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Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
3138
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Posted - 2014.08.27 21:29:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Hal Morsh wrote:CCP said burners would be difficult. An npc emulating a faction frigate with deadspace gear, perfect skills and off grid boosts. I'm surprised it doesn't have remote rep alts and falcons in wait (I joke), but CCP doesn't have remote rep npcs implemented, nor have ewar ever worked on them. At least it prevents "ECM everything". Ewar works just fine on NPCs (except for warp disruption since rats don't really warp as much as despawn), and we've had remote-repping rats for half a decade now.
And I get jammed way more often than I would like. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
5816
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Posted - 2014.08.27 21:35:00 -
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afkalt wrote:Tippia wrote:Hal Morsh wrote:CCP said burners would be difficult. An npc emulating a faction frigate with deadspace gear, perfect skills and off grid boosts. I'm surprised it doesn't have remote rep alts and falcons in wait (I joke), but CCP doesn't have remote rep npcs implemented, nor have ewar ever worked on them. At least it prevents "ECM everything". Ewar works just fine on NPCs (except for warp disruption since rats don't really warp as much as despawn), and we've had remote-repping rats for half a decade now. People have tried on test, it's ECM and that's about it. Excluding webs as that's less ewar on the traditional sense - I.e. Cap war, ECM, damps, TD. These rats are different from the norm. Cap warfare works on NPC ships, it just works a bit differently than on a player ship.
Nos will give you a limited amount of cap from them for a short period of time. Neuts will reduce their repair rate by a small amount.
Now if you're saying the burner rats are different, I haven't tasted that yet. However I highly suspect that if they don't have the same vulnerabilities as normal rats (perhaps in a less detrimental way) then that would be either a bug... or something we have to have a chat with CCP about. If you like EVE Online and War Thunder content stop by my YouTube channel.-á
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afkalt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
291
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Posted - 2014.08.27 21:57:00 -
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Reports are ECM sees them falling back to 100km, extremely high damping (to the point of suggested frigates having base lock ranges of 400km+) resilience.
To be clear, I cannot independently verify as I've not had the opportunity to test, but these are from the test feedback thread so I rate their credibility quite highly. |
Celthric Kanerian
Ascendance Of New Eden Workers Trade Federation
62
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Posted - 2014.08.27 22:08:00 -
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At the moment burner missions aren't worth running... The risk = reward is non existant. Atm I can earn 8 million from a burner mission and 5750 LP For a regular lvl 4 mission in my Paladin I'll earn roughly 20 million isk in bounty and a whole ship of junk. (The time it takes for both is roughly the same)
Some may say "Why don't you just do regular lvl 4's then?" Well, because I don't want to... I want to have fun while doing missions regardless what their objective is, and I'd like to be able to do burner missions but their tank and dps is too goddamn insane at this period of time.
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Hengle Teron
Mew Age Outpaws
62
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Posted - 2014.08.27 22:29:00 -
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Celthric Kanerian wrote:At the moment burner missions aren't worth running... The risk = reward is non existant. Atm I can earn 8 million from a burner mission and 5750 LP For a regular lvl 4 mission in my Paladin I'll earn roughly 20 million isk in bounty and a whole ship of junk. (The time it takes for both is roughly the same)
Some may say "Why don't you just do regular lvl 4's then?" Well, because I don't want to... I want to have fun while doing missions regardless what their objective is, and I'd like to be able to do burner missions but their tank and dps is too goddamn insane at this period of time.
wait are you saying you want to be challenged ? But you also want it to be just easy to run ? |
Ocih
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
713
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Posted - 2014.08.27 22:36:00 -
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What is the burner ratio in the mission table?
I don't run level 4 missions. I have the agents, I just prefer to do 3's. While I would like to try these burner missions, not enough that I will drag myself through 12 standard level 4's to get to one. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
5367
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Posted - 2014.08.28 01:54:00 -
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Abrazzar wrote:Only a matter of time until the perfect fits for every individual rat is determined and posted on some page for reference. Then they turn from difficult into trivial, just like the rest.
Imagine if NASA made an MMO with real physics but we had to build the warp drive and optimize it before anybody could leave the solar system.
Of course the modeling on the server side would be immense and take the kind of computers nobody has seen before.
(on the coding level this is also nearly impossible)
Still, if this energy could be harnessed.... Bring back DEEEEP Space! |
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
1322
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Posted - 2014.08.28 04:43:00 -
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If you do not want to run the burner missions - just dont and shut up. TunDraGon is recruiting! "Also, your boobs " -á CCP Eterne, 2012 "When in doubt...make a di++k joke."-áRobin Williams - RIP
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Yishna Strone
The Desolate Order Brave Collective
5
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Posted - 2014.08.28 11:27:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:but instead force people to buy alts. This is how people with no friends would see it anyway. =ĮP Anyway, this means that the feature has passed the Dinsdale test and is a good addition to the game. Excellent news.
What's a Dinsdale test? I googled it but didn't come up with anything :| |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
4350
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Posted - 2014.08.28 11:36:00 -
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Yishna Strone wrote: What's a Dinsdale test? I googled it but didn't come up with anything :|
thers a few, the player test is this: tell me what you see in this panel, it should be random letters
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Imiarr Timshae
Funny Men In Funny Hats
245
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Posted - 2014.08.28 12:19:00 -
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Dark Drifter wrote:
Ewar of every kind dose not work on them
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Yishna Strone
The Desolate Order Brave Collective
5
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Posted - 2014.08.28 13:31:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Yishna Strone wrote: What's a Dinsdale test? I googled it but didn't come up with anything :|
thers a few, the player test is this: tell me what you see in this panel, it should be random letters Quote:nullseccartelsrmtccpgoingtostealmyfirstborngoooonscomingforusallnullseccartelsrmtccpgoingtostealmyfirstborngoooonscomingforusallnullseccartelsrmtccpgoingtostealmyfirstborngoooonscomingforusallnullseccartelsrmtccpgoingtostealmyfirstborngoooonscomingforusallnullseccartelsrmtccpgoingtostealmyfirstborngoooonscomingforusallnullseccartelsrmtccpgoingtostealmyfirstborngoooonscomingforusallnullseccartelsrmtccpgoingtostealmyfirstborngoooonscomingforusallnullseccartelsrmtccpgoingtostealmyfirstborngoooonscomingforusallnullseccartelsrmtccpgoingtostealmyfirstborngoooonscomingforusallnullseccartelsrmtccpgoingtostealmyfirstborngoooonscomingforusallnullseccartelsrmtccpgoingtostealmyfirstborngoooonscomingforusallnullseccartelsrmtccpgoingtostealmyfirstborngoooonscomingforusallnullseccartelsrmtccpgoingtostealmyfirstborngoooonscomingforusallnullseccartelsrmtccpgoingtostealmyfirstborngoooonscomingforusallnullseccartelsrmtccpgoingtostealmyfirstborngoooonscomingforusallnullseccartelsrmtccpgoingtostealmyfirstborngoooonscomingforusallnullseccartelsrmtccpgoingtostealmyfirstborngoooonscomingforusallnullseccartelsrmtccpgoingtostealmyfirstborngoooonscomingforusallnullseccartelsrmtccpgoingtostealmyfirstborngoooonscomingforusallnullseccartelsrmtccpgoingtostealmyfirstborngoooonscomingforusallnullseccartelsrmtccpgoingtostealmyfirstborngoooonscomingforusallnullseccartelsrmtccpgoingtostealmyfirstborngoooonscomingforusallnullseccartelsrmtccpgoingtostealmyfirstborngoooonscomingforusallnullseccartelsrmtccpgoingtostealmyfirstborngoooonscomingforusallnullseccartelsrmtccpgoingtostealmyfirstborngoooonscomingforusallnullseccartelsrmtccpgoingtostealmyfirstborngoooonscomingforusallnullseccartelsrmtccpgoingtostealmyfirstborngoooonscomingforusallnullseccartelsrmtccpgoingtostealmyfirstborngoooonscomingforusallnullseccartelsrmtccpgoingtostealmyfirstborngoooonscomingforusallnullseccartelsrmtccpgoingtostealmyfirstborngoooonscomingforusallnullseccartelsrmtccpgoingtostealmyfirstborngoooonscomingforusallnullseccartelsrmtccpgoingtostealmyfirstborngoooonscomingforusall
I'm not sure if this is supposed to be a trick question >_> lol |
Gallowmere Rorschach
Enlightened Industries Goonswarm Federation
757
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Posted - 2014.08.29 17:19:00 -
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Yishna Strone wrote: I'm not sure if this is supposed to be a trick question >_> lol
In case you are being serious, Dinsdale is Eve's resident tinfoil magnet. Everything that is wrong with Eve is somehow the fault of nullsec powerblocs, who he swears lead CCP by a pinched ear, while RMTing enough ISK to feed a third world country for years.
Or, if you prefer, in 1960syou'velostyourfuckingmind-ese, CCP is Congress, Hilmar is Kennedy, Goons are the Illuminati, you are all proles, and Dinsdale is the raving spaz on the streetcorner who swears that LSD helped him to see how all of them are connected to conspire against him. |
John Ending
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
125
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Posted - 2014.08.29 18:14:00 -
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How many carebears will train Thermodynamics for the first time because of these missions |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
4421
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Posted - 2014.08.29 19:24:00 -
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John Ending wrote:How many carebears will train Thermodynamics for the first time because of these missions Ah ****, nanite paste is going to get pricey. =][= |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
7921
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Posted - 2014.08.29 19:27:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:John Ending wrote:How many carebears will train Thermodynamics for the first time because of these missions Ah ****, nanite paste is going to get pricey.
It's all a conspriacy anyways. Daredevils are good at burners, and WHERE do Daredevils come from? Drops from rats and LP store purchases,,,,,,,,in GOON CONTROLLED SPACE.
Therefore CCP lied, High Sec died hastagDinsdale. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
4423
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Posted - 2014.08.29 20:05:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:John Ending wrote:How many carebears will train Thermodynamics for the first time because of these missions Ah ****, nanite paste is going to get pricey. It's all a conspriacy anyways. Daredevils are good at burners, and WHERE do Daredevils come from? Drops from rats and LP store purchases,,,,,,,,in GOON CONTROLLED SPACE. Therefore CCP lied, High Sec died hastagDinsdale. you are cleaning my ****ing keyboard after that =][= |
Aphoticus
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
0
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Posted - 2014.08.29 20:10:00 -
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I do them in stealth bombers; not sure what the problem is. |
Dave Stark
6781
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Posted - 2014.08.29 20:16:00 -
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burner missions are genuinely dull.
i was actually excited when ccp said "level 4 missions for frigates". shame that's not quite what they delivered. i'd rather have had an actual proper mission than an arbitrary "can you fit a frig with 400 dps and tank?" check. |
Tolkaz Khamsi
Empire Reclamation Services
17
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Posted - 2014.08.29 20:38:00 -
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Hasikan Miallok wrote: No completely new player will have the standings to run level IVs. By the time you can run IVs you will have ok fitting and basic skills.
Note that the Daredevil recommended above takes about 6 days to train into assuming you have no Gallente or Minmatar racial frigate at all. Add 2 weeks to get those skills to V and 2 more weeks to get T2 small hybrids. So maybe 6 weeks training.
Only six weeks of training, noob, and you can actually start to have fun in this game!
It's always the same story in Eve: if you want to do anything fun or exciting, it's on the other end of several weeks (or months) of skill training and/or ISK-grinding. (Though I suppose that's true of other MMO's as well.)
In the meantime, you can shoot little red x's in your crappy T1 frigate and just be glad that you can share the same space with the Elder Gods of Eve.
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Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
4109
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Posted - 2014.08.29 20:46:00 -
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Hal Morsh wrote:CCP said burners would be difficult. An npc emulating a faction frigate with deadspace gear, perfect skills and off grid boosts. I'm surprised it doesn't have remote rep alts and falcons in wait (I joke), but CCP doesn't have remote rep npcs implemented, nor have ewar ever worked on them. At least it prevents "ECM everything".
Giving them those stats is a good start. It's supposed to expose people to the difficulty of pvp, so CCP better not nerf them :P
1.) Specific waves of sleeper and Incursion NPC's will remote rep each other.
2.) EWAR does work on NPC's. The most obvious is ECM, TP's, and Webs. Tracks and Damps supposedly do, but NPC have really weird stats that make those forms of EWAR typically ineffective. Neuts, Scrams, and Points have no effect.
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
11368
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Posted - 2014.08.29 21:25:00 -
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Scrams work on the burners. It slows down the Guristas burner just as much as it should for having its MWD shut off. Enjoying the rain today? ;) |
Hal Morsh
Exodus Mining Corp
141
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Posted - 2014.09.15 23:26:00 -
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Gizznitt Malikite wrote:Neuts, Scrams, and Points have no effect.
Points actually do. The rats in belts that carry minerals would sometimes warp out. I would bring points to counter this, but they would also break my lock periodically, so I would have to relock them to rescram before they got up to speed and warped out.
I assume they had target breakers or something. I enjoy a good session of mining. |
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
87
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Posted - 2014.09.16 05:46:00 -
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Not such a ban of the whole burner thing. Like a lot of L4 folks my skills are all in Battleships, so I can't really participate. Would be nice to see more content for the main mission ships. |
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon Cynosural Field Theory.
1359
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Posted - 2014.09.16 06:12:00 -
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If you Do not have sufficient skills for a frigate then I doubt you See fit for a battleship. Burner missions simulate a pvp fight and do not have the purpose to flush isk in your pockets. +1 for using search function TunDraGon is recruiting! "Also, your boobs " -á CCP Eterne, 2012 "When in doubt...make a di++k joke."-áRobin Williams - RIP
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
87
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Posted - 2014.09.16 06:21:00 -
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Eugene Kerner wrote:If you Do not have sufficient skills for a frigate then I doubt you See fit for a battleship. Burner missions simulate a pvp fight and do not have the purpose to flush isk in your pockets.
My battleship skills are excellent, thank you. Some of us trained the bare minimum skills for ships under battleships, and then the perfect skillset for battleships. And ISK is not always an issue. |
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon Cynosural Field Theory.
1359
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Posted - 2014.09.16 06:53:00 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Eugene Kerner wrote:If you Do not have sufficient skills for a frigate then I doubt you See fit for a battleship. Burner missions simulate a pvp fight and do not have the purpose to flush isk in your pockets. My battleship skills are excellent, thank you. Some of us trained the bare minimum skills for ships under battleships, and then the perfect skillset for battleships. And ISK is not always an issue.
If your BS skills are that good then you only miss around 3 weeks for perfect frigate handling. Congratulations. TunDraGon is recruiting! "Also, your boobs " -á CCP Eterne, 2012 "When in doubt...make a di++k joke."-áRobin Williams - RIP
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Cancel Align NOW
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
106
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Posted - 2014.09.16 08:17:00 -
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Eugene Kerner wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:Eugene Kerner wrote:If you Do not have sufficient skills for a frigate then I doubt you See fit for a battleship. Burner missions simulate a pvp fight and do not have the purpose to flush isk in your pockets. My battleship skills are excellent, thank you. Some of us trained the bare minimum skills for ships under battleships, and then the perfect skillset for battleships. And ISK is not always an issue. If your BS skills are that good then you only miss around 3 weeks for perfect frigate handling. Congratulations.
For an excellent Battleship Pilot:
Core Support Skills - Should be all done Gunnery/Missile Support Skills - Should be all done Navigation Skills - Should be all done Main Drone Skills - Should be all done Drone Support Skills - Should be all done Armour Skills - Should be all done Shield Skills - Should be all done Rigging Skills - Should be all done Targeting Skills - Should be all done
Estimated SP: 25,000,000 - 90,000,000
To access Burners you will need to do:
Small (racial specific) turret/missile V Small (racial specific) turret/missile range specialisation III+
racial frigate V assault ships III+
ewar skills to V aligned to specific Burner.
Estimated SP: 2,500,000 if you have all those skills at 0.
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Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
1627
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Posted - 2014.09.16 10:05:00 -
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Eugene Kerner wrote:If you Do not have sufficient skills for a frigate then I doubt you See fit for a battleship. Burner missions simulate a pvp fight and do not have the purpose to flush isk in your pockets.
No they do not. CCP already stated they DO NOT SIMMULATE PVP. They are just ships as powerful as a player ship can be.
PVP is not in nay form like a burner mission. "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |
Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
5273
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Posted - 2014.09.16 10:15:00 -
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Dark Drifter wrote:HeXxploiT wrote:Looks like we got what we asked for. Burner missions appear to be not only difficult, but damn near impossible! I thought My faction fitted Hawk was pretty badass until I tried to run a burner only to find that my 220dps wasn't scratching the paint on the enemy and I had to have a buddy do a suicide run to get unscrambled and get my ass out. Look likes CCP is trying to force(encourage) the group dynamic again. F* that i'm going to do this sh** myself!
Anyway it should prove to be a challenge. Anyone know how much these missions pay out? normal LP for a level 4 about 900k isk in reward and bonus 5mill for killing the rat in my opinion they are badly implimented. they way the site is set up means insta death for the first ship to land on grid Ewar of every kind dose not work on them there is no way for a frigate sized hull to mitigate the damage they do. its like taking your AF against a RLML cerb and expecting to live
I did that once with my Ishkur, and lived, with a Cerb kill. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104 |
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