are people who can pull in 100+mil/hour doing lvl 4s in highsec,).
BS absolute BullS. Once in a rare day if the stars align perfect and everything runs smooth and with my 767dps Tengu I might pull 50 to 70. Most times it is 30 to 50. Incursions need a major nerf and they need to stop the LP exchange whoever was smoking the weed when they did that...
I think nerf the isk. Leave LP there. It takes an alt with capital indy skills to make those mods, and buyers for the BPCs are rare. People just buy them off the market. It also promotes using alts, which is good imo, since everything else in the game worth it's salt requires them.
The exchange is terrible way to lose isk, so Idon't see your point there. In no way is 1 concord LP only worth 0.8 faction LP (0.4 for smaller faction). It's just nice sometimes if you're @ minmatar inc, and you need ammo, same goes for vindi.
Profit is impossible without selling non-prime number implants (no1 buys +2%s as far as I know) or making BPCs. At least without making it a pain in the ass.
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Borun Tal
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
12
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Posted - 2011.11.28 19:00:00 -
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Caretaking Sunofabitcch Quigglywobbl wrote:
XP? Really?? |
Cambarus
Clearly Compensating
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Posted - 2011.11.28 19:30:00 -
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Spineker wrote:Cambarus wrote:
There are people who can pull in 100+mil/hour doing lvl 4s in highsec,).
BS absolute BullS. Once in a rare day if the stars align perfect and everything runs smooth and with my 767dps Tengu I might pull 50 to 70. Most times it is 30 to 50. Incursions need a major nerf and they need to stop the LP exchange whoever was smoking the weed when they did that... Well the fact that you use a tengu is probably part of the problem. In my vargur I was pulling in 60 or so after loot before LP, and I was rather lazy in how I ran missions.
If I recall correctly someone on the old forums posted the numbers behind 200mil/hour lvl 4s, but that's a bit iffy, probably one of those under-absolutely-optimal-circumstances type dealies.
If you can pull in 70 with a ship that only spits out 770 DPS (and delayed DPS, dealing with defenders etc) then I find it hilarious that you're going to call BS on someone pulling in 100. And before you go whining about how it's something of a maximum from you, these examples of incursion payouts are ALL maximums, from people who got in just the right fleet, had no one go AFK/leave, had everyone perform at least reasonably well in the sites etc. |
Spineker
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Posted - 2011.11.28 19:52:00 -
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People can post whatever they like reality is far different. LP stores pretty much suck these days.
Tengu melts missions period. You obviously have no idea what you are talking about on any of these subjects. I am max on mission running period and I am telling you 100 million an hour is absolute bullshit.
70 million is upper level and not often nor sustainable on any level of reality. Have I made over 100m in an hour sure I have also made 10m.
You see farming incursions is farming period. They should be made just like missions once they are cleared they are gone they don't come back like some sort of magic reset button.
Or if you think that being able to farm in highsec all day long then allow mission runners to farm missions. Not that I think that is a good idea I just think it shows how stupid incursions are with the farming. I don't care about what people fly either. |
FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks Petition Blizzard
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Posted - 2011.11.28 22:14:00 -
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grazer gin wrote:People who cry about incursions forget about nullsec carebears running sites in BLUE space with intel channels for the surrounding systems wheres your RISK VS REWARD now
How to create a safe space for PVE work in nullsec:
1) Establish military superiority 2) Establish sovereignty 3) Build an infrastructure 4) Defend that area vigilantly 5) Turn your nullbears loose inside the area you secured, built, and defend.
How to make the same isk in incursions:
1) Show up in a shiny ship
That's pretty much it. |
Cambarus
Clearly Compensating
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Posted - 2011.11.28 23:18:00 -
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Spineker wrote:People can post whatever they like reality is far different. LP stores pretty much suck these days.
Tengu melts missions period. You obviously have no idea what you are talking about on any of these subjects. I am max on mission running period and I am telling you 100 million an hour is absolute bullshit.
70 million is upper level and not often nor sustainable on any level of reality. Have I made over 100m in an hour sure I have also made 10m.
You see farming incursions is farming period. They should be made just like missions once they are cleared they are gone they don't come back like some sort of magic reset button.
Or if you think that being able to farm in highsec all day long then allow mission runners to farm missions. Not that I think that is a good idea I just think it shows how stupid incursions are with the farming. I don't care about what people fly either. Tengu is a good mission ship, to be sure, but it most certainly does not melt anything. You do half the DPS of, say, a nightmare, and even after factoring in the reduced sig radius there are certainly ships that can pull in more than you do.
And for every fleet that pulls in 100+mil/hour, there are 5 that struggle to hit 50, and that;s not even counting the time it takes to get into a fleet (and if you're not in a shiny ship, it may never even happen).
As for the farming thing, the only problem there is that there's only 3 types of sites to run. You'd see the exact same thing with missions were the selection that small.
And to top it all off; you're not even factoring in competition. The exact same factor that can nearly double your isk can ensure that you never make a penny, depending on which side of the competition you're on. The OP only got the numbers he did because of competition for the sites, the guys that got nothing during that time aren't on the forums claiming that incursions pull in too much isk. |
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Ooda
Imperial Guardians Blazing Angels Alliance
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Posted - 2011.11.28 23:31:00 -
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Spineker wrote:Ooda wrote:Quote:I want to know how to make 100m ISK/h in highsec missions D: I can only do 30 Just farm Enemies Abound 3/5, something arround 70-85 mil/hour without great effort. (you'll need 2 agents with that mission) How exactly are you going to Farm 3/5 more than once a day?
Just think over that point for more then 1 sec, and you will know. Come on, use your brain. |
Admiral Yamamoto
Aperture Harmonics K162
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Posted - 2011.11.29 00:39:00 -
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Wallet
All this jabber of incursions lead me to do an experiment.
I ran incursions hard on friday / a few hours saturday / a couple hours on sunday. Here is a link of my wallet with the ticks.
This isn't a made up number, if you calculate it out, youll see a few instances of 100-120 mil an hour, but most hover around 85 ish.
This is because people need to ****, eat, drink etc. You lose competitions, you have to get the ore situation situated to complete the NMC it any timely fashion.
If i go to 0.0 and kill an officer spawn in my first belt and go sell the loot, do i get to claim a 3 bil isk / hour? No, because you dont get an officer spawn every day, week or even month. External factors - beyond your control - determine how much isk / hour you make.
Do i think incursions need to be nerfed? Not sure, you can pull 60-80 mil / hour without min maxing on highsec missions, more if you go insane and use courier contracts to move materials around and only accept good paying missions, missioning for a pro corp etc.
So either take a swing at lvl 4 / highsec incursions, or buff up lowsec / nullsec so you can make a solid 2x the isk for the same effort. |
Mocam
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.11.29 03:52:00 -
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Admiral Yamamoto wrote:WalletAll this jabber of incursions lead me to do an experiment. I ran incursions hard on friday / a few hours saturday / a couple hours on sunday. Here is a link of my wallet with the ticks. This isn't a made up number, if you calculate it out, youll see a few instances of 100-120 mil an hour, but most hover around 85 ish. This is because people need to ****, eat, drink etc. You lose competitions, you have to get the ore situation situated to complete the NMC it any timely fashion. If i go to 0.0 and kill an officer spawn in my first belt and go sell the loot, do i get to claim a 3 bil isk / hour? No, because you dont get an officer spawn every day, week or even month. External factors - beyond your control - determine how much isk / hour you make. Do i think incursions need to be nerfed? Not sure, you can pull 60-80 mil / hour without min maxing on highsec missions, more if you go insane and use courier contracts to move materials around and only accept good paying missions, missioning for a pro corp etc. So either take a swing at lvl 4 / highsec incursions, or buff up lowsec / nullsec so you can make a solid 2x the isk for the same effort.
Now add in the LP value beyond just the ISK income.
The LP side is much harder being as you can convert it to any empire faction but at a loss in LP but it does open up ALL empire stores without any extra time nor effort invested. Pick who has the top items you want to buy and go get them.
Just like they do with missions, you need to take the whole into account, not just this or that piece. |
Admiral Yamamoto
Aperture Harmonics K162
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Posted - 2011.11.29 03:54:00 -
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The isk / lp ratio is a drop in the bucket compared to what i made from payouts. I got 205k Concord LP. Assuming i convert it to a faction that turns to 102.5k LP. Assuming that i can pull a 2k isk / lp ratio out of my ass after that, that is 205 million isk...
Compared to the 1.6 billion i made from doing the sites, meh. |
Eru GoEller
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.11.29 04:02:00 -
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Ooda wrote:Spineker wrote:Ooda wrote:Quote:I want to know how to make 100m ISK/h in highsec missions D: I can only do 30 Just farm Enemies Abound 3/5, something arround 70-85 mil/hour without great effort. (you'll need 2 agents with that mission) How exactly are you going to Farm 3/5 more than once a day? Just think over that point for more then 1 sec, and you will know. Come on, use your brain.
He has the mission running for 2 agents, ie 2 Enemies Abound. So, 2 * EA 3/5 ~70-85M. |
Shaotuk
Holdingz
1
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Posted - 2011.11.29 05:02:00 -
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Easy fix... Just require a certain standing with the particular corp a player is desiring to swap the LP's for. A standing of 8 or 9 would be a reasonable standing. |
Tenris Anis
Schattenengel Clan
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Posted - 2011.11.29 06:53:00 -
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Artreju Woodsparrow wrote:is this a sarcastic post ? 150m/hr wtf....w/o words... some ppl cant get enough. I'm glad as starter if i have 3 m/hr depends on Mission.
Than you are doing it wrong, sorry about that :) |
Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery Dead On Arrival Alliance
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Posted - 2011.11.30 11:24:00 -
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grazer gin wrote:People who cry about incursions forget about nullsec carebears running sites in BLUE space with intel channels for the surrounding systems wheres your RISK VS REWARD now Because there should be no reward for capturing and holding space and securing the borders.
Shoot yourself (in game). - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Soon Shin
Abyssal Heavy Industries Narwhals Ate My Duck
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Posted - 2011.12.01 11:58:00 -
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If you want high reward with high risk come to wormholes. The rewards here are better than anything else, but the risk requires you to watch constantly. |
Ireland VonVicious
Gurista Saints Assassin Confederacy
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Posted - 2011.12.01 21:27:00 -
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Shaotuk wrote:Easy fix... Just require a certain standing with the particular corp a player is desiring to swap the LP's for. A standing of 8 or 9 would be a reasonable standing.
No thanks to this. Incursions have already dropped navy faction ship prices like rocks while increasing the cost of pirate faction. We don't need to add to this problem. |
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Harbinger Kyr
Eye of God Controlled Chaos
0
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Posted - 2011.12.01 22:07:00 -
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disregard |
Harbinger Kyr
Eye of God Controlled Chaos
0
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Posted - 2011.12.01 22:08:00 -
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did no one notice how small this guy's monitor is? how do you play this game? |
M Blanc
The Ironmongery
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Posted - 2011.12.02 11:23:00 -
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Admiral Yamamoto wrote:The isk / lp ratio is a drop in the bucket compared to what i made from payouts. I got 205k Concord LP. Assuming i convert it to a faction that turns to 102.5k LP. Assuming that i can pull a 2k isk / lp ratio out of my ass after that, that is 205 million isk...
Compared to the 1.6 billion i made from doing the sites, meh. CONCORD LP converts to empire LP at 5:4, not 2:1, so you'd actually get 328m for it - i.e. an extra 20% on top of your raw ISK, taking your nominal hourly income from "85-ish" to just over 100... |
Admiral Yamamoto
Aperture Harmonics K162
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Posted - 2011.12.03 06:27:00 -
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Harbinger Kyr wrote:did no one notice how small this guy's monitor is? how do you play this game?
If you are talking about me, did you click the zoom button? My monitor is not small :P
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Kara Books
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.12.03 07:40:00 -
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Im absolutely 100% convinced that the picture was not Photoshop'd. |
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