It's a fallacy WRT that it doesn't help stop a gank. I've already listed the reasons why.

DScan is pointless in Hi-sec. You know, that placer where the majority of ganking occurs. As Tippia already pointed out, without CONCORD it would be called ganking.

It's a fallacy WRT that it doesn't help stop a gank. I've already listed the reasons why.

Remember CCP Falcon, the level of protection that concord provides players is the same level of job protection you have when the high sec players decide to quit. Will you survive the next 20% layoff when it happens?

Tell that to all the people that use DScan to find potential targets, in highsec, all of the time.

It's only as useless as the person using it.

Yes it does. I looked back through your posts and could not find said list maybe you can enlighten us again or at least point to said list.

GUNS will not stop the ganking. Why people even think of guns? Even if you were in a fully armed cruiser. Youwould not kill the gankers before concord arrives.

You need to be SMART, MOVE safely, use scouts. Just that.

Tell that to all the people that use DScan to find potential targets, in highsec, all of the time.

It's only as useless as the person using it.

Were talking about the miner using it as protection against gankers. Try to keep up.

When it comes to a gank, the ganker already knows you're in belt. The moment they warp in, they are locking you as soon as the game lets them (takes time to come out of warp on grid).

So here is the list.

Keep your ships aligned so that the moment someone tries to lock you, you insta warp. Unfortunately you will eventually move out of range of the rocks so this isn't viable.

You can warp off the moment a potential ganker (just because someone warps in doesn't mean they are a ganker) warps in and hope to warp off before they finish falling out of warp. However, now the gankers don't even have to gank to stop you from mining. They just have to camp belts.

Moving for mining barges and exhumers is pointless. You will still have an alignment time before warping and you won't be able to speed tank their guns. I can see it working for a venture though.

DScan is pointless in Hi-sec. You know, that placer where the majority of ganking occurs. As Tippia already pointed out, without CONCORD it would be called ganking.

It's a fallacy WRT that it doesn't help stop a gank. I've already listed the reasons why.

Were talking about the miner using it as protection against gankers. Try to keep up.

Were talking about the miner using it as protection against gankers. Try to keep up.

Eh, no. I never said that.

if it wasn't such a deterrent, ganking wouldn't exist. Instead, it would be a wholesale, carefree, and unavoidable slaughter.

I know exactly what we're talking about TYVM, that doesn't change the fact that you stated "DScan is useless" without any qualifiers.

And you're still wrong, DScan has saved my arse more than once while I've been mining, used in conjunction with local and setting gankers to red it makes it relatively easy to notice when a group of gankers is inbound. Not being there when they roll up in the belt is a good way to not get ganked.

Then please explain how a miner using DScan will help protect them from gankers in hi-sec.

When it comes to a gank, the ganker already knows you're in belt. The moment they warp in, they are locking you as soon as the game lets them (takes time to come out of warp on grid).

So here is the list.

Keep your ships aligned so that the moment someone tries to lock you, you insta warp. Unfortunately you will eventually move out of range of the rocks so this isn't viable. In most systems there are multiple places to be aligned to. Align to point 1 until you reach the edge of your range, then realign to point 2, repeat ad infinitum

You can warp off the moment a potential ganker (just because someone warps in doesn't mean they are a ganker) warps in and hope to warp off before they finish falling out of warp. However, now the gankers don't even have to gank to stop you from mining. They just have to camp belts. If your alt (or friend) is also camping the belt in a hull with jamming bonuses the camping ganker will move on pretty fast

Moving for mining barges and exhumers is pointless. You will still have an alignment time before warping and you won't be able to speed tank their guns. I can see it working for a venture though. Align as per point one and this is no longer an issue

Your best option is to simply go with a tanky setup and hope that they won't bother to gank you if they have to lose more isk than what they will destroy. This falls apart if the ganker doesn't care about isk loss vs isk destroyed. Your tanks value is not based on the isk won vs lost relationship. It is based on the damaged able to absorbed before concord can land on grid and jam the ganker/s relationship

You can hire protection. Either hire someone to sit in belt with a pvp fit ship or hire mercs to war dec the gankers. Either one will probably cost you more than simply replacing a lost ship. At least if you get ganked you get insurance payout, salvage all the wrecks (yours and the gankers), and loot all the wrecks. If they pod you, you get a kill right and you can now gank them at any time without CONCORD involvement. Also, if the ganker is in an NPC corp, hiring a merc corp won't work. If it becomes known that you have a good working relationship with someone who is able to make ganking difficult, a ganking group will look for easier meat, think about the benefits of prevention of the ganking cycle rather then just protection of your hull

DScan is meaningless in hi-sec.I don't know where to begin here. D-Scan is a pretty impressive tool when you know how to use it correctly. Hint D-Scan and Overview are designed to work together.


So at what point is not being AFK suppose to protect you from being ganked?
Sure it helps. You are there to direct drones and possibly pop a few after losing a ship (key phrase, "after being ganked"). You could also get your other ships out while they focus on one. So not being AFK can certainly reduce the number of ships that get ganked (time permitting before CONCORD shows). Odds are, in tanked skiffs, you can be AFK and probably only lose one before CONCORD shows even in a .5 system. Being AFK anywhere while undocked removes any argument for defence.

You're not speed tanking their guns tracking, you're speed tanking their range. Blasters don't shoot far, mmkay?

[Mackinaw, Speed tank]

Mining Laser Upgrade II
Mining Laser Upgrade II
Micro Auxiliary Power Core II

Experimental 10MN Afterburner I
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
[Empty Med slot]
[Empty Med slot]

Modulated Strip Miner II
Modulated Strip Miner II

Medium Ancillary Current Router II
Medium Ancillary Current Router II


Alternatively, you can be aligned and nearly not moving (top speed is 17m/s, so set to 13m/s) if you have a friend in fleet with you.

[Mackinaw, Anti-Gank]

Mining Laser Upgrade II
Mining Laser Upgrade II
Mining Laser Upgrade II

'Langour' Drive Disruptor I
'Langour' Drive Disruptor I
'Langour' Drive Disruptor I
'Langour' Drive Disruptor I

Modulated Strip Miner II
Modulated Strip Miner II

Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I
Medium Ice Harvester Accelerator I



D-Scan gives you extra protection with both setups.

Blerg Blerg Blah effort blerg not 100% safety so why bother blah thinking blah effort blerg effort

Then please explain how a miner using DScan will help protect them from gankers in hi-sec.

Keep your ships aligned so that the moment someone tries to lock you, you insta warp. Unfortunately you will eventually move out of range of the rocks so this isn't viable.

You can warp off the moment a potential ganker (just because someone warps in doesn't mean they are a ganker) warps in and hope to warp off before they finish falling out of warp. However, now the gankers don't even have to gank to stop you from mining. They just have to camp belts.

Moving for mining barges and exhumers is pointless. You will still have an alignment time before warping and you won't be able to speed tank their guns.

Your best option is to simply go with a tanky setup and hope that they won't bother to gank you if they have to lose more isk than what they will destroy. This falls apart if the ganker doesn't care about isk loss vs isk destroyed.

You can hire protection. Either hire someone to sit in belt with a pvp fit ship or hire mercs to war dec the gankers. Either one will probably cost you more than simply replacing a lost ship. At least if you get ganked you get insurance payout, salvage all the wrecks (yours and the gankers), and loot all the wrecks. If they pod you, you get a kill right and you can now gank them at any time without CONCORD involvement. Also, if the ganker is in an NPC corp, hiring a merc corp won't work.

By alerting them to the impending presance of gank ships. Of course the miner must actually be at the keyboard.

I don't get it, I see you in this thread and others and anything to lloks like actually playing the game is something you rail against. Do you want CCP to play the game for you?

So here is the list.

Keep your ships aligned so that the moment someone tries to lock you, you insta warp. Unfortunately you will eventually move out of range of the rocks so this isn't viable.

You can warp off the moment a potential ganker (just because someone warps in doesn't mean they are a ganker) warps in and hope to warp off before they finish falling out of warp. However, now the gankers don't even have to gank to stop you from mining. They just have to camp belts.

DScan is meaningless in hi-sec.

So at what point is not being AFK suppose to protect you from being ganked?

There is no risk to gank in hi-sec. The ships they use are so cheap and easy to replace the whole risk thing has been circumvented.

Ship blows up, so what...just buy another.

Everyone knows your name, no probelm just buy another character.

The game is so saturated with isk that isk has removed the risk factor.

There is no risk to gank in hi-sec. The ships they use are so cheap and easy to replace the whole risk thing has been circumvented.

Ship blows up, so what...just buy another.

Everyone knows your name, no probelm just buy another character.

The game is so saturated with isk that isk has removed the risk factor.

If the game is so saturated with isk why mine? certainly not to make isk...

Miners are literally space bums.

I prefer the term "urban outdoorsman". Makes me sound active.

Have safe spots bookmarked so you can always stay in range on the rocks. It's not hard.

Gankers don't just sit in belts to stop you from mining. They want kill which they aren't going to get if they just sit around.

Pfft, haha, no.

Directional Scanner & being aligned is your friend.

And is a lie.