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Xuixien
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
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Posted - 2014.08.30 12:27:00 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Solecist Project wrote:Lan Wang wrote:Fake pvp is killing an industrial and thinking it should be viable for a gf in local, all the great stories of eve dont involve the 200 man highsec merc corps wardeccing the 50man mining corps because thats not great news and not even a cool story. Experienced players killing rookies is an even worse story
Stay in npc corps and dont give wardeccers the satisfaction, hopefully this will force them to low and nullsec where more great content can be made, i doubt it though as easy targets in null are few and far between Here we have another example of someone who draws his self worth from what s/he believes is "true PvP". Please note that these people do indeed believe they are better ... ... as they put themselves into the group of "true" ones ... ... while they put the others into the "false". I dont take my sports car out on the weekend and overtake a bus and class it as a race so whats the difference, "hi mate i had a good race with a bus today totally thrashed it" not really a race was it? But but it was a person driving the bus so it must have been a race as he was going in the same direction as me
I'm still gonna laugh at the guy for bringing a bus to a race. Epic Space Cat |
Lan Wang
Coreli Corporation Ineluctable.
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Posted - 2014.08.30 12:29:00 -
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Xuixien wrote:Lan Wang wrote:Solecist Project wrote:Lan Wang wrote:Fake pvp is killing an industrial and thinking it should be viable for a gf in local, all the great stories of eve dont involve the 200 man highsec merc corps wardeccing the 50man mining corps because thats not great news and not even a cool story. Experienced players killing rookies is an even worse story
Stay in npc corps and dont give wardeccers the satisfaction, hopefully this will force them to low and nullsec where more great content can be made, i doubt it though as easy targets in null are few and far between Here we have another example of someone who draws his self worth from what s/he believes is "true PvP". Please note that these people do indeed believe they are better ... ... as they put themselves into the group of "true" ones ... ... while they put the others into the "false". I dont take my sports car out on the weekend and overtake a bus and class it as a race so whats the difference, "hi mate i had a good race with a bus today totally thrashed it" not really a race was it? But but it was a person driving the bus so it must have been a race as he was going in the same direction as me I'm still gonna laugh at the guy for bringing a bus to a race.
But it wasnt a race in the first place...
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Xuixien
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
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Posted - 2014.08.30 12:31:00 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Xuixien wrote:Lan Wang wrote:Solecist Project wrote:Lan Wang wrote:Fake pvp is killing an industrial and thinking it should be viable for a gf in local, all the great stories of eve dont involve the 200 man highsec merc corps wardeccing the 50man mining corps because thats not great news and not even a cool story. Experienced players killing rookies is an even worse story
Stay in npc corps and dont give wardeccers the satisfaction, hopefully this will force them to low and nullsec where more great content can be made, i doubt it though as easy targets in null are few and far between Here we have another example of someone who draws his self worth from what s/he believes is "true PvP". Please note that these people do indeed believe they are better ... ... as they put themselves into the group of "true" ones ... ... while they put the others into the "false". I dont take my sports car out on the weekend and overtake a bus and class it as a race so whats the difference, "hi mate i had a good race with a bus today totally thrashed it" not really a race was it? But but it was a person driving the bus so it must have been a race as he was going in the same direction as me I'm still gonna laugh at the guy for bringing a bus to a race. But it wasnt a race in the first place...
Except it was. Welcome to EVE Online.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
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Posted - 2014.08.30 12:33:00 -
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Lan Wang wrote: But it wasnt a race in the first place...
In a PvP game, it always is, whether you choose to prepare for it correctly or not. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
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Lan Wang
Coreli Corporation Ineluctable.
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Posted - 2014.08.30 12:35:00 -
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And that is your perception, my perception of your perception is fake pvp EVEALON Creative --áLogo Design | Killboard Banners | -áWeb Design | Website Graphics -á
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
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Posted - 2014.08.30 12:37:00 -
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Lan Wang wrote:And that is your perception, my perception of your perception is fake pvp
The devs have outright told you that your perception is wrong, and that EVE is a PvP game.
You don't get to call a draw, knock over the checkerboard and call it even. You don't get to claim "difference of opinion", because it's not an opinion.
Ours is a statement of fact, yours is a self inflicted delusion.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
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Xuixien
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
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Posted - 2014.08.30 12:38:00 -
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Lan Wang wrote:And that is your perception, my perception of your perception is fake pvp
Oh, don't try to hide behind intellectual cop outs. EVE is a PvP game and that's a fact. The DEVs have all but said as much. EVE is a survival game; you are automatically in competition with everyone, whether you choose to "perceive" it that way or not. If you choose to bring a bus to a race, that's your choice, but there's no point in crying when a Ferrari blows past you or an 18-wheeler runs you off the road. If you choose to have an "opinion", that's your prerogative... you're free to be wrong. Epic Space Cat |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
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Posted - 2014.08.30 12:40:00 -
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And given CCP Falcon's recent and repeated statements(that he has told us are shared by most of CCP itself), it just really shows the depths of delusion that carebears can sink to.
In this context, "God" has literally come down from on high to tell you that you are not just wrong, but as wrong as it's possible to be while still physically existing.
And yet, like Satan, you persist, despite the Ultimate and Only Authority telling you in no uncertain terms that you are wrong. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
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Xuixien
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
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Posted - 2014.08.30 12:43:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:And given CCP Falcon's recent and repeated statements(that he has told us are shared by most of CCP itself), it just really shows the depths of delusion that carebears can sink to.
In this context, "God" has literally come down from on high to tell you that you are not just wrong, but as wrong as it's possible to be while still physically existing.
And yet, like Satan, you persist, despite the Ultimate and Only Authority telling you in no uncertain terms that you are wrong.
Obviously CCP is wrong when they say their game is a PvP game. Epic Space Cat |
Lan Wang
Coreli Corporation Ineluctable.
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Posted - 2014.08.30 12:43:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Lan Wang wrote: But it wasnt a race in the first place...
In a PvP game, it always is, whether you choose to prepare for it correctly or not.
This is not just a pvp game this is a game of many careers and a sandbox where people can be whatever they want which may not be pvp, you just assume that because you play eve you have to pvp and you have to be social and you have to do this, they dont have to do anything if they want industrial/trading/single player game then whats the issue EVEALON Creative --áLogo Design | Killboard Banners | -áWeb Design | Website Graphics -á
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
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Posted - 2014.08.30 12:45:00 -
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Lan Wang wrote: This is not just a pvp game
Barring some pretty ridiculous and exceedingly contrived circumstances, yes, it is.
And CCP says so.
Quote: you just assume that because you play eve you have to pvp and you have to be social and you have to do this, they dont have to do anything if they want industrial/trading/single player game then whats the issue
No, they don't "have" to defend themselves.
But they should not be surprised if they die in that case, since EVE is a PvP game after all. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
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Lan Wang
Coreli Corporation Ineluctable.
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Posted - 2014.08.30 12:46:00 -
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If this is just a pvp game then why is there mining, trading, haulling, missions etc etc all the things where people who dont want to interact with others dont have to EVEALON Creative --áLogo Design | Killboard Banners | -áWeb Design | Website Graphics -á
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
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Posted - 2014.08.30 12:48:00 -
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Lan Wang wrote:If this is just a pvp game then why is there mining, trading, haulling, missions etc etc all the things where people who dont want to interact with others dont have to
Those things are all PvP. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2014.08.30 12:49:00 -
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Lan Wang wrote:And that is your perception, my perception of your perception is fake pvp no
CCP Falcon wrote:
EVE is built on the core principle that you are never 100% safe, no matter where you go or what you do. When you interact with another player, you roll the dice on whether they're going to screw you over or not. That's a massive part of the social engineering behind the very basic underpinnings of the EVE Universe.
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Xuixien
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
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Posted - 2014.08.30 12:50:00 -
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Lan Wang wrote:This is not just a pvp game this is a game of many careers and a sandbox where people can be whatever they want which may not be pvp, you just assume that because you play eve you have to pvp and you have to be social and you have to do this, they dont have to do anything if they want industrial/trading/single player game then whats the issue.....
If this is just a pvp game then why is there mining, trading, haulling, missions etc etc all the things where people who dont want to interact with others dont have to
Wrong on all counts. Whenever you are logged in to EVE and doing things that require you to undock or use the market, you are engaged in the community (ie, social). When you trade you are in competition (PvP) with other players on the market. When you haul you are in competition (PvP) with other players. There is no place you can go in EVE where you are free from interacting with others, except in station and AFK. When you mine it doesn't matter if you don't want to interact - anyone is free to jump into an SFI or a Catalyst and interact with you. Same goes for missions.
You are wholly incorrect. Epic Space Cat |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2014.08.30 12:51:00 -
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Lan Wang wrote:If this is just a pvp game then why is there mining, trading, haulling, missions etc etc all the things where people who dont want to interact with others dont have to facets, the machine needs oil to run =][= |
Lan Wang
Coreli Corporation Ineluctable.
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Posted - 2014.08.30 12:56:00 -
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Xuixien wrote:Lan Wang wrote:This is not just a pvp game this is a game of many careers and a sandbox where people can be whatever they want which may not be pvp, you just assume that because you play eve you have to pvp and you have to be social and you have to do this, they dont have to do anything if they want industrial/trading/single player game then whats the issue.....
If this is just a pvp game then why is there mining, trading, haulling, missions etc etc all the things where people who dont want to interact with others dont have to Wrong on all counts. Whenever you are logged in to EVE and doing things that require you to undock or use the market, you are engaged in the community (ie, social). When you trade you are in competition (PvP) with other players on the market. When you haul you are in competition (PvP) with other players. There is no place you can go in EVE where you are free from interacting with others, except in station and AFK. When you mine it doesn't matter if you don't want to interact - anyone is free to jump into an SFI or a Catalyst and interact with you. Same goes for missions. You are wholly incorrect.
Well you summed it up with 1 word "competition" there is no competition i. A battleship killing a mining barge or 2 week old player through a wardec, doesnt matter how you paint it, versus means 2 or more people competing, one of the players aint competing so its invalid as much as you like to call it pvp i like to call it fake pvp
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2014.08.30 13:02:00 -
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have you tried to catch a war target with a battle ship recently?
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Lan Wang
Coreli Corporation Ineluctable.
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Posted - 2014.08.30 13:05:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:have you tried to catch a war target with a battle ship recently?
nope i dont have war targets i live in nullsec so dont need to wardec anyone to kill them, have you tried to pvp in nullsec before? people dont jump to npc corps down there so no worries with that either
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Xuixien
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
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Posted - 2014.08.30 13:11:00 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Xuixien wrote:Lan Wang wrote:This is not just a pvp game this is a game of many careers and a sandbox where people can be whatever they want which may not be pvp, you just assume that because you play eve you have to pvp and you have to be social and you have to do this, they dont have to do anything if they want industrial/trading/single player game then whats the issue.....
If this is just a pvp game then why is there mining, trading, haulling, missions etc etc all the things where people who dont want to interact with others dont have to Wrong on all counts. Whenever you are logged in to EVE and doing things that require you to undock or use the market, you are engaged in the community (ie, social). When you trade you are in competition (PvP) with other players on the market. When you haul you are in competition (PvP) with other players. There is no place you can go in EVE where you are free from interacting with others, except in station and AFK. When you mine it doesn't matter if you don't want to interact - anyone is free to jump into an SFI or a Catalyst and interact with you. Same goes for missions. You are wholly incorrect. Well you summed it up with 1 word "competition" there is no competition i. A battleship killing a mining barge or 2 week old player through a wardec, doesnt matter how you paint it, versus means 2 or more people competing, one of the players aint competing so its invalid as much as you like to call it pvp i like to call it fake pvp
Much the same way that animals are not cognizant of the fact that they are in competition with other organisms, many EVE players also do not realize that such competition exists between them. This does not, however, remove said competition from the equation. You're just looking at it wrong. Who said the battleship is in competition with the miner? The miner is prey. Prey does not compete with the predator as much as prey competes with other prey. Sure, the battleship and the miner are engaged in a bit of an arms race - battleship trying to catch miner, miner trying to get away, the same way a cheetah is in an arms race with a springbok. But the miner is engaged in more competition with other miners than he is with those who prey on him. The miner who is not smart enough to avoid getting killed during a WarDec loses the competition against the miner who is smart enough to avoid getting killed during a WarDec. The miners are in competition and they needn't even know the other even exists.
You can call it "fake PvP" all you want. You're still wrong. Epic Space Cat |
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2014.08.30 13:14:00 -
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briefly, i may come out to null at some point im having waaaaay too much fun shinaniganising the bears in high sec. =][= |
Solecist Project
Mew Age Outpaws
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Posted - 2014.08.30 13:18:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:... shinaniganising ... I have learned a new word I love the sound of ... ... even if it doesn't actually exist. :)
Thank you. (: http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com - Mew Age Calendar YC116.08.27 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=369961 |
Solecist Project
Mew Age Outpaws
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Posted - 2014.08.30 13:19:00 -
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Reading through the last posts there is so much evidence that too many people do not understand what "PvP" means/stands for.
Lots of pointless, completely avoidable discussions and arguments are born from this. http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com - Mew Age Calendar YC116.08.27 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=369961 |
Lan Wang
Coreli Corporation Ineluctable.
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Posted - 2014.08.30 13:35:00 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Reading through the last posts there is so much evidence that too many people do not understand what "PvP" means/stands for.
Lots of pointless, completely avoidable discussions and arguments are born from this.
pvp means player versus player, there are other forms but pvp is usually 2 or more live perticipents competing against each other, what alot of people here seem to class pvp as is nothing more than player killing or ganking, being that a wardec is kinda non-consensual its merely classed as player killing in most cases of big corps who wardec rookies and industrials and seem to class it as "pvp" may seem like it is pvp because it is 2 players afterall but really i dont consider it to be pvp.
"Player killing, or PKing, is non-consensual PvP resulting in a character's death. Some games offer open PvP (also sometimes called world PvP), where one player can attack another without warning anywhere in the game world. A pure PK game is one where PvP conflict is the only gameplay offered. Ganking (short for gang killing) is a type of PKing in which the killer has a significant advantage over his victim, such as being part of a group, being a higher level, or attacking the victim while they are at low health."
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
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Posted - 2014.08.30 13:39:00 -
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Lan Wang wrote:
pvp means player versus player, there are other forms but pvp is usually 2 or more live perticipents competing against each other, what alot of people here seem to class pvp as is nothing more than player killing or ganking, being that a wardec is kinda non-consensual its merely classed as player killing in most cases of big corps who wardec rookies and industrials and seem to class it as "pvp" may seem like it is pvp because it is 2 players afterall but really i dont consider it to be pvp.
".... Some games offer open PvP (also sometimes called world PvP), where one player can attack another without warning anywhere in the game world."
From your own post, your chosen definition of PVP expressly includes a line disagreeing with you. "Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
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Solecist Project
Mew Age Outpaws
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Posted - 2014.08.30 13:48:00 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Solecist Project wrote:Reading through the last posts there is so much evidence that too many people do not understand what "PvP" means/stands for.
Lots of pointless, completely avoidable discussions and arguments are born from this. pvp means player versus player, there are other forms but pvp is usually 2 or more live perticipents competing against each other, what alot of people here seem to class pvp as is nothing more than player killing or ganking
That does not change the fact that it still falls into "PvP". It's one player vs. the other.
I want to point out to you that you show bias in these regards and express a dislike regarding forms of "PvP combat"* others engage in.
Also I do feel the need to add that "PvP" is, in no way or form, only about (virtual) "physical" combat.
Market "PvP" is a thing too, for example.
*(i use combat as lack of a more general word. Some would probably feel inclined to use the word "slaughtering" when it comes to suicide ganking, which still would not make it any less "PvP") http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com - Mew Age Calendar YC116.08.27 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=369961 |
Lan Wang
Coreli Corporation Ineluctable.
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Posted - 2014.08.30 13:48:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Lan Wang wrote:
pvp means player versus player, there are other forms but pvp is usually 2 or more live perticipents competing against each other, what alot of people here seem to class pvp as is nothing more than player killing or ganking, being that a wardec is kinda non-consensual its merely classed as player killing in most cases of big corps who wardec rookies and industrials and seem to class it as "pvp" may seem like it is pvp because it is 2 players afterall but really i dont consider it to be pvp.
".... Some games offer open PvP (also sometimes called world PvP), where one player can attack another without warning anywhere in the game world."
From your own post, your chosen definition of PVP expressly includes a line disagreeing with you.
As i said its my perception of what real pvp is, player killing isnt the same as player vs player
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Xuixien
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
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Posted - 2014.08.30 13:49:00 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Lan Wang wrote:
pvp means player versus player, there are other forms but pvp is usually 2 or more live perticipents competing against each other, what alot of people here seem to class pvp as is nothing more than player killing or ganking, being that a wardec is kinda non-consensual its merely classed as player killing in most cases of big corps who wardec rookies and industrials and seem to class it as "pvp" may seem like it is pvp because it is 2 players afterall but really i dont consider it to be pvp.
".... Some games offer open PvP (also sometimes called world PvP), where one player can attack another without warning anywhere in the game world."
From your own post, your chosen definition of PVP expressly includes a line disagreeing with you. As i said its my perception of what real pvp is, player killing isnt the same as player vs player
Your perception is wrong. CCP has even told you as much. Epic Space Cat |
Lan Wang
Coreli Corporation Ineluctable.
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Posted - 2014.08.30 13:50:00 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Lan Wang wrote:Solecist Project wrote:Reading through the last posts there is so much evidence that too many people do not understand what "PvP" means/stands for.
Lots of pointless, completely avoidable discussions and arguments are born from this. pvp means player versus player, there are other forms but pvp is usually 2 or more live perticipents competing against each other, what alot of people here seem to class pvp as is nothing more than player killing or ganking That does not change the fact that it still falls into "PvP". It's one player vs. the other. I want to point out to you that you show bias in these regards and express a dislike regarding forms of "PvP" others engage in. Also I do feel the need to add that "PvP" is, in no way or form, only about (virtual) "physical" combat. Market "PvP" is a thing too, for example.
Yes and thats 2 players competing to sell something, just like a race its 2 or more people competing to beat the other, just because a bus is on the same road doesnt mean he was in the race
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Xuixien
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
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Posted - 2014.08.30 13:53:00 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Solecist Project wrote:Lan Wang wrote:Solecist Project wrote:Reading through the last posts there is so much evidence that too many people do not understand what "PvP" means/stands for.
Lots of pointless, completely avoidable discussions and arguments are born from this. pvp means player versus player, there are other forms but pvp is usually 2 or more live perticipents competing against each other, what alot of people here seem to class pvp as is nothing more than player killing or ganking That does not change the fact that it still falls into "PvP". It's one player vs. the other. I want to point out to you that you show bias in these regards and express a dislike regarding forms of "PvP" others engage in. Also I do feel the need to add that "PvP" is, in no way or form, only about (virtual) "physical" combat. Market "PvP" is a thing too, for example. Yes and thats 2 players competing to sell something, just like a race its 2 or more people competing to beat the other, just because a bus is on the same road doesnt mean he was in the race
In EVE Online everyone is in the race whether they realize it, or admit it. Epic Space Cat |
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