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Lan Wang
Coreli Corporation Ineluctable.
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Posted - 2014.08.27 12:16:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Lan Wang wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Lan Wang wrote:Valkin Mordirc wrote: Firstly, If you cannot defend yourself, you do not deserve to be alive in the first place. Pretty much my own personal philosophy in EVE.
how does a few week old player defend themself against a 50+mil sp player? Personally, I'm a big fan of the Griffin. Doesn't matter how many skillpoints you have, you can't fight if you're jammed. yeah and by the time the week old player has locked you to jam you then he's already been alpha'd off the field by your insta-locking nado or proteus, great achievement Who uses a tornado in a wardec? Furthermore, how can a tornado even hit a griffin with an AB on orbiting the fleet anchor? Transversal alone should make it miss. Have you even done this before? I mean, I am seriously out of practice, by nearly a year, but even I know better than that.
who cares what ship it is bottom line is young players dont have the skill or knowledge to even consider situations like this.
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Xuixien
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
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Posted - 2014.08.27 12:16:00 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Valkin Mordirc wrote:Lan Wang wrote:Valkin Mordirc wrote: Firstly, If you cannot defend yourself, you do not deserve to be alive in the first place. Pretty much my own personal philosophy in EVE.
how does a few week old player defend themself against a 50+mil sp player? A new player shouldn't put them in a place that allows another player to hurt them. If a new player warped into a lowsec system, with they're leet pvp Merlin, would you kill them? Yeah, you probably would. Would it be fair for that new player, to be mad that he died? The same goes for highsec, You joined a corp? Good on you, Here's all the **** that can affect you. The only difference between highsec wardecs and lowsec roams, is that Highsec wardeccers can choose their targets a little better than a lowsec roamer can. Even then, the wardeccers with the so called 50+mil SP, can get their **** kicked to the curb. dont blame the rookie for wanting to learn the game when its really your lack of pvp skills, you chooe your targets by finding the newest players you can and using their lack of knowledge to your advantage, thats not skill nor is it justifiable in any way
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Experiment 32423
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.08.27 12:16:00 -
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Or, you could interpret it as a valuable learning experience and learn to deal with those situations.
No matter how much you want it to, the game does not revolve around grinding missions or mining in a completely safe environment. While there are many ways to 'exploit' the mechanics to create a perfectly safe environment, figuring out a way to actually handle the situations is both more satisfying and educational.
For one, you can put together a group of people to blob them, you can go to less populated areas in low or null, or wormholes.. or you could buy PLEX and waste it on useless bounties no one cares about. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
9181
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Posted - 2014.08.27 12:18:00 -
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Lan Wang wrote: who cares what ship it is bottom line is young players dont have the skill or knowledge to even consider situations like this.
Who cares what ship it is?
That was half my point, you don't even know how a wardeccer fights, how would you know what is or is not a viable tactic for low SP players?
The question was posed how they are supposed to fight back. I answered it, and it was a damned good answer what's more.
Don't come in here and nitpick me, then tell me that the semantics aren't up for discussion. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
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Posted - 2014.08.27 12:19:00 -
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Ive just figured out what "it" is
It's it "Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
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Valkin Mordirc
129
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Posted - 2014.08.27 12:19:00 -
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Ether Wing wrote:Valkin Mordirc wrote:You mean this wardec? https://zkillboard.com/war/378511/Firstly, If you cannot defend yourself, you do not deserve to be alive in the first place. Pretty much my own personal philosophy in EVE. Quote: Learn to properly fit your ship
Jesus christ, these guys are noobs. Give them a break. Why not be a little considerate when giving advice, instead of quoting the law of the jungle? Are you saying there was never a time when you didn't know what the **** you were doing with fitting your ships and being a general moron with the finer points of how to play the game? Go blow them up all you want, but please, at least realize that these guys are brand new to the game and could use some encouragement, instead of being **** talked to.
Was I ever a noob? Yeah, but I had people to teach me. I joined a corp that could defend itself and me along with it. I read guides, and taught myself how to fit ships and how to do everything else. They should be doing the same thing.
And I am teaching them, you failed to quote the Link to a proper fitted Algos. Interesting right? I showed them what they did wrong and gave them a good fit. Psychotic Monk for CSM9
Scipio Artelius: I find your continued optimism for the outcome of the CSM vote endearing |
Xuixien
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
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Posted - 2014.08.27 12:20:00 -
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BTW Sorry guys, but declaring war is not "griefing". Epic Space Cat |
Grog Aftermath
Need more grog
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Posted - 2014.08.27 12:20:00 -
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Valkin Mordirc wrote:Lan Wang wrote:
dont blame the rookie for wanting to learn the game when its really your lack of pvp skills, you chooe your targets by finding the newest players you can and using their lack of knowledge to your advantage, thats not skill nor is it justifiable in any way
Since when is EVE, a game where you can run around willy nilly and not be bothered? The player joins a corp, they accept that they can be wardec. They made that choice. They made that risk. There is no justifiable reason for them to be protected when they made the choice to go in the the real world outside the NPC corp.
Just because someone is new, does not mean they are somehow special. Sorry. Welcome to EVE, here's your complimentary charge of Antimatter.
Bolded and underlined the relevant bit.
Very true what you just said, although I'm sure there are some new players that are not aware of that.
I would suggest it needs to be spelt out in the tutorials, but I won't as it's obvious from other MMO a lot of players don't even read stuff, just follow quest/mission markers. |
Ciba Lexlulu
Stay Frosty. A Band Apart.
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Posted - 2014.08.27 12:22:00 -
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Ether Wing wrote:Valkin Mordirc wrote:You mean this wardec? https://zkillboard.com/war/378511/Firstly, If you cannot defend yourself, you do not deserve to be alive in the first place. Pretty much my own personal philosophy in EVE. Quote: Learn to properly fit your ship
Jesus christ, these guys are noobs. Give them a break. Why not be a little considerate when giving advice, instead of quoting the law of the jungle? Are you saying there was never a time when you didn't know what the **** you were doing with fitting your ships and being a general moron with the finer points of how to play the game? Go blow them up all you want, but please, at least realize that these guys are brand new to the game and could use some encouragement, instead of being **** talked to.
Exactly my point! I did not know better when I started. I just want to share my experience with newer players out there that lowsec is actually not that dangerous as long as you know basic rules such as Watch d-scanspace do not go AFK in space etc. Most of the 'griefings' in EvE happen in highsec.
In low sec, players owned Corp constantly patrol the space to make sure none of these griefing corps are there. |
Zero Sum Gain
FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDOOOOOOOOM Silent Requiem
98
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Posted - 2014.08.27 12:22:00 -
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Wait, so you and your friends decided to start a little group in an MMO and didn't expect to be decimated, destroyed, and utterly **** on? What a bunch of dumbasses! |
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Lan Wang
Coreli Corporation Ineluctable.
75
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Posted - 2014.08.27 12:24:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Lan Wang wrote: who cares what ship it is bottom line is young players dont have the skill or knowledge to even consider situations like this.
Who cares what ship it is? That was half my point, you don't even know how a wardeccer fights, how would you know what is or is not a viable tactic for low SP players? The question was posed how they are supposed to fight back. I answered it, and it was a damned good answer what's more. Don't come in here and nitpick me, then tell me that the semantics aren't up for discussion.
please enlighten us on how a nado cant be used for sitting on undocks popping frigs before they have a chance to breath? and let us know what ships and fits you use for wardeccing rookie corps
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Xuixien
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
1566
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Posted - 2014.08.27 12:26:00 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Lan Wang wrote: who cares what ship it is bottom line is young players dont have the skill or knowledge to even consider situations like this.
Who cares what ship it is? That was half my point, you don't even know how a wardeccer fights, how would you know what is or is not a viable tactic for low SP players? The question was posed how they are supposed to fight back. I answered it, and it was a damned good answer what's more. Don't come in here and nitpick me, then tell me that the semantics aren't up for discussion. please enlighten us on how a nado cant be used for sitting on undocks popping frigs before they have a chance to breath? and let us know what ships and fits you use for wardeccing rookie corps
Instant-undocks will help those frigates a lot, as will cloaky warp-ins and tackle (hell even a crappy stealth bomber can unlock 2k from a nado, grab point, and orbit it avoiding all damage from the guns).
For HiSec wars I used everything from a Navy Comet, an armor kiting Nomen, to a Proteus. Epic Space Cat |
Valkin Mordirc
129
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Posted - 2014.08.27 12:28:00 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Lan Wang wrote: who cares what ship it is bottom line is young players dont have the skill or knowledge to even consider situations like this.
Who cares what ship it is? That was half my point, you don't even know how a wardeccer fights, how would you know what is or is not a viable tactic for low SP players? The question was posed how they are supposed to fight back. I answered it, and it was a damned good answer what's more. Don't come in here and nitpick me, then tell me that the semantics aren't up for discussion. please enlighten us on how a nado cant be used for sitting on undocks popping frigs before they have a chance to breath? and let us know what ships and fits you use for wardeccing rookie corps
Nado miss frigs all the time, a Frigate moving out to align, the transversal will make the Nado miss. Also if you undock and a Wartarget is sitting outside in a Nado and you think it's a good idea to go ahead and go. You pretty much deserve to be popped.
If you want to pop somebody coming out of dock, you use a Legion or something of that ilk.
A Tornado is more useful hitting ships coming into to dock really. Psychotic Monk for CSM9
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
9183
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Posted - 2014.08.27 12:29:00 -
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Lan Wang wrote: please enlighten us on how a nado cant be used for sitting on undocks popping frigs before they have a chance to breath?
You... you do know how signature radius works on guns, right? Even a general idea?
Quote: and let us know what ships and fits you use for wardeccing rookie corps
Oh, that's easy. Most of the strong armor ships will do. For lower skillpoints, the Ishkur provides an excellent amount of tank, dps, and can speed tank almost any battleship guns.
For a bit higher up there in budget and skillpoints, many prefer the Legion, but my personal favorite is the Sacrilege. The Ashimmu is also a good choice. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
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Ether Wing
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2014.08.27 12:29:00 -
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Valkin Mordirc wrote:Ether Wing wrote:Valkin Mordirc wrote:You mean this wardec? https://zkillboard.com/war/378511/Firstly, If you cannot defend yourself, you do not deserve to be alive in the first place. Pretty much my own personal philosophy in EVE. Quote: Learn to properly fit your ship
Jesus christ, these guys are noobs. Give them a break. Why not be a little considerate when giving advice, instead of quoting the law of the jungle? Are you saying there was never a time when you didn't know what the **** you were doing with fitting your ships and being a general moron with the finer points of how to play the game? Go blow them up all you want, but please, at least realize that these guys are brand new to the game and could use some encouragement, instead of being **** talked to. Was I ever a noob? Yeah, but I had people to teach me. I joined a corp that could defend itself and me along with it. I read guides, and taught myself how to fit ships and how to do everything else. They should be doing the same thing. And I am teaching them, you failed to quote the Link to a proper fitted Algos. Interesting right? I showed them what they did wrong and gave them a good fit.
Yeah, good job on the link, but you missed my point entirely. Instead of encouraging these newbies, you're talking down on them, making them feel like losers who should've figured things out on their own. This is a vast game, which requires a lot of information to be disseminated for players to become competent, but it still is just a game. You can't expect a week old player to have studied it up like he was preparing for an exam. We should be making new players feel welcome, even if you're going out blowing them up, instead of lambasting them for "not doing their homework." |
Valkin Mordirc
129
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Posted - 2014.08.27 12:32:00 -
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Ether Wing wrote:
Yeah, good job on the link, but you missed my point entirely. Instead of encouraging these newbies, you're talking down on them, making them feel like losers who should've figured things out on their own. This is a vast game, which requires a lot of information to be disseminated for players to become competent, but it still is just a game. You can't expect a week old player to have studied it up like he was preparing for an exam. We should be making new players feel welcome, even if you're going out blowing them up, instead of lambasting them for "not doing their homework."
Information is a free as it is easily accessible. If they want to play a game without understanding it, It's not my problem, nor should I 'give them a break' when they want to complain about it, when they don't understand it in the first place. Psychotic Monk for CSM9
Scipio Artelius: I find your continued optimism for the outcome of the CSM vote endearing |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
9183
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Posted - 2014.08.27 12:34:00 -
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Ether Wing wrote:We should be making new players feel welcome, even if you're going out blowing them up, instead of lambasting them for "not doing their homework."
I would imagine a prerequisite for being made to feel welcome is a good attitude.
That being, NOT the kind that comes crying on the forums and calls your style of gameplay "griefing". That kind rightly gets free farmed. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
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Solecist Project
Mew Age Outpaws
8847
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Posted - 2014.08.27 12:34:00 -
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LOOK WHO'LL GET WARDECCED!!! :D YELLOW FOR SIBYYL! RAISE YOUR ARMS \o/ :D https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4953366#post4953366 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XsorUGTaq0
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Xuixien
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
1568
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Posted - 2014.08.27 12:37:00 -
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Ether Wing wrote:Valkin Mordirc wrote:Ether Wing wrote:Valkin Mordirc wrote:You mean this wardec? https://zkillboard.com/war/378511/Firstly, If you cannot defend yourself, you do not deserve to be alive in the first place. Pretty much my own personal philosophy in EVE. Quote: Learn to properly fit your ship
Jesus christ, these guys are noobs. Give them a break. Why not be a little considerate when giving advice, instead of quoting the law of the jungle? Are you saying there was never a time when you didn't know what the **** you were doing with fitting your ships and being a general moron with the finer points of how to play the game? Go blow them up all you want, but please, at least realize that these guys are brand new to the game and could use some encouragement, instead of being **** talked to. Was I ever a noob? Yeah, but I had people to teach me. I joined a corp that could defend itself and me along with it. I read guides, and taught myself how to fit ships and how to do everything else. They should be doing the same thing. And I am teaching them, you failed to quote the Link to a proper fitted Algos. Interesting right? I showed them what they did wrong and gave them a good fit. Yeah, good job on the link, but you missed my point entirely. Instead of encouraging these newbies, you're talking down on them, making them feel like losers who should've figured things out on their own. This is a vast game, which requires a lot of information to be disseminated for players to become competent, but it still is just a game. You can't expect a week old player to have studied it up like he was preparing for an exam. We should be making new players feel welcome, even if you're going out blowing them up, instead of lambasting them for "not doing their homework."
So then do something about it, because all you're doing is talking down to others.
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Lan Wang
Coreli Corporation Ineluctable.
76
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Posted - 2014.08.27 12:38:00 -
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you seem to be missing the point, 2 week old players dont know any of this stuff on how to avoid pro-wardeccers they too busy trying to leant the basics EVEALON Creative --áLogo Design | Killboard Banners | -áWeb Design | Website Graphics -á
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
9187
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Posted - 2014.08.27 12:39:00 -
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Lan Wang wrote:you seem to be missing the point, 2 week old players dont know any of this stuff on how to avoid pro-wardeccers they too busy trying to leant the basics
That'd be a bad time to be in a player corp full of the same, wouldn't it?
I mean, for goodness sakes, you actually think no one in the Help Channel would have told them this would have happened? That absolutely none of them knew it was a possibility?
You must be kidding me. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |
Xuixien
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
1568
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Posted - 2014.08.27 12:40:00 -
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Lan Wang wrote:you seem to be missing the point, 2 week old players dont know any of this stuff on how to avoid pro-wardeccers they too busy trying to leant the basics
So start your own training corp, then. Epic Space Cat |
Alastair Ormand
Running With Scissors. Apocalypse Now.
79
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Posted - 2014.08.27 12:42:00 -
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Drop corp and reform. Easy. Don't run with a stick in your mouth.
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Solecist Project
Mew Age Outpaws
8850
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Posted - 2014.08.27 12:42:00 -
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Facts of the matter are really simple:
1. You join a playercorp. 2. That playercorp doesn't teach you how to defend yourself. 3. Too bad, you shouldn't have joined a playercorp.
The issue isn't the wardeccers, but those assholes who think they can create playercorps and ruin the game for all the members by not teaching them the game properly.
You people need three pages of bullshit crap words, when this is seriously all the ground that is to it.
So ... let's infriltrate that corp and make sure it implodes and let's take all the noobs who are WILLING players with us.
Now feel free to keep talking senslessly about your stupid opinions about irrelevant bullshit ... ... while I'll take the corp!
You people are daft beyond belief. YELLOW FOR SIBYYL! RAISE YOUR ARMS \o/ :D https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4953366#post4953366 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XsorUGTaq0
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Valkin Mordirc
130
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Posted - 2014.08.27 12:42:00 -
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Lan Wang wrote:you seem to be missing the point, 2 week old players dont know any of this stuff on how to avoid pro-wardeccers they too busy trying to leant the basics
So, A bunch of newbies should be treated like special snowflakes?
Anyone in EVE can tell you making a corp when you havn't even passed trail phase, is utterly and tremendously stupid. If you think they need protected so much, let them join your corp. Psychotic Monk for CSM9
Scipio Artelius: I find your continued optimism for the outcome of the CSM vote endearing |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
9187
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Posted - 2014.08.27 12:43:00 -
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Xuixien wrote:Lan Wang wrote:you seem to be missing the point, 2 week old players dont know any of this stuff on how to avoid pro-wardeccers they too busy trying to leant the basics So start your own training corp, then.
In before "I can't be assed".
For goodness sakes I spent the time last night to explain to a newbie what a margin scam was, and last week I took some time explaining freighter webbing to some corpies.
Me. You will never find anyone more willing to support just about any and all forms of "griefing", and if I can help out newbies, surely someone whose heart aches as much as yours for their plight can help out. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |
Xuixien
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
1570
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Posted - 2014.08.27 12:46:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Xuixien wrote:Lan Wang wrote:you seem to be missing the point, 2 week old players dont know any of this stuff on how to avoid pro-wardeccers they too busy trying to leant the basics So start your own training corp, then. In before "I can't be assed". For goodness sakes I spent the time last night to explain to a newbie what a margin scam was, and last week I took some time explaining freighter webbing to some corpies. Me. You will never find anyone more willing to support just about any and all forms of "griefing", and if I can help out newbies, surely someone whose heart aches as much as yours for their plight can help out.
It's ironic how the "evil sociopath griefers" do more to advocate for newbies than the so-called newbie advocates themselves, isn't it? Epic Space Cat |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
6602
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Posted - 2014.08.27 12:47:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Xuixien wrote:Lan Wang wrote:you seem to be missing the point, 2 week old players dont know any of this stuff on how to avoid pro-wardeccers they too busy trying to leant the basics So start your own training corp, then. In before "I can't be assed". For goodness sakes I spent the time last night to explain to a newbie what a margin scam was, and last week I took some time explaining freighter webbing to some corpies. Me. You will never find anyone more willing to support just about any and all forms of "griefing", and if I can help out newbies, surely someone whose heart aches as much as yours for their plight can help out.
THE worst new players are the ones who you spend and hour explaining somethign to as they argue with you as to why it can possibly be like that and then when you are done they say "yeah well I will do it the other way anyway and see what happens"
They should be expunged "Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
9191
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Posted - 2014.08.27 12:50:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote: They should be expunged
I once got a guy to load up all of his possessions and then left him in a wormhole. Marooned, if you will.
While the ragemails were funny, when I finally decided to let him out a few hours later I found that the wormhole had collapsed, which was the real kicker. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
6602
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Posted - 2014.08.27 12:51:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Marooned, if you will.
KKKKHHHHAAAAAAANNNNNNNN!!
KKKHHHAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!! "Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
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