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HeXxploiT
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
42
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Posted - 2014.08.26 20:05:00 -
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Looks like we got what we asked for. Burner missions appear to be not only difficult, but damn near impossible! I thought My faction fitted Hawk was pretty badass until I tried to run a burner only to find that my 220dps wasn't scratching the paint on the enemy and I had to have a buddy do a suicide run to get unscrambled and get my ass out. Look likes CCP is trying to force(encourage) the group dynamic again. F* that i'm going to do this sh** myself!
Anyway it should prove to be a challenge. Anyone know how much these missions pay out? |
Dark Drifter
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
134
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Posted - 2014.08.26 20:38:00 -
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HeXxploiT wrote:Looks like we got what we asked for. Burner missions appear to be not only difficult, but damn near impossible! I thought My faction fitted Hawk was pretty badass until I tried to run a burner only to find that my 220dps wasn't scratching the paint on the enemy and I had to have a buddy do a suicide run to get unscrambled and get my ass out. Look likes CCP is trying to force(encourage) the group dynamic again. F* that i'm going to do this sh** myself!
Anyway it should prove to be a challenge. Anyone know how much these missions pay out?
normal LP for a level 4 about 900k isk in reward and bonus 5mill for killing the rat
in my opinion they are badly implimented. they way the site is set up means insta death for the first ship to land on grid Ewar of every kind dose not work on them there is no way for a frigate sized hull to mitigate the damage they do.
its like taking your AF against a RLML cerb and expecting to live
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
12805
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Posted - 2014.08.26 20:44:00 -
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Dark Drifter wrote:HeXxploiT wrote:Looks like we got what we asked for. Burner missions appear to be not only difficult, but damn near impossible! I thought My faction fitted Hawk was pretty badass until I tried to run a burner only to find that my 220dps wasn't scratching the paint on the enemy and I had to have a buddy do a suicide run to get unscrambled and get my ass out. Look likes CCP is trying to force(encourage) the group dynamic again. F* that i'm going to do this sh** myself!
Anyway it should prove to be a challenge. Anyone know how much these missions pay out? normal LP for a level 4 about 900k isk in reward and bonus 5mill for killing the rat in my opinion they are badly implimented. they way the site is set up means insta death for the first ship to land on grid Ewar of every kind dose not work on them there is no way for a frigate sized hull to mitigate the damage they do. its like taking your AF against a RLML cerb and expecting to live
Good. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
4466
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Posted - 2014.08.26 20:51:00 -
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Only a matter of time until the perfect fits for every individual rat is determined and posted on some page for reference. Then they turn from difficult into trivial, just like the rest. Sovereignty and Population New Mining Mechanics |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
7781
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Posted - 2014.08.26 20:59:00 -
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Abrazzar wrote:Only a matter of time until the perfect fits for every individual rat is determined and posted on some page for reference. Then they turn from difficult into trivial, just like the rest.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=369477&find=unread |
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
4466
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Posted - 2014.08.26 21:05:00 -
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And then some people claim carebears are lazy. Most efficient. Give it a week and the only issue with those missions is the number of frigates you have to stash on top of your bling-grinder. Sovereignty and Population New Mining Mechanics |
afkalt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
290
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Posted - 2014.08.26 21:05:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Dark Drifter wrote:HeXxploiT wrote:Looks like we got what we asked for. Burner missions appear to be not only difficult, but damn near impossible! I thought My faction fitted Hawk was pretty badass until I tried to run a burner only to find that my 220dps wasn't scratching the paint on the enemy and I had to have a buddy do a suicide run to get unscrambled and get my ass out. Look likes CCP is trying to force(encourage) the group dynamic again. F* that i'm going to do this sh** myself!
Anyway it should prove to be a challenge. Anyone know how much these missions pay out? normal LP for a level 4 about 900k isk in reward and bonus 5mill for killing the rat in my opinion they are badly implimented. they way the site is set up means insta death for the first ship to land on grid Ewar of every kind dose not work on them there is no way for a frigate sized hull to mitigate the damage they do. its like taking your AF against a RLML cerb and expecting to live Good.
Dumb. A golden opportunity wasted.
I wrote:I'm disappointed here, I had thought their intent was to start bridging the gap between PvP and PvE fits. To blur the lines between PvE and PvP.
What we have are weird rats with stupid stats which are going to end up being killed by mad niche, designer fits thus rendering those frigates about as much use in a real fight as a ratting battleship.
I think it could have been much better with negligible rewards but a rat slightly closer to reality to help people transition. Low/null isnt the deathtrap people think it is.
I just dared to hope it wouldnt require a stupid fit that is bugger all use in actual PvP. I was wrong, I get that. Doesn't mean I think this is a good route for them to take it down.
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Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
3405
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Posted - 2014.08.26 21:23:00 -
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Abrazzar wrote:And then some people claim carebears are lazy. Most efficient. Give it a week and the only issue with those missions is the number of frigates you have to stash on top of your bling-grinder.
At which point CCP will amp up the tank / damage of the rats. It is fast becoming clear this was never designed for solo play, but instead force people to buy alts. |
Paranoid Loyd
1554
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Posted - 2014.08.26 21:27:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:but instead force people to buy alts.
This is how people with no friends would see it anyway. "PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
9141
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Posted - 2014.08.26 21:41:00 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:but instead force people to buy alts. This is how people with no friends would see it anyway.
Burned.
Pun fully intended. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |
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LUMINOUS SPIRIT
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
496
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Posted - 2014.08.26 21:44:00 -
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So 1 faction-tanked worm is not enough? damn. |
Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
2693
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Posted - 2014.08.26 21:52:00 -
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Meh, you talk like your whole alliance would drop everything just to run burner mission for a few seconds with you. Personally I wouldn't even bother to undock for this especially that they are doable solo under 1 minute with proper skills and gear. Can't see a reason for alts nor friends for them.
And they cannot take burner's damage too high because without simultaneous increase of rewards people simply will switch/get back to small incursion sites. Invalid signature format |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
11340
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Posted - 2014.08.26 23:48:00 -
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I managed to beat several burners on sisi, solo, using pirate faction ships/AFs with T2 only fits, no implants, no boosters, and no fleet boosts.
You just have to be smart about it. Enjoying the rain today? ;) |
Gallowmere Rorschach
Enlightened Industries Goonswarm Federation
745
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Posted - 2014.08.27 00:05:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:I managed to beat several burners on sisi, solo, using pirate faction ships/AFs with T2 only fits, no implants, no boosters, and no fleet boosts.
You just have to be smart about it. You might be asking a bit much there, James. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
9148
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Posted - 2014.08.27 00:10:00 -
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I should point out that I totally called it with regards to the Daredevil being the ship to do these in, by the way. He can solo more than half of them. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |
Nexus Day
Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
1039
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Posted - 2014.08.27 00:11:00 -
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Schmata Bastanold wrote:Meh, you talk like your whole alliance would drop everything just to run burner mission for a few seconds with you. Personally I wouldn't even bother to undock for this especially that they are doable solo under 1 minute with proper skills and gear. Can't see a reason for alts nor friends for them.
And they cannot take burner's damage too high because without simultaneous increase of rewards people simply will switch/get back to small incursion sites.
Silly me. I saw burner missions as a way to ease new players into solo PvP. Entice them with exciting one on one frigate battles that would inspire them to use those skills on other players.
Instead they reinforce the anti new player mentality: gear that you need to play awhile to skill into and forced teamwork. Brilliant!
This thread has so much content it may be 'Thread of the Year' and it is only January.
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
7784
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Posted - 2014.08.27 00:34:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:I managed to beat several burners on sisi, solo, using pirate faction ships/AFs with T2 only fits, no implants, no boosters, and no fleet boosts.
You just have to be smart about it.
Highlighted the imposible barrier that is impossible to cross for some (impossible) people |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1139
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Posted - 2014.08.27 00:50:00 -
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Nexus Day wrote:Schmata Bastanold wrote:Meh, you talk like your whole alliance would drop everything just to run burner mission for a few seconds with you. Personally I wouldn't even bother to undock for this especially that they are doable solo under 1 minute with proper skills and gear. Can't see a reason for alts nor friends for them.
And they cannot take burner's damage too high because without simultaneous increase of rewards people simply will switch/get back to small incursion sites. Silly me. I saw burner missions as a way to ease new players into solo PvP. Entice them with exciting one on one frigate battles that would inspire them to use those skills on other players. Instead they reinforce the anti new player mentality: gear that you need to play awhile to skill into and forced teamwork. Brilliant!
No completely new player will have the standings to run level IVs. By the time you can run IVs you will have ok fitting and basic skills.
Note that the Daredevil recommended above takes about 6 days to train into assuming you have no Gallente or Minmatar racial frigate at all. Add 2 weeks to get those skills to V and 2 more weeks to get T2 small hybrids. So maybe 6 weeks training.
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Rhes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1065
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Posted - 2014.08.27 00:53:00 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:but instead force people to buy alts. This is how people with no friends would see it anyway. Ice. Burn.
It's too bad that nobody makes single player games so people who are allergic to playing with others would have something to do.
EVE is a game about spaceships and there's an enormous amount of work to do on the in-space gameplay before players (or developers) are ready to sacrifice it for a totally new type of gameplay - CCP Rise |
Slicr
19
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Posted - 2014.08.27 01:12:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:I managed to beat several burners on sisi, solo, using pirate faction ships/AFs with T2 only fits, no implants, no boosters, and no fleet boosts.
You just have to be smart about it.
Well I'm screwed
I believe in being Pro-Active as Opposed to Reactive. Reactive tends to be more costly in time and money.
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Christopher Mabata
Dominion Tenebrarum Reverberation Project
166
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Posted - 2014.08.27 01:17:00 -
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they also have a chance to drop faction mods which can be a hefty payout Is it bad if your friend says "that was a Metaphor" and you say "Meta 4? Get Tech II or faction" ?I love the sound of silent explosions in Space.-á |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
24106
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Posted - 2014.08.27 01:18:00 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:but instead force people to buy alts. This is how people with no friends would see it anyway. =ĮP
Anyway, this means that the feature has passed the Dinsdale test and is a good addition to the game. Excellent news. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2. |
Ashlar Vellum
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
120
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Posted - 2014.08.27 01:21:00 -
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You can do sansha one with t2 fit retribution, others can probably be done solo too with the right fit. |
Decian Cor
Disconnected. Ineluctable.
156
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Posted - 2014.08.27 01:41:00 -
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I think you meant this
[quote=Dinsdale Pirannha]
It is fast becoming clear Eve was never designed for solo play, but instead forces people to play together[/quote]
http://gifsoup.com/view/3311194/simple-jack-3.html
WHY WON'T YOU MAKE SENSE, ARGUEMENT, WHYYYYY
Unfiltered for the masses.
Forum Posting - Basic Common Sense Level - III Grammar Level - III Reading Comprehension - III Facetiousness - III Skin Level- V Trolling Level - V |
Caleb Seremshur
The Atomic Fallout Kids
351
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Posted - 2014.08.27 02:03:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:but instead force people to buy alts. This is how people with no friends would see it anyway. =ĮP Anyway, this means that the feature has passed the Dinsdale test and is a good addition to the game. Excellent news.
It's.not a totally unseasonable assessment as alts do generate money for.ccp but not content for the game.
Based on what I've seen here and the other thread is overall good news because at least these linds of fittings will bump up low value exploration loot while simultaneously creating more gank targets.
Everybody wins really. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=348015 T3 OHing subsystem review and rebalance https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=290346 LP faction weapon store costs rebalancing
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MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
1917
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Posted - 2014.08.27 02:11:00 -
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Abrazzar wrote:Only a matter of time until the perfect fits for every individual rat is determined and posted on some page for reference. Then they turn from difficult into trivial, just like the rest.
to kill the serpentis one i used an enyo with blasters and tracking comps. There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:
Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad. |
Slicr
19
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Posted - 2014.08.27 02:12:00 -
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Changed my mind I believe in being Pro-Active as Opposed to Reactive. Reactive tends to be more costly in time and money.
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MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
1917
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Posted - 2014.08.27 02:14:00 -
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Abrazzar wrote:And then some people claim carebears are lazy. Most efficient. Give it a week and the only issue with those missions is the number of frigates you have to stash on top of your bling-grinder.
and it gives low sp mission chars more stuff to train for. There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:
Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad. |
Hal Morsh
Exodus Mining Corp
138
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Posted - 2014.08.27 02:22:00 -
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CCP said burners would be difficult. An npc emulating a faction frigate with deadspace gear, perfect skills and off grid boosts. I'm surprised it doesn't have remote rep alts and falcons in wait (I joke), but CCP doesn't have remote rep npcs implemented, nor have ewar ever worked on them. At least it prevents "ECM everything".
Giving them those stats is a good start. It's supposed to expose people to the difficulty of pvp, so CCP better not nerf them :P I enjoy a good session of mining. |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
7787
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Posted - 2014.08.27 02:30:00 -
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Hal Morsh wrote:It's supposed to expose people to the difficulty of pvp, so CCP better not nerf them :P
These missions have nothing to do with pvp. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4937886#post4937886 |
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Harrison Tato
Yamato Holdings
116
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Posted - 2014.08.27 03:01:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:but instead force people to buy alts. This is how people with no friends would see it anyway. =ĮP Anyway, this means that the feature has passed the Dinsdale test and is a good addition to the game. Excellent news.
Get a room you two! |
Paranoid Loyd
1576
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Posted - 2014.08.27 03:13:00 -
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Harrison Tato wrote:Tippia wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:but instead force people to buy alts. This is how people with no friends would see it anyway. =ĮP Anyway, this means that the feature has passed the Dinsdale test and is a good addition to the game. Excellent news. Get a room you two!
Who are you talking to, Dinsy and his alt that CCP forced him to buy? "PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite |
Belt Scout
Thread Lockaholics Anonymous
653
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Posted - 2014.08.27 03:29:00 -
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If you turn your audio all the way up and listen carefully, you can hear all the nerf petitions flying into Iceland.
. They say most of your brain shuts down on the EvE forums. All but the impatient side, and the sarcastic side. No wonder I'm still awake. |
Belt Scout
Thread Lockaholics Anonymous
653
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Posted - 2014.08.27 03:33:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:I managed to beat several burners on sisi, solo, using pirate faction ships/AFs with T2 only fits, no implants, no boosters, and no fleet boosts.
You just have to be smart about it.
Well I may not be smart, but I can definitely drunk.
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They say most of your brain shuts down on the EvE forums. All but the impatient side, and the sarcastic side. No wonder I'm still awake. |
Lothras Andastar
Associated North American Lovers of Dolphins
87
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Posted - 2014.08.27 03:45:00 -
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T1 frigs can't do them. Faction Worms can. Because the Legacy Code has too much Psssssssssssssssh, nothing will ever get fixed until CCP stop wasting money on failed sparkle MMOs and instead rewrite the entire backend of EvE from scratch. |
TheButcherPete
Incompertus INC Fatal Ascension
481
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Posted - 2014.08.27 04:00:00 -
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The first day of Incursion saw Incursions that were literally impossible to beat. They regen'd faster than ALL of the players in the area could beat. We got it to like 60%, then went to bed and it was back at 100% in like an hour
It'll be ok, OP. THE KING OF EVE RADIO
If EVE is real, does that mean all of us are RMTrs? |
Vyl Vit
694
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Posted - 2014.08.27 04:16:00 -
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Sooooo, they may need a bit of calibrating....no need to get your panties in a wad! Anyone with any sense has already left town. |
Luwc
Brodozers Inc.
198
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Posted - 2014.08.27 06:56:00 -
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a totally overtanked worm worked fine for me so far.
The biggest ***** though is the blood raider ****.
but I like the fact it encourages team play http://hugelolcdn.com/i/267520.gif |
Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation RONA Directorate
915
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Posted - 2014.08.27 07:31:00 -
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Worm, Ishkur
Those are your answers, on a side note now selling my collection of worms! |
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
1319
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Posted - 2014.08.27 07:57:00 -
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Most of you are pathetic fucks. That said: It is not supposed to be easy. The ones not writing here have actually fun doing them as a team. I can think of quite some frig fits (faction frigs or t2) that are sufficient to do it solo but with a t1 frig it is for sure a hardcore thing and next to impossible. Edit: Haha I cant believe that went through the filter. TunDraGon is recruiting! "Also, your boobs " -á CCP Eterne, 2012 "When in doubt...make a di++k joke."-áRobin Williams - RIP
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
9164
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Posted - 2014.08.27 08:12:00 -
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How is it that everybody but me can get past the language filter?
**** me. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
1320
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Posted - 2014.08.27 08:15:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:How is it that everybody but me can get past the language filter?
**** me. Try: "That fucks me" TunDraGon is recruiting! "Also, your boobs " -á CCP Eterne, 2012 "When in doubt...make a di++k joke."-áRobin Williams - RIP
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
9164
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Posted - 2014.08.27 08:18:00 -
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Eugene Kerner wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:How is it that everybody but me can get past the language filter?
**** me. Try: "That fucks me"
That ***** me.
[edit: Dammit. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
6582
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Posted - 2014.08.27 08:52:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote: It is fast becoming clear this was never designed for solo play, but instead force people to buy alts.
Its true.
As soon as I tried to log back in for the first time in weeks, I was told I was required to purchase fifteen assault frigates or CCP would send The Brute Squad around to break my thumbs with mallets.
The cads. "Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
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Erika Tsurpalen
SoulFire Gaming
3
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Posted - 2014.08.27 09:20:00 -
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Are they? They seemed alright when I did them. Just dont try do it in a T1 frig with ****** skills and you should be okay. |
Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
1582
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Posted - 2014.08.27 09:33:00 -
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Dark Drifter wrote: its like taking your AF against a RLML cerb and expecting to live
Good players can do that without much troubles. CErb need to reload before it kills the most common vengeance fit. "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |
Big Lynx
Destructive Mechanics Quam'Nocent
623
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Posted - 2014.08.27 09:56:00 -
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I do it with 100k hp cambion |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
6584
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Posted - 2014.08.27 10:06:00 -
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Big Lynx wrote:I do it with 100k hp cambion
Wuss "Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
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Lady Spank
The Intaki Ladies Deep Space Astrogation Auxiliary
3568
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Posted - 2014.08.27 10:17:00 -
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220 dps Hawk is laughable, obviously you are doing it wrong. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ It Takes a Million Years to Become Diamonds So Lets Just Burn Like Coal Until the Sky's Black ~ (a¦á_a¦â) |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
7807
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Posted - 2014.08.27 14:37:00 -
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It's really this easy.. |
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Vol Arm'OOO
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
281
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Posted - 2014.08.27 15:59:00 -
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Nexus Day wrote:Schmata Bastanold wrote:Meh, you talk like your whole alliance would drop everything just to run burner mission for a few seconds with you. Personally I wouldn't even bother to undock for this especially that they are doable solo under 1 minute with proper skills and gear. Can't see a reason for alts nor friends for them.
And they cannot take burner's damage too high because without simultaneous increase of rewards people simply will switch/get back to small incursion sites. Silly me. I saw burner missions as a way to ease new players into solo PvP. Entice them with exciting one on one frigate battles that would inspire them to use those skills on other players. Instead they reinforce the anti new player mentality: gear that you need to play awhile to skill into and forced teamwork. Brilliant!
Um... Why would you think burner missions were new player friendly? They are lvl 4 missions. Lvl 4 missions while being largely brain dead content, are still not for new players.
I don't play, I just fourm warrior. |
Paynus Maiassus
Capital Munitions
95
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Posted - 2014.08.27 16:16:00 -
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Dark Drifter wrote:HeXxploiT wrote:Looks like we got what we asked for. Burner missions appear to be not only difficult, but damn near impossible! I thought My faction fitted Hawk was pretty badass until I tried to run a burner only to find that my 220dps wasn't scratching the paint on the enemy and I had to have a buddy do a suicide run to get unscrambled and get my ass out. Look likes CCP is trying to force(encourage) the group dynamic again. F* that i'm going to do this sh** myself!
Anyway it should prove to be a challenge. Anyone know how much these missions pay out? normal LP for a level 4 about 900k isk in reward and bonus 5mill for killing the rat in my opinion they are badly implimented. they way the site is set up means insta death for the first ship to land on grid Ewar of every kind dose not work on them there is no way for a frigate sized hull to mitigate the damage they do. its like taking your AF against a RLML cerb and expecting to live
OK so you have no talent.
Funny how people gripe at CCP for being out of touch and not playing the game.
The benchmark for whether these missions are too hard was that the devs can solo them.
You can't so I guess you suck. I just finished a long post encouraging a noob who was getting his hat handed to them and had written about how Eve needs to change to suit him. His OP was followed by pages and pages of trolls about how he sucks and Eve doesn't need to change to suit him.
So I am here to troll you. The devs can solo these things, so you suck and you just need to get better. |
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
3591
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Posted - 2014.08.27 16:33:00 -
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Burner missions are great idea with terrible implementation. Oh god. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
24110
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Posted - 2014.08.27 17:20:00 -
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Hal Morsh wrote:CCP said burners would be difficult. An npc emulating a faction frigate with deadspace gear, perfect skills and off grid boosts. I'm surprised it doesn't have remote rep alts and falcons in wait (I joke), but CCP doesn't have remote rep npcs implemented, nor have ewar ever worked on them. At least it prevents "ECM everything". Ewar works just fine on NPCs (except for warp disruption since rats don't really warp as much as despawn), and we've had remote-repping rats for half a decade now. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2. |
afkalt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
291
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Posted - 2014.08.27 17:25:00 -
[55] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Hal Morsh wrote:CCP said burners would be difficult. An npc emulating a faction frigate with deadspace gear, perfect skills and off grid boosts. I'm surprised it doesn't have remote rep alts and falcons in wait (I joke), but CCP doesn't have remote rep npcs implemented, nor have ewar ever worked on them. At least it prevents "ECM everything". Ewar works just fine on NPCs (except for warp disruption since rats don't really warp as much as despawn), and we've had remote-repping rats for half a decade now.
People have tried on test, it's ECM and that's about it. Excluding webs as that's less ewar on the traditional sense - I.e. Cap war, ECM, damps, TD.
These rats are different from the norm. |
Rayo Atra
Aliastra Gallente Federation
75
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Posted - 2014.08.27 17:37:00 -
[56] - Quote
so far ive been able to take the burner Dram, daredevil, and succubus with a rail enyo with a c-type rep and meta 8 webs, with no trouble . Tell you what I do like though: A killer. A dyed-in-the-wool killer. Cold-blooded, clean, methodical and thorough.
-Jean-Baptiste Emanuel Zorg
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Zimmy Zeta
Lisa Needs Braces.
45929
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Posted - 2014.08.27 20:27:00 -
[57] - Quote
What makes me really happy is that these missions will increase the demand for AFs, so I will probably sell more of them at a better price than ever before.
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Also, free Vengeance for the next poster in this thread!
edit: Congratulations, Big Lynx, may your rockets always strike true!
I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.
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Big Lynx
Destructive Mechanics Quam'Nocent
624
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Posted - 2014.08.27 20:29:00 -
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Arla Sarain
72
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Posted - 2014.08.27 20:49:00 -
[59] - Quote
lol how do i do these in a slahser?
so broken bad implemnetatin cos I cannt do them in a 77 dps slasher |
Hiply Rustic
Aliastra Gallente Federation
112
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Posted - 2014.08.27 20:54:00 -
[60] - Quote
Ramona McCandless wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote: It is fast becoming clear this was never designed for solo play, but instead force people to buy alts.
Its true. As soon as I tried to log back in for the first time in weeks, I was told I was required to purchase fifteen assault frigates and the alts to fly them or CCP would send The Brute Squad around to break my thumbs with mallets. The cads.
Will one of the alts be named Paddlethumb McCandless in honor of this horrific extortion attempt? Ralph King-Griffin wrote: "Eve deliberately excludes the stupid and the weak willied." EvE: Only the stong-willied need apply.
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Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
3138
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Posted - 2014.08.27 21:29:00 -
[61] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Hal Morsh wrote:CCP said burners would be difficult. An npc emulating a faction frigate with deadspace gear, perfect skills and off grid boosts. I'm surprised it doesn't have remote rep alts and falcons in wait (I joke), but CCP doesn't have remote rep npcs implemented, nor have ewar ever worked on them. At least it prevents "ECM everything". Ewar works just fine on NPCs (except for warp disruption since rats don't really warp as much as despawn), and we've had remote-repping rats for half a decade now.
And I get jammed way more often than I would like. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
5816
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Posted - 2014.08.27 21:35:00 -
[62] - Quote
afkalt wrote:Tippia wrote:Hal Morsh wrote:CCP said burners would be difficult. An npc emulating a faction frigate with deadspace gear, perfect skills and off grid boosts. I'm surprised it doesn't have remote rep alts and falcons in wait (I joke), but CCP doesn't have remote rep npcs implemented, nor have ewar ever worked on them. At least it prevents "ECM everything". Ewar works just fine on NPCs (except for warp disruption since rats don't really warp as much as despawn), and we've had remote-repping rats for half a decade now. People have tried on test, it's ECM and that's about it. Excluding webs as that's less ewar on the traditional sense - I.e. Cap war, ECM, damps, TD. These rats are different from the norm. Cap warfare works on NPC ships, it just works a bit differently than on a player ship.
Nos will give you a limited amount of cap from them for a short period of time. Neuts will reduce their repair rate by a small amount.
Now if you're saying the burner rats are different, I haven't tasted that yet. However I highly suspect that if they don't have the same vulnerabilities as normal rats (perhaps in a less detrimental way) then that would be either a bug... or something we have to have a chat with CCP about. If you like EVE Online and War Thunder content stop by my YouTube channel.-á
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afkalt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
291
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Posted - 2014.08.27 21:57:00 -
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Reports are ECM sees them falling back to 100km, extremely high damping (to the point of suggested frigates having base lock ranges of 400km+) resilience.
To be clear, I cannot independently verify as I've not had the opportunity to test, but these are from the test feedback thread so I rate their credibility quite highly. |
Celthric Kanerian
Ascendance Of New Eden Workers Trade Federation
62
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Posted - 2014.08.27 22:08:00 -
[64] - Quote
At the moment burner missions aren't worth running... The risk = reward is non existant. Atm I can earn 8 million from a burner mission and 5750 LP For a regular lvl 4 mission in my Paladin I'll earn roughly 20 million isk in bounty and a whole ship of junk. (The time it takes for both is roughly the same)
Some may say "Why don't you just do regular lvl 4's then?" Well, because I don't want to... I want to have fun while doing missions regardless what their objective is, and I'd like to be able to do burner missions but their tank and dps is too goddamn insane at this period of time.
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Hengle Teron
Mew Age Outpaws
62
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Posted - 2014.08.27 22:29:00 -
[65] - Quote
Celthric Kanerian wrote:At the moment burner missions aren't worth running... The risk = reward is non existant. Atm I can earn 8 million from a burner mission and 5750 LP For a regular lvl 4 mission in my Paladin I'll earn roughly 20 million isk in bounty and a whole ship of junk. (The time it takes for both is roughly the same)
Some may say "Why don't you just do regular lvl 4's then?" Well, because I don't want to... I want to have fun while doing missions regardless what their objective is, and I'd like to be able to do burner missions but their tank and dps is too goddamn insane at this period of time.
wait are you saying you want to be challenged ? But you also want it to be just easy to run ? |
Ocih
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
713
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Posted - 2014.08.27 22:36:00 -
[66] - Quote
What is the burner ratio in the mission table?
I don't run level 4 missions. I have the agents, I just prefer to do 3's. While I would like to try these burner missions, not enough that I will drag myself through 12 standard level 4's to get to one. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
5367
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Posted - 2014.08.28 01:54:00 -
[67] - Quote
Abrazzar wrote:Only a matter of time until the perfect fits for every individual rat is determined and posted on some page for reference. Then they turn from difficult into trivial, just like the rest.
Imagine if NASA made an MMO with real physics but we had to build the warp drive and optimize it before anybody could leave the solar system.
Of course the modeling on the server side would be immense and take the kind of computers nobody has seen before.
(on the coding level this is also nearly impossible)
Still, if this energy could be harnessed.... Bring back DEEEEP Space! |
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
1322
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Posted - 2014.08.28 04:43:00 -
[68] - Quote
If you do not want to run the burner missions - just dont and shut up. TunDraGon is recruiting! "Also, your boobs " -á CCP Eterne, 2012 "When in doubt...make a di++k joke."-áRobin Williams - RIP
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Yishna Strone
The Desolate Order Brave Collective
5
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Posted - 2014.08.28 11:27:00 -
[69] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:but instead force people to buy alts. This is how people with no friends would see it anyway. =ĮP Anyway, this means that the feature has passed the Dinsdale test and is a good addition to the game. Excellent news.
What's a Dinsdale test? I googled it but didn't come up with anything :| |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
4350
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Posted - 2014.08.28 11:36:00 -
[70] - Quote
Yishna Strone wrote: What's a Dinsdale test? I googled it but didn't come up with anything :|
thers a few, the player test is this: tell me what you see in this panel, it should be random letters
Quote:nullseccartelsrmtccpgoingtostealmyfirstborngoooonscomingforusallnullseccartelsrmtccpgoingtostealmyfirstborngoooonscomingforusallnullseccartelsrmtccpgoingtostealmyfirstborngoooonscomingforusallnullseccartelsrmtccpgoingtostealmyfirstborngoooonscomingforusallnullseccartelsrmtccpgoingtostealmyfirstborngoooonscomingforusallnullseccartelsrmtccpgoingtostealmyfirstborngoooonscomingforusallnullseccartelsrmtccpgoingtostealmyfirstborngoooonscomingforusallnullseccartelsrmtccpgoingtostealmyfirstborngoooonscomingforusallnullseccartelsrmtccpgoingtostealmyfirstborngoooonscomingforusallnullseccartelsrmtccpgoingtostealmyfirstborngoooonscomingforusallnullseccartelsrmtccpgoingtostealmyfirstborngoooonscomingforusallnullseccartelsrmtccpgoingtostealmyfirstborngoooonscomingforusallnullseccartelsrmtccpgoingtostealmyfirstborngoooonscomingforusallnullseccartelsrmtccpgoingtostealmyfirstborngoooonscomingforusallnullseccartelsrmtccpgoingtostealmyfirstborngoooonscomingforusallnullseccartelsrmtccpgoingtostealmyfirstborngoooonscomingforusallnullseccartelsrmtccpgoingtostealmyfirstborngoooonscomingforusallnullseccartelsrmtccpgoingtostealmyfirstborngoooonscomingforusallnullseccartelsrmtccpgoingtostealmyfirstborngoooonscomingforusallnullseccartelsrmtccpgoingtostealmyfirstborngoooonscomingforusallnullseccartelsrmtccpgoingtostealmyfirstborngoooonscomingforusallnullseccartelsrmtccpgoingtostealmyfirstborngoooonscomingforusallnullseccartelsrmtccpgoingtostealmyfirstborngoooonscomingforusallnullseccartelsrmtccpgoingtostealmyfirstborngoooonscomingforusallnullseccartelsrmtccpgoingtostealmyfirstborngoooonscomingforusallnullseccartelsrmtccpgoingtostealmyfirstborngoooonscomingforusallnullseccartelsrmtccpgoingtostealmyfirstborngoooonscomingforusallnullseccartelsrmtccpgoingtostealmyfirstborngoooonscomingforusallnullseccartelsrmtccpgoingtostealmyfirstborngoooonscomingforusallnullseccartelsrmtccpgoingtostealmyfirstborngoooonscomingforusallnullseccartelsrmtccpgoingtostealmyfirstborngoooonscomingforusallnullseccartelsrmtccpgoingtostealmyfirstborngoooonscomingforusall =][= |
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Imiarr Timshae
Funny Men In Funny Hats
245
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Posted - 2014.08.28 12:19:00 -
[71] - Quote
Dark Drifter wrote:
Ewar of every kind dose not work on them
And you've tested this? Because you're wrong Personal Standings Services - Free 3rd Party & Collateral Holding Service - 7+ Day Old Corps for Highsec POS Sales |
Yishna Strone
The Desolate Order Brave Collective
5
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Posted - 2014.08.28 13:31:00 -
[72] - Quote
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Yishna Strone wrote: What's a Dinsdale test? I googled it but didn't come up with anything :|
thers a few, the player test is this: tell me what you see in this panel, it should be random letters Quote:nullseccartelsrmtccpgoingtostealmyfirstborngoooonscomingforusallnullseccartelsrmtccpgoingtostealmyfirstborngoooonscomingforusallnullseccartelsrmtccpgoingtostealmyfirstborngoooonscomingforusallnullseccartelsrmtccpgoingtostealmyfirstborngoooonscomingforusallnullseccartelsrmtccpgoingtostealmyfirstborngoooonscomingforusallnullseccartelsrmtccpgoingtostealmyfirstborngoooonscomingforusallnullseccartelsrmtccpgoingtostealmyfirstborngoooonscomingforusallnullseccartelsrmtccpgoingtostealmyfirstborngoooonscomingforusallnullseccartelsrmtccpgoingtostealmyfirstborngoooonscomingforusallnullseccartelsrmtccpgoingtostealmyfirstborngoooonscomingforusallnullseccartelsrmtccpgoingtostealmyfirstborngoooonscomingforusallnullseccartelsrmtccpgoingtostealmyfirstborngoooonscomingforusallnullseccartelsrmtccpgoingtostealmyfirstborngoooonscomingforusallnullseccartelsrmtccpgoingtostealmyfirstborngoooonscomingforusallnullseccartelsrmtccpgoingtostealmyfirstborngoooonscomingforusallnullseccartelsrmtccpgoingtostealmyfirstborngoooonscomingforusallnullseccartelsrmtccpgoingtostealmyfirstborngoooonscomingforusallnullseccartelsrmtccpgoingtostealmyfirstborngoooonscomingforusallnullseccartelsrmtccpgoingtostealmyfirstborngoooonscomingforusallnullseccartelsrmtccpgoingtostealmyfirstborngoooonscomingforusallnullseccartelsrmtccpgoingtostealmyfirstborngoooonscomingforusallnullseccartelsrmtccpgoingtostealmyfirstborngoooonscomingforusallnullseccartelsrmtccpgoingtostealmyfirstborngoooonscomingforusallnullseccartelsrmtccpgoingtostealmyfirstborngoooonscomingforusallnullseccartelsrmtccpgoingtostealmyfirstborngoooonscomingforusallnullseccartelsrmtccpgoingtostealmyfirstborngoooonscomingforusallnullseccartelsrmtccpgoingtostealmyfirstborngoooonscomingforusallnullseccartelsrmtccpgoingtostealmyfirstborngoooonscomingforusallnullseccartelsrmtccpgoingtostealmyfirstborngoooonscomingforusallnullseccartelsrmtccpgoingtostealmyfirstborngoooonscomingforusallnullseccartelsrmtccpgoingtostealmyfirstborngoooonscomingforusallnullseccartelsrmtccpgoingtostealmyfirstborngoooonscomingforusall
I'm not sure if this is supposed to be a trick question >_> lol |
Gallowmere Rorschach
Enlightened Industries Goonswarm Federation
757
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Posted - 2014.08.29 17:19:00 -
[73] - Quote
Yishna Strone wrote: I'm not sure if this is supposed to be a trick question >_> lol
In case you are being serious, Dinsdale is Eve's resident tinfoil magnet. Everything that is wrong with Eve is somehow the fault of nullsec powerblocs, who he swears lead CCP by a pinched ear, while RMTing enough ISK to feed a third world country for years.
Or, if you prefer, in 1960syou'velostyourfuckingmind-ese, CCP is Congress, Hilmar is Kennedy, Goons are the Illuminati, you are all proles, and Dinsdale is the raving spaz on the streetcorner who swears that LSD helped him to see how all of them are connected to conspire against him. |
John Ending
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
125
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Posted - 2014.08.29 18:14:00 -
[74] - Quote
How many carebears will train Thermodynamics for the first time because of these missions |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
4421
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Posted - 2014.08.29 19:24:00 -
[75] - Quote
John Ending wrote:How many carebears will train Thermodynamics for the first time because of these missions Ah ****, nanite paste is going to get pricey. =][= |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
7921
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Posted - 2014.08.29 19:27:00 -
[76] - Quote
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:John Ending wrote:How many carebears will train Thermodynamics for the first time because of these missions Ah ****, nanite paste is going to get pricey.
It's all a conspriacy anyways. Daredevils are good at burners, and WHERE do Daredevils come from? Drops from rats and LP store purchases,,,,,,,,in GOON CONTROLLED SPACE.
Therefore CCP lied, High Sec died hastagDinsdale. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
4423
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Posted - 2014.08.29 20:05:00 -
[77] - Quote
Jenn aSide wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:John Ending wrote:How many carebears will train Thermodynamics for the first time because of these missions Ah ****, nanite paste is going to get pricey. It's all a conspriacy anyways. Daredevils are good at burners, and WHERE do Daredevils come from? Drops from rats and LP store purchases,,,,,,,,in GOON CONTROLLED SPACE. Therefore CCP lied, High Sec died hastagDinsdale. you are cleaning my ****ing keyboard after that =][= |
Aphoticus
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
0
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Posted - 2014.08.29 20:10:00 -
[78] - Quote
I do them in stealth bombers; not sure what the problem is. |
Dave Stark
6781
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Posted - 2014.08.29 20:16:00 -
[79] - Quote
burner missions are genuinely dull.
i was actually excited when ccp said "level 4 missions for frigates". shame that's not quite what they delivered. i'd rather have had an actual proper mission than an arbitrary "can you fit a frig with 400 dps and tank?" check. |
Tolkaz Khamsi
Empire Reclamation Services
17
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Posted - 2014.08.29 20:38:00 -
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Hasikan Miallok wrote: No completely new player will have the standings to run level IVs. By the time you can run IVs you will have ok fitting and basic skills.
Note that the Daredevil recommended above takes about 6 days to train into assuming you have no Gallente or Minmatar racial frigate at all. Add 2 weeks to get those skills to V and 2 more weeks to get T2 small hybrids. So maybe 6 weeks training.
Only six weeks of training, noob, and you can actually start to have fun in this game!
It's always the same story in Eve: if you want to do anything fun or exciting, it's on the other end of several weeks (or months) of skill training and/or ISK-grinding. (Though I suppose that's true of other MMO's as well.)
In the meantime, you can shoot little red x's in your crappy T1 frigate and just be glad that you can share the same space with the Elder Gods of Eve.
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Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
4109
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Posted - 2014.08.29 20:46:00 -
[81] - Quote
Hal Morsh wrote:CCP said burners would be difficult. An npc emulating a faction frigate with deadspace gear, perfect skills and off grid boosts. I'm surprised it doesn't have remote rep alts and falcons in wait (I joke), but CCP doesn't have remote rep npcs implemented, nor have ewar ever worked on them. At least it prevents "ECM everything".
Giving them those stats is a good start. It's supposed to expose people to the difficulty of pvp, so CCP better not nerf them :P
1.) Specific waves of sleeper and Incursion NPC's will remote rep each other.
2.) EWAR does work on NPC's. The most obvious is ECM, TP's, and Webs. Tracks and Damps supposedly do, but NPC have really weird stats that make those forms of EWAR typically ineffective. Neuts, Scrams, and Points have no effect.
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
11368
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Posted - 2014.08.29 21:25:00 -
[82] - Quote
Scrams work on the burners. It slows down the Guristas burner just as much as it should for having its MWD shut off. Enjoying the rain today? ;) |
Hal Morsh
Exodus Mining Corp
141
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Posted - 2014.09.15 23:26:00 -
[83] - Quote
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:Neuts, Scrams, and Points have no effect.
Points actually do. The rats in belts that carry minerals would sometimes warp out. I would bring points to counter this, but they would also break my lock periodically, so I would have to relock them to rescram before they got up to speed and warped out.
I assume they had target breakers or something. I enjoy a good session of mining. |
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
87
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Posted - 2014.09.16 05:46:00 -
[84] - Quote
Not such a ban of the whole burner thing. Like a lot of L4 folks my skills are all in Battleships, so I can't really participate. Would be nice to see more content for the main mission ships. |
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon Cynosural Field Theory.
1359
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Posted - 2014.09.16 06:12:00 -
[85] - Quote
If you Do not have sufficient skills for a frigate then I doubt you See fit for a battleship. Burner missions simulate a pvp fight and do not have the purpose to flush isk in your pockets. +1 for using search function TunDraGon is recruiting! "Also, your boobs " -á CCP Eterne, 2012 "When in doubt...make a di++k joke."-áRobin Williams - RIP
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
87
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Posted - 2014.09.16 06:21:00 -
[86] - Quote
Eugene Kerner wrote:If you Do not have sufficient skills for a frigate then I doubt you See fit for a battleship. Burner missions simulate a pvp fight and do not have the purpose to flush isk in your pockets.
My battleship skills are excellent, thank you. Some of us trained the bare minimum skills for ships under battleships, and then the perfect skillset for battleships. And ISK is not always an issue. |
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon Cynosural Field Theory.
1359
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Posted - 2014.09.16 06:53:00 -
[87] - Quote
Veers Belvar wrote:Eugene Kerner wrote:If you Do not have sufficient skills for a frigate then I doubt you See fit for a battleship. Burner missions simulate a pvp fight and do not have the purpose to flush isk in your pockets. My battleship skills are excellent, thank you. Some of us trained the bare minimum skills for ships under battleships, and then the perfect skillset for battleships. And ISK is not always an issue.
If your BS skills are that good then you only miss around 3 weeks for perfect frigate handling. Congratulations. TunDraGon is recruiting! "Also, your boobs " -á CCP Eterne, 2012 "When in doubt...make a di++k joke."-áRobin Williams - RIP
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Cancel Align NOW
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
106
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Posted - 2014.09.16 08:17:00 -
[88] - Quote
Eugene Kerner wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:Eugene Kerner wrote:If you Do not have sufficient skills for a frigate then I doubt you See fit for a battleship. Burner missions simulate a pvp fight and do not have the purpose to flush isk in your pockets. My battleship skills are excellent, thank you. Some of us trained the bare minimum skills for ships under battleships, and then the perfect skillset for battleships. And ISK is not always an issue. If your BS skills are that good then you only miss around 3 weeks for perfect frigate handling. Congratulations.
For an excellent Battleship Pilot:
Core Support Skills - Should be all done Gunnery/Missile Support Skills - Should be all done Navigation Skills - Should be all done Main Drone Skills - Should be all done Drone Support Skills - Should be all done Armour Skills - Should be all done Shield Skills - Should be all done Rigging Skills - Should be all done Targeting Skills - Should be all done
Estimated SP: 25,000,000 - 90,000,000
To access Burners you will need to do:
Small (racial specific) turret/missile V Small (racial specific) turret/missile range specialisation III+
racial frigate V assault ships III+
ewar skills to V aligned to specific Burner.
Estimated SP: 2,500,000 if you have all those skills at 0.
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Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
1627
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Posted - 2014.09.16 10:05:00 -
[89] - Quote
Eugene Kerner wrote:If you Do not have sufficient skills for a frigate then I doubt you See fit for a battleship. Burner missions simulate a pvp fight and do not have the purpose to flush isk in your pockets.
No they do not. CCP already stated they DO NOT SIMMULATE PVP. They are just ships as powerful as a player ship can be.
PVP is not in nay form like a burner mission. "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |
Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
5273
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Posted - 2014.09.16 10:15:00 -
[90] - Quote
Dark Drifter wrote:HeXxploiT wrote:Looks like we got what we asked for. Burner missions appear to be not only difficult, but damn near impossible! I thought My faction fitted Hawk was pretty badass until I tried to run a burner only to find that my 220dps wasn't scratching the paint on the enemy and I had to have a buddy do a suicide run to get unscrambled and get my ass out. Look likes CCP is trying to force(encourage) the group dynamic again. F* that i'm going to do this sh** myself!
Anyway it should prove to be a challenge. Anyone know how much these missions pay out? normal LP for a level 4 about 900k isk in reward and bonus 5mill for killing the rat in my opinion they are badly implimented. they way the site is set up means insta death for the first ship to land on grid Ewar of every kind dose not work on them there is no way for a frigate sized hull to mitigate the damage they do. its like taking your AF against a RLML cerb and expecting to live
I did that once with my Ishkur, and lived, with a Cerb kill. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104 |
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Prince Kobol
2175
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Posted - 2014.09.16 10:19:00 -
[91] - Quote
Eugene Kerner wrote:If you Do not have sufficient skills for a frigate then I doubt you See fit for a battleship. Burner missions simulate a pvp fight and do not have the purpose to flush isk in your pockets.
Burner mission do not emulate PvP missions, they were never designed to emulate PvP.
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Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon Cynosural Field Theory.
1361
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Posted - 2014.09.16 10:58:00 -
[92] - Quote
Kagura Nikon wrote:Eugene Kerner wrote:If you Do not have sufficient skills for a frigate then I doubt you See fit for a battleship. Burner missions simulate a pvp fight and do not have the purpose to flush isk in your pockets. No they do not. CCP already stated they DO NOT SIMMULATE PVP. They are just ships as powerful as a player ship can be. PVP is not in nay form like a burner mission. For someone who never did solo pvp its as close as it gets. TunDraGon is recruiting! "Also, your boobs " -á CCP Eterne, 2012 "When in doubt...make a di++k joke."-áRobin Williams - RIP
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Prince Kobol
2175
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Posted - 2014.09.16 11:11:00 -
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Eugene Kerner wrote:Kagura Nikon wrote:Eugene Kerner wrote:If you Do not have sufficient skills for a frigate then I doubt you See fit for a battleship. Burner missions simulate a pvp fight and do not have the purpose to flush isk in your pockets. No they do not. CCP already stated they DO NOT SIMMULATE PVP. They are just ships as powerful as a player ship can be. PVP is not in nay form like a burner mission. For someone who never did solo pvp its as close as it gets.
You sure about that? |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
8214
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Posted - 2014.09.16 12:38:00 -
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Cancel Align NOW wrote:Eugene Kerner wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:Eugene Kerner wrote:If you Do not have sufficient skills for a frigate then I doubt you See fit for a battleship. Burner missions simulate a pvp fight and do not have the purpose to flush isk in your pockets. My battleship skills are excellent, thank you. Some of us trained the bare minimum skills for ships under battleships, and then the perfect skillset for battleships. And ISK is not always an issue. If your BS skills are that good then you only miss around 3 weeks for perfect frigate handling. Congratulations. For an excellent Battleship Pilot: Core Support Skills - Should be all done Gunnery/Missile Support Skills - Should be all done Navigation Skills - Should be all done Main Drone Skills - Should be all done Drone Support Skills - Should be all done Armour Skills - Should be all done Shield Skills - Should be all done Rigging Skills - Should be all done Targeting Skills - Should be all done Estimated SP: 25,000,000 - 90,000,000 To access Burners you will need to do: Small (racial specific) turret/missile V Small (racial specific) turret/missile range specialisation III+ racial frigate V assault ships III+ ewar skills to V aligned to specific Burner. Estimated SP: 2,500,000 if you have all those skills at 0.
Not so.
[Daredevil, Burner Dramiel] Shadow Serpentis Armor Explosive Hardener Coreli A-Type Small Armor Repairer Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Shadow Serpentis Armor Explosive Hardener
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Small Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 400 Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Shadow Serpentis Light Ion Blaster, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Shadow Serpentis Light Ion Blaster, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S [empty high slot]
Small Hybrid Collision Accelerator I Small Anti-Kinetic Pump I Small Auxiliary Nano Pump I
What I use (anti-angel version). Thermodynamics to 4 is the most important skill It took my 3 days to get my Battleship (Rattlesnake/Machariel) flying alt to fly the above this at a level where it can beat burners without dying.
I cheat now and use an alt in a Griffin to EWAR the burners down after I get them webbed, but the above fit has kiulled burners solo. Faction IONs cost 8 mil a pop, chump change.
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Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
1508
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Posted - 2014.09.16 13:40:00 -
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Gizznitt Malikite wrote:2.) EWAR does work on NPC's. The most obvious is ECM, TP's, and Webs. Tracks and Damps supposedly do, but NPC have really weird stats that make those forms of EWAR typically ineffective. Neuts, Scrams, and Points have no effect.
Erm... the Angel Cartel Burner is very susceptable to ECM. We beat it by jamming it as soon as it was webbed, then swamping it with frigates. You do need to apply webs first, else it will pull range. It does come back when you disengage ECM, so you can in fact disable it untill all players are in the mission pocket. |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
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Posted - 2014.09.16 13:47:00 -
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Inxentas Ultramar wrote:Gizznitt Malikite wrote:2.) EWAR does work on NPC's. The most obvious is ECM, TP's, and Webs. Tracks and Damps supposedly do, but NPC have really weird stats that make those forms of EWAR typically ineffective. Neuts, Scrams, and Points have no effect. Erm... the Angel Cartel Burner is very susceptable to ECM. We beat it by jamming it as soon as it was webbed, then swamping it with frigates. You do need to apply webs first, else it will pull range. It does come back when you disengage ECM, so you can in fact disable it untill all players are in the mission pocket.
Thus is the power of ACTUALLY DOING THINGS lol. The poster you responded to most likely hadn't tried a single burner mission before declaring that EWAR doesn't work against them. It's the 1st thing i tried and I spend 3 days training an alt to use an ECM (and FoF light missiles, yay extra 20 dps lol) Griffin and it's ridiculous how easy Burner missions are now.
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AkJon Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance
262
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Posted - 2014.09.16 14:15:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Inxentas Ultramar wrote:Gizznitt Malikite wrote:2.) EWAR does work on NPC's. The most obvious is ECM, TP's, and Webs. Tracks and Damps supposedly do, but NPC have really weird stats that make those forms of EWAR typically ineffective. Neuts, Scrams, and Points have no effect. Erm... the Angel Cartel Burner is very susceptable to ECM. We beat it by jamming it as soon as it was webbed, then swamping it with frigates. You do need to apply webs first, else it will pull range. It does come back when you disengage ECM, so you can in fact disable it untill all players are in the mission pocket. Thus is the power of ACTUALLY DOING THINGS lol. The poster you responded to most likely hadn't tried a single burner mission before declaring that EWAR doesn't work against them. It's the 1st thing i tried and I spend 3 days training an alt to use an ECM (and FoF light missiles, yay extra 20 dps lol) Griffin and it's ridiculous how easy Burner missions are now.
So now 'EWAR does work' means 'EWAR doesn't work.'?
Sounds like scrams work (to slow them down.) Can anyone else c/d?
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AkJon Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance
263
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Posted - 2014.09.16 14:26:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:Burner mission do not emulate PvP missions, they were never designed to emulate PvP.
It's kind of like an honourable 1v1 against someone who's cocky enough to tell you his fit ahead of time and has agreed not to warp off.
But no, you're right, it's not similar to a typical pvp experience.
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Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon Cynosural Field Theory.
1362
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Posted - 2014.09.16 14:28:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:Eugene Kerner wrote:Kagura Nikon wrote:Eugene Kerner wrote:If you Do not have sufficient skills for a frigate then I doubt you See fit for a battleship. Burner missions simulate a pvp fight and do not have the purpose to flush isk in your pockets. No they do not. CCP already stated they DO NOT SIMMULATE PVP. They are just ships as powerful as a player ship can be. PVP is not in nay form like a burner mission. For someone who never did solo pvp its as close as it gets. You sure about that? Well for some of the missions warp scramblers help a lot. Some players may have seen this module one time during tutorial and then never fitted it again because it had no need do it. Burners are hard hitting targets that can be beaten when countered propperly...much like pvp...and you can be sure the burner has no falcon alt.
TunDraGon is recruiting! "Also, your boobs " -á CCP Eterne, 2012 "When in doubt...make a di++k joke."-áRobin Williams - RIP
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NoLife NoFriends StillPosting
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
33
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Posted - 2014.09.16 15:41:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:but instead force people to buy alts. This is how people with no friends would see it anyway. Burned. Pun fully intended.
HAHA! The irony. |
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
5859
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Posted - 2014.09.16 16:59:00 -
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Just for the record, Neuts and Nos also have an effect on NPC's... it's just not the effect you would expect.
NOS give you a limited amount of cap from an NPC target. Neuts reduce the NPC targets ability to repair damage as quickly.
This applies to any NPC, and has for some time now. If you like EVE Online and War Thunder content stop by my YouTube channel.-á
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
8220
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Posted - 2014.09.16 17:14:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Just for the record, Neuts and Nos also have an effect on NPC's... it's just not the effect you would expect.
NOS give you a limited amount of cap from an NPC target. Neuts reduce the NPC targets ability to repair damage as quickly.
This applies to any NPC, and has for some time now.
I once posted a Mach ratting fit that had a neut on it (the neut doing double duty of lowering Rat's shield/armor boost chance and giving me something to use in case a ceptor landed on me and pointed me, ceptors no like large faction neut) and another poster derided me for it because 'neuts don't do anything to NPCs'.
Grrr CCP forum rules that won't let me post that poster's nullsec ratting ships with neuts killmail grr.
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
5859
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Posted - 2014.09.16 17:28:00 -
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What I found somewhat amusing was that in the interview with CCP Beyesian of team Space Glitter (available on my YouTube channel) he revealed that several NPC related mechanics have only recently been repaired by his team.
His example was that NPC's in Incursions have not been remote repping each other as they are supposed to for some time now, but nobody noticed.
Well, now that it's fixed (or soon will be in the next release, he wasn't clear on that point) I'm pretty sure people will notice in a hurry. If you like EVE Online and War Thunder content stop by my YouTube channel.-á
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
89
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Posted - 2014.09.16 20:07:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:What I found somewhat amusing was that in the interview with CCP Beyesian of team Space Glitter (available on my YouTube channel) he revealed that several NPC related mechanics have only recently been repaired by his team. His example was that NPC's in Incursions have not been remote repping each other as they are supposed to for some time now, but nobody noticed. Well, now that it's fixed (or soon will be in the next release, he wasn't clear on that point) I'm pretty sure people will notice in a hurry.
Interesting...In the last few days I noticed incursion rats repping much more quickly than usual....thought it was just a quirk. I guess this could be one of those "stealth" fixes. |
Cancel Align NOW
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
113
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Posted - 2014.09.16 23:38:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Cancel Align NOW wrote:
SP based words
Not so. More SP based words with a relevant fit attached.
I stand corrected. I will have to give that a whirl. Thanks for sharing.
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